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Reading tombstone on Viewmate #ukraine

Fran Segall <FranSegall@...>
 

I've just posted a portion of a tombstone photo on Viewmate. It can be
found at:
<http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3333>
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3333.
I would appreciate some help reading the names on it.
Please respond privately.

Thanks for your help.

Fran
Manassas, VA
FranSegall@comcast.net

Doing research on:
Galicia, Poland: STRICK (Wielopole)
Galicia, Ukraine: LICHTMANN (Stanislavov/Ivano-Frankovs'k and
Bolszowce/Bol'shovtsy)
Belarus: BROUDA/BREWDA/BREVDA/BREWDI (Amstibove/Mstibovo)
Ukraine: KLETZEL/KLETSEL (Volhynia region)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Reading tombstone on Viewmate #ukraine

Fran Segall <FranSegall@...>
 

I've just posted a portion of a tombstone photo on Viewmate. It can be
found at:
<http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3333>
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3333.
I would appreciate some help reading the names on it.
Please respond privately.

Thanks for your help.

Fran
Manassas, VA
FranSegall@comcast.net

Doing research on:
Galicia, Poland: STRICK (Wielopole)
Galicia, Ukraine: LICHTMANN (Stanislavov/Ivano-Frankovs'k and
Bolszowce/Bol'shovtsy)
Belarus: BROUDA/BREWDA/BREVDA/BREWDI (Amstibove/Mstibovo)
Ukraine: KLETZEL/KLETSEL (Volhynia region)


Pennsylvania Vital Records Fee increases #ukraine

Michelle Leo <shell-leo@...>
 

Effective January 1, 2004, Pennsylvania will increase the fees for Birth
Certificates >from $4.00 to $10.00 and for Death Certificates >from $3.00 to
$9.00. All requests postmarked by December 31, 2003 will be honored at the
old fee amount, for those of us who have procrastinated ordering records.
See details on ordering at
www.dsf.health.state.pa.us/health/cwp/view.asp?a=168&q=202275.

Wishing everyone a happy new year.

Michelle Leo
Pittsburgh, PA

Searching: ROLNIK (Pinsk, Belarus & USA), GOLDSMITH (Ukraine & NY), KAPLAN
(Odessa, Ukraine & NY), Needleman (Narovlya, Belarus & USA), and RAIDER
(REDER) -Belarus, Ukraine and USA.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Pennsylvania Vital Records Fee increases #ukraine

Michelle Leo <shell-leo@...>
 

Effective January 1, 2004, Pennsylvania will increase the fees for Birth
Certificates >from $4.00 to $10.00 and for Death Certificates >from $3.00 to
$9.00. All requests postmarked by December 31, 2003 will be honored at the
old fee amount, for those of us who have procrastinated ordering records.
See details on ordering at
www.dsf.health.state.pa.us/health/cwp/view.asp?a=168&q=202275.

Wishing everyone a happy new year.

Michelle Leo
Pittsburgh, PA

Searching: ROLNIK (Pinsk, Belarus & USA), GOLDSMITH (Ukraine & NY), KAPLAN
(Odessa, Ukraine & NY), Needleman (Narovlya, Belarus & USA), and RAIDER
(REDER) -Belarus, Ukraine and USA.


Mitnick #ukraine

Mitnick, Steve (NBC) <Steve.Mitnick@...>
 

I'm looking for any information on the Mitnick family, which I believe came
from Kiev. The surname was possibly MITNITSKI originally. My
great-grandfather was Harry, his wife's name was Dora, and their children
were Jacob, Minnie (May) and Rose.

Thank you.

Steve Mitnick
stmitnickl@aol.com


family SINGER #ukraine

MATHOV Yehuda & Pnina <mathov@...>
 

Shalom

I am trying to find the descendantes of Mr JOILE SINGER >from Ukrayne or Bessarabia
who arrived to the U S A at the end of the 19th century or begining of the 20th.
with his sister GUSSIE SINGER.

Other part of this family, their brother Moishe, emigrated to Argentina.

I shall apreciate any help.


Yehuda MATHOV in Israel.

researching families:
MATHOV - MATOFF - DASHEVSKY - VULISCHER - SHULKIN, >from Ukrayne.
SINGER - WANTMAN - LANFIR - BLANC - DOCTOROVICH - HICK - PETASHNIK - GLUSHANKOV
from Bessarabia.
HONISBERG - DIEZENHAUS >from Poland.
WAADIAEFF - VAADIA >from Bukhara


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Mitnick #ukraine

Mitnick, Steve (NBC) <Steve.Mitnick@...>
 

I'm looking for any information on the Mitnick family, which I believe came
from Kiev. The surname was possibly MITNITSKI originally. My
great-grandfather was Harry, his wife's name was Dora, and their children
were Jacob, Minnie (May) and Rose.

Thank you.

Steve Mitnick
stmitnickl@aol.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine family SINGER #ukraine

MATHOV Yehuda & Pnina <mathov@...>
 

Shalom

I am trying to find the descendantes of Mr JOILE SINGER >from Ukrayne or Bessarabia
who arrived to the U S A at the end of the 19th century or begining of the 20th.
with his sister GUSSIE SINGER.

Other part of this family, their brother Moishe, emigrated to Argentina.

I shall apreciate any help.


Yehuda MATHOV in Israel.

researching families:
MATHOV - MATOFF - DASHEVSKY - VULISCHER - SHULKIN, >from Ukrayne.
SINGER - WANTMAN - LANFIR - BLANC - DOCTOROVICH - HICK - PETASHNIK - GLUSHANKOV
from Bessarabia.
HONISBERG - DIEZENHAUS >from Poland.
WAADIAEFF - VAADIA >from Bukhara


Harry THOMASHEFSKY #yiddish

Gary Goldberg <gary_goldberg@...>
 

Dear fellow researchers,

I am trying to locate the descendants of Harry THOMASHEFSKY -- one of the
sons of Boris and Bessie THOMASHEFSKY. Any help would be appreciated.

(Moderator's Note: PLEASE REPLY PRIVATELY).

Gary Goldberg
19030 Burnt Leaf Way
Monument, Colorado 80132
719-488-9968

Researching: AMSTERDAM, ARNOLD, BAER, BAUM, BRODSKY, BUCHALTER,
BUCHHALTER, CEPEDA, CHINSKY, CHIZNER, COHEN, EGOZI, EICHNER, ELLENBERG,
FEINMAN, FITZER, GLATER, GLATTER, GLUCK, GOLDBERG, GOLDFARB, GOLDSCHMIDT,
GOMEZ, GONZALEZ, GOTTFRIED, GRUSHEN, GRUSHINSKY, GUMINICK, HAMILTON, HAMMER,
HERMANN, HOFFER, KAM, KAMPELMACHER, KAMPELMAN, KAPLAN, KAPLOWICZ, KREISBERG,
LADENHEIM, LATTER, LEICHT, LETTER, LEVINE, LICHSTRAHL, LOTTER, MILLENS,
NEIMAN, NEWMAN, OPERT, REISS, REITER, ROSENTHAL, ROTHBLUM, ROTHKOFF,
RUDOLPH, RUHM, RUM, RUMM, SAULT, SCHNEIER, SHAPIRO, SINGER, SPERLING, STAHL,
STALL, SUCHER, THOMASHEFSKY, VOGEL, WALLERSTEIN, WARNER, ZEIBENER, ZOLADZ,
ZOLANDZ, ZOLODZ, ZOLONDZ


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Harry THOMASHEFSKY #yiddish

Gary Goldberg <gary_goldberg@...>
 

Dear fellow researchers,

I am trying to locate the descendants of Harry THOMASHEFSKY -- one of the
sons of Boris and Bessie THOMASHEFSKY. Any help would be appreciated.

(Moderator's Note: PLEASE REPLY PRIVATELY).

Gary Goldberg
19030 Burnt Leaf Way
Monument, Colorado 80132
719-488-9968

Researching: AMSTERDAM, ARNOLD, BAER, BAUM, BRODSKY, BUCHALTER,
BUCHHALTER, CEPEDA, CHINSKY, CHIZNER, COHEN, EGOZI, EICHNER, ELLENBERG,
FEINMAN, FITZER, GLATER, GLATTER, GLUCK, GOLDBERG, GOLDFARB, GOLDSCHMIDT,
GOMEZ, GONZALEZ, GOTTFRIED, GRUSHEN, GRUSHINSKY, GUMINICK, HAMILTON, HAMMER,
HERMANN, HOFFER, KAM, KAMPELMACHER, KAMPELMAN, KAPLAN, KAPLOWICZ, KREISBERG,
LADENHEIM, LATTER, LEICHT, LETTER, LEVINE, LICHSTRAHL, LOTTER, MILLENS,
NEIMAN, NEWMAN, OPERT, REISS, REITER, ROSENTHAL, ROTHBLUM, ROTHKOFF,
RUDOLPH, RUHM, RUM, RUMM, SAULT, SCHNEIER, SHAPIRO, SINGER, SPERLING, STAHL,
STALL, SUCHER, THOMASHEFSKY, VOGEL, WALLERSTEIN, WARNER, ZEIBENER, ZOLADZ,
ZOLANDZ, ZOLODZ, ZOLONDZ


Re: Repeat marriage in the US? #general

Jeff Malka <JeffMalka@...>
 

No, both marriages were religious marriages by rabbis. The one in the old
country was in the bride's home shtetl. Then the groom - who had come to the
US 6 years earlier - remarried the same bride when she came over a year
later.

I suspect it may be that they had no way to prove in the US that they were
married and therefore paid a rabbi to redo it in NY to simplify matters.
Or, he may have married her in the shtetl so as to get her travel papers to
come to the US, though I do not know if these were needed in 1906-7 or
simply just went back to "find a wife" and arrange for her coming over. Or
just that the religious marriage in the shtetl may have had no civil
registration component, hence the need to remarry in the US.

But I do not know and it was a surprise to find the 2 marriages for the same
people, listing the same parents, etc at 2 different dates and places. So I
was wondering if others had come across this.

(Better 2 marriages than "none" <grin>)

Jeff Malka

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally M. Bruckheimer" <sallybru@wdcunet.net>
To: <JeffMalka@orthohelp.com>; "jewishgen" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Repeat marriage in the US?

Maybe they 'eloped' and married civilly but not religiously in Europe. When
they got to the US, they could then marry religiously without their parents
interference. Marriages were usually arranged in Europe at that time, and
if might have been 'committed' to marry other people but didn't want to.
This would have been unusual but explains the two records.

The US would have recognized them as married, but the Jewish community might
not have. Many people had no papers and the government generally took
people's words for such things. Most likely they remarried to clear their
conscience-after all, outside their hometown(s), who would know that they
weren't married religiously? In New York, only someone who knew of them
from their hometown might know the truth-and might think that they had
remarried religiously even if they hadn't.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY

"Could they have been married in the old country and then re-married again in
the US to legitimize the marriage in the US? Is this common? Would one have
been a proxy marriage - if there is such a thing? I am trying to figure it
out and those that would know are dead."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Repeat marriage in the US? #general

Jeff Malka <JeffMalka@...>
 

No, both marriages were religious marriages by rabbis. The one in the old
country was in the bride's home shtetl. Then the groom - who had come to the
US 6 years earlier - remarried the same bride when she came over a year
later.

I suspect it may be that they had no way to prove in the US that they were
married and therefore paid a rabbi to redo it in NY to simplify matters.
Or, he may have married her in the shtetl so as to get her travel papers to
come to the US, though I do not know if these were needed in 1906-7 or
simply just went back to "find a wife" and arrange for her coming over. Or
just that the religious marriage in the shtetl may have had no civil
registration component, hence the need to remarry in the US.

But I do not know and it was a surprise to find the 2 marriages for the same
people, listing the same parents, etc at 2 different dates and places. So I
was wondering if others had come across this.

(Better 2 marriages than "none" <grin>)

Jeff Malka

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally M. Bruckheimer" <sallybru@wdcunet.net>
To: <JeffMalka@orthohelp.com>; "jewishgen" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Repeat marriage in the US?

Maybe they 'eloped' and married civilly but not religiously in Europe. When
they got to the US, they could then marry religiously without their parents
interference. Marriages were usually arranged in Europe at that time, and
if might have been 'committed' to marry other people but didn't want to.
This would have been unusual but explains the two records.

The US would have recognized them as married, but the Jewish community might
not have. Many people had no papers and the government generally took
people's words for such things. Most likely they remarried to clear their
conscience-after all, outside their hometown(s), who would know that they
weren't married religiously? In New York, only someone who knew of them
from their hometown might know the truth-and might think that they had
remarried religiously even if they hadn't.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY

"Could they have been married in the old country and then re-married again in
the US to legitimize the marriage in the US? Is this common? Would one have
been a proxy marriage - if there is such a thing? I am trying to figure it
out and those that would know are dead."


Jewish Community in Managua, Nicaragua? #general

sytech@...
 

Hi,

I have been through most of Central America and have visited Jewish
communities there.

I will be traveling to Nicaragua in February and can't find anything
about a Jewish Community in Managua even though I have heard that there
is one there.

Can anyone advise me where I might get some information?

Thanks,

Sy Gelbard

--
Please post and reply to sytech@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Community in Managua, Nicaragua? #general

sytech@...
 

Hi,

I have been through most of Central America and have visited Jewish
communities there.

I will be traveling to Nicaragua in February and can't find anything
about a Jewish Community in Managua even though I have heard that there
is one there.

Can anyone advise me where I might get some information?

Thanks,

Sy Gelbard

--
Please post and reply to sytech@yahoo.com


Re: Repeat marriage in the US? #general

Stan Goodman <safeqSPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:22:25 UTC, JeffMalka@orthohelp.com (Jeff Malka)
opined:
Yes, but in my case both marriages were religious because one was recorded
in the synagogue records in the old town and the second one in the US was
listed in the NY records as having been performed by a rabbi in a small
lower east side synagogue. No children were born before a year after the
second marriage.
To say that the second marriage was "religious" is aside >from the point. As
you say, it was "listed" in the NY records; actually it was *certified*, and
the difference is not trivial, for the certification is the act of marriage,
as far as the State is concerned, which is why it is called a "Marriage
Certificate" -- it *certifies* that the couple is wed. The religious ceremony
takes place after the marriage is already certified civilly, and therefore
already recognized.

Note the difference between the above sequence and that evident >from
*all* the Russian and other European documents which are so often
discussed in this forum. If you read those documents carefully, what
they are saying is that witnesses came to the registrar *after* a
marriage had been performed by a clergyman, and described the
details to the civil official, who had no knowledge of them previously.

The difference is crucial, because in the Russian case, the marriage
exists first, and is registered (i.e. listed) only later, perhaps days after
being performed by the clergyman is registered.

What happened in the case of your relatives, one cannot know. Perhaps the
registration was never accomplished, which was not infrequently the case.
But if that was so, the bride had her ktuba, which is evidence of her
marriage. If the couple needed to show some civil authority that they were
married, it was not difficult to have the ktuba translated to English. I
cannot fathom why they would have felt it necessary to marry again; I am
also not sure what genealogical significance is in the fact; they were,
after all, married the first time. But it is also not unknown for elderly
chaps to feel it necessary go through a touching "Bar Mitzva" ceremony;
perhaps the motivation is similar.

--- Original Message ---
From: "Sara" <esterbrook@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Repeat marriage in the US?

My grandparents were originally married in Poland and then were remarried
civilly when they arrived in the U.S. I think it was common as religious
ceremonies were done but not necessarily then filed/recorded civilly.

Sara R. Rice
Palos Verdes Estates, CA
Searching: HERSCHLIKOWICZ, WORONOWICZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Malka" <JeffMalka@orthohelp.com>

Is it common for a couple married in the old country to re-marry again in
the US?
---
mailto:JeffMalka@orthohelp.com
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com
Please remove the CAPITAL LETTERS >from my address in order to send me email.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Repeat marriage in the US? #general

Stan Goodman <safeqSPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:22:25 UTC, JeffMalka@orthohelp.com (Jeff Malka)
opined:
Yes, but in my case both marriages were religious because one was recorded
in the synagogue records in the old town and the second one in the US was
listed in the NY records as having been performed by a rabbi in a small
lower east side synagogue. No children were born before a year after the
second marriage.
To say that the second marriage was "religious" is aside >from the point. As
you say, it was "listed" in the NY records; actually it was *certified*, and
the difference is not trivial, for the certification is the act of marriage,
as far as the State is concerned, which is why it is called a "Marriage
Certificate" -- it *certifies* that the couple is wed. The religious ceremony
takes place after the marriage is already certified civilly, and therefore
already recognized.

Note the difference between the above sequence and that evident >from
*all* the Russian and other European documents which are so often
discussed in this forum. If you read those documents carefully, what
they are saying is that witnesses came to the registrar *after* a
marriage had been performed by a clergyman, and described the
details to the civil official, who had no knowledge of them previously.

The difference is crucial, because in the Russian case, the marriage
exists first, and is registered (i.e. listed) only later, perhaps days after
being performed by the clergyman is registered.

What happened in the case of your relatives, one cannot know. Perhaps the
registration was never accomplished, which was not infrequently the case.
But if that was so, the bride had her ktuba, which is evidence of her
marriage. If the couple needed to show some civil authority that they were
married, it was not difficult to have the ktuba translated to English. I
cannot fathom why they would have felt it necessary to marry again; I am
also not sure what genealogical significance is in the fact; they were,
after all, married the first time. But it is also not unknown for elderly
chaps to feel it necessary go through a touching "Bar Mitzva" ceremony;
perhaps the motivation is similar.

--- Original Message ---
From: "Sara" <esterbrook@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Repeat marriage in the US?

My grandparents were originally married in Poland and then were remarried
civilly when they arrived in the U.S. I think it was common as religious
ceremonies were done but not necessarily then filed/recorded civilly.

Sara R. Rice
Palos Verdes Estates, CA
Searching: HERSCHLIKOWICZ, WORONOWICZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Malka" <JeffMalka@orthohelp.com>

Is it common for a couple married in the old country to re-marry again in
the US?
---
mailto:JeffMalka@orthohelp.com
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com
Please remove the CAPITAL LETTERS >from my address in order to send me email.


Sprinze KOENIGSBUCH (nee SATZ or KALB) #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners,
Just discovered at the Red Cross microfilms at Yad
Vashem a card of Sprinze Koenigsbuch b.1902 her
parents were Jakob and Hinda Satz. She was married to
Bernard Baruch Koenigsbuch who was born in 1898.
On her card there is also a mention of the name Kalb
which somehow may relate to her parents. This is the
first time that I come across Bernard Baruch
Koenigsbuch. Since it is very rare surname i suspect
he also belongs to our tribe >from Brzesko.
Please respond privately if Sprintze Satz or Kalb
means anything to you. JGFF has few listings of
researchers who are seeking Satz or Kalb.
Jacob Rosen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sprinze KOENIGSBUCH (nee SATZ or KALB) #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners,
Just discovered at the Red Cross microfilms at Yad
Vashem a card of Sprinze Koenigsbuch b.1902 her
parents were Jakob and Hinda Satz. She was married to
Bernard Baruch Koenigsbuch who was born in 1898.
On her card there is also a mention of the name Kalb
which somehow may relate to her parents. This is the
first time that I come across Bernard Baruch
Koenigsbuch. Since it is very rare surname i suspect
he also belongs to our tribe >from Brzesko.
Please respond privately if Sprintze Satz or Kalb
means anything to you. JGFF has few listings of
researchers who are seeking Satz or Kalb.
Jacob Rosen


SHERMAN Eastern Europe/Holocaust #general

Rosalind
 

Dear Genners,
I am trying to find Abraham Isaac Sherman whose marriage and 5 children
were registered between 1901 to 1912 in NovoAlexandrovsk.
I believe they probably were lost in the Holocaust btu have been so far
found their names.
Can anyone "lay claim to" these people
Abraham Isaac SHERMAN born about 1880
Wife Feiga Zelde bat Chonon GRINBERG
Children
Mariashe
Slova
Ilia
Leib and Chaim
Granddaughter Channa

Thanks in anticipation
Ros Romem
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SHERMAN Eastern Europe/Holocaust #general

Rosalind
 

Dear Genners,
I am trying to find Abraham Isaac Sherman whose marriage and 5 children
were registered between 1901 to 1912 in NovoAlexandrovsk.
I believe they probably were lost in the Holocaust btu have been so far
found their names.
Can anyone "lay claim to" these people
Abraham Isaac SHERMAN born about 1880
Wife Feiga Zelde bat Chonon GRINBERG
Children
Mariashe
Slova
Ilia
Leib and Chaim
Granddaughter Channa

Thanks in anticipation
Ros Romem
Jerusalem