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SHECTIN family or bakery from Kelme #general

Tybi <tybi@...>
 

I am looking for information regarding the Shectin bakery or the SHECTIN
family >from Kelme. I found a reference to the bakery in "The Life of the
Jewish Community of Kelme and its tragic End."

I am curious to see if they tie into my father's family. My father told
me that his grandfather, Chaim Hirsch, was a baker and that his
great-grandfather was a schochet in Kelme. His father, Tuviah, arrived
from Kelme to South Africa in the early 1900's (I'm guessing...) and his
family name was written down as Soggot by the immigration people. As far
as we know, the rest of the family perished in the Holocaust and my
grandfather was the only survivor.

I am very curious to find out more information about the family.

Many thanks,

Tybi Kapiloff


San Diego, San Diego County, California researcher needed #general

David Priever
 

Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,

Shana Tovah!!

I need someone who can look up a probate record for a person who died in
San Diego in 2000.

As usual, my offer is to either pay or do New York research in return.

Sincerely,

David Priever
brooklyn1960@hotmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SHECTIN family or bakery from Kelme #general

Tybi <tybi@...>
 

I am looking for information regarding the Shectin bakery or the SHECTIN
family >from Kelme. I found a reference to the bakery in "The Life of the
Jewish Community of Kelme and its tragic End."

I am curious to see if they tie into my father's family. My father told
me that his grandfather, Chaim Hirsch, was a baker and that his
great-grandfather was a schochet in Kelme. His father, Tuviah, arrived
from Kelme to South Africa in the early 1900's (I'm guessing...) and his
family name was written down as Soggot by the immigration people. As far
as we know, the rest of the family perished in the Holocaust and my
grandfather was the only survivor.

I am very curious to find out more information about the family.

Many thanks,

Tybi Kapiloff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen San Diego, San Diego County, California researcher needed #general

David Priever
 

Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,

Shana Tovah!!

I need someone who can look up a probate record for a person who died in
San Diego in 2000.

As usual, my offer is to either pay or do New York research in return.

Sincerely,

David Priever
brooklyn1960@hotmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Re: London phone help #general

Kevin Bean <Kevin@...>
 

If you are calling >from the US then dial 011 20 7679 7373

Kevin Bean


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: London phone help #general

Kevin Bean <Kevin@...>
 

If you are calling >from the US then dial 011 20 7679 7373

Kevin Bean


Clandestine Immigration to Israel, May-June 1948 #general

Jerry Schneider <jerry.schneider@...>
 

Genners ...

I am trying to document one of our family stories regarding a holocaust
survivor's immigration to Israel in the months prior to its Independence
from Britain.
I am looking for the name of one of the "clandestine immigration" ships
that brought people >from Europe to Israel in the months prior to its
Independence.

In particular, I am looking for a ship whose name sounds something like
"Nachshon Kaftelle". It left >from France sometime in May 1948 with 560+
emigres heading for Haifa. The ship was intercepted outside Haifa by
British forces and its passengers were sent to internment camps in Cyprus.

Soon thereafter, the British allowed the children and seniors >from the
ship to go to Israel. I believe this was in mid-May 1948. They then
arrived in Israel sometime abt 7 June 1948.

My great-grand uncle was one of these children.

I am looking for the ship and especially a passenger list. Any other
information about this journey, where I might look for additional
information, or offices or organizations that should be contacted would
also be greatly appreciated.

Please respond privately to

jerry.schneider@verizon.net

Thank you.

- jerry


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Clandestine Immigration to Israel, May-June 1948 #general

Jerry Schneider <jerry.schneider@...>
 

Genners ...

I am trying to document one of our family stories regarding a holocaust
survivor's immigration to Israel in the months prior to its Independence
from Britain.
I am looking for the name of one of the "clandestine immigration" ships
that brought people >from Europe to Israel in the months prior to its
Independence.

In particular, I am looking for a ship whose name sounds something like
"Nachshon Kaftelle". It left >from France sometime in May 1948 with 560+
emigres heading for Haifa. The ship was intercepted outside Haifa by
British forces and its passengers were sent to internment camps in Cyprus.

Soon thereafter, the British allowed the children and seniors >from the
ship to go to Israel. I believe this was in mid-May 1948. They then
arrived in Israel sometime abt 7 June 1948.

My great-grand uncle was one of these children.

I am looking for the ship and especially a passenger list. Any other
information about this journey, where I might look for additional
information, or offices or organizations that should be contacted would
also be greatly appreciated.

Please respond privately to

jerry.schneider@verizon.net

Thank you.

- jerry


Re: Unmarried Son as Head of Household #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

S. Harris <jewishgen@juno.com> wrote:

Any idea the parents (ages 46 and 42) would be living with the youngest
of their five children (age 16) in a home headed by their oldest
unmarried son (age 25) in 1910? The father was employed as a shoemaker,
the adult son as a pool room clerk.
Is it a census return that says the son was "head of household"?
It might be a mistake to attribute too much significance to this.
I don't know what was the official definition of "head of household"
in 1910, and it's possible that the census taker and/or those being
interviewed didn't either, or didn't apply the definition properly. It
could just be that the census taker happened to interview the son, and so
everything was described >from his point of view.

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


New York- Subway Conductors #general

RENEEP8546@...
 

Dear Genners,
I have recently found out that my great-uncle was a conductor
on the New York Subway Lines. Does anyone know if there are resources
to find out more about the employees?
Thank you,
Renee PAYNE

Searching BENHAIM, SERFATY Marrakech, MOROCCO
JACOBS/JACOBOWITZ SANOK
WEISZ Braddock, Pa., UNGVAR?UZHGOROD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unmarried Son as Head of Household #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

S. Harris <jewishgen@juno.com> wrote:

Any idea the parents (ages 46 and 42) would be living with the youngest
of their five children (age 16) in a home headed by their oldest
unmarried son (age 25) in 1910? The father was employed as a shoemaker,
the adult son as a pool room clerk.
Is it a census return that says the son was "head of household"?
It might be a mistake to attribute too much significance to this.
I don't know what was the official definition of "head of household"
in 1910, and it's possible that the census taker and/or those being
interviewed didn't either, or didn't apply the definition properly. It
could just be that the census taker happened to interview the son, and so
everything was described >from his point of view.

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New York- Subway Conductors #general

RENEEP8546@...
 

Dear Genners,
I have recently found out that my great-uncle was a conductor
on the New York Subway Lines. Does anyone know if there are resources
to find out more about the employees?
Thank you,
Renee PAYNE

Searching BENHAIM, SERFATY Marrakech, MOROCCO
JACOBS/JACOBOWITZ SANOK
WEISZ Braddock, Pa., UNGVAR?UZHGOROD


Hanky panky (maybe rape) in Jerusalem? #dna

howard sachs <hfsachs@...>
 

Mr. Jacob Goldstein's theory is possibly true, but we
are all engaged in rank speculation. As to his
problem with the 1000 year date, I think that is a
journalistic simplification. The original article in
the American Journal of Human Genetics (released on
September 17) deals with "an inferred common ancestor
within the past 2,000 years." Since dating is derived
for mathematics and mutation rates, as I understand
it, the common ancestor could easily have lived
several hundred years before the year 1003. So the
date may coincide with the Golden Age of Jewish
Khazaria. If the ancestry results >from improper
sexual relations in Jerusalem with the wife of a
Levite, I would guess the descendants might account
for a very small proportion of current Askenazi Levite
claimants but 50% is astounding, and suggests
something more notable, resonating for a millenium for
the descendants asserting Levite descent. And the
Jerusalem theory would not explain why Northern Europe
is almost exclusively where the descendants appeared.
I do agree this will take a lot of searching for
explanations.

Howard Sachs


Re: dna digest: September 29, 2003 #dna

James L. Baker <n6wrv@...>
 

At 8:44 PM -0400 9/30/03, sealover2@juno.com wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Howard,

You write: "Page 2 of Saturday's New York Times...."

Would you please provide the specific date as well as
the specific section of New York Times?

Thank you.
Jean Boutcher
-----------
Jean:
The text of the New York Times article is posted at the Family DNA
home page. The scientific paper behind the NYT article is also posted
at Family Tree DNA.
James

Family Tree DNA
http://www.familytreedna.com

Scientific papers in pdf format at Family Tree DNA
http://www.familytreedna.com/library.html#latestpaper

Multiple origins of Ashkenazi Levites: Y Chromosome Evidence for Both
Near Eastern and European Ancestries.
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Levite%20paper.pdf


DNA Research #DNA Hanky panky (maybe rape) in Jerusalem? #dna

howard sachs <hfsachs@...>
 

Mr. Jacob Goldstein's theory is possibly true, but we
are all engaged in rank speculation. As to his
problem with the 1000 year date, I think that is a
journalistic simplification. The original article in
the American Journal of Human Genetics (released on
September 17) deals with "an inferred common ancestor
within the past 2,000 years." Since dating is derived
for mathematics and mutation rates, as I understand
it, the common ancestor could easily have lived
several hundred years before the year 1003. So the
date may coincide with the Golden Age of Jewish
Khazaria. If the ancestry results >from improper
sexual relations in Jerusalem with the wife of a
Levite, I would guess the descendants might account
for a very small proportion of current Askenazi Levite
claimants but 50% is astounding, and suggests
something more notable, resonating for a millenium for
the descendants asserting Levite descent. And the
Jerusalem theory would not explain why Northern Europe
is almost exclusively where the descendants appeared.
I do agree this will take a lot of searching for
explanations.

Howard Sachs


DNA Research #DNA Re: dna digest: September 29, 2003 #dna

James L. Baker <n6wrv@...>
 

At 8:44 PM -0400 9/30/03, sealover2@juno.com wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Howard,

You write: "Page 2 of Saturday's New York Times...."

Would you please provide the specific date as well as
the specific section of New York Times?

Thank you.
Jean Boutcher
-----------
Jean:
The text of the New York Times article is posted at the Family DNA
home page. The scientific paper behind the NYT article is also posted
at Family Tree DNA.
James

Family Tree DNA
http://www.familytreedna.com

Scientific papers in pdf format at Family Tree DNA
http://www.familytreedna.com/library.html#latestpaper

Multiple origins of Ashkenazi Levites: Y Chromosome Evidence for Both
Near Eastern and European Ancestries.
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Levite%20paper.pdf


Genetic Y chromosome testing for Jewish genealogy #dna

Yisrael Asper <yisraelasper@...>
 

On RavSig was posted by Jacob D. Goldstein:"RavSig members may be very
interested on the results of a genetic study on Levi'im recently reported.
The New York Times edition of
2003.09.27 carried an article by Nicholas Wade summarizing the
results of the study and speculating on the origin of the observed
DNA patterns. During the next month, the article may be freely
accessed on the web at

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/27/science/27GENE.html

(You may have to sign up as a member before you can gain access to
it, however.)"
On the bottom of the webpage their is reference to a
New York Times Article >from May 9, 2000 called " Y Chromosome
Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora" by Nicholas Wade
(http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/genetics.htm).
Kohanim and Leviyim have nothing to fear by the articles mentioning
about the male Y chromosome passing unchanged through the ages
from father to son as it it points out that occasional mutations do
occur (not surprising). Nevertheless since on average people do not
differ >from how their bodies are supposed to look (inside in this
case) it can be used as an excellent genealogy population history
study tool. Their is an interesting case in South Africa with a people
called the Lembas who have claimed Jewish ancestry. It has been
shown that they are indeed of mostly Jewish origin. But of course their
is no such thing as a genetic test to declare you a Jew, a Levi, or a
Kohen. If there were so many gentiles walking the earth today could
be declared Jews. But as a population tool it's wonderful and
exciting and proving so much of Jewish tradition.
Gmar Chatima Tova
Yisrael Asper


DNA Research #DNA Genetic Y chromosome testing for Jewish genealogy #dna

Yisrael Asper <yisraelasper@...>
 

On RavSig was posted by Jacob D. Goldstein:"RavSig members may be very
interested on the results of a genetic study on Levi'im recently reported.
The New York Times edition of
2003.09.27 carried an article by Nicholas Wade summarizing the
results of the study and speculating on the origin of the observed
DNA patterns. During the next month, the article may be freely
accessed on the web at

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/27/science/27GENE.html

(You may have to sign up as a member before you can gain access to
it, however.)"
On the bottom of the webpage their is reference to a
New York Times Article >from May 9, 2000 called " Y Chromosome
Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora" by Nicholas Wade
(http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/genetics.htm).
Kohanim and Leviyim have nothing to fear by the articles mentioning
about the male Y chromosome passing unchanged through the ages
from father to son as it it points out that occasional mutations do
occur (not surprising). Nevertheless since on average people do not
differ >from how their bodies are supposed to look (inside in this
case) it can be used as an excellent genealogy population history
study tool. Their is an interesting case in South Africa with a people
called the Lembas who have claimed Jewish ancestry. It has been
shown that they are indeed of mostly Jewish origin. But of course their
is no such thing as a genetic test to declare you a Jew, a Levi, or a
Kohen. If there were so many gentiles walking the earth today could
be declared Jews. But as a population tool it's wonderful and
exciting and proving so much of Jewish tradition.
Gmar Chatima Tova
Yisrael Asper


Seek OSHEROFF, SOSNITZER, LITVIN Researcher #rabbinic

Scott Rosenberg <sdavidr@...>
 

Hi all. Some time ago I unsuccessfully tried to locate the following
researcher >from the JewishGen Bobroisk researchers list:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bobruisk/bigdir.html

JGFF Reseacher #62712
Searching: OSHEROFF, SOSNITZER, LITVIN

The contact information was through JewishGen, and therefore no
e-mail address was listed. I got an initial e-mail or two from
JewishGen, but I don't seem to have ever received contact
information or closure. Can any of you help me locate this
person?

I'm sure that the researcher is a distant cousin, probably descended
from my great-grandmother's sister or her older brother, Rabbi
Shimon SOSNITZER of Brody and later Stryy, Ukraine. My branch of the
family lost contact with these branches almost 70 years ago, when my
great-grandmother passed away. The name SOSNITZER comes >from my
great-grandmother's father the Sosnitzer Illui, Rabbi Chaim Yehuda
Leib LITVIN, who was born in Bobruisk and moved at a young age to
Sosnitza (and >from there to Lubavitch, Brody and Smorgon). Hence,
the Sosnitza or Sosnitzer Illui, and then the highly unusual family
name SOSNITZER.

Thank You and Gemar Chatima Tova,
Scott Rosenberg

Searching: SOSNITZER, LITVIN/LITWIN (all spellings), LEVITAN (all
spellings), Bobroisk and Smorgon, Belarus; GLICKMAN/GLECKMAN (or
other spellings) Vitebsk, Smorgon and Minsk, Belarus; and Minnesota,
Seattle, Washington and Chicago, Illinois, USA; and Argentina.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Seek OSHEROFF, SOSNITZER, LITVIN Researcher #rabbinic

Scott Rosenberg <sdavidr@...>
 

Hi all. Some time ago I unsuccessfully tried to locate the following
researcher >from the JewishGen Bobroisk researchers list:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bobruisk/bigdir.html

JGFF Reseacher #62712
Searching: OSHEROFF, SOSNITZER, LITVIN

The contact information was through JewishGen, and therefore no
e-mail address was listed. I got an initial e-mail or two from
JewishGen, but I don't seem to have ever received contact
information or closure. Can any of you help me locate this
person?

I'm sure that the researcher is a distant cousin, probably descended
from my great-grandmother's sister or her older brother, Rabbi
Shimon SOSNITZER of Brody and later Stryy, Ukraine. My branch of the
family lost contact with these branches almost 70 years ago, when my
great-grandmother passed away. The name SOSNITZER comes >from my
great-grandmother's father the Sosnitzer Illui, Rabbi Chaim Yehuda
Leib LITVIN, who was born in Bobruisk and moved at a young age to
Sosnitza (and >from there to Lubavitch, Brody and Smorgon). Hence,
the Sosnitza or Sosnitzer Illui, and then the highly unusual family
name SOSNITZER.

Thank You and Gemar Chatima Tova,
Scott Rosenberg

Searching: SOSNITZER, LITVIN/LITWIN (all spellings), LEVITAN (all
spellings), Bobroisk and Smorgon, Belarus; GLICKMAN/GLECKMAN (or
other spellings) Vitebsk, Smorgon and Minsk, Belarus; and Minnesota,
Seattle, Washington and Chicago, Illinois, USA; and Argentina.