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Re: MOR-first name or title? #hungary

G+AOE-bor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

I studied my book Lado J. "Magyar Utonevek". Mor is a name of his own,
it is the abreviation as well Moric and also of the Latin origin Maurus
it came >from Moor, Saracen. By the way it is frequently used in Jewish
jokes (Moricka) and one of the very popular author's first name was Mor,
Jokai Mor. Mordechai or Mordche is a Jewish name and if then very
seldomly used as secular name. It might have been different in Slovakia.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Avraham schrieb:

I've come across names like MOR WINTNER, MOR LEFKOVIC and others only
in Slovakia. So what is it? Only a name or a title meaning teacher
like in "Mori veRabi" or the Yemenite "Mori" Can anyone enlighten me?
Avraham Ofek Netanya, Israel

Moderator VK: Mor is not an honorary title but rather a short
version of Mordechai or Mordche. My great-grandfather Markus
MOSKOVITS, who was probably born in Ungvar in about 1840 and lived in
Szobrancz, was known as Mordche and Mor. Mor seems to be a very
common masculine "nickname" in areas of Hungary now located in
eastern Slovakia.


Re: MOR-first name or title? #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Applies also as a short for "Moritz".
Robert
--- Avraham <avrofek@netvision.net.il> wrote:

I've come across names like MOR WINTNER, MOR LEFKOVIC and others only
in
Slovakia.
So what is it? Only a name or a title meaning teacher like in
+ACI-Mori veRabi+ACI-
or the Yemenite +ACI-Mori+ACI-
Can anyone enlighten me?
Avraham Ofek
Netanya, Israel

Moderator VK: Mor is not an honorary title but rather a short
version of Mordechai or Mordche. My great-grandfather Markus
MOSKOVITS, who was probably born in Ungvar in about 1840 and lived in
Szobrancz, was known as Mordche and Mor. Mor seems to be a very
common masculine "nickname" in areas of Hungary now located in
eastern Slovakia.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: MOR-first name or title? #hungary

G+AOE-bor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

I studied my book Lado J. "Magyar Utonevek". Mor is a name of his own,
it is the abreviation as well Moric and also of the Latin origin Maurus
it came >from Moor, Saracen. By the way it is frequently used in Jewish
jokes (Moricka) and one of the very popular author's first name was Mor,
Jokai Mor. Mordechai or Mordche is a Jewish name and if then very
seldomly used as secular name. It might have been different in Slovakia.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Avraham schrieb:

I've come across names like MOR WINTNER, MOR LEFKOVIC and others only
in Slovakia. So what is it? Only a name or a title meaning teacher
like in "Mori veRabi" or the Yemenite "Mori" Can anyone enlighten me?
Avraham Ofek Netanya, Israel

Moderator VK: Mor is not an honorary title but rather a short
version of Mordechai or Mordche. My great-grandfather Markus
MOSKOVITS, who was probably born in Ungvar in about 1840 and lived in
Szobrancz, was known as Mordche and Mor. Mor seems to be a very
common masculine "nickname" in areas of Hungary now located in
eastern Slovakia.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: MOR-first name or title? #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Applies also as a short for "Moritz".
Robert
--- Avraham <avrofek@netvision.net.il> wrote:

I've come across names like MOR WINTNER, MOR LEFKOVIC and others only
in
Slovakia.
So what is it? Only a name or a title meaning teacher like in
+ACI-Mori veRabi+ACI-
or the Yemenite +ACI-Mori+ACI-
Can anyone enlighten me?
Avraham Ofek
Netanya, Israel

Moderator VK: Mor is not an honorary title but rather a short
version of Mordechai or Mordche. My great-grandfather Markus
MOSKOVITS, who was probably born in Ungvar in about 1840 and lived in
Szobrancz, was known as Mordche and Mor. Mor seems to be a very
common masculine "nickname" in areas of Hungary now located in
eastern Slovakia.


Jewish Historical and Genealogical Society of WA Inc - Feb 29 meeting #general

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

The Jewish Historical and Genealogical Society of Western
Australia Inc invites you to
its first event for 2004.

Guest Speaker: Dr Harry Cohen AM - "On being an Activist"

Date - Sunday February 29 2004

Time - 2pm

Venue - Jewish Community Centre, 61 Woodrow Avenue, Yokine 6060

Members: $2.00 Non-Members: $5.00. All welcome.

The Society exists to promote, encourage and foster the study of
Jewish history in Western Australia and Jewish genealogy and
family history generally. It conducts workshops, lectures and
discussions four time a year and publishes "Perth Jewish Roots"
quarterly.

Annual Membership - $10 for singles and $15 for families.

For more information, please contact:
- Michelle Urban: jhgs@iinet.net.au
- Robert Fraser: rwfgjf@iinet.net.au


Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@iinet.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Historical and Genealogical Society of WA Inc - Feb 29 meeting #general

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

The Jewish Historical and Genealogical Society of Western
Australia Inc invites you to
its first event for 2004.

Guest Speaker: Dr Harry Cohen AM - "On being an Activist"

Date - Sunday February 29 2004

Time - 2pm

Venue - Jewish Community Centre, 61 Woodrow Avenue, Yokine 6060

Members: $2.00 Non-Members: $5.00. All welcome.

The Society exists to promote, encourage and foster the study of
Jewish history in Western Australia and Jewish genealogy and
family history generally. It conducts workshops, lectures and
discussions four time a year and publishes "Perth Jewish Roots"
quarterly.

Annual Membership - $10 for singles and $15 for families.

For more information, please contact:
- Michelle Urban: jhgs@iinet.net.au
- Robert Fraser: rwfgjf@iinet.net.au


Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@iinet.net.au


Leslie MANN ? #general

walter spector <educonser@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am trying to contact Leslie MANN ? She group up in Brooklyn, the daughter
of Claire BECKER MANN. Her grandparents were Louis and Mary BECKER. Her last
residence was Atlanta Georgia.

Her grandfather and my grandmother, Ida BECKER LANDER were brother and
sister. I want to add her to the family tree that I have developed.

If anyone can provide me with information, I would greatly appreciate it.

Please, reply privately.

Thank You

Walter Spector
educonser@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Leslie MANN ? #general

walter spector <educonser@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am trying to contact Leslie MANN ? She group up in Brooklyn, the daughter
of Claire BECKER MANN. Her grandparents were Louis and Mary BECKER. Her last
residence was Atlanta Georgia.

Her grandfather and my grandmother, Ida BECKER LANDER were brother and
sister. I want to add her to the family tree that I have developed.

If anyone can provide me with information, I would greatly appreciate it.

Please, reply privately.

Thank You

Walter Spector
educonser@hotmail.com


Re: seeking COP(P)ENHAGEN/KOP(P)ENHAGEN #scandinavia

JOHNSON <iti05248@...>
 

Hello there

I am not sure if I'm speaking to Elsebeth or Henning or if you are one
and the same or related. Please forgive me if I've got this muddled up.

Thank you for the most interesting information about the Copenhagen
KOPPENHAGENs!You can imagine how appreciate I am to receive your kind
email. Research in your part of the world >from the tip of Africa is
not easy!

Can you please give me the translation to English of Copenhagen?
And of Stadhagen?

As most of my research to date has been in Germany, mostly in the SW Pfalz
region, it is hugely exciting to discover more about the family in Denmark
and Courland. Thanks to your Sig I was made aware of the Courland
'connection', there are several KOPPENHAGENs recorded there but as yet I
cannot link them directly to our family, although I am sure they are
related.

In the German archives the name is spelt both as COPPENHAGEN and
KOPPENHAGEN, and sometimes with a single P. >from the mid 1800's the name is
consistently spelt with a K and two P's, and this is sustained by my
husband's g-g-grandfather, Joseph, who emigrated >from the Pfalz via Paris to
London in 1860. Three of his siblings remained in Paris and our French
cousins spell the name KOPPENHAGUE.

As most German Jews were obliged to change their names in the Napoleonic
decree of 1803, it is interesting to note that the KOPPENHAGENs retained
their name, and that the name goes back to (at least) the 17thC.

The GOLDSCHMIDT link you have sent me is particularly intriguing, as we
know that some of the KOPPENHAGENs were jewellers and master clock-makers
in Germany (and later in Paris), and not just ordinary clocks either,
these clocks had figures beautifully worked in silver/gold set into the
top of the clock. One of these clocks survives (with two silver figures
seated at a table). KOPPENHAGEN was written on the clock face, and I
wonder if anyone has come across such a clock in Denmark?

Other KOPPENHAGENs were Meershausen pipe makers and tobacco/cigar importers.

If the KOPPENHAGENs emigrated to Denmark at the invitation of the Danish king
to engage in mercantile activities, then the KOPPENHAGEN professions would
fit his brief. And it seems likely that they moved to Denmark >from Germany,
and that they were Askenazi and not Sephardi.

You wrote
---------
Subject* Chaim Levin Kopenhagen
Father* Juda Loebel Levin Goldschmidt ( ? , d. 17 Jan 1770)
Mother* Miriam Breine Levin Halle ( ? , d. 22 Apr 1737)
Child: __ ___ ____ Olk Goldschmidt
Birth* circa __ ___ 1723
Marriage* __ ___ 1757 Sophie Depert (b. 1721, d. 09 Feb 1789)
Daughter: __ ___ 1759 Birgitte (aka Breine) Goldschmidt (20375)
Death* 05 Dec 1811 Copenhagen
Burial* __ ___ ____ Northern Cemetery, Copenhagen, plot: C-10-27.
(Buried under the name Heiman GOLDSCHMIDT!)
************

3. Judith (aka Gitl) GOLDSCHMIDT,
daughter of Meyer Stadthagen and Breine GOLDSCHMIDT
married FÜRST
presumably born in Altona or Hamburg, Germany
died ca. 1744 in Copenhagen
I assume the GOLDSCHMIDT of whom you speak was related to the following
(Judith's father?).

"Among the Jews in Copenhagen were some well-to-do "German" Jews who served,
among other things, as court jewellers. One of them, Meyer Goldschmidt,
applied for, and was granted in 1684, the right to hold religious services
for the community. Though this was limited to the privacy of his own house
and no form of sermon could be preached, the establishment of the Copenhagen
community is always considered to have begun with this event.

For the next fifty years services took place in Goldschmidt's home (his son
took the name Copenhagen). A piece of land for a cemetery was purchased in
1694 and in the following year the Sephardi Jews were also given permission
to hold services. In general, however, the commercial possibilities for
"Portuguese" Jews were few and far between in the Danish capital and it
was the "German" Jews who became dominant."

Why would the family have gone under two names? This puzzles me.

Whilst looking through your Danish website, I found a Frederich Carl Emil
Lange aus COPENHAGEN aged 11, ugift, schuler, logirend (I don't understand
these words, although I assume schuler means scholar) in a section for
Aabenraa, Sonder Rangstrup, Bedsted, Dorfs Bedstedt (villages?) in a
census. There is also a Caroline Hedwig Wilborg auf Fridericia aged 14,
ugift, bruder tochter der haus mutter, Logirend. Somehow I thought she
may be the boy's sister.

As far as you know where there any Jewish KOPPENHAGENs in this region?

I hope I am not being too greedy for information, but I can't help it,
it's much too exciting to resist!

With thanks and very best regards


Cheryl Johnson
KwaZulu/Natal
South Africa


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: Re:seeking COP(P)ENHAGEN/KOP(P)ENHAGEN #scandinavia

JOHNSON <iti05248@...>
 

Hello there

I am not sure if I'm speaking to Elsebeth or Henning or if you are one
and the same or related. Please forgive me if I've got this muddled up.

Thank you for the most interesting information about the Copenhagen
KOPPENHAGENs!You can imagine how appreciate I am to receive your kind
email. Research in your part of the world >from the tip of Africa is
not easy!

Can you please give me the translation to English of Copenhagen?
And of Stadhagen?

As most of my research to date has been in Germany, mostly in the SW Pfalz
region, it is hugely exciting to discover more about the family in Denmark
and Courland. Thanks to your Sig I was made aware of the Courland
'connection', there are several KOPPENHAGENs recorded there but as yet I
cannot link them directly to our family, although I am sure they are
related.

In the German archives the name is spelt both as COPPENHAGEN and
KOPPENHAGEN, and sometimes with a single P. >from the mid 1800's the name is
consistently spelt with a K and two P's, and this is sustained by my
husband's g-g-grandfather, Joseph, who emigrated >from the Pfalz via Paris to
London in 1860. Three of his siblings remained in Paris and our French
cousins spell the name KOPPENHAGUE.

As most German Jews were obliged to change their names in the Napoleonic
decree of 1803, it is interesting to note that the KOPPENHAGENs retained
their name, and that the name goes back to (at least) the 17thC.

The GOLDSCHMIDT link you have sent me is particularly intriguing, as we
know that some of the KOPPENHAGENs were jewellers and master clock-makers
in Germany (and later in Paris), and not just ordinary clocks either,
these clocks had figures beautifully worked in silver/gold set into the
top of the clock. One of these clocks survives (with two silver figures
seated at a table). KOPPENHAGEN was written on the clock face, and I
wonder if anyone has come across such a clock in Denmark?

Other KOPPENHAGENs were Meershausen pipe makers and tobacco/cigar importers.

If the KOPPENHAGENs emigrated to Denmark at the invitation of the Danish king
to engage in mercantile activities, then the KOPPENHAGEN professions would
fit his brief. And it seems likely that they moved to Denmark >from Germany,
and that they were Askenazi and not Sephardi.

You wrote
---------
Subject* Chaim Levin Kopenhagen
Father* Juda Loebel Levin Goldschmidt ( ? , d. 17 Jan 1770)
Mother* Miriam Breine Levin Halle ( ? , d. 22 Apr 1737)
Child: __ ___ ____ Olk Goldschmidt
Birth* circa __ ___ 1723
Marriage* __ ___ 1757 Sophie Depert (b. 1721, d. 09 Feb 1789)
Daughter: __ ___ 1759 Birgitte (aka Breine) Goldschmidt (20375)
Death* 05 Dec 1811 Copenhagen
Burial* __ ___ ____ Northern Cemetery, Copenhagen, plot: C-10-27.
(Buried under the name Heiman GOLDSCHMIDT!)
************

3. Judith (aka Gitl) GOLDSCHMIDT,
daughter of Meyer Stadthagen and Breine GOLDSCHMIDT
married FÜRST
presumably born in Altona or Hamburg, Germany
died ca. 1744 in Copenhagen
I assume the GOLDSCHMIDT of whom you speak was related to the following
(Judith's father?).

"Among the Jews in Copenhagen were some well-to-do "German" Jews who served,
among other things, as court jewellers. One of them, Meyer Goldschmidt,
applied for, and was granted in 1684, the right to hold religious services
for the community. Though this was limited to the privacy of his own house
and no form of sermon could be preached, the establishment of the Copenhagen
community is always considered to have begun with this event.

For the next fifty years services took place in Goldschmidt's home (his son
took the name Copenhagen). A piece of land for a cemetery was purchased in
1694 and in the following year the Sephardi Jews were also given permission
to hold services. In general, however, the commercial possibilities for
"Portuguese" Jews were few and far between in the Danish capital and it
was the "German" Jews who became dominant."

Why would the family have gone under two names? This puzzles me.

Whilst looking through your Danish website, I found a Frederich Carl Emil
Lange aus COPENHAGEN aged 11, ugift, schuler, logirend (I don't understand
these words, although I assume schuler means scholar) in a section for
Aabenraa, Sonder Rangstrup, Bedsted, Dorfs Bedstedt (villages?) in a
census. There is also a Caroline Hedwig Wilborg auf Fridericia aged 14,
ugift, bruder tochter der haus mutter, Logirend. Somehow I thought she
may be the boy's sister.

As far as you know where there any Jewish KOPPENHAGENs in this region?

I hope I am not being too greedy for information, but I can't help it,
it's much too exciting to resist!

With thanks and very best regards


Cheryl Johnson
KwaZulu/Natal
South Africa


Another language test! #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

This is another test to make sure that my suggestion of replacing the
special Scandinavian characters as follows -- for those who get the
"real thing" and not only codes <VBG> -- does not mess up the digest!

=C6, =D8, =C5, =E6, =F8, =E5, =C4, =D6, =E4, =F6
Ae, Oe, Aa, ae, oe, aa, Ae, Oe, ae, oe
=3DC6, =3DD8, =3DC5, =3DE6, =3DF8, =3DE5, =3DC4, =3DD6, =3DE4, =3DF6

So here comes the test in Danish
- with some other names and places
- and the surnames in CAPITAL LETTERS!
- The Swedish letters with umlaut is written both correctly and replaced
to see what happens in the messages and in the digest (so please let
me know if you get codes!)
----------------------------------------------
Jeg soeger oplysninger om familienavnene:
1.
Edith Rosalie SCH=D6NTHAL (SCHOENTHAL),
f. 7. Nov. 1855 i Norrk=F6ping (Norrkoeping), Sverige
d. 23. Jan. 1935 i Stockholm, Sverige

2.
Jacob David SCHOTTL=C4NDER (SCHOTTLAENDER),
f. i Bad Freienwalde (?)
d. 1844

3.
Irma OESTERGAARD
f. 1876 i Koebenhavn
[first lesson: Koebenhavn is the Danish name for Copenhagen]

- og nu blot et par forsoeg med alle de danske bogstaver:
ae, oe, aa
AE, OE, AA

Nu maa vi saa se om forsoeget lykkedes eller om mit aerinde er forgaeves!

Best regards / bedste hilsner

---------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
---------------------------------------


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Another language test! #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

This is another test to make sure that my suggestion of replacing the
special Scandinavian characters as follows -- for those who get the
"real thing" and not only codes <VBG> -- does not mess up the digest!

=C6, =D8, =C5, =E6, =F8, =E5, =C4, =D6, =E4, =F6
Ae, Oe, Aa, ae, oe, aa, Ae, Oe, ae, oe
=3DC6, =3DD8, =3DC5, =3DE6, =3DF8, =3DE5, =3DC4, =3DD6, =3DE4, =3DF6

So here comes the test in Danish
- with some other names and places
- and the surnames in CAPITAL LETTERS!
- The Swedish letters with umlaut is written both correctly and replaced
to see what happens in the messages and in the digest (so please let
me know if you get codes!)
----------------------------------------------
Jeg soeger oplysninger om familienavnene:
1.
Edith Rosalie SCH=D6NTHAL (SCHOENTHAL),
f. 7. Nov. 1855 i Norrk=F6ping (Norrkoeping), Sverige
d. 23. Jan. 1935 i Stockholm, Sverige

2.
Jacob David SCHOTTL=C4NDER (SCHOTTLAENDER),
f. i Bad Freienwalde (?)
d. 1844

3.
Irma OESTERGAARD
f. 1876 i Koebenhavn
[first lesson: Koebenhavn is the Danish name for Copenhagen]

- og nu blot et par forsoeg med alle de danske bogstaver:
ae, oe, aa
AE, OE, AA

Nu maa vi saa se om forsoeget lykkedes eller om mit aerinde er forgaeves!

Best regards / bedste hilsner

---------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
---------------------------------------


Looking for descendants of MARKELES family, Savannah, Georgia #general

Ogus, Roy <Roy.Ogus@...>
 

I'm trying to make contact with any descendents of the MARKELES family that
lived in Savannah and Atlanta, Georgia, during the early part of the 20th
Century.

I'd appreciate hearing >from you if you are part of this (or any) MARKELES
family, or know anyone who is. The surname is quite unusual.

Thanks for any inputs!

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California, USA
ogus@impact.xerox.com


King's Commendation for Brave Conduct #general

Daniel Vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Is it a way to know or verify the names of the jewish men and women, who was
members of the British Military Intelligence in France, SOE or MI9 during the
WWII, and who may be honored for that with the "King's Commendation for Brave
Conduct."

I think to Ester BROMBERGER alias Evelyne BENOIT and Louis TCHERKOSKI alias
Louis TERRIER, sister and brother >from Paris.

Many thanks to advance

Daniel Vangheluwe


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for descendants of MARKELES family, Savannah, Georgia #general

Ogus, Roy <Roy.Ogus@...>
 

I'm trying to make contact with any descendents of the MARKELES family that
lived in Savannah and Atlanta, Georgia, during the early part of the 20th
Century.

I'd appreciate hearing >from you if you are part of this (or any) MARKELES
family, or know anyone who is. The surname is quite unusual.

Thanks for any inputs!

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California, USA
ogus@impact.xerox.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen King's Commendation for Brave Conduct #general

Daniel Vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Is it a way to know or verify the names of the jewish men and women, who was
members of the British Military Intelligence in France, SOE or MI9 during the
WWII, and who may be honored for that with the "King's Commendation for Brave
Conduct."

I think to Ester BROMBERGER alias Evelyne BENOIT and Louis TCHERKOSKI alias
Louis TERRIER, sister and brother >from Paris.

Many thanks to advance

Daniel Vangheluwe


Thank you for the Mesibuz Help! #general

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D
Dear group and the untiring staff of Jewishgen,
(Lo Yanum Ve Lo Ishan..?)
I want to personally thank everyone who has responded to my email
about Mesibuz. People have sent all sorts of information and links.
Book info, family info, etc.

I have (thank G-d) collected the names and will write
to you each privately about making some collective effort to research
this town.
I will let the group know what comes out of this!
It is odd, that this town, the font of the Chassidic movement is left to
sleep for so long!
I guess everyting "has-its-time"! (Ha Kol Be-Ito in Hebrew)

Wishing everyone a most happy Purim (in 2 weeks)!
All the best and a good Chodesh,
Raanan Isseroff
Brooklyn, NY
US of A


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you for the Mesibuz Help! #general

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D
Dear group and the untiring staff of Jewishgen,
(Lo Yanum Ve Lo Ishan..?)
I want to personally thank everyone who has responded to my email
about Mesibuz. People have sent all sorts of information and links.
Book info, family info, etc.

I have (thank G-d) collected the names and will write
to you each privately about making some collective effort to research
this town.
I will let the group know what comes out of this!
It is odd, that this town, the font of the Chassidic movement is left to
sleep for so long!
I guess everyting "has-its-time"! (Ha Kol Be-Ito in Hebrew)

Wishing everyone a most happy Purim (in 2 weeks)!
All the best and a good Chodesh,
Raanan Isseroff
Brooklyn, NY
US of A


Wolf -Velvel or equivalent #general

Willie Glaser
 

My officicial name is Wilhelm = Willie
My Hebrew name is Se'ev =Wolf =Velvel (Yiddish dimunative for Wolf =
nickname Velvel)
See the connections?

Willie Glaser
Montreal, Que., Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wolf -Velvel or equivalent #general

Willie Glaser
 

My officicial name is Wilhelm = Willie
My Hebrew name is Se'ev =Wolf =Velvel (Yiddish dimunative for Wolf =
nickname Velvel)
See the connections?

Willie Glaser
Montreal, Que., Canada