My relative of mine was buried in NYC between 1900-1912 at Bay Side
Cemetery, according to family letters.

I cannot find any listings for Bay Side. I tried looking in the NYC
directory of 1910 as well. Would anyone know where Bay Side is located in
New York City?

Robert Spoont
Boca Raton, FL

MODERATOR NOTE: You will probably find your answer in the JewishGen
infofile about cemeteries at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Cemeteries

My relative of mine was buried in NYC between 1900-1912 at Bay Side
Cemetery, according to family letters.

I cannot find any listings for Bay Side. I tried looking in the NYC
directory of 1910 as well. Would anyone know where Bay Side is located in
New York City?

Robert Spoont
Boca Raton, FL

MODERATOR NOTE: You will probably find your answer in the JewishGen
infofile about cemeteries at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Cemeteries

IMA f
Variant of IMMA


IMMA f German
Low German form of IRMA


IRMA f German, Hungarian, Spanish
Pronounced: UR-ma
Short form of names beginning with the Germanic element irmen, which
means "whole, universal". Also means God of war.

IRMA - Latin - Noble

Sincerely,

Lara Clark
Houston, Texas



mglow@... wrote:

IMA f
Variant of IMMA


IMMA f German
Low German form of IRMA


IRMA f German, Hungarian, Spanish
Pronounced: UR-ma
Short form of names beginning with the Germanic element irmen, which
means "whole, universal". Also means God of war.

IRMA - Latin - Noble

Sincerely,

Lara Clark
Houston, Texas



mglow@... wrote:

My grandfather came >from the Brest area of what is now Belarus around
1905. His name on the manifest was a variant of Israel. He was always
known as Isidor in the US. I hope this is some help.

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Searching SLATAS/ZLATIS/SLATIS, SANCTON/SANKTIN/SENKTIN,
SLONIMSKY/SLONIMSKI, PASSIN, WEINGER/WENGER--Belarus, Lithuania, Russia,
USA

My grandfather came >from the Brest area of what is now Belarus around
1905. His name on the manifest was a variant of Israel. He was always
known as Isidor in the US. I hope this is some help.

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SLONIMSKY/SLONIMSKI, PASSIN, WEINGER/WENGER--Belarus, Lithuania, Russia,
USA

As part of the presentation last night at this important annual
conference, JewishGen launched the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry database (JOWBR), a compilation of burial records, photographs
and information about the individual cemeteries. To help accumulate
data, JewishGen initiated an "adopt a cemetery" program to encourage
local genealogy societies, synagogue youth groups, Jewish federations,
and other interested parties worldwide to index cemetery or
landsmanschaft plot records for submission to the JOWBR project.=20

The JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry database is one of
the largest and most sophisticated efforts undertaken by JewishGen to
date. Jewish cemeteries throughout the world are threatened with
vandalism and even extinction. It is vitally important to preserve
information on existing Jewish cemeteries so future generations will
have the benefit of this aspect of cultural heritage.

The database features 643 cemeteries, 314,778 burial records, and
11,461 tombstone photographs representing cemeteries in 25 countries. In
the coming year, JewishGen intends to include information for an
additional 242 cemeteries, 150,461 burial records and 22,400 tombstone
images >from 36 cemeteries in Eastern Europe.

We expect to see the database grow quickly as those researching
their family history contribute information about the cemeteries of
their ancestral towns and also through our partnerships with cemetery
associations throughout the world to include the Jewish Cemetery
Association of Massachusetts, the Johannesburg Jewish Helping Hand &
Burial Society (Chevra Kadisha), and the Texas Jewish Historical Society
have already provided thousands of records.

The database is now live and located at the following URL:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jowbr

Susan

Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen Inc.

As part of the presentation last night at this important annual
conference, JewishGen launched the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry database (JOWBR), a compilation of burial records, photographs
and information about the individual cemeteries. To help accumulate
data, JewishGen initiated an "adopt a cemetery" program to encourage
local genealogy societies, synagogue youth groups, Jewish federations,
and other interested parties worldwide to index cemetery or
landsmanschaft plot records for submission to the JOWBR project.=20

The JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry database is one of
the largest and most sophisticated efforts undertaken by JewishGen to
date. Jewish cemeteries throughout the world are threatened with
vandalism and even extinction. It is vitally important to preserve
information on existing Jewish cemeteries so future generations will
have the benefit of this aspect of cultural heritage.

The database features 643 cemeteries, 314,778 burial records, and
11,461 tombstone photographs representing cemeteries in 25 countries. In
the coming year, JewishGen intends to include information for an
additional 242 cemeteries, 150,461 burial records and 22,400 tombstone
images >from 36 cemeteries in Eastern Europe.

We expect to see the database grow quickly as those researching
their family history contribute information about the cemeteries of
their ancestral towns and also through our partnerships with cemetery
associations throughout the world to include the Jewish Cemetery
Association of Massachusetts, the Johannesburg Jewish Helping Hand &
Burial Society (Chevra Kadisha), and the Texas Jewish Historical Society
have already provided thousands of records.

The database is now live and located at the following URL:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jowbr

Susan

Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen Inc.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:20:13 UTC, chaikin@... (Udi Cain)
opined:

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@... wrote:

=All very nice, but I know of no tradition that the Levites suddenly

organized themselves into a guild or anything else. Two Levi'im can not
even be called to the Torah in succession, and the only place I know
where two or more Levi'im (as Levi'im) could be found adjacant was when
washing the hands of the Kohanim before the latter mounted the Dukhan to
pronounce the threefold blessing. In the Rhineland, that would have
averaged between seven and eight times a year.

=I suppose that I was misunderstood in that one. I meant that just like
the union of Jewish tailors because of Jewish laws, the Levis' who took
the surname SEGAL, were branch of the Levies' who deliberately prepared

It is only slightly off-topic to note that, had more of the Levites
chosen to adopt the SEGAL surname, John Wayne would have appeared in
movie westerns wearing segals rather than levis.

themselves to serve in the future temple (not all the members of the
extended Levi tribe served in the temple or meant to serve in the future
temple).

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:20:13 UTC, chaikin@... (Udi Cain)
opined:

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@... wrote:

=All very nice, but I know of no tradition that the Levites suddenly

organized themselves into a guild or anything else. Two Levi'im can not
even be called to the Torah in succession, and the only place I know
where two or more Levi'im (as Levi'im) could be found adjacant was when
washing the hands of the Kohanim before the latter mounted the Dukhan to
pronounce the threefold blessing. In the Rhineland, that would have
averaged between seven and eight times a year.

=I suppose that I was misunderstood in that one. I meant that just like
the union of Jewish tailors because of Jewish laws, the Levis' who took
the surname SEGAL, were branch of the Levies' who deliberately prepared

It is only slightly off-topic to note that, had more of the Levites
chosen to adopt the SEGAL surname, John Wayne would have appeared in
movie westerns wearing segals rather than levis.

themselves to serve in the future temple (not all the members of the
extended Levi tribe served in the temple or meant to serve in the future
temple).

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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I suppose I just want confirmation of the fact that an ancestor with the

>>Hebrew name of Israel could be the same person as one with the given
>>name of Izidor.

Don't know about the rest of the world but in NYC it was an extremely
common secular name. As was Irving and Irwin. Since there are not a huge
amount of names beginning with I in English-speaking countries any name
that began with I was a good choice. Ira as well. And the nickname for
Isidore is Izzy. Issac/Yitzhok (sp) became Itchy or Yitzy. And while I am
on this bend, Ari, in my uncle's case became Acky because when my
grandmother yelled out the window for him to come in the throaty R in Ari
sounded like a K in the air currents of Brooklyn.



Anita Citron
anitac47@...
Hicksville, NY
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER(Odessa, St.Petersburg)
BENDERSKY (Ladyzhin/Odessa),ODESSKY(Lipovets/Odessa),
NEPOMNYATSHY(Voznesensk/Odessa)
TRACHTENBERG(Gritsev/Starykonstantinov/Odessa/Vienna/Belgium), FURMAN
(Pyatkovko/Odessa),
FINGERHUT/FINGERET (Ananyev/Voznesensk/Odessa), MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)

I suppose I just want confirmation of the fact that an ancestor with the

>>Hebrew name of Israel could be the same person as one with the given
>>name of Izidor.

Don't know about the rest of the world but in NYC it was an extremely
common secular name. As was Irving and Irwin. Since there are not a huge
amount of names beginning with I in English-speaking countries any name
that began with I was a good choice. Ira as well. And the nickname for
Isidore is Izzy. Issac/Yitzhok (sp) became Itchy or Yitzy. And while I am
on this bend, Ari, in my uncle's case became Acky because when my
grandmother yelled out the window for him to come in the throaty R in Ari
sounded like a K in the air currents of Brooklyn.



Anita Citron
anitac47@...
Hicksville, NY
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER(Odessa, St.Petersburg)
BENDERSKY (Ladyzhin/Odessa),ODESSKY(Lipovets/Odessa),
NEPOMNYATSHY(Voznesensk/Odessa)
TRACHTENBERG(Gritsev/Starykonstantinov/Odessa/Vienna/Belgium), FURMAN
(Pyatkovko/Odessa),
FINGERHUT/FINGERET (Ananyev/Voznesensk/Odessa), MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)

At 11:01 04-08-2003 -0400, Renee PAYNE wrote:

>>It is my understanding that there was only one concentration camp
liberated by the king of Sweden. Does anyone know which one that was?

Is it possible that the reference is to Count Bernadotte and
the Swedish Red Cross being invoved in the release of some women from
Ravensbruck?

You are probably right that Bernadotte and the King has been confused...
the Royal family also being of the Berndatotte-family!
So that solved the mystery! <G> The king did not liberate any concentration
camps.

Bernadotte didn't liberate any concentration camps either, but worked out
-- together with a number of other persons -- an agreement with the Germans
so that the Red Cross could fetch Scandinavian prisoners >from various
concentration camps and prisons and bring them to Sweden. Among them were
the Danish prisoners >from Theresienstadt.

475 Jews >from Denmark were deported to Theresienstadt (about 100 of them
were not Danish citizens but refugees >from other countries). A few died on
the way to Theresienstadt and shortly after the arrival there. Five
persons were "sent home" because the Danish authorities succeeded in
convincing the Germans that they had made some mistakes. 54 died of
starvation an disease in Theresienstadt.
And two children were born in Theresienstadt.
See also:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0010_DanishDeporteesto
Theresienstadt.htm


... it's a long (and very interesting!!!) story, but this short version
will have to suffice!

Best regards


Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Make sure to copy and paste the entire URL

At 11:01 04-08-2003 -0400, Renee PAYNE wrote:

>>It is my understanding that there was only one concentration camp
liberated by the king of Sweden. Does anyone know which one that was?

Is it possible that the reference is to Count Bernadotte and
the Swedish Red Cross being invoved in the release of some women from
Ravensbruck?

You are probably right that Bernadotte and the King has been confused...
the Royal family also being of the Berndatotte-family!
So that solved the mystery! <G> The king did not liberate any concentration
camps.

Bernadotte didn't liberate any concentration camps either, but worked out
-- together with a number of other persons -- an agreement with the Germans
so that the Red Cross could fetch Scandinavian prisoners >from various
concentration camps and prisons and bring them to Sweden. Among them were
the Danish prisoners >from Theresienstadt.

475 Jews >from Denmark were deported to Theresienstadt (about 100 of them
were not Danish citizens but refugees >from other countries). A few died on
the way to Theresienstadt and shortly after the arrival there. Five
persons were "sent home" because the Danish authorities succeeded in
convincing the Germans that they had made some mistakes. 54 died of
starvation an disease in Theresienstadt.
And two children were born in Theresienstadt.
See also:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0010_DanishDeporteesto
Theresienstadt.htm


... it's a long (and very interesting!!!) story, but this short version
will have to suffice!

Best regards


Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Make sure to copy and paste the entire URL

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:11:48 UTC, grantstoom@... (Grant Stoom)
opined:

I've had no problem getting copies of death certificates of family
members. But a situation has arisen where I may need a death certificate
for a person who is not a member of my family.

Can a reader of this list tell me whether death certs are also provided
to non-family members?

If so, what is the procedure for ordering one?

If you are in the United States, you know that this sort of thing is
not uniform throughout the country, but is a function of a state
agency, the name of which also varies >from state to state. You have
given no clue about the state in which the person died, so a resonsive
answer to your question is impossible.

Once you decide on the state that is of interest, you need to address
a letter to the appropriate agency, probably located in the state
capital, and ask for a description of the procuedure, the fees
required, and other relevant details.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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http://www.hashkedim.com

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will be deleted automatically, unread.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:11:48 UTC, grantstoom@... (Grant Stoom)
opined:

I've had no problem getting copies of death certificates of family
members. But a situation has arisen where I may need a death certificate
for a person who is not a member of my family.

Can a reader of this list tell me whether death certs are also provided
to non-family members?

If so, what is the procedure for ordering one?

If you are in the United States, you know that this sort of thing is
not uniform throughout the country, but is a function of a state
agency, the name of which also varies >from state to state. You have
given no clue about the state in which the person died, so a resonsive
answer to your question is impossible.

Once you decide on the state that is of interest, you need to address
a letter to the appropriate agency, probably located in the state
capital, and ask for a description of the procuedure, the fees
required, and other relevant details.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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http://www.hashkedim.com

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will be deleted automatically, unread.

Kobrin District Researchers:

This is to announce the organization of a research group for the Kobrin
District (uezd) of Grodno province. The purpose of the research group
will to carry out a variety of research projects, including multi-name,
multi-town research with a private researcher in Belarus, as discussed
during the recent Washington Conference. If you are interested in
participating in such a group, please contact me at <mpoz@...>.

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota
e-mail: mpoz@...

Kobrin District Researchers:

This is to announce the organization of a research group for the Kobrin
District (uezd) of Grodno province. The purpose of the research group
will to carry out a variety of research projects, including multi-name,
multi-town research with a private researcher in Belarus, as discussed
during the recent Washington Conference. If you are interested in
participating in such a group, please contact me at <mpoz@...>.

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota
e-mail: mpoz@...

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:35:14 UTC, dhalber@... (Dixie Halber)
opined:

Genners,
I am trying to locate the town that my husband's greatgrandfather,
Yankiel (Jacob) Rechter, is from. Here's the information we have,
perhaps someone can help us unravel the mystery.

He arrived at the port of Philadelphia in 1910. The manifest listed his
city of birth as Szranetz Russia and last residence as Valetchish. He
listed his father as the relative in Russia in the town of Moloczok
(possibly, it was hard to make out on the manifest and I neglected to
copy it). On his naturalization papers (which I do have a copy of) also
list the cities as Szranetz and Valetchish.

On the 1920 Philadelphia census he is listed as being >from Russia. In
the 1930 census, it says he is >from Poland. Presumably this is because
the area he was >from was then under the ruling of Poland.

Given that there is good reason for placing his origin in what later
became Poland, I offer the suggestion that "Moloczok" (which you say
is written illegibly in the passenger manifest) may well be Mokotov,
which is now a suburb of Warsaw (it's where the airport is, has lots
of parks, and wa probably always a good place to grow up). None of the
other names ring a bell, but others may have better suggestions.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

Please remove the CAPITAL LETTERS >from my address in order to send me
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:35:14 UTC, dhalber@... (Dixie Halber)
opined:

Genners,
I am trying to locate the town that my husband's greatgrandfather,
Yankiel (Jacob) Rechter, is from. Here's the information we have,
perhaps someone can help us unravel the mystery.

He arrived at the port of Philadelphia in 1910. The manifest listed his
city of birth as Szranetz Russia and last residence as Valetchish. He
listed his father as the relative in Russia in the town of Moloczok
(possibly, it was hard to make out on the manifest and I neglected to
copy it). On his naturalization papers (which I do have a copy of) also
list the cities as Szranetz and Valetchish.

On the 1920 Philadelphia census he is listed as being >from Russia. In
the 1930 census, it says he is >from Poland. Presumably this is because
the area he was >from was then under the ruling of Poland.

Given that there is good reason for placing his origin in what later
became Poland, I offer the suggestion that "Moloczok" (which you say
is written illegibly in the passenger manifest) may well be Mokotov,
which is now a suburb of Warsaw (it's where the airport is, has lots
of parks, and wa probably always a good place to grow up). None of the
other names ring a bell, but others may have better suggestions.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

Please remove the CAPITAL LETTERS >from my address in order to send me
email, and include "JEWISHGEN" in the subject line, else your message
will be deleted automatically, unread.