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Re: Zlata #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Another "variation" of Zlata comes >from my great-great-aunt, born in
Transcarpathian Hungary, and always known to the family as Zlata, however on
her New York City marriage license she wrote her name as "Sera" and, I
believe, that her Hebrew name was "Sarah."

Nevertheless, no one in the family ever used those names. Zlata was what
she was called and it was quite common in that part of Hungary.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zlata #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Another "variation" of Zlata comes >from my great-great-aunt, born in
Transcarpathian Hungary, and always known to the family as Zlata, however on
her New York City marriage license she wrote her name as "Sera" and, I
believe, that her Hebrew name was "Sarah."

Nevertheless, no one in the family ever used those names. Zlata was what
she was called and it was quite common in that part of Hungary.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Re: First Name Zlata #general

Barbara <barbaraellman@...>
 

"Zlata" is >from "Zloto", the Polish for "Gold" Thus the Polish unit of
I have a problem with this explanation. My great-grandmother was Golde.
She named her first child Zlata.

What could explain this if Stan's statement is correct?

Barbara Ellman

barbaraellman@vzavenue.net

Searching: KAGLE , FASS, GREISMAN (Ulanow, Poland)
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN, DICK, DICKER (Minkovtsy, Ukraine)
GOLDSTEIN, HALPERN, HIRSCHHORN (Janow/Ivano-Frankovo, Ukraine)
HIRSCHHORN, WEISSTEIN (Chorostkow, Ukraine)
HASSMANN, HAUSMAN, KOCH, LUCHS, FURST, SONENTHALER, SONENTHAL (Drohobycz &
Boryslaw, Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Name Zlata #general

Barbara <barbaraellman@...>
 

"Zlata" is >from "Zloto", the Polish for "Gold" Thus the Polish unit of
I have a problem with this explanation. My great-grandmother was Golde.
She named her first child Zlata.

What could explain this if Stan's statement is correct?

Barbara Ellman

barbaraellman@vzavenue.net

Searching: KAGLE , FASS, GREISMAN (Ulanow, Poland)
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN, DICK, DICKER (Minkovtsy, Ukraine)
GOLDSTEIN, HALPERN, HIRSCHHORN (Janow/Ivano-Frankovo, Ukraine)
HIRSCHHORN, WEISSTEIN (Chorostkow, Ukraine)
HASSMANN, HAUSMAN, KOCH, LUCHS, FURST, SONENTHALER, SONENTHAL (Drohobycz &
Boryslaw, Ukraine)


Isabella #general

MBernet@...
 

Joy Weaver, East Islip, NY news@hunter.news.rcn.net asked:

I was named Joyce Isabelle. The Joyce was for my mgm, Sheina/ Jean, and
the Isabelle for my pgf, Isadore/ Yitzak. I was never given a Jewish
equivalent for the middle name. A rabbi once told me I could use Elisheva,
but that doesn't seem to sit right. Any thoughts?
Your parents chose to give you non-Jewish names of their own choice, simply
matching initial letters. Sheina is not essentially a "Jewish" name but the
Yiddish form of a German name, and has nothing to do with Jean though Jean is the
feminine of John and John is the English rendering of Yochanan and sometimes
Yehonatan. Yochanan has the fem. name Yochanah, often abbreviated to Channah
or Hanna or Anna or Ann.

Isabelle is a cursed name for Jews, and in English too, as Jezebel--the
epitome of the evil woman--so I'd stay away >from that.. If you want a real Hebrew
name, look through the Bible and look for a character and a name you like--the
meaning of many names is given in the Bible. Or go to jpost.com (the
English-language Israeli newspaper) and find a female name you like--which may
or may not be Hebrew.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Isabella #general

MBernet@...
 

Joy Weaver, East Islip, NY news@hunter.news.rcn.net asked:

I was named Joyce Isabelle. The Joyce was for my mgm, Sheina/ Jean, and
the Isabelle for my pgf, Isadore/ Yitzak. I was never given a Jewish
equivalent for the middle name. A rabbi once told me I could use Elisheva,
but that doesn't seem to sit right. Any thoughts?
Your parents chose to give you non-Jewish names of their own choice, simply
matching initial letters. Sheina is not essentially a "Jewish" name but the
Yiddish form of a German name, and has nothing to do with Jean though Jean is the
feminine of John and John is the English rendering of Yochanan and sometimes
Yehonatan. Yochanan has the fem. name Yochanah, often abbreviated to Channah
or Hanna or Anna or Ann.

Isabelle is a cursed name for Jews, and in English too, as Jezebel--the
epitome of the evil woman--so I'd stay away >from that.. If you want a real Hebrew
name, look through the Bible and look for a character and a name you like--the
meaning of many names is given in the Bible. Or go to jpost.com (the
English-language Israeli newspaper) and find a female name you like--which may
or may not be Hebrew.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

chaikin <chaikin@...>
 

Dear all.

I received few replies to my recent posting, and would like to add:

A. Jezebel / Izevel, who was of Phoenician origin, had fought against the
Judeans who believed in god, and tried to convince them to worship Baal and
Ashera (Canaanite gods).
Isabelle, the Spanish queen, was one of the causes for the troubles of the
Jewish people of Spain.
There was a gap of about 2300 years between these two nasty characters, and
nothing seems to have changed :-))

B. Elisheva, which is the Hebrew name for Elisabeth, was the mother of
Achab, and wife of King Solomon.
I don't see any connection between Elisabeth and Isabelle, rather than a
Freudian mistake, made by a rabbi, whose mistake became fact :-))

Best regards,
Udi Cain, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

chaikin <chaikin@...>
 

Dear all.

I received few replies to my recent posting, and would like to add:

A. Jezebel / Izevel, who was of Phoenician origin, had fought against the
Judeans who believed in god, and tried to convince them to worship Baal and
Ashera (Canaanite gods).
Isabelle, the Spanish queen, was one of the causes for the troubles of the
Jewish people of Spain.
There was a gap of about 2300 years between these two nasty characters, and
nothing seems to have changed :-))

B. Elisheva, which is the Hebrew name for Elisabeth, was the mother of
Achab, and wife of King Solomon.
I don't see any connection between Elisabeth and Isabelle, rather than a
Freudian mistake, made by a rabbi, whose mistake became fact :-))

Best regards,
Udi Cain, Israel


Re: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

E. Snyder <snydee@...>
 

I knew someone named Isabelle and her Hebrew/Yiddish name was Esther Baila.
Hope that helps.
Esther Snyder


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

E. Snyder <snydee@...>
 

I knew someone named Isabelle and her Hebrew/Yiddish name was Esther Baila.
Hope that helps.
Esther Snyder


Re: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

My cousin Isabelle is named for her grandmother Sarah. Of course Isabelle
sounds like Jezabel which is a biblical name, but you don't want to go that
route.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: news [mailto:news@hunter.news.rcn.net]On Behalf Of Joy Weaver
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:21 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Jewish name for Isabelle?

While all these posts are flowing about Yiddish or Hebrew names, I
thought this might be a good time to ask about my middle name. I was
named Joyce Isabelle. The Joyce was for my mgm, Sheina/ Jean, and the
Isabelle for my pgf, Isadore/ Yitzak. I was never given a Jewish
equivalent for the middle name. A rabbi once told me I could use
Elisheva, but that doesn't seem to sit right. Any thoughts?

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

My cousin Isabelle is named for her grandmother Sarah. Of course Isabelle
sounds like Jezabel which is a biblical name, but you don't want to go that
route.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: news [mailto:news@hunter.news.rcn.net]On Behalf Of Joy Weaver
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:21 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Jewish name for Isabelle?

While all these posts are flowing about Yiddish or Hebrew names, I
thought this might be a good time to ask about my middle name. I was
named Joyce Isabelle. The Joyce was for my mgm, Sheina/ Jean, and the
Isabelle for my pgf, Isadore/ Yitzak. I was never given a Jewish
equivalent for the middle name. A rabbi once told me I could use
Elisheva, but that doesn't seem to sit right. Any thoughts?

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY


JGS of Michigan presents: Yale Reisner - May 16th #general

Marc D. Manson <mdmcousa@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Michigan, The Holocaust Education Coalition
and Congregation B'nai Moshe invite you to a very special presentation by YALE
REISNER of Warsaw, Poland.

Raising Atlantis: Restoring Jewish Memory in Poland

Sunday, May 16, 2004
Congregation B'nai Moshe - 6800 Drake Rd., West Bloomfield
Program begins at 11:30 a.m. - Admission: $7.00 at the door
Reception and Discussion to Follow

Poland's Jews, for centuries the world's largest Jewish community, constituted
a social and cultural force within Poland and beyond, as influential as the
great society of Atlantis. That civilization, too, was swept away in the
cataclysm of the Holocaust. Those losses are still acutely felt in Poland.

Yale is traveling >from Warsaw to describe some of the ways in which Jewish
memory is being sought out and, to some degree, restored in Poland today. He
will speak of the work of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation, as well as of a
growing network of institutions, initiatives and individuals that are gradually
discovering, protecting and restoring many Jewish elements to Poland's
historical and cultural landscape

Yale J. Reisner founded the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy Project at
the Jewish Historical Institute of Poland in 1994. The Lauder Foundation is a
non-profit Jewish educational foundation active in 16 Central & East European
countries.

Mr. Reisner holds degrees in East Central European Studies >from Columbia
College and the Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy and has studied at Hebrew
University, the Jewish Theological Seminary, Villanova University, the YIVO
Institute and the U.S. National Archives. He has lectured and published
articles in the USA, Canada, France and Poland.

For further information, please e-mail: JGSprograms@aol.com

Marc D. Manson
JGS of Michigan

MAN'SKIJ > MANSON (Volkovysk; Slonim; NY NY; Detroit MI; Buhl MN)
WAGNER (Drogobych, Austria; South Bend, IN; Toledo, OH)
MAC > MATZ (Skaryszew, Radom, Poland)
POMERANTZ (Brest-Litovsk, Belarus)
TURUFF > TUREFF (Russia; New York) BROCK (New York)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Michigan presents: Yale Reisner - May 16th #general

Marc D. Manson <mdmcousa@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Michigan, The Holocaust Education Coalition
and Congregation B'nai Moshe invite you to a very special presentation by YALE
REISNER of Warsaw, Poland.

Raising Atlantis: Restoring Jewish Memory in Poland

Sunday, May 16, 2004
Congregation B'nai Moshe - 6800 Drake Rd., West Bloomfield
Program begins at 11:30 a.m. - Admission: $7.00 at the door
Reception and Discussion to Follow

Poland's Jews, for centuries the world's largest Jewish community, constituted
a social and cultural force within Poland and beyond, as influential as the
great society of Atlantis. That civilization, too, was swept away in the
cataclysm of the Holocaust. Those losses are still acutely felt in Poland.

Yale is traveling >from Warsaw to describe some of the ways in which Jewish
memory is being sought out and, to some degree, restored in Poland today. He
will speak of the work of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation, as well as of a
growing network of institutions, initiatives and individuals that are gradually
discovering, protecting and restoring many Jewish elements to Poland's
historical and cultural landscape

Yale J. Reisner founded the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy Project at
the Jewish Historical Institute of Poland in 1994. The Lauder Foundation is a
non-profit Jewish educational foundation active in 16 Central & East European
countries.

Mr. Reisner holds degrees in East Central European Studies >from Columbia
College and the Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy and has studied at Hebrew
University, the Jewish Theological Seminary, Villanova University, the YIVO
Institute and the U.S. National Archives. He has lectured and published
articles in the USA, Canada, France and Poland.

For further information, please e-mail: JGSprograms@aol.com

Marc D. Manson
JGS of Michigan

MAN'SKIJ > MANSON (Volkovysk; Slonim; NY NY; Detroit MI; Buhl MN)
WAGNER (Drogobych, Austria; South Bend, IN; Toledo, OH)
MAC > MATZ (Skaryszew, Radom, Poland)
POMERANTZ (Brest-Litovsk, Belarus)
TURUFF > TUREFF (Russia; New York) BROCK (New York)


death certificate #ukraine

Mona Panitz <mgpanitz@...>
 

Dear group,

I recently received a New York death certificate in error. If you
recognize the following information please contact me privately at:
mgpanitz@charter.net Mona Panitz, Long Beach, Ca,


Deceased: Sidney B. Gold , age 60, died May 24, 1967, address: 185 West
End Ave, N.Y.
wife: Esther Gold, mother: Rose Moskowitz, father: Morris Gold


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine death certificate #ukraine

Mona Panitz <mgpanitz@...>
 

Dear group,

I recently received a New York death certificate in error. If you
recognize the following information please contact me privately at:
mgpanitz@charter.net Mona Panitz, Long Beach, Ca,


Deceased: Sidney B. Gold , age 60, died May 24, 1967, address: 185 West
End Ave, N.Y.
wife: Esther Gold, mother: Rose Moskowitz, father: Morris Gold


seeking country of origin for GERBER Russia > Providence, RI via NYC #usa

Carole and Jim Early <carjim@...>
 

My g-gf HYMAN GERBER came to New York in 1885. All records (declaration of
intent, citizenship papers, census reports, death certificate) indicate that
he was born in "Russia" . Russia is a big place - I have no idea where.
Anyone have an idea which records might indicate anything morespecific?

Carole Early Vineyard Haven, MA carjim@erols.com


Early American SIG #USA seeking country of origin for GERBER Russia > Providence, RI via NYC #usa

Carole and Jim Early <carjim@...>
 

My g-gf HYMAN GERBER came to New York in 1885. All records (declaration of
intent, citizenship papers, census reports, death certificate) indicate that
he was born in "Russia" . Russia is a big place - I have no idea where.
Anyone have an idea which records might indicate anything morespecific?

Carole Early Vineyard Haven, MA carjim@erols.com


Bed-time Prayers #germany

Werner L. Frank <wlfrank@...>
 

Recently, I made the following inquiry as part of my attempt to recapture the
folkways and practices of our ancestors:

What formality did German-Jewish children follow at their bed time? In my own
case, it was the recitation of the portion >from Genesis 48:16, Jacob's blessing
to Joseph and his sons, beginning with "Ha-maloch Ha-goel oti mikol rah..."
(May the angel that redeems, protect me >from harm....).

I received the following replies:

Your posting was very interesting. . . I often wondered where that
particular prayer came from. . . it was what my father taught me to say, in
addition to the Shema. . . I had found the prayer at one time in an old
book of children's prayers. . . as an excerpt. . . but had no idea from
whence it came. It was taught to me back in the 1940's. . . here in the
USA. *******************

Also as a child, my mom of blessed memory said Hamalech with me and Shema
and then we said it with our children when they were young and now they do it with
their children. *****************************

that and Shema. Also the bracha "barukh ata . . hamapil shena `al `eynay . . .
(who causes sleep to fall on my eyes . . . .) of which I liked the concluding
btakha especially: "Barukh . . . heme'ir la`olam kulo bikhvodo
(who with his glory illuminates the entire world"
--because it contained my Heb. name, Me'ir. And also, three times, the names of
the archangels on each of my four sides, and the Shekhina of God above me.
And also "rigzu ve'al techetu" ***************************

My deceased father would recite that same prayer with me at bedtime.
All I remember is what you wrote above. You brought back some fond memories.
*****************************

Werner L. FRANK Calabasas, CA USA wlfrank@pacbell.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Replies by private email to Mr. Frank only, please.


German SIG #Germany Bed-time Prayers #germany

Werner L. Frank <wlfrank@...>
 

Recently, I made the following inquiry as part of my attempt to recapture the
folkways and practices of our ancestors:

What formality did German-Jewish children follow at their bed time? In my own
case, it was the recitation of the portion >from Genesis 48:16, Jacob's blessing
to Joseph and his sons, beginning with "Ha-maloch Ha-goel oti mikol rah..."
(May the angel that redeems, protect me >from harm....).

I received the following replies:

Your posting was very interesting. . . I often wondered where that
particular prayer came from. . . it was what my father taught me to say, in
addition to the Shema. . . I had found the prayer at one time in an old
book of children's prayers. . . as an excerpt. . . but had no idea from
whence it came. It was taught to me back in the 1940's. . . here in the
USA. *******************

Also as a child, my mom of blessed memory said Hamalech with me and Shema
and then we said it with our children when they were young and now they do it with
their children. *****************************

that and Shema. Also the bracha "barukh ata . . hamapil shena `al `eynay . . .
(who causes sleep to fall on my eyes . . . .) of which I liked the concluding
btakha especially: "Barukh . . . heme'ir la`olam kulo bikhvodo
(who with his glory illuminates the entire world"
--because it contained my Heb. name, Me'ir. And also, three times, the names of
the archangels on each of my four sides, and the Shekhina of God above me.
And also "rigzu ve'al techetu" ***************************

My deceased father would recite that same prayer with me at bedtime.
All I remember is what you wrote above. You brought back some fond memories.
*****************************

Werner L. FRANK Calabasas, CA USA wlfrank@pacbell.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Replies by private email to Mr. Frank only, please.