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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Kelmer BRAUDE/BROIDE Conflict #rabbinic

ROBERT WEISS
 

Fellow Researchers:

I am researching my ancestral BRAUDE family >from Kelme, Lithuania.
I have collected a large amount of vital statistics, tax, newspaper
and book references, and other information regarding this prominent
Kelmer family, but have been unsuccessful in linking my branch with
the BROIDE Rabbinical family--even though family stories are
emphatic that we are related.

I have discovered that some of the civil data I possess conflicts
with published and unpublished Rabbinical data on this family and
would like to pursue this study further to resolve these
differences.

I am planning to attend the IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem in July
and would like to know whether there is any interest among
researchers in having a study session specifically dedicated to
resolving conflicts in the published data on the BROIDE family of
Kelme and sharing any unpublished data on this family.

Please respond privately to:
Bob Weiss
mailto:RWeissJGS@...


Kelmer BRAUDE/BROIDE Conflict #rabbinic

ROBERT WEISS
 

Fellow Researchers:

I am researching my ancestral BRAUDE family >from Kelme, Lithuania.
I have collected a large amount of vital statistics, tax, newspaper
and book references, and other information regarding this prominent
Kelmer family, but have been unsuccessful in linking my branch with
the BROIDE Rabbinical family--even though family stories are
emphatic that we are related.

I have discovered that some of the civil data I possess conflicts
with published and unpublished Rabbinical data on this family and
would like to pursue this study further to resolve these
differences.

I am planning to attend the IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem in July
and would like to know whether there is any interest among
researchers in having a study session specifically dedicated to
resolving conflicts in the published data on the BROIDE family of
Kelme and sharing any unpublished data on this family.

Please respond privately to:
Bob Weiss
mailto:RWeissJGS@...


Holland American Passenger List Question #general

C. Surprise <surprcj@...>
 

I would appreciate it if someone familiar with using the Holland American
passenger lists could suggest a solution to the problem I recently
encountered.

from the EIDB, I discovered that my cousin, Golde Garfunkel, had departed
from Rotterdam on the Amsterdam and arrived in NY on January 21, 1904.
Knowing that the Amsterdam was a ship in the Holland American line, I then
checked the Holland American passenger list index for ships leaving
Rotterdam in January 1904. Sure enough, Golde was listed in the index.
The index showed that the Amsterdam left Rotterdam on January 9th and that
Golde had contract number 3910. Next, I looked at the actual passenger list
for that passage. Golde was not listed as a passenger, and someone else
(whose name was not at all familiar to me) was shown as having contract
number 3910. Any thoughts on this discrepancy would be appreciated!

Aside >from this little problem, I would recommend these lists. They are
very easy to read, the handwriting is extremely legible, and they provide
one more tidbit of information about the lives of our immigrant families.
The ones I looked at were at the Boston Public Library.


Cynthia Surprise
Acton, MA, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Holland American Passenger List Question #general

C. Surprise <surprcj@...>
 

I would appreciate it if someone familiar with using the Holland American
passenger lists could suggest a solution to the problem I recently
encountered.

from the EIDB, I discovered that my cousin, Golde Garfunkel, had departed
from Rotterdam on the Amsterdam and arrived in NY on January 21, 1904.
Knowing that the Amsterdam was a ship in the Holland American line, I then
checked the Holland American passenger list index for ships leaving
Rotterdam in January 1904. Sure enough, Golde was listed in the index.
The index showed that the Amsterdam left Rotterdam on January 9th and that
Golde had contract number 3910. Next, I looked at the actual passenger list
for that passage. Golde was not listed as a passenger, and someone else
(whose name was not at all familiar to me) was shown as having contract
number 3910. Any thoughts on this discrepancy would be appreciated!

Aside >from this little problem, I would recommend these lists. They are
very easy to read, the handwriting is extremely legible, and they provide
one more tidbit of information about the lives of our immigrant families.
The ones I looked at were at the Boston Public Library.


Cynthia Surprise
Acton, MA, USA


Dvora GLASER #general

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you
Wish you all a happy and a kosher Passover
I am researching and looking for Dvora GLASER born 1927 in Przemysl
to her parents Chaim (who was my grandfather) and Rachla.

Arieh Mayer
Haifa Israel
meir1935@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dvora GLASER #general

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you
Wish you all a happy and a kosher Passover
I am researching and looking for Dvora GLASER born 1927 in Przemysl
to her parents Chaim (who was my grandfather) and Rachla.

Arieh Mayer
Haifa Israel
meir1935@...


JTA article: new Sephardic Names dictionary #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

JTA has a nice story on the Dictionary of Sephardic Surnames, which at 528
pages offers some 17,000 Seph surnames >from Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc.
Published in Brazil, (in Portuguese/English), it grew out of a project begun
in 1995 by Brazilian historians Guilherme Faiguenboim and Paulo Valadares
and Italian historian Anna Rosa Campagnano.

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=13949&intcategoryid=5

Chag Pesach sameah!
Happy Passover to everyone!

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
JFRA Israel, president
dardasht@...
schelly@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JTA article: new Sephardic Names dictionary #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

JTA has a nice story on the Dictionary of Sephardic Surnames, which at 528
pages offers some 17,000 Seph surnames >from Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc.
Published in Brazil, (in Portuguese/English), it grew out of a project begun
in 1995 by Brazilian historians Guilherme Faiguenboim and Paulo Valadares
and Italian historian Anna Rosa Campagnano.

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=13949&intcategoryid=5

Chag Pesach sameah!
Happy Passover to everyone!

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
JFRA Israel, president
dardasht@...
schelly@...


BRAUDE/BROIDE from Kelme BOF? #general

ROBERT WEISS
 

I am researching my ancestral BRAUDE family >from Kelme, Lithuania. I have
collected a large amount of vital statistics, tax, newspaper and book references,
and other information regarding this prominent Kelmer family, but have been
unsuccessful in linking my branch with the BROIDE Rabbinical family--even
though family stories are emphatic that we are related.

I have discovered that some of the civil data I possess conflicts with
published and unpublished Rabbinical data on this family and would like to pursue
this study further to resolve these differences.

I am planning to attend the IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem in July and would
like to know whether there is any interest among researchers in having a study
session specifically dedicated to resolving conflicts in the published data on
the BROIDE family of Kelme and sharing any unpublished data on this family.

Please respond privately to:
Bob Weiss
RWeissJGS@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BRAUDE/BROIDE from Kelme BOF? #general

ROBERT WEISS
 

I am researching my ancestral BRAUDE family >from Kelme, Lithuania. I have
collected a large amount of vital statistics, tax, newspaper and book references,
and other information regarding this prominent Kelmer family, but have been
unsuccessful in linking my branch with the BROIDE Rabbinical family--even
though family stories are emphatic that we are related.

I have discovered that some of the civil data I possess conflicts with
published and unpublished Rabbinical data on this family and would like to pursue
this study further to resolve these differences.

I am planning to attend the IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem in July and would
like to know whether there is any interest among researchers in having a study
session specifically dedicated to resolving conflicts in the published data on
the BROIDE family of Kelme and sharing any unpublished data on this family.

Please respond privately to:
Bob Weiss
RWeissJGS@...


Fw: US naturalization format, pettion & declaration #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Dear Genners:

Rose Feldman wrote:

I have received copies of all 3 docuemnts for the person I am researching,
but they are illegible. I came make out his name and that is about all.
The papers are >from about 1920. Is there any place where I can see a blank
document or a legible one so I can know what to look for?
Thanks
Rose Feldman
Here is my answer which I hope helps Rose and other genners.

I too received the same type documents and reading any of them is practically
impossible, but with my magnifying glass and "perseverance" I sort of made some of it
out. Rather than type in word for word here it is in order as best I can:

Declaration of Intent:
I, (name) age ---, occupation --- declare etc, then follows the description:
color, complexion, height, weight, hair and eyes and asks for distinguishing
marks.
Next follows I was born in (place and date of birth) reside at (address)
Next is emigrated to the US >from (place and name of vessel) last foreign residence
(what country) and declares plans to forego any allegiance, etc.
Signed, Dated and Witnessed by official

Petition for Naturalization: My copy is even more illegible than the Dec.
The info is basically the same with perhaps a bit of difference in sequence.
Information is listed as First, Second, Third, etc. Therefore:
Name, address, occupation, born/date, immigrated from/name of vessel/date,
next there was something I couldn't make out both what was typed and what
was handwritten, next was something about a wife with first and last name
and place of birth, next was a listing of how many children, names and where
born, now we are up to Seventh, a typed paragraph re being subject of, etc.,
with space for a stamp (on my GF's Pet) the stamp looks as if it is: Emperor of
all the Russias. Eighth can speak English, next a place for two written dates
(looks like arrival?) Tenth is the request of citizenship and followed by more
legalese. Then comes the Affidavits of the Petitioner and Witnesses, with their
signatures, occupations and addresses.

Certificate of Naturalization: This is easier to read and the information is
typed in and includes most of the info >from the above.
Volume and page number, age/physical description, wife's name/age, children's
names/ages, address, more legalese about free will, living in the US for five
years, etc.

Hope this helps.
Shalom,
Joan Parker
President JGS-GM, Inc.
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Brest, Litovsk maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fw: US naturalization format, pettion & declaration #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Dear Genners:

Rose Feldman wrote:

I have received copies of all 3 docuemnts for the person I am researching,
but they are illegible. I came make out his name and that is about all.
The papers are >from about 1920. Is there any place where I can see a blank
document or a legible one so I can know what to look for?
Thanks
Rose Feldman
Here is my answer which I hope helps Rose and other genners.

I too received the same type documents and reading any of them is practically
impossible, but with my magnifying glass and "perseverance" I sort of made some of it
out. Rather than type in word for word here it is in order as best I can:

Declaration of Intent:
I, (name) age ---, occupation --- declare etc, then follows the description:
color, complexion, height, weight, hair and eyes and asks for distinguishing
marks.
Next follows I was born in (place and date of birth) reside at (address)
Next is emigrated to the US >from (place and name of vessel) last foreign residence
(what country) and declares plans to forego any allegiance, etc.
Signed, Dated and Witnessed by official

Petition for Naturalization: My copy is even more illegible than the Dec.
The info is basically the same with perhaps a bit of difference in sequence.
Information is listed as First, Second, Third, etc. Therefore:
Name, address, occupation, born/date, immigrated from/name of vessel/date,
next there was something I couldn't make out both what was typed and what
was handwritten, next was something about a wife with first and last name
and place of birth, next was a listing of how many children, names and where
born, now we are up to Seventh, a typed paragraph re being subject of, etc.,
with space for a stamp (on my GF's Pet) the stamp looks as if it is: Emperor of
all the Russias. Eighth can speak English, next a place for two written dates
(looks like arrival?) Tenth is the request of citizenship and followed by more
legalese. Then comes the Affidavits of the Petitioner and Witnesses, with their
signatures, occupations and addresses.

Certificate of Naturalization: This is easier to read and the information is
typed in and includes most of the info >from the above.
Volume and page number, age/physical description, wife's name/age, children's
names/ages, address, more legalese about free will, living in the US for five
years, etc.

Hope this helps.
Shalom,
Joan Parker
President JGS-GM, Inc.
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Brest, Litovsk maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


RUTENBERG #general

LENTHELMA@...
 

Mt g-grandfather, Icko RUTENBERG b. 1827 in Mariampol, had a brother Moshe
RUTENBERG, who married a rabbi's daughter, had a family, and either abandoned
them or had a legal divorce. He moved to Warsaw and began a family with another
woman. How would I proceed to find out about the descendants of these two
families? I believe the Mariampol records are available >from the LDS library,
but believe they are in German-which I cannot read. I suspect that the woman in
Warsaw may not have been Jewish and that the family considered him "dead"
since one of my grandfather's brothers was given his name, namely Moshe
RUTENBERG. Please respond privately that I can give you any details that I have.
Thank you. Thelma Fletcher, West palm Beach LENTHELMA@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RUTENBERG #general

LENTHELMA@...
 

Mt g-grandfather, Icko RUTENBERG b. 1827 in Mariampol, had a brother Moshe
RUTENBERG, who married a rabbi's daughter, had a family, and either abandoned
them or had a legal divorce. He moved to Warsaw and began a family with another
woman. How would I proceed to find out about the descendants of these two
families? I believe the Mariampol records are available >from the LDS library,
but believe they are in German-which I cannot read. I suspect that the woman in
Warsaw may not have been Jewish and that the family considered him "dead"
since one of my grandfather's brothers was given his name, namely Moshe
RUTENBERG. Please respond privately that I can give you any details that I have.
Thank you. Thelma Fletcher, West palm Beach LENTHELMA@...


Re: Homler Landsmanshaft #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

I place then names, location[general] and dates of the
membership of Belarus landsmanshaften on the Jewishgen
Belarus website. It discourages me no end to see
requests for name information on Belarus shtetls with
the correspondents having no ideas that they can check
these shtetls on the aforementioned website.
Apparently the thought that the relatives might be on
this website does not occur to the seekers . In fact,
many of these people wind up on the American
Landsmanshaft rolls.
I also have completed some sixty pus collections this
past year for all landsmanshaften outside of my
Belarus specialty area for YIVO Archives where I am
pleased to volunteer.
For those of you who have landsmanshaften materials,
especially name lists found in dues books or
anniversary celebratory booklets I would suggest that
you donate it to YIVO Archives, Center for Jewish
History, 40 West 16th St, NY, NY.

Jerome Seligsohn


ALBERT may be ALPERT or ALPER #belarus

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Remember that B and P are similar and it could easily be mistaken.
So ALBERT could have been ALPERT.
I went back to the necrology list of the Ruzhany Yizkor Book ( it isn't too
far >from Slonim) and found ALPER & ALPERSTEIN.
Since we translated it >from hebrew we knew we had to write a P.
I am not sure that in a soundex search you would come up with B and P
interchangeable. so it might be worth a try.
Also in JRI-Poland I came across family members who had an added consonant
at the end of the name, so some were Szperber and others Szperberg.
Rose Feldman
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004


Belarus SIG #Belarus ALBERT may be ALPERT or ALPER #belarus

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Remember that B and P are similar and it could easily be mistaken.
So ALBERT could have been ALPERT.
I went back to the necrology list of the Ruzhany Yizkor Book ( it isn't too
far >from Slonim) and found ALPER & ALPERSTEIN.
Since we translated it >from hebrew we knew we had to write a P.
I am not sure that in a soundex search you would come up with B and P
interchangeable. so it might be worth a try.
Also in JRI-Poland I came across family members who had an added consonant
at the end of the name, so some were Szperber and others Szperberg.
Rose Feldman
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004


Belarus SIG #Belarus re: Homler Landsmanshaft #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

I place then names, location[general] and dates of the
membership of Belarus landsmanshaften on the Jewishgen
Belarus website. It discourages me no end to see
requests for name information on Belarus shtetls with
the correspondents having no ideas that they can check
these shtetls on the aforementioned website.
Apparently the thought that the relatives might be on
this website does not occur to the seekers . In fact,
many of these people wind up on the American
Landsmanshaft rolls.
I also have completed some sixty pus collections this
past year for all landsmanshaften outside of my
Belarus specialty area for YIVO Archives where I am
pleased to volunteer.
For those of you who have landsmanshaften materials,
especially name lists found in dues books or
anniversary celebratory booklets I would suggest that
you donate it to YIVO Archives, Center for Jewish
History, 40 West 16th St, NY, NY.

Jerome Seligsohn


Re: Liverpool England Departure (3 Questions) #general

joe <joe@...>
 

Hello Joan,
There are Liverpool departure records available for your time frame, but
unfortunately they are not indexed and they have not been microfilmed.
You can read about them here...

http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ExternalRequest.asp?RequestReference=ri2163

Scroll down to "2. Board of Trade Passenger Lists."

You might want to try the Ellis Island Database again. Try Steve Morse's
excellent search tool at...

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/ellis.html

Good luck with your search.

Regards,
Joe Beine
Denver, CO

Joan Parker wrote:

Dear wise genners:

I received the photocopies of my GF Pinkus's papers. In the Petition it seems
to be that he emigrated to NY >from Liverpool March (?) 1899 and arrived what
appears to be March 19, 1899 on a vessel that maybe starts with SCH.

My questions are:
1) Just as Hamburg, Germany, has a site, do we know if Liverpool, England has
one, or where Liverpool departures can be found? Last time I looked I didn't
find him in the EIDB for that time frame.
2) The papers arrived (free) after a FOIA request and are very illegible. Has
anyone who paid for papers >from the NYC archives received readable copies?
I understand >from Rose Feldman that what FOIA sends is a photocopy of the second
carbon copy page and therefore explains why so many pages are illegible.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Liverpool England Departure (3 Questions) #general

joe <joe@...>
 

Hello Joan,
There are Liverpool departure records available for your time frame, but
unfortunately they are not indexed and they have not been microfilmed.
You can read about them here...

http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ExternalRequest.asp?RequestReference=ri2163

Scroll down to "2. Board of Trade Passenger Lists."

You might want to try the Ellis Island Database again. Try Steve Morse's
excellent search tool at...

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/ellis.html

Good luck with your search.

Regards,
Joe Beine
Denver, CO

Joan Parker wrote:

Dear wise genners:

I received the photocopies of my GF Pinkus's papers. In the Petition it seems
to be that he emigrated to NY >from Liverpool March (?) 1899 and arrived what
appears to be March 19, 1899 on a vessel that maybe starts with SCH.

My questions are:
1) Just as Hamburg, Germany, has a site, do we know if Liverpool, England has
one, or where Liverpool departures can be found? Last time I looked I didn't
find him in the EIDB for that time frame.
2) The papers arrived (free) after a FOIA request and are very illegible. Has
anyone who paid for papers >from the NYC archives received readable copies?
I understand >from Rose Feldman that what FOIA sends is a photocopy of the second
carbon copy page and therefore explains why so many pages are illegible.