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Re: Could Baruch be David? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article <5D1AEF66.5AD36F8F.026004C9@aol.com>, <MarilWebb@aol.com> wrote:

While we are on names, I wonder if Baruch could be David? (I can't find
my great-grandfather on any ship manifest and Baruch is the only name
that comes close to when he might have come. Any thoughts?)
There's no particular linguistic, phonetic or historical connection
between these two names. Of course it's entirely possible that Baruch
decided to change his name, and chose "David" simply because he liked
it.

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Could Baruch be David? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article <5D1AEF66.5AD36F8F.026004C9@aol.com>, <MarilWebb@aol.com> wrote:

While we are on names, I wonder if Baruch could be David? (I can't find
my great-grandfather on any ship manifest and Baruch is the only name
that comes close to when he might have come. Any thoughts?)
There's no particular linguistic, phonetic or historical connection
between these two names. Of course it's entirely possible that Baruch
decided to change his name, and chose "David" simply because he liked
it.

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Re: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article <003f01c436a2$cbf4dac0$eda75052@udi4b3tuqi4slv>,
chaikin <chaikin@bezeqint.net> wrote:

I don't see any connection between Elisabeth and Isabelle, rather than a
Freudian mistake, made by a rabbi, whose mistake became fact :-))
See for instance

<http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/i/isabel.html>
and
<http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/english/is/isabel.html>

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article <003f01c436a2$cbf4dac0$eda75052@udi4b3tuqi4slv>,
chaikin <chaikin@bezeqint.net> wrote:

I don't see any connection between Elisabeth and Isabelle, rather than a
Freudian mistake, made by a rabbi, whose mistake became fact :-))
See for instance

<http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/i/isabel.html>
and
<http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/english/is/isabel.html>

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


FREIDMAN COHEN IVENER #general

Susan Morgan <res0rf15@...>
 

Shalom y'all!
I have just spent the weekend with my Grandfather and received some new
information. I found out that both of my Ggrandparents came as young
children >from Russia. My Ggrandfather came at the age of 12, and spent some
time at an orphan asylum before joining his siblings in Iowa. His name was
"John" IVENER, but of course, John was not his original name. however, my
Gfather does not know the original Jewish name.
My Ggrandmother's name was Ida FREIDMAN, and she came >from Russia at age 9.
she had 2 brothers, names, Harry and Louis.

COHEN
My grandmother's maiden name was Lillian COHEN, she had a sister named
Frances. they were both married to my grandfather (at different times)
Arthur "Archie" IVENER. Lillian and Frances' parents were Abe and Molly
COHEN. who I believe also came >from Russia.

I am very new at Genealogy, and I am also at a loss at understanding Jewish
customs, names,etc... because I was raised by adopted parents in a Christian
home.

I am researching this so I can pass down my heritage to my sons.

Any information would be helpful and very much appreciated!

Have a blessed week!

for His Glory,

Susan Morgan
sskb.morgan@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FREIDMAN COHEN IVENER #general

Susan Morgan <res0rf15@...>
 

Shalom y'all!
I have just spent the weekend with my Grandfather and received some new
information. I found out that both of my Ggrandparents came as young
children >from Russia. My Ggrandfather came at the age of 12, and spent some
time at an orphan asylum before joining his siblings in Iowa. His name was
"John" IVENER, but of course, John was not his original name. however, my
Gfather does not know the original Jewish name.
My Ggrandmother's name was Ida FREIDMAN, and she came >from Russia at age 9.
she had 2 brothers, names, Harry and Louis.

COHEN
My grandmother's maiden name was Lillian COHEN, she had a sister named
Frances. they were both married to my grandfather (at different times)
Arthur "Archie" IVENER. Lillian and Frances' parents were Abe and Molly
COHEN. who I believe also came >from Russia.

I am very new at Genealogy, and I am also at a loss at understanding Jewish
customs, names,etc... because I was raised by adopted parents in a Christian
home.

I am researching this so I can pass down my heritage to my sons.

Any information would be helpful and very much appreciated!

Have a blessed week!

for His Glory,

Susan Morgan
sskb.morgan@verizon.net


Poland agrees to preserve Jewish cultural sites #general

m.steinberg@...
 

Hello All,

You can find a story in today's Haaretz, describing the signing of an
agreement between the United States and Poland to preserve Jewish
cultural sites remaining >from the World War II Nazi occupation of
Poland at the following site:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/426498.html

All the best,
Moshe Steinberg
Vancouver, Canada

WAGNER, ADLER, EDER--Jezierzany, Grabowce, Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce, Losiacz
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES--Hrubieszow, Uchanie, Lublin, California, Iowa
SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN--Zaleshchiki, Borszczow, New York City,
Israel
GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN, GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER
Czernowitz, Israel, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Poland agrees to preserve Jewish cultural sites #general

m.steinberg@...
 

Hello All,

You can find a story in today's Haaretz, describing the signing of an
agreement between the United States and Poland to preserve Jewish
cultural sites remaining >from the World War II Nazi occupation of
Poland at the following site:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/426498.html

All the best,
Moshe Steinberg
Vancouver, Canada

WAGNER, ADLER, EDER--Jezierzany, Grabowce, Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce, Losiacz
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES--Hrubieszow, Uchanie, Lublin, California, Iowa
SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN--Zaleshchiki, Borszczow, New York City,
Israel
GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN, GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER
Czernowitz, Israel, USA


is proof of death needed for someone born in 1873? #general

philafrum
 

Genners,

Thanks to the many people who shared their personal experiences with FOIA
(Freedom of Information Act) requests. The consensus was that most thinking
people wouldn't doubt that someone born in 1873 would no longer be alive. A
few people even suggested submitting a copy of a census report as
verification that the person was born way back then.

I spoke to someone in the FOIA office in Washington, DC earlier today, and
she indicated that proof of death would not be necessary in this case.

Thanks also to those who searched in the Florida and NYC death indexes to
provide me date of death and death certificate information for Sam Pack. My
feeling is that he died in NYC, not Florida, because the NYC information
more closely coincided with other previously known details.

Jewish Genners remain a very helpful bunch. I've long known that, but it's
always good to have one's hunches confirmed.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@comcast.net
Cherry Hill, NJ

Searching:
MANDELSTEIN/MENDELSTEIN/MENDELSOHN (Starokonstantinov)
ADELMAN/EDELMAN (Krasilov) UDIN, BURSTEIN, WINARSKY (Kiev)
KALMANOWITZ, LISNITZER (Kamenets Podolskiy, Zaslaw)
FISHMAN/FISZMAN, FINKEL (Terespol) BURSTEIN (Radomyshl)
PRESSEISEN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen is proof of death needed for someone born in 1873? #general

philafrum
 

Genners,

Thanks to the many people who shared their personal experiences with FOIA
(Freedom of Information Act) requests. The consensus was that most thinking
people wouldn't doubt that someone born in 1873 would no longer be alive. A
few people even suggested submitting a copy of a census report as
verification that the person was born way back then.

I spoke to someone in the FOIA office in Washington, DC earlier today, and
she indicated that proof of death would not be necessary in this case.

Thanks also to those who searched in the Florida and NYC death indexes to
provide me date of death and death certificate information for Sam Pack. My
feeling is that he died in NYC, not Florida, because the NYC information
more closely coincided with other previously known details.

Jewish Genners remain a very helpful bunch. I've long known that, but it's
always good to have one's hunches confirmed.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@comcast.net
Cherry Hill, NJ

Searching:
MANDELSTEIN/MENDELSTEIN/MENDELSOHN (Starokonstantinov)
ADELMAN/EDELMAN (Krasilov) UDIN, BURSTEIN, WINARSKY (Kiev)
KALMANOWITZ, LISNITZER (Kamenets Podolskiy, Zaslaw)
FISHMAN/FISZMAN, FINKEL (Terespol) BURSTEIN (Radomyshl)
PRESSEISEN


Re: searching for death certificate of Sam PACK #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Evan, I haven't yet come across any repositories in New York City that
require proof of death in order to get a naturalization record. If you tell
us which government agency told you that you need such proof, perhaps we can
give you some advice.

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

JEWISHGEN Digest for Monday, May 10, 2004.
Subject: searching for death certificate of Sam PACK
From: "Evan Fishman" <ebf2001@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 01:13:50 -0400
X-Message-Number: 14

Genners,

I'd like to send a Freedom of Information Act request in order to get
naturalization information for a Sam(uel) PACK, but I need to provide
proof of his death.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: searching for death certificate of Sam PACK #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Evan, I haven't yet come across any repositories in New York City that
require proof of death in order to get a naturalization record. If you tell
us which government agency told you that you need such proof, perhaps we can
give you some advice.

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

JEWISHGEN Digest for Monday, May 10, 2004.
Subject: searching for death certificate of Sam PACK
From: "Evan Fishman" <ebf2001@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 01:13:50 -0400
X-Message-Number: 14

Genners,

I'd like to send a Freedom of Information Act request in order to get
naturalization information for a Sam(uel) PACK, but I need to provide
proof of his death.


Re: Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home, Rockaway Beach, Queens,NY #general

MSpearssol@...
 

On 11 May 2004, babycat3@aol.com (BABYCAT3) writes:



<<I am interested in finding out more about a child who was listed as an
"inmate" at this institution according to the 1930 Census. Has anyone had
any experience with trying to get record copies or some sort of data to
find out who the birth parents were?

Any advice welcomed.

Thank you,
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@aol.com>>

The records for the Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home, which was located
in Rockaway Beach, Queens, NY, are now held by the Jewish Child Care
Association which is the successor to many of the New York area Jewish Orphanages.

To receive the records, write to the address below, giving as much
information you have on the child, such as full name and approximate dates of residence.

JCCA
Jewish Child Care Association of New York
120 Wall Street
New York, NY 1000
Tel: (212)425-3333 * Fax: (212)425-9397
Attn: Leona M. Ferrer, Disclosure Coordinator

Marge Spears-Soloff
MSpearssol@aol.com
Orlando, FL
HNOHalumni@aol.com
HNOH Welcome - Jewish Orphanages in the United States
http://www.hnoh.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home, Rockaway Beach, Queens,NY #general

MSpearssol@...
 

On 11 May 2004, babycat3@aol.com (BABYCAT3) writes:



<<I am interested in finding out more about a child who was listed as an
"inmate" at this institution according to the 1930 Census. Has anyone had
any experience with trying to get record copies or some sort of data to
find out who the birth parents were?

Any advice welcomed.

Thank you,
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@aol.com>>

The records for the Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home, which was located
in Rockaway Beach, Queens, NY, are now held by the Jewish Child Care
Association which is the successor to many of the New York area Jewish Orphanages.

To receive the records, write to the address below, giving as much
information you have on the child, such as full name and approximate dates of residence.

JCCA
Jewish Child Care Association of New York
120 Wall Street
New York, NY 1000
Tel: (212)425-3333 * Fax: (212)425-9397
Attn: Leona M. Ferrer, Disclosure Coordinator

Marge Spears-Soloff
MSpearssol@aol.com
Orlando, FL
HNOHalumni@aol.com
HNOH Welcome - Jewish Orphanages in the United States
http://www.hnoh.com


Re: Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home, Rockaway Beach, Queens,NY #general

David Turetsky <davidturetsky@...>
 

The Jewish Child Care Association in New York City may be a potential
source of information, depending on whether they were a successor
agency. Similarly, the Federation of Jewish Philanthropies

On West 16th Street in Manhattan, YIVO and a number of other groups have
joined together in the same physical plant. In that building is a
library of genealogical and similar information, and they may have
information on such institutions, or directories to point you to other
sources

Another potential resource is the Municipal Archives in lower Manhattan.
Similarly, the Museum of the City of New York. The Municipal Archives
contains records of birth certificates going back to that period. They
are available on microfilm for a nominal fee. Presumably, if you can
locate the child's birth certificate, that will point you to the parents

There are a number of books describing life in some of those
institutions. Hnoh.com lists several. The narrative in those books may
direct you to other resources

One such successor institution is in a cluster of resources for Jewish
children in Far Rockaway, Queeens, at 2540 Beach Channel Drive. Perhaps
they might know something further about the particular institution you
reference

--
David

-----Original Message-----
From: BABYCAT3 [mailto:babycat3@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 11:27 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home, Rockaway Beach, Queens,NY

I am interested in finding out more about a child who was listed as an
"inmate" at this institution according to the 1930 Census. Has anyone
had any experience with trying to get record copies or some sort of data
to find out who the birth parents were?
Any advice welcomed.
Thank you,
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home, Rockaway Beach, Queens,NY #general

David Turetsky <davidturetsky@...>
 

The Jewish Child Care Association in New York City may be a potential
source of information, depending on whether they were a successor
agency. Similarly, the Federation of Jewish Philanthropies

On West 16th Street in Manhattan, YIVO and a number of other groups have
joined together in the same physical plant. In that building is a
library of genealogical and similar information, and they may have
information on such institutions, or directories to point you to other
sources

Another potential resource is the Municipal Archives in lower Manhattan.
Similarly, the Museum of the City of New York. The Municipal Archives
contains records of birth certificates going back to that period. They
are available on microfilm for a nominal fee. Presumably, if you can
locate the child's birth certificate, that will point you to the parents

There are a number of books describing life in some of those
institutions. Hnoh.com lists several. The narrative in those books may
direct you to other resources

One such successor institution is in a cluster of resources for Jewish
children in Far Rockaway, Queeens, at 2540 Beach Channel Drive. Perhaps
they might know something further about the particular institution you
reference

--
David

-----Original Message-----
From: BABYCAT3 [mailto:babycat3@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 11:27 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home, Rockaway Beach, Queens,NY

I am interested in finding out more about a child who was listed as an
"inmate" at this institution according to the 1930 Census. Has anyone
had any experience with trying to get record copies or some sort of data
to find out who the birth parents were?
Any advice welcomed.
Thank you,
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@aol.com


Re: Americanization of Russian Names #belarus

Avrohom Krauss <krauss@...>
 

Don't rule out the possibility of "WALKER" as the original name! Bear in
mind that some surnames retained their original spelling and only
pronounciation was Americanized. "WALKER" would be pronouced "VALKER" or
"VOLKER" ("W" pronouced as "V" and the letter "L" pronounced) by a European,
but still spelled "WALKER." Using the Stephen Morse "Jewish Passenger Form"
for EIDB and plugging in "WALKER" yielded numerous hits, including
immigrants >from Russia. Alternately, using Alexander Beider's "A Dictionary
of Jewish surnames >from The Russian Empire, one finds "VIL'KER or VIL"KHER
amongst other possibilities. "OSCAR" is found on EIDB but seemingly only
used by those >from France. Again with Beider's book, one finds "AUSKER."
(>from Minsk).. A possibility which is less similar is "ASCHER." This name is
found on EIDB and includes those >from Russia. (Take two examples, one Isador
ASCHER, listed >from LODZ, Russia and another, Israel ACHER >from LADZ (=
Lodz) Russia which is today in Poland. Perhaps searching for a match of
surname with town(s) of origin >from the Grodno area would prove successful.

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel

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I am trying to find

out their original surnames before they were Americanized to
WALKER and OSCAR.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Americanization of Russian Names #belarus

Avrohom Krauss <krauss@...>
 

Don't rule out the possibility of "WALKER" as the original name! Bear in
mind that some surnames retained their original spelling and only
pronounciation was Americanized. "WALKER" would be pronouced "VALKER" or
"VOLKER" ("W" pronouced as "V" and the letter "L" pronounced) by a European,
but still spelled "WALKER." Using the Stephen Morse "Jewish Passenger Form"
for EIDB and plugging in "WALKER" yielded numerous hits, including
immigrants >from Russia. Alternately, using Alexander Beider's "A Dictionary
of Jewish surnames >from The Russian Empire, one finds "VIL'KER or VIL"KHER
amongst other possibilities. "OSCAR" is found on EIDB but seemingly only
used by those >from France. Again with Beider's book, one finds "AUSKER."
(>from Minsk).. A possibility which is less similar is "ASCHER." This name is
found on EIDB and includes those >from Russia. (Take two examples, one Isador
ASCHER, listed >from LODZ, Russia and another, Israel ACHER >from LADZ (=
Lodz) Russia which is today in Poland. Perhaps searching for a match of
surname with town(s) of origin >from the Grodno area would prove successful.

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
I am trying to find

out their original surnames before they were Americanized to
WALKER and OSCAR.


Dayan Bistritz, R' Uziel MEISELS (Sefer Divrie Uziel ) #rabbinic

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

Hi,

Does anybody have any information regarding the offspring of Dayan
Bistritz, R' Uziel MEISELS. He was born 1859 in Bardejov, and died
July 21, 1932 in Bistritz. He married Chana Mindel HERPUDAR,
daughter of Naftali HERPUDAR and Rivka SCHONFELD. She was born
1860, and died September 17, 1939 in Bistritz. She was a
great-granddaughter of the Bnei Yissoschur. R' Uziel MEISELS
authored Sefer Divrie Uziel and ben Uziel. He was a Rav in Kamarnik.
Dayan first in Chechoyv and then in Bistritz where he died.

There are three known children:

(1) Zviyah (married GEWERTZMAN)
(2) Bracha (married WALDMAN)
(3) Peril (married MEISELS)

Thanks!

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn NY
mailto:moishe@langsam.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Dayan Bistritz, R' Uziel MEISELS (Sefer Divrie Uziel ) #rabbinic

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

Hi,

Does anybody have any information regarding the offspring of Dayan
Bistritz, R' Uziel MEISELS. He was born 1859 in Bardejov, and died
July 21, 1932 in Bistritz. He married Chana Mindel HERPUDAR,
daughter of Naftali HERPUDAR and Rivka SCHONFELD. She was born
1860, and died September 17, 1939 in Bistritz. She was a
great-granddaughter of the Bnei Yissoschur. R' Uziel MEISELS
authored Sefer Divrie Uziel and ben Uziel. He was a Rav in Kamarnik.
Dayan first in Chechoyv and then in Bistritz where he died.

There are three known children:

(1) Zviyah (married GEWERTZMAN)
(2) Bracha (married WALDMAN)
(3) Peril (married MEISELS)

Thanks!

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn NY
mailto:moishe@langsam.com