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Apollo Warsaw #general

Daniel Vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Thanks to the genner interessed by the cinema apollo in Warsaw to resend to
me what is the problem. I have worked on his picture and of some other from
Marszalkowska. I would prefer a adress where we can send pictures.

Daniel VANGHELUWE
France
vangheluwe-smietan@wanadoo.fr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Apollo Warsaw #general

Daniel Vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Thanks to the genner interessed by the cinema apollo in Warsaw to resend to
me what is the problem. I have worked on his picture and of some other from
Marszalkowska. I would prefer a adress where we can send pictures.

Daniel VANGHELUWE
France
vangheluwe-smietan@wanadoo.fr


Re: Was She Jewish? #general

Carol W. Skydell <cwskydell@...>
 

Howard Silverman writes:
>I'm very new to this. I'm trying to find out if a Great Grandparent of
>someone was Jewish. I've so far confirmed that Salt Lake City has her on
>their records:

Your question is not unreasonable, although not answerable >from the
information provided. It is however an opportunity to explain to you and
to those who have little experience with what the database of the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints represents, what you have found,
what it means, and how you might want to proceed. So while we have no way
of knowing if Anna Marie ERDMANN was Jewish, what we do know is that she
and her husband are both listed in the Ordinance records of the LDS Church
as Mormon.

The record you found is part of the International Genealogical Index (IGI)
probably the largest database of genealogical information in the world.
It is also the Mormon record of people who have been the recipients of
"temple work"... Temple work means either posthumous baptism, endowment
into the Mormon priesthood, sealing to the church, sealing to the spouse.
These terms are clarified by the church at their web site
< www.familysearch.org > in the Glossary, easily found in the upper right
hand corner of their home screen.

The record for Anna Marie Erdmann is contained in Batch number: 7713301,
(a file of 8 people who have all been submitted by a patron of the LDS
church for some sort of temple ordination work....usually posthumous
baptism or as the Church prefers to have it known as "proxy" baptism.)

The sheet number (Sheet: 10) on FHL microfilm #1059179 may give you more
information on who submitted the 8 people listed in the batch. Microfilm
#1059179, which you will find >from the Film/Fiche section of the Family
History Library Catalogue (FHLC), is described as being one of 5050
microfilm reels containing "the individual entry forms and family group
sheets used to submit names to the temples for temple work". It is also
identified as "Patron Sheets 1969-1991". For records submitted after
1991, it is not possible to find the name of the person who submitted
individuals for temple work, so you may want to consider ordering that
microfilm to find who submitted the name. Frankly, I do not believe it
was a family member because of the format for the date of birth listed
in the record. It looks like the way dates were entered into some kind
of vital record. If the name was being submitted for posthumous baptism
by a family member, they might have used the preferred birth year of 1864.
It was not uncommon for women to shave a year or more off their actual
birth date and that would be the date known to most family members.

Looking at some of the other information you provide is also enlightening...

4. At the age of 19 she moved to Sebewaing, Michigan and
eventually married a French Huguenot in 1888 by the name of
John Jeffrey Frederick Auch.
Going back to the LDS site at < www.familysearch.org >, selecting
SEARCH >from the tabs along the top and then selecting the International
Genealogical Index and the database you want to search, you can check
this out yourself.

Enter the full name know it, select marriage as the type of record and
1888 as the year, North America as the region, United States as the
country and Michigan as the state....and voila!....two listings....
both for John J. F. Auch, 1888 marriage in Michigan.

Clicking on the first listing takes you to the Individual Record and
we find that his spouse was Anna M. Erdmann. The most interesting
information comes >from the Message line and the Source as follows:

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source
records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: M518442
Source Call No.: 0981979

The fact that this is clearly identified as an extracted record tells you
the basis for the information was copied >from the vital records for Huron,
Michigan and not >from family information.

Extracted records are the work of the Mormon missionaries who copy vital
records and submit the names for posthumous baptism. The missionaries or
submitters have no familial relationship to the persons they submit for
temple ordinances, as opposed to church patrons whose religious obligation
is to submit the names of their ancestors if they were not Mormons to
start with.

Apparently all the information for this couple was garnered >from public
records sources, and not >from intimate family information.

The records used for the groom were the Male Marriage records 1867-1925;
marriage index 1867-1975. Batch #M518442 contains 4,871 records of men
who married in Huron Michigan and are now listed as Mormons in their
password-protected Ordinance records.

Every name you find in the IGI has been through some sort of Mormon
Temple Ordination.... The IGI is an index to the full record contained
in a password-protected Church database of people posthumously baptized
as Mormon. You will have no access to the Ordinance records.

5. Researching further back... Anna Erdmann's parent's names were
Franz (Frank) and Rosela (Eisbrenner) Erdmann. Rosela's name was
also spelled Rosalia in another document. I do not know why
"Eisbrenner" is in parenthases.
Eisbrenner is in parenthesis probably because it is her maiden name and
whoever provided that information wanted that known.

6. Rosela's parent's names were Andres Aisbaumen and Rosalie Shmarmzke.
Except for Franz ERDMANN, a relatively common name, none of the names in
5. and 6. were found in the IGI. There were far too many listings for a
Franz Erdmann to research for the purpose of this clarification and
response to Howard's questions.

I trust this meets the Moderator's request and will qualify for posting.

Anyone interested in a step by step guide to searching the IGI is welcome
to contact me privately.

Carol Skydell,
Chilmark MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Was She Jewish? #general

Carol W. Skydell <cwskydell@...>
 

Howard Silverman writes:
>I'm very new to this. I'm trying to find out if a Great Grandparent of
>someone was Jewish. I've so far confirmed that Salt Lake City has her on
>their records:

Your question is not unreasonable, although not answerable >from the
information provided. It is however an opportunity to explain to you and
to those who have little experience with what the database of the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints represents, what you have found,
what it means, and how you might want to proceed. So while we have no way
of knowing if Anna Marie ERDMANN was Jewish, what we do know is that she
and her husband are both listed in the Ordinance records of the LDS Church
as Mormon.

The record you found is part of the International Genealogical Index (IGI)
probably the largest database of genealogical information in the world.
It is also the Mormon record of people who have been the recipients of
"temple work"... Temple work means either posthumous baptism, endowment
into the Mormon priesthood, sealing to the church, sealing to the spouse.
These terms are clarified by the church at their web site
< www.familysearch.org > in the Glossary, easily found in the upper right
hand corner of their home screen.

The record for Anna Marie Erdmann is contained in Batch number: 7713301,
(a file of 8 people who have all been submitted by a patron of the LDS
church for some sort of temple ordination work....usually posthumous
baptism or as the Church prefers to have it known as "proxy" baptism.)

The sheet number (Sheet: 10) on FHL microfilm #1059179 may give you more
information on who submitted the 8 people listed in the batch. Microfilm
#1059179, which you will find >from the Film/Fiche section of the Family
History Library Catalogue (FHLC), is described as being one of 5050
microfilm reels containing "the individual entry forms and family group
sheets used to submit names to the temples for temple work". It is also
identified as "Patron Sheets 1969-1991". For records submitted after
1991, it is not possible to find the name of the person who submitted
individuals for temple work, so you may want to consider ordering that
microfilm to find who submitted the name. Frankly, I do not believe it
was a family member because of the format for the date of birth listed
in the record. It looks like the way dates were entered into some kind
of vital record. If the name was being submitted for posthumous baptism
by a family member, they might have used the preferred birth year of 1864.
It was not uncommon for women to shave a year or more off their actual
birth date and that would be the date known to most family members.

Looking at some of the other information you provide is also enlightening...

4. At the age of 19 she moved to Sebewaing, Michigan and
eventually married a French Huguenot in 1888 by the name of
John Jeffrey Frederick Auch.
Going back to the LDS site at < www.familysearch.org >, selecting
SEARCH >from the tabs along the top and then selecting the International
Genealogical Index and the database you want to search, you can check
this out yourself.

Enter the full name know it, select marriage as the type of record and
1888 as the year, North America as the region, United States as the
country and Michigan as the state....and voila!....two listings....
both for John J. F. Auch, 1888 marriage in Michigan.

Clicking on the first listing takes you to the Individual Record and
we find that his spouse was Anna M. Erdmann. The most interesting
information comes >from the Message line and the Source as follows:

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source
records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: M518442
Source Call No.: 0981979

The fact that this is clearly identified as an extracted record tells you
the basis for the information was copied >from the vital records for Huron,
Michigan and not >from family information.

Extracted records are the work of the Mormon missionaries who copy vital
records and submit the names for posthumous baptism. The missionaries or
submitters have no familial relationship to the persons they submit for
temple ordinances, as opposed to church patrons whose religious obligation
is to submit the names of their ancestors if they were not Mormons to
start with.

Apparently all the information for this couple was garnered >from public
records sources, and not >from intimate family information.

The records used for the groom were the Male Marriage records 1867-1925;
marriage index 1867-1975. Batch #M518442 contains 4,871 records of men
who married in Huron Michigan and are now listed as Mormons in their
password-protected Ordinance records.

Every name you find in the IGI has been through some sort of Mormon
Temple Ordination.... The IGI is an index to the full record contained
in a password-protected Church database of people posthumously baptized
as Mormon. You will have no access to the Ordinance records.

5. Researching further back... Anna Erdmann's parent's names were
Franz (Frank) and Rosela (Eisbrenner) Erdmann. Rosela's name was
also spelled Rosalia in another document. I do not know why
"Eisbrenner" is in parenthases.
Eisbrenner is in parenthesis probably because it is her maiden name and
whoever provided that information wanted that known.

6. Rosela's parent's names were Andres Aisbaumen and Rosalie Shmarmzke.
Except for Franz ERDMANN, a relatively common name, none of the names in
5. and 6. were found in the IGI. There were far too many listings for a
Franz Erdmann to research for the purpose of this clarification and
response to Howard's questions.

I trust this meets the Moderator's request and will qualify for posting.

Anyone interested in a step by step guide to searching the IGI is welcome
to contact me privately.

Carol Skydell,
Chilmark MA


Adolf ARNHOLZ and diamonds (South Africa) #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

According to Saron and Hotz in the book they edited,
published in 1955 about the Jews of South Africa,
there was an Adolf ARNHOLZ who founded the "famous
Inland Transport Company". He lived in Ceres, South
Africa where he was a storekeeper.

On my mother's family tree, there is an Adolf
ARNHOLZ(1841, Germany - 1923,london). He married Mary
LEVISON in Ceres,SA in 1866 and they had four
children. He was a son of Tzvi ARNHOLZ.

Is this the same Adolf ARNHOLZ as the person who
started the Inland transport company?

Can anyone tell me more about the ARNHOLZ family in
Germany? That is, about this family in the late 18th
and early 19th centuries. Thanks in advance from

Adam Yamey, london, UK adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk


German SIG #Germany Adolf ARNHOLZ and diamonds (South Africa) #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

According to Saron and Hotz in the book they edited,
published in 1955 about the Jews of South Africa,
there was an Adolf ARNHOLZ who founded the "famous
Inland Transport Company". He lived in Ceres, South
Africa where he was a storekeeper.

On my mother's family tree, there is an Adolf
ARNHOLZ(1841, Germany - 1923,london). He married Mary
LEVISON in Ceres,SA in 1866 and they had four
children. He was a son of Tzvi ARNHOLZ.

Is this the same Adolf ARNHOLZ as the person who
started the Inland transport company?

Can anyone tell me more about the ARNHOLZ family in
Germany? That is, about this family in the late 18th
and early 19th centuries. Thanks in advance from

Adam Yamey, london, UK adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk


Mailing address of Jewish Historical Institute Warsaw #general

ilona lerman <phililona2001@...>
 

I am looking for the mailing address of the Jewish
Historical Institute in Warsaw, Poland. I sent an
e-mail to their secretary but received no answer so
thought I'd try regular mail. Also a fax or phone
no. would help.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Ilona Lerman
Beerot Yitzchak, Israel
phililona2001@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mailing address of Jewish Historical Institute Warsaw #general

ilona lerman <phililona2001@...>
 

I am looking for the mailing address of the Jewish
Historical Institute in Warsaw, Poland. I sent an
e-mail to their secretary but received no answer so
thought I'd try regular mail. Also a fax or phone
no. would help.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Ilona Lerman
Beerot Yitzchak, Israel
phililona2001@yahoo.com


Re: Pyrmont #germany

Christopher Massur <cmassur@...>
 

Hi there,
I know of only one Bad Pyrmont, but it is not close to Hamburg, but
rather south of Hannover in Northern Germany.

Christopher Massur Curaçao cmassur@hotmail.com


German SIG #Germany Re: Pyrmont #germany

Christopher Massur <cmassur@...>
 

Hi there,
I know of only one Bad Pyrmont, but it is not close to Hamburg, but
rather south of Hannover in Northern Germany.

Christopher Massur Curaçao cmassur@hotmail.com


German Tombstone Inscription - "ndM" #germany

Peter S. Wyant <p.wyant@...>
 

Hello, folks,

thanks to everyone who responded to this query over the past few days,
both on- and off-list. To (briefly!) summarise the consensus of the
several responses I received (and there were some discrepancies among
these):

Lamed-feh-koph (or lamed-peh-koph) is an originally orthodox acronym for
Lipherat Katan (there are were a number of subtle spelling variations of
this, of course, and my Hebrew is somewhat limited so I apologise in
advance for any inaccuracies!) meaning "by the small counting" by which
is meant the eliding of the thousands digit. Inclusion of the thousands
digit would have been indicated by "Lipherat Gadol"... lamed-feh-gimmel.
The inclusion of the thousands (or higher) digit in any number makes for
an increasingly lengthy rendering, of course.

In any event, transliterated into German, this can be rendered as "nach
der kleinen Rechnung/Zeitrechnung" ("by the small counting") or, as in
the case about which I enquired, "nach der Minhag" ("by [common]
practice/custom"), abbreviated as "ndM", being a combination of German
and Hebrew.

There was much more very useful information provided by a number of
people, for which I am very thankful, but this is the essence of the thing.

Regards, Peter Wyant Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada p.wyant@sasktel.net


German SIG #Germany German Tombstone Inscription - "ndM" #germany

Peter S. Wyant <p.wyant@...>
 

Hello, folks,

thanks to everyone who responded to this query over the past few days,
both on- and off-list. To (briefly!) summarise the consensus of the
several responses I received (and there were some discrepancies among
these):

Lamed-feh-koph (or lamed-peh-koph) is an originally orthodox acronym for
Lipherat Katan (there are were a number of subtle spelling variations of
this, of course, and my Hebrew is somewhat limited so I apologise in
advance for any inaccuracies!) meaning "by the small counting" by which
is meant the eliding of the thousands digit. Inclusion of the thousands
digit would have been indicated by "Lipherat Gadol"... lamed-feh-gimmel.
The inclusion of the thousands (or higher) digit in any number makes for
an increasingly lengthy rendering, of course.

In any event, transliterated into German, this can be rendered as "nach
der kleinen Rechnung/Zeitrechnung" ("by the small counting") or, as in
the case about which I enquired, "nach der Minhag" ("by [common]
practice/custom"), abbreviated as "ndM", being a combination of German
and Hebrew.

There was much more very useful information provided by a number of
people, for which I am very thankful, but this is the essence of the thing.

Regards, Peter Wyant Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada p.wyant@sasktel.net


When ShtetlSeeker fails -- Pyrmont #germany

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

When ShtetlSeeker fails you for places in Germany, try prefixing the name
with Bad. I didn't check to see if Bad Pyrmont is in ShtetlSeeker, but
it's in the list of town names under B for Germany at the site:

http://www.calle.com/world/

This page brings up a country list >from which you select the one you
need. Then you get a page listing 2-letter combinations of town name
beginnings. When you finally click on the town, you get latitude &
longitude & an uniformative map - uninformative because it has only
physical features & no names. But you also get google links for the
town. Bad Pyrmont isn't all that far >from Hamburg...

I admit to having an unfair advantage - I know that a distant relative
retired to "Pyrmont" during my lifetime & that it was a spa/resort. When
I didn't find it under P on calle.com, I headed for B.

Irene Newhouse Kihei HI einew@hotmail.com


German SIG #Germany When ShtetlSeeker fails -- Pyrmont #germany

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

When ShtetlSeeker fails you for places in Germany, try prefixing the name
with Bad. I didn't check to see if Bad Pyrmont is in ShtetlSeeker, but
it's in the list of town names under B for Germany at the site:

http://www.calle.com/world/

This page brings up a country list >from which you select the one you
need. Then you get a page listing 2-letter combinations of town name
beginnings. When you finally click on the town, you get latitude &
longitude & an uniformative map - uninformative because it has only
physical features & no names. But you also get google links for the
town. Bad Pyrmont isn't all that far >from Hamburg...

I admit to having an unfair advantage - I know that a distant relative
retired to "Pyrmont" during my lifetime & that it was a spa/resort. When
I didn't find it under P on calle.com, I headed for B.

Irene Newhouse Kihei HI einew@hotmail.com


POLACK / POLLACK family in Argentina and Ukraine #general

Robert Pollack <rmpollack@...>
 

My great-great-grandfather, Leon POLACK (or so it was spelled in Argentina;
my immediate family changed it to POLLACK to ease pronunciation in the
U.S.A. and it might have been spelled differently or similarly elsewhere)
emigrated to Argentina with his wife Golda Lea GLICKMAN in 1890 or 1891 with
some or all of their children, Yosef/Jose, Abraham, Jacob/Jacobo,
Michael/Miguel, and Ida. I believe that they came >from Smotrich, in the
province of Podolia, in the Ukraine (which was then Russia). I believe
that they were soon or immediately in the settlements of the Jewish
Colonization Association in Carlos Casares, in the province of Buenos
Aires.

I believe that Leon POLACK's father was Samuel, and that the Golda
GLICKMAN's father was Wolf. I believe that Leon had a brother called Ber
who might have emigrated to the United States.

Any information concerning any of these people or anyone related to them,
any information (however detailed) concerning Smotrich (I don't even know
where it is in the Ukraine, or if it still exists, or anything about the
Jewish community there), or any sources of further information that I can
seek, would be deeply appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Robert Pollack
Currently in Annapolis, Maryland, U.S.A.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen POLACK / POLLACK family in Argentina and Ukraine #general

Robert Pollack <rmpollack@...>
 

My great-great-grandfather, Leon POLACK (or so it was spelled in Argentina;
my immediate family changed it to POLLACK to ease pronunciation in the
U.S.A. and it might have been spelled differently or similarly elsewhere)
emigrated to Argentina with his wife Golda Lea GLICKMAN in 1890 or 1891 with
some or all of their children, Yosef/Jose, Abraham, Jacob/Jacobo,
Michael/Miguel, and Ida. I believe that they came >from Smotrich, in the
province of Podolia, in the Ukraine (which was then Russia). I believe
that they were soon or immediately in the settlements of the Jewish
Colonization Association in Carlos Casares, in the province of Buenos
Aires.

I believe that Leon POLACK's father was Samuel, and that the Golda
GLICKMAN's father was Wolf. I believe that Leon had a brother called Ber
who might have emigrated to the United States.

Any information concerning any of these people or anyone related to them,
any information (however detailed) concerning Smotrich (I don't even know
where it is in the Ukraine, or if it still exists, or anything about the
Jewish community there), or any sources of further information that I can
seek, would be deeply appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Robert Pollack
Currently in Annapolis, Maryland, U.S.A.


Re: Bad Pyr(o)mont - thanks #germany

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Thanks to all the Ger-Siggers who gave me the modern
name for Bad Pyrmont, especially to Ernest Kallmann,
who explained the designation (more tax revenue as a
spa town!) and to Lars Menk, who provided additional
gen. data.

Judith Berlowitz Berkeley, California, USA jberlowitz@prodigy.net


German SIG #Germany Re: Bad Pyr(o)mont - thanks #germany

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Thanks to all the Ger-Siggers who gave me the modern
name for Bad Pyrmont, especially to Ernest Kallmann,
who explained the designation (more tax revenue as a
spa town!) and to Lars Menk, who provided additional
gen. data.

Judith Berlowitz Berkeley, California, USA jberlowitz@prodigy.net


Seeking lookup in Yad Vashem #general

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

Hi Genners -

If some kind person is planning to do research in the Yad Vashem,
I would much appreciate if they could find the time to seek out
some information for me. It's to do with a possible record of a
person deported >from Tererzin to Auschwitz, which I am given to
understand may be found at Yad Vashem. There's no hurry.

Please respond privately

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@iinet.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking lookup in Yad Vashem #general

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

Hi Genners -

If some kind person is planning to do research in the Yad Vashem,
I would much appreciate if they could find the time to seek out
some information for me. It's to do with a possible record of a
person deported >from Tererzin to Auschwitz, which I am given to
understand may be found at Yad Vashem. There's no hurry.

Please respond privately

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@iinet.net.au