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2004 and its challenges! #ukraine

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

As we approach the beginning of a New Year, we can look back on 2003 as
a year of historic milestones.

On January 1st, JewishGen affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage
- A Living Memorial to the Holocaust. This affiliation enabled us to put
nearly 1,000,000 new records online. More is available, more is on the
way and more can indeed be realized in the coming year but both
organizations depend completely on the financial support of our
constituents.

While the grass roots efforts behind JewishGen are stronger than ever,
and the generosity of donated material and volunteer time and skills
continues, the level of financial support this year has shrunk to
alarming levels. Usage and demand for additional services continues to
grow, but the financial support required to provide these services has
declined nearly 50%!

For JewishGen to continue to serve our users we MUST have the strong and
continuing financial support >from those who use our services day in and
day out. We would prefer that it remain voluntary as it has been from
the day JewishGen started. However, unless we begin to see a dramatic
turnaround in donations in the coming days, especially >from those who
have never made the commitment, we face some very difficult decisions in
2004.

Your financial support will define JewishGen's future for 2004 and
beyond. It will also define how we set our goals for 2004 and most
importantly how we will go about achieving them.

Each of you hold the key to the material currently online and the
material that will be available to you in the coming months. Let us not
lose sight of what it takes to put and keep material online. Let us not
lose sight of the goals we all share. Please consider a gift to
JewishGen before the end of this year, by visiting the following URL:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.html >

or by mailing a check or International Money Order to:

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On behalf of the entire MJH family, the JewishGen Board, officers, staff
and volunteers we thank you in advance for your kind and generous
consideration and wish everyone a very happy, healthy and prosperous New
Year.

Susan

Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen, Inc.
(281) 535-2200


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine 2004 and its challenges! #ukraine

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

As we approach the beginning of a New Year, we can look back on 2003 as
a year of historic milestones.

On January 1st, JewishGen affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage
- A Living Memorial to the Holocaust. This affiliation enabled us to put
nearly 1,000,000 new records online. More is available, more is on the
way and more can indeed be realized in the coming year but both
organizations depend completely on the financial support of our
constituents.

While the grass roots efforts behind JewishGen are stronger than ever,
and the generosity of donated material and volunteer time and skills
continues, the level of financial support this year has shrunk to
alarming levels. Usage and demand for additional services continues to
grow, but the financial support required to provide these services has
declined nearly 50%!

For JewishGen to continue to serve our users we MUST have the strong and
continuing financial support >from those who use our services day in and
day out. We would prefer that it remain voluntary as it has been from
the day JewishGen started. However, unless we begin to see a dramatic
turnaround in donations in the coming days, especially >from those who
have never made the commitment, we face some very difficult decisions in
2004.

Your financial support will define JewishGen's future for 2004 and
beyond. It will also define how we set our goals for 2004 and most
importantly how we will go about achieving them.

Each of you hold the key to the material currently online and the
material that will be available to you in the coming months. Let us not
lose sight of what it takes to put and keep material online. Let us not
lose sight of the goals we all share. Please consider a gift to
JewishGen before the end of this year, by visiting the following URL:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.html >

or by mailing a check or International Money Order to:

JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Drive, Suite 130-472
League City, Texas 77573

On behalf of the entire MJH family, the JewishGen Board, officers, staff
and volunteers we thank you in advance for your kind and generous
consideration and wish everyone a very happy, healthy and prosperous New
Year.

Susan

Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen, Inc.
(281) 535-2200


Komorocz, Berenye, Khudlyovo #ukraine

Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
 

Any one know where I can find the exact locations or maps showing the
following shtetlach:

Komorocz (Ruski Komarivtzi, in Czech-Ruske Komarovce)
Berezna (Velykiy Bereznyi).
Khudlyovo

They're all near Serednye in the Ukraine and what used to be Slovakia but I
cannot find them on any maps.

Any other information about them or Yizkor books? Looking for any
information about them.

Jeff Malka

Moderator's Note: Have you tried Jewishgen's ShtetlFinder?????


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Komorocz, Berenye, Khudlyovo #ukraine

Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
 

Any one know where I can find the exact locations or maps showing the
following shtetlach:

Komorocz (Ruski Komarivtzi, in Czech-Ruske Komarovce)
Berezna (Velykiy Bereznyi).
Khudlyovo

They're all near Serednye in the Ukraine and what used to be Slovakia but I
cannot find them on any maps.

Any other information about them or Yizkor books? Looking for any
information about them.

Jeff Malka

Moderator's Note: Have you tried Jewishgen's ShtetlFinder?????


looking for Presman #ukraine

tatiana tariverdi <tatianamal@...>
 

I am interested in information of PRESMAN, who lived
in Berdichev, also VOYNICH. PRESMAN MARK had two
children, who were born in 1920s, Boris and Ada. Does
anybody knows any other relatives of those?

Tatiana Tariverdi
(Signed by Moderator)

Note: Please remember to sign your letters with your full name and location.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine looking for Presman #ukraine

tatiana tariverdi <tatianamal@...>
 

I am interested in information of PRESMAN, who lived
in Berdichev, also VOYNICH. PRESMAN MARK had two
children, who were born in 1920s, Boris and Ada. Does
anybody knows any other relatives of those?

Tatiana Tariverdi
(Signed by Moderator)

Note: Please remember to sign your letters with your full name and location.


Re: Stalin purge victims #general

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

While the English version of the site is up, the search feature is not.

Suggest that English speakers may want to check the following URL until the
English search feature is live:

http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/stalin.htm

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus

On 27 Dec. 2003, Michael Shpectorov wrote:

You can find all names of Stalin victims and even to look to their folders
on the site www.memo.ru but a search only in Russian.
MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in Russian, but has an English-language section
at http://www.memo.ru/eng/index.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stalin purge victims #general

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

While the English version of the site is up, the search feature is not.

Suggest that English speakers may want to check the following URL until the
English search feature is live:

http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/stalin.htm

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus

On 27 Dec. 2003, Michael Shpectorov wrote:

You can find all names of Stalin victims and even to look to their folders
on the site www.memo.ru but a search only in Russian.
MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in Russian, but has an English-language section
at http://www.memo.ru/eng/index.htm


Re: Identification of synagogue: Viewmate VM 3329/3330 #general

Peregrine Maitland <_roots_@...>
 

It is indeed in Italy...it is the Great Temple of Florence to be precise,
built between 1874 and 1882.

Happy New Year to All,
Peregrine Maitland
_roots_@att.net
To reply delete underscores
from the return address given.
"Robert Fraser" <rwfgjf@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
[snip]
I wonder if anyone can identify this synagogue and its location.
The front and rear views are to be found on Viewmate at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3329

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3330

The photographs were taken by my Wife's uncle who served
in a mobile photographic unit of the Royal Air Force in
World War 2. He took hundreds of pictures of local scenes.
His unit followed the Allied forces and passed through Cairo
and along the North African coast as far west as Tunis.
Then the unit moved to Malta, over to Italy and up
through Italy.

We have assumed that the building is in North Africa,
but it may possibly be in Italy somewhere.

Suggestions are very welcome, and may be posted privately.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@iinet.net.au
---
mailto:rwfgjf@iinet.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Identification of synagogue: Viewmate VM 3329/3330 #general

Peregrine Maitland <_roots_@...>
 

It is indeed in Italy...it is the Great Temple of Florence to be precise,
built between 1874 and 1882.

Happy New Year to All,
Peregrine Maitland
_roots_@att.net
To reply delete underscores
from the return address given.
"Robert Fraser" <rwfgjf@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
[snip]
I wonder if anyone can identify this synagogue and its location.
The front and rear views are to be found on Viewmate at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3329

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3330

The photographs were taken by my Wife's uncle who served
in a mobile photographic unit of the Royal Air Force in
World War 2. He took hundreds of pictures of local scenes.
His unit followed the Allied forces and passed through Cairo
and along the North African coast as far west as Tunis.
Then the unit moved to Malta, over to Italy and up
through Italy.

We have assumed that the building is in North Africa,
but it may possibly be in Italy somewhere.

Suggestions are very welcome, and may be posted privately.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@iinet.net.au
---
mailto:rwfgjf@iinet.net.au


Searching for Wolfe BERMAN #general

Yehuda Berman <ybberman@...>
 

I am trying to trace my grandfather – Velvel (Wolfe) BERMAN. I know
virtually nothing about him and there is nobody to ask. My father refused
to talk about him. The only things I know about him are that he married
young, had three children (my father and his two younger sisters) and lived
first in Tomashpol, Ukraine and then in Kishinev, Bessarabia (now Chisinau,
Moldava). My father was born in 1885 in Tomashpol but came to Kishinev when
he was three. That’s where my aunts were born. My grandfather left
Kishinev when my father was around 7. My father once mentioned that, after
fleeing Russia to escape being drafted into the army, he met his father
again in 1905 in London. My father left England in 1906 and went to America
and apparently never had any more contact with his father.

Many years ago, when I lived in London for a while, the local Chevra Kadisha
located for me 8 graves of men who might have been my grandfather, but they
needed more details. When I asked my father, his reply was “who cares?”.
At that point I gave up.

Recently somebody suggested that I try to locate my grandfather through the
1901 British Census. There I found a Wolfe Berman, age 36, and born in
Russia and living in Liverpool, working as a glazier/painter. However he
was married to Leah, daughter of Isaac and Rose Kessler, also born in
Russia. They had five children at the time, aged 4 months to 11 years -
Minnie, Solomon, Abraham, Hetty and Sarah. Minnie, the 11 year old, was
born in Russia.

If this Wolfe was my grandfather (and none of the other Bermans in the
Census fit) then it means that he had a daughter by another woman at more or
less the same time that he had a daughter by my grandmother. That might
explain why he never sent money home to his wife and why my father refused
to speak of him.

Are there any descendants of the above Wolfe Berman who could fill in more
details for me, such as where was he born? so I could have a better idea
whether he might be my grandfather.

Yehuda Berman
Efrat, Israel

Searching for: BERMAN – Tomashpol, Kishinev
ACHTMAN or ECHTMAN, Odessa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Wolfe BERMAN #general

Yehuda Berman <ybberman@...>
 

I am trying to trace my grandfather – Velvel (Wolfe) BERMAN. I know
virtually nothing about him and there is nobody to ask. My father refused
to talk about him. The only things I know about him are that he married
young, had three children (my father and his two younger sisters) and lived
first in Tomashpol, Ukraine and then in Kishinev, Bessarabia (now Chisinau,
Moldava). My father was born in 1885 in Tomashpol but came to Kishinev when
he was three. That’s where my aunts were born. My grandfather left
Kishinev when my father was around 7. My father once mentioned that, after
fleeing Russia to escape being drafted into the army, he met his father
again in 1905 in London. My father left England in 1906 and went to America
and apparently never had any more contact with his father.

Many years ago, when I lived in London for a while, the local Chevra Kadisha
located for me 8 graves of men who might have been my grandfather, but they
needed more details. When I asked my father, his reply was “who cares?”.
At that point I gave up.

Recently somebody suggested that I try to locate my grandfather through the
1901 British Census. There I found a Wolfe Berman, age 36, and born in
Russia and living in Liverpool, working as a glazier/painter. However he
was married to Leah, daughter of Isaac and Rose Kessler, also born in
Russia. They had five children at the time, aged 4 months to 11 years -
Minnie, Solomon, Abraham, Hetty and Sarah. Minnie, the 11 year old, was
born in Russia.

If this Wolfe was my grandfather (and none of the other Bermans in the
Census fit) then it means that he had a daughter by another woman at more or
less the same time that he had a daughter by my grandmother. That might
explain why he never sent money home to his wife and why my father refused
to speak of him.

Are there any descendants of the above Wolfe Berman who could fill in more
details for me, such as where was he born? so I could have a better idea
whether he might be my grandfather.

Yehuda Berman
Efrat, Israel

Searching for: BERMAN – Tomashpol, Kishinev
ACHTMAN or ECHTMAN, Odessa


Re: Repeat marriage in the US? #general

Nachum Tuchman <nachum@...>
 

I am reminded of weddings that took place in around 1964.
Sometime around then, the draft exemption for married men, in the US, was
cancelled. Anyone marrying before the cutoff date
got an exemption, anyone marrying after the cutoff date was eligible for
the draft. I remember hearing that many men who had weddings planned
for the days or weeks following the cutoff date, married earlier, so
that they would still be eligible for the exemption. They
then celebrated the original date, as the hall was booked and
invitations had been sent out.

As I recall, the cutoff date was midnight of a particular Saturday
night. That last Saturday evening, a couple, their parents, and a few
other people came to our house, where my father married them, just hours
before the cutoff date. The next day they 'renewed' their vows in front
of the invited guests. My father refused to lie, and write a wrong date
on the papers that he had to send in to the local authorities. So, he
gave them the choice to bring their wedding forward, or take their
chances on the draft.

Nachum Tuchman
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: Yehuda Berman [mailto:ybberman@netvision.net.il]=20
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:49 PM

My late parents told me that they married each other three times, twice
civilly and once religiously. In 1930 my mother was living in Windsor,
Canada where she had arrived >from Russia because she could not get a
visa to the U.S. where her brother, who had sent the boat tickets,
lived. She met my father, who lived across the river in Detroit and
they decided to get married. They married civilly in Canada in order to
facilitate her entry into the U.S. as the wife of an American citizen.
Upon arrival in the U.S. they married again civilly because they
weren 92t sure the first marriage would be recognized (don 92t ask me
why). Then, six months later, they married in a religious ceremony, and
that 92s when they started living together and that 92s the date they
celebrated their anniversaries.

For that matter, in the mid-Sixties, friends of mine living in New York
got married there in a civil ceremony for some reason connected to
bureaucracy. A few weeks later they got married again in Connecticut
where the bride 92s parents lived, this time religiously, and that 92s
when they started living together and that 92s the date they celebrate
their wedding anniversary.

I assume that other people also married more than once for reasons that
made sense at the time, and have since been forgotten.

Yehuda Berman
Researching: BERMAN 96 Tomashpol, Kishinev, and London;
ACHTMAN or ECHTMAN - Odessa

<<< Is it common for a couple married in the old country to re-marry
again in the US?
---
mailto:ybberman@netvision.net.il
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Repeat marriage in the US? #general

Nachum Tuchman <nachum@...>
 

I am reminded of weddings that took place in around 1964.
Sometime around then, the draft exemption for married men, in the US, was
cancelled. Anyone marrying before the cutoff date
got an exemption, anyone marrying after the cutoff date was eligible for
the draft. I remember hearing that many men who had weddings planned
for the days or weeks following the cutoff date, married earlier, so
that they would still be eligible for the exemption. They
then celebrated the original date, as the hall was booked and
invitations had been sent out.

As I recall, the cutoff date was midnight of a particular Saturday
night. That last Saturday evening, a couple, their parents, and a few
other people came to our house, where my father married them, just hours
before the cutoff date. The next day they 'renewed' their vows in front
of the invited guests. My father refused to lie, and write a wrong date
on the papers that he had to send in to the local authorities. So, he
gave them the choice to bring their wedding forward, or take their
chances on the draft.

Nachum Tuchman
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: Yehuda Berman [mailto:ybberman@netvision.net.il]=20
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:49 PM

My late parents told me that they married each other three times, twice
civilly and once religiously. In 1930 my mother was living in Windsor,
Canada where she had arrived >from Russia because she could not get a
visa to the U.S. where her brother, who had sent the boat tickets,
lived. She met my father, who lived across the river in Detroit and
they decided to get married. They married civilly in Canada in order to
facilitate her entry into the U.S. as the wife of an American citizen.
Upon arrival in the U.S. they married again civilly because they
weren 92t sure the first marriage would be recognized (don 92t ask me
why). Then, six months later, they married in a religious ceremony, and
that 92s when they started living together and that 92s the date they
celebrated their anniversaries.

For that matter, in the mid-Sixties, friends of mine living in New York
got married there in a civil ceremony for some reason connected to
bureaucracy. A few weeks later they got married again in Connecticut
where the bride 92s parents lived, this time religiously, and that 92s
when they started living together and that 92s the date they celebrate
their wedding anniversary.

I assume that other people also married more than once for reasons that
made sense at the time, and have since been forgotten.

Yehuda Berman
Researching: BERMAN 96 Tomashpol, Kishinev, and London;
ACHTMAN or ECHTMAN - Odessa

<<< Is it common for a couple married in the old country to re-marry
again in the US?
---
mailto:ybberman@netvision.net.il
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Re: do women need Hebrew names #general

Nachum Tuchman <nachum@...>
 

Why look far ahead in a person's life for the need for a name? A boy
doesn't get called up to the Torah until at least his Bar-Mitzvah, at age 13.
A woman doesn't need a name so that a child can have a mi-sheberach
prayer for the ill), until she has a sick child.

However, everyone wants to talk to babies >from day one, and a name is a
handy thing in which to do that. Otherwise we'd all be 'hey you'.
I suppose some of us are anyway.

I would venture to say that naming a baby goes back as far as Adam and
Eve, although other than the Torah, I have no proof of this.

In every culture, people named their babies using names that were common
to their culture and language. Why, then, is it strange to think that
Yiddish speaking Jews wouldn't give their babies Hebrew or Yiddish
names? Especially non-assimilated Jews.

Even in societies where Jews assimilated, or at least joined in with the
local population, perhaps still remaining religious, babies were named.
If a secular, local name was needed, it was given. If the family thought
it important to also give a Hebrew or Yiddish name, that too was given.
If not, not.

But certainly in Eastern Europe there's no reason to consider that both
boys and girls weren't given Hebrew or Yiddish names.

I find it interesting that many people write in their posts 'my GF was
born in XXX, named Harry and seems to have had the name Hirsh', or such names.
If he was born in E. Europe, he was probably born Hirsh and took the Harry
when he got to the States. We've also seen many posts over the years of people
who write that on death certificates or Soc Sec applications, the
parents are listed with English names, even though they never set foot
on US or British soil. The standard answers have always been that those
English names were made up by their children, and you still have to
figure out the original Hebrew or Yiddish names. But they had to have existed.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: do women need Hebrew names #general

Nachum Tuchman <nachum@...>
 

Why look far ahead in a person's life for the need for a name? A boy
doesn't get called up to the Torah until at least his Bar-Mitzvah, at age 13.
A woman doesn't need a name so that a child can have a mi-sheberach
prayer for the ill), until she has a sick child.

However, everyone wants to talk to babies >from day one, and a name is a
handy thing in which to do that. Otherwise we'd all be 'hey you'.
I suppose some of us are anyway.

I would venture to say that naming a baby goes back as far as Adam and
Eve, although other than the Torah, I have no proof of this.

In every culture, people named their babies using names that were common
to their culture and language. Why, then, is it strange to think that
Yiddish speaking Jews wouldn't give their babies Hebrew or Yiddish
names? Especially non-assimilated Jews.

Even in societies where Jews assimilated, or at least joined in with the
local population, perhaps still remaining religious, babies were named.
If a secular, local name was needed, it was given. If the family thought
it important to also give a Hebrew or Yiddish name, that too was given.
If not, not.

But certainly in Eastern Europe there's no reason to consider that both
boys and girls weren't given Hebrew or Yiddish names.

I find it interesting that many people write in their posts 'my GF was
born in XXX, named Harry and seems to have had the name Hirsh', or such names.
If he was born in E. Europe, he was probably born Hirsh and took the Harry
when he got to the States. We've also seen many posts over the years of people
who write that on death certificates or Soc Sec applications, the
parents are listed with English names, even though they never set foot
on US or British soil. The standard answers have always been that those
English names were made up by their children, and you still have to
figure out the original Hebrew or Yiddish names. But they had to have existed.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


WW2 Marriage in Palestine #general

maria skwierawski <carrieskwi@...>
 

I am not sure if I am on the right newsgroup or not
I have a marriage in Hameron? 500 Street Pardress Hannah Palestine on the
17/1/1943
For a Leslie Yopp who was in the Australian Army and a Miriam Caroline
Tiecher/Teicher whose father Paul Pinkus Teicher is said to have died in a
Gas Chamber on the 3/5/1943.
My Question is where would I be able to get a copy of the Marriage
Certificate and how do I find out more about where her father died.
Leslie Yopp's religion is Catholic and his father Hughie Max Adolf Yopp was
from Naumburg Germany and came to Australia in 1908.
Any Help would be appreciated
Maria Skwierawski >from Colyton NSW Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WW2 Marriage in Palestine #general

maria skwierawski <carrieskwi@...>
 

I am not sure if I am on the right newsgroup or not
I have a marriage in Hameron? 500 Street Pardress Hannah Palestine on the
17/1/1943
For a Leslie Yopp who was in the Australian Army and a Miriam Caroline
Tiecher/Teicher whose father Paul Pinkus Teicher is said to have died in a
Gas Chamber on the 3/5/1943.
My Question is where would I be able to get a copy of the Marriage
Certificate and how do I find out more about where her father died.
Leslie Yopp's religion is Catholic and his father Hughie Max Adolf Yopp was
from Naumburg Germany and came to Australia in 1908.
Any Help would be appreciated
Maria Skwierawski >from Colyton NSW Australia


The "Gefilte Fish line" dividing Litvaks & Galicianers #belarus

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

On Google, I found this link that opens the site and tells the story. I
entered "Michael Steinlauf and gefilte fish" and clicked on "This is no fish
tale: Gefilte tastes tell story of ancestry ( ...
You will note the url is exactly the same.

The moderator could not log onto the link posted, copied below, even though
as you can see, the address posted is identical to the one on www.google.com
Copying and pasting did give me an error message also.
www.jewishsf.com/bk990910/igifltefish.shtml

It's a great story and I hope the info above will help those who want to
read it.

A note of interest: My mom was the JACOBS family >from Posen/Przasnysz we
believe and never made it sweet. My dad was the LEAF/LIEBERMAN family from
Swislowitz, Russia (now Swisloch, Belarus) and never requested sweet gefilte
fish, but loved it fried like salmon croquets. The latter was probably my
mom's "creation".

Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA


Belarus SIG #Belarus The "Gefilte Fish line" dividing Litvaks & Galicianers #belarus

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

On Google, I found this link that opens the site and tells the story. I
entered "Michael Steinlauf and gefilte fish" and clicked on "This is no fish
tale: Gefilte tastes tell story of ancestry ( ...
You will note the url is exactly the same.

The moderator could not log onto the link posted, copied below, even though
as you can see, the address posted is identical to the one on www.google.com
Copying and pasting did give me an error message also.
www.jewishsf.com/bk990910/igifltefish.shtml

It's a great story and I hope the info above will help those who want to
read it.

A note of interest: My mom was the JACOBS family >from Posen/Przasnysz we
believe and never made it sweet. My dad was the LEAF/LIEBERMAN family from
Swislowitz, Russia (now Swisloch, Belarus) and never requested sweet gefilte
fish, but loved it fried like salmon croquets. The latter was probably my
mom's "creation".

Rachelle Berliner
Savannah, GA