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Koenigsbuch Brothers-Kindertransport-Help Needed in NY and #general

Alice Josephs
 

I would suggest a number of avenues:

1) Contact The Jewish Refugees Committee, World Jewish Relief,
The Forum, 74/80 Camden Street, London NW1 0EG
Telephone +44 (0) 20 7691 1781. Fax +44 (0) 20 7691 1780
Email WJR1@...

If the boys changed the surname (and you are probably right
that they did), the Committee will probably know because they
would have dealt with the brothers over German compensation claims.
The Committee can play their cards very close to their chest,
but persevere with them. I learnt the married name of mother's
second cousin (whom my mother didn't know in Germany) >from them and
the city in which she was last known to have lived. >from that,
I discovered her in the BT telephone directory (www.bt.com)
and reunited her also with her cousin in the USA. She thought
all her family had died.

2) If they did change their name in the UK, the change of
name may have appeared in the London Gazette. You could try
a search there.
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0

3) You could try writing to the Jewish Chronicle, www.thejc.com,
the Jewish news, www.totallyjewish.com and the Jewish Telegraph,
www.jewishtelegraph.co.uk with the story and they may take it up.

4) You could also put a search advertisement in Aufbau
www.aufbauonline.com

5) I think either the Daily Mail Saturday edition or the
Mail on Sunday www.dailymail.com, national UK newspapers,
has a search column which picks one story to do a week.
You could try contacting them (it may be better to phone rather
than email because of the volume of emails a national newspaper
gets per day).

6) As you know the young man was a journalist in New York and the
approximate dates, you could try contacting journalist organizations
and ask them to put out an appeal.

Hope this helps.

Alice Josephs
UK


<<Subject: Koenigsbuch Brothers-Kindertransport-Help Needed in NY and
England
From: Abuwasta Abuwasta <abuwasta@...>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 3

Dear Genners,
I posted in the past an enquiry about 2 of my late
mother's remote relatives the brothers Rolf and Kurt
Max Koenigsbuch born in 1929 and 1931 respectively in
Hamburg. They were on the Kindertransport and survived
the war in Birmingham. They never participated in the
Kindertransport reunions and we lost their traces
though they are most probably still active somewhere.
Last week I discovered their 95 years old first cousin
Erna Teichteil-Koenigsbuch in Johannesburg through a
wonderful Genners' participation.
On Monday I got an email >from a remote relative of
them who lives in Buenos Aires which reported to me
that between 1969-1970 she lived in New York and that
her father put an ad in a local newspaper looking for
Koenigsbuchs.She wrote to me the following:"and a big
surprise came ,a young man living a short time in N.Y.
he was a journalist and I remember he said he got a
brother in England.This must be Kurt or Rolf.We never
more got in touch with them".
I checked in Birmingham and Manchester and through
most of the normal places and I believe that only one
of our genner brethern ,through personal knowledge,
may put me on track again. I am quite convinced that
they changed their name. There are 2 Kurt Koenigs
registered in NY State white pages.One has a recording
the second is a fax.There are no Koenigsbuchs in all
of the USA(only my cousins Kingsbook in California).
Trusting You
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Koenigsbuch Brothers-Kindertransport-Help Needed in NY and #general

Alice Josephs
 

I would suggest a number of avenues:

1) Contact The Jewish Refugees Committee, World Jewish Relief,
The Forum, 74/80 Camden Street, London NW1 0EG
Telephone +44 (0) 20 7691 1781. Fax +44 (0) 20 7691 1780
Email WJR1@...

If the boys changed the surname (and you are probably right
that they did), the Committee will probably know because they
would have dealt with the brothers over German compensation claims.
The Committee can play their cards very close to their chest,
but persevere with them. I learnt the married name of mother's
second cousin (whom my mother didn't know in Germany) >from them and
the city in which she was last known to have lived. >from that,
I discovered her in the BT telephone directory (www.bt.com)
and reunited her also with her cousin in the USA. She thought
all her family had died.

2) If they did change their name in the UK, the change of
name may have appeared in the London Gazette. You could try
a search there.
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0

3) You could try writing to the Jewish Chronicle, www.thejc.com,
the Jewish news, www.totallyjewish.com and the Jewish Telegraph,
www.jewishtelegraph.co.uk with the story and they may take it up.

4) You could also put a search advertisement in Aufbau
www.aufbauonline.com

5) I think either the Daily Mail Saturday edition or the
Mail on Sunday www.dailymail.com, national UK newspapers,
has a search column which picks one story to do a week.
You could try contacting them (it may be better to phone rather
than email because of the volume of emails a national newspaper
gets per day).

6) As you know the young man was a journalist in New York and the
approximate dates, you could try contacting journalist organizations
and ask them to put out an appeal.

Hope this helps.

Alice Josephs
UK


<<Subject: Koenigsbuch Brothers-Kindertransport-Help Needed in NY and
England
From: Abuwasta Abuwasta <abuwasta@...>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 3

Dear Genners,
I posted in the past an enquiry about 2 of my late
mother's remote relatives the brothers Rolf and Kurt
Max Koenigsbuch born in 1929 and 1931 respectively in
Hamburg. They were on the Kindertransport and survived
the war in Birmingham. They never participated in the
Kindertransport reunions and we lost their traces
though they are most probably still active somewhere.
Last week I discovered their 95 years old first cousin
Erna Teichteil-Koenigsbuch in Johannesburg through a
wonderful Genners' participation.
On Monday I got an email >from a remote relative of
them who lives in Buenos Aires which reported to me
that between 1969-1970 she lived in New York and that
her father put an ad in a local newspaper looking for
Koenigsbuchs.She wrote to me the following:"and a big
surprise came ,a young man living a short time in N.Y.
he was a journalist and I remember he said he got a
brother in England.This must be Kurt or Rolf.We never
more got in touch with them".
I checked in Birmingham and Manchester and through
most of the normal places and I believe that only one
of our genner brethern ,through personal knowledge,
may put me on track again. I am quite convinced that
they changed their name. There are 2 Kurt Koenigs
registered in NY State white pages.One has a recording
the second is a fax.There are no Koenigsbuchs in all
of the USA(only my cousins Kingsbook in California).
Trusting You
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem>>


VM4121 - Request translation of Russian postcard #general

Bob Wexler <rwexler@...>
 

I would appreciate a translation of the handwritten postcard
from Belarus in Russian (I believe, but do not know).
The image is posted as VM4121,

and can be viewed directly at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4121

Please reply privately to: rwexler@...

Thank you.

Bob Wexler
South Wales, NY (Buffalo area)
Reply to: rwexler@...
WEXLER (alt. WECHSLER), Lenitz, Shpola, Odessa, Ukraine
ADLER, Tulchin, Odessa, Ukraine
SIMON (orig. SCHEN), Beschenkovichi & Kublichi, Vitebsk gubernia, Belarus
NOTARIUS (alt. NATARIUS), Chashniki, Vitebsk gubernia, Belarus
GREENBERG/TRAEGER/SOKOL, Tiraspol, Moldova; Odessa, Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM4121 - Request translation of Russian postcard #general

Bob Wexler <rwexler@...>
 

I would appreciate a translation of the handwritten postcard
from Belarus in Russian (I believe, but do not know).
The image is posted as VM4121,

and can be viewed directly at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4121

Please reply privately to: rwexler@...

Thank you.

Bob Wexler
South Wales, NY (Buffalo area)
Reply to: rwexler@...
WEXLER (alt. WECHSLER), Lenitz, Shpola, Odessa, Ukraine
ADLER, Tulchin, Odessa, Ukraine
SIMON (orig. SCHEN), Beschenkovichi & Kublichi, Vitebsk gubernia, Belarus
NOTARIUS (alt. NATARIUS), Chashniki, Vitebsk gubernia, Belarus
GREENBERG/TRAEGER/SOKOL, Tiraspol, Moldova; Odessa, Ukraine


Re: clarification of FOIA request address #general

Hazanjo <hazanjo@...>
 

from what was said to me yesterday, any FOIA request sent to another office
which is a genealogy request will ultimately be sent to the Missouri office.
I sent all of my requests to USCIS Records Unit in Arlington, VA, but so far
they've all been transferred to Missouri. If you're uncertain, call them
(816-350-5570).

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Researching: HABER - Zhurów, Galicia; STARK - Warsaw, Poland;
SADOVSKI/SADOWSKY - Belchatów & Lodz, Poland;
KANET/KANNETT/KANNATT - Czyzewo, Poland

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane Goldman" <dgoldman@...>


Thanks for sharing this, Hazel. But could you clarify? (Or could
someone else clarify, if they know the answer to my question below?)

Does this refer to FOIA requests previously sent to INS?
Or is it for any genealogy-related FOIA request, regardless of the U.S.
government office involved?

--Diane
Maryland, USA
snip>>>>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: clarification of FOIA request address #general

Hazanjo <hazanjo@...>
 

from what was said to me yesterday, any FOIA request sent to another office
which is a genealogy request will ultimately be sent to the Missouri office.
I sent all of my requests to USCIS Records Unit in Arlington, VA, but so far
they've all been transferred to Missouri. If you're uncertain, call them
(816-350-5570).

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Researching: HABER - Zhurów, Galicia; STARK - Warsaw, Poland;
SADOVSKI/SADOWSKY - Belchatów & Lodz, Poland;
KANET/KANNETT/KANNATT - Czyzewo, Poland

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane Goldman" <dgoldman@...>


Thanks for sharing this, Hazel. But could you clarify? (Or could
someone else clarify, if they know the answer to my question below?)

Does this refer to FOIA requests previously sent to INS?
Or is it for any genealogy-related FOIA request, regardless of the U.S.
government office involved?

--Diane
Maryland, USA
snip>>>>>


Romania SIG #Romania Romaina archives access - its up to us #romania

Yossi Z <Yossi@...>
 

Hi,

I don't know what does Rosanne means by international sources.

If any one of the members on the list write to its minister of foreign
affairs and its ambassador in Romania to protest to the Romanian
authorities then there's a chance that something will move.
The more protest they get the more likely they are to reverse the
decision.

IMHO

Yossi Zur
Email : Yossi@...
Web : http://www.Blondi.co.il


Romaina archives access - its up to us #romania

Yossi Z <Yossi@...>
 

Hi,

I don't know what does Rosanne means by international sources.

If any one of the members on the list write to its minister of foreign
affairs and its ambassador in Romania to protest to the Romanian
authorities then there's a chance that something will move.
The more protest they get the more likely they are to reverse the
decision.

IMHO

Yossi Zur
Email : Yossi@...
Web : http://www.Blondi.co.il


Hans J MORGENTHAU #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Hans J MORGENTHAU (Coburg 1904 - USA 1980) was the son
of Dr Ludwig MORGENTHAU and his wife Frieda, born
BACHMANN. Hans J was an important political scientist,
and also distantly related to me.

Did he marry? Did he have any children?

Can anyone provide me with more information about the
MORGENTHAU(of Coburg, I presume) and BACHMANN(of Munich) families?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@...>


German SIG #Germany Hans J MORGENTHAU #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Hans J MORGENTHAU (Coburg 1904 - USA 1980) was the son
of Dr Ludwig MORGENTHAU and his wife Frieda, born
BACHMANN. Hans J was an important political scientist,
and also distantly related to me.

Did he marry? Did he have any children?

Can anyone provide me with more information about the
MORGENTHAU(of Coburg, I presume) and BACHMANN(of Munich) families?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@...>


BONDI in Dresden 1700s #germany

Jan Bousse <janbousse@...>
 

I was intrigued by the mention of the name BONDI, BONDIA as variationS of the
name Yom Tov or JONTOV: "Kaganoff... noting...that the Hebrew Yom Tov
became Bondi and Bondia in France and Italy" (gersig May 25, 2004). This
seems logical, since BONDI and BONDIA sound like Ladino and would indeed
mean "good day". Would that denote a Sephardic origin of such families?

In fact I had seen the name in Dresden. In my search for the KASKELE bankers
in Dresden and the possible link between them and Henry CERF or Hirsch Levi,
I obtained >from the Saechsisches Hauptstaatsarchiv in Dresden several
lengthy lists and documents related to the established Jewish families in
Dresden in the second half of the 18th century. Most prominent is the BONDI
family. There are several in the list of tombs, the oldest is: BONDI, Isaac,
Hebrew name Jizchak Bondi ben Shimon Bondi, b. 1689/90, d. 25.03.1754.

Most interesting is in the list of Elders (Aeltesten der hiesigen
Judenschaft): Salomon Isaac BONDI. The list is dated 26 March 1775. In the
list of the Jewish families there is Salomon Simon BONDI. In another list of
Jewish families, dated 30 June 1773 the first name is Hoffactorin Bondi or
Bondea (not quite clear to read).

My question again, would that mean that the BONDI family was Sephardic and
came >from elsewhere, earlier? As I said, my search is mainly for KASKELE and
especially for the eldest son Jacob Judah KASKELE. He seems to have died
relatively young, perhaps 28 or 29 years old and I have not found any
mention of his place of death. A KASKEL, Jacob jr., 28 yr., late of Dresden,
appears in a list of members of the United City Lodge in London on 29 Jan.
1787. On the same list, on 24 Nov. 1785, is the name of Henry CERF, no
particulars. These two people must therefore have known each other and I am
exploring the possibility that there was a business link between them. I am
theorising that Henry CERF was in fact HIRSCH LEVI, who before 1771, then
aged 18, went to live in Dresden >from his native Liebenwalde. Did he change
his name HIRSCH into a Sephardic sounding CERF in Dresden under the
influence of the BONDI family? Was he sent to London by Bondi or by Kaskele?
These are the questions I am trying to solve. Perhaps some of you can give
me information or hints. I will of course with pleasure give information on
the names I have on these documents >from Dresden. Kind regards,

Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium <janbousse@...>


German SIG #Germany BONDI in Dresden 1700s #germany

Jan Bousse <janbousse@...>
 

I was intrigued by the mention of the name BONDI, BONDIA as variationS of the
name Yom Tov or JONTOV: "Kaganoff... noting...that the Hebrew Yom Tov
became Bondi and Bondia in France and Italy" (gersig May 25, 2004). This
seems logical, since BONDI and BONDIA sound like Ladino and would indeed
mean "good day". Would that denote a Sephardic origin of such families?

In fact I had seen the name in Dresden. In my search for the KASKELE bankers
in Dresden and the possible link between them and Henry CERF or Hirsch Levi,
I obtained >from the Saechsisches Hauptstaatsarchiv in Dresden several
lengthy lists and documents related to the established Jewish families in
Dresden in the second half of the 18th century. Most prominent is the BONDI
family. There are several in the list of tombs, the oldest is: BONDI, Isaac,
Hebrew name Jizchak Bondi ben Shimon Bondi, b. 1689/90, d. 25.03.1754.

Most interesting is in the list of Elders (Aeltesten der hiesigen
Judenschaft): Salomon Isaac BONDI. The list is dated 26 March 1775. In the
list of the Jewish families there is Salomon Simon BONDI. In another list of
Jewish families, dated 30 June 1773 the first name is Hoffactorin Bondi or
Bondea (not quite clear to read).

My question again, would that mean that the BONDI family was Sephardic and
came >from elsewhere, earlier? As I said, my search is mainly for KASKELE and
especially for the eldest son Jacob Judah KASKELE. He seems to have died
relatively young, perhaps 28 or 29 years old and I have not found any
mention of his place of death. A KASKEL, Jacob jr., 28 yr., late of Dresden,
appears in a list of members of the United City Lodge in London on 29 Jan.
1787. On the same list, on 24 Nov. 1785, is the name of Henry CERF, no
particulars. These two people must therefore have known each other and I am
exploring the possibility that there was a business link between them. I am
theorising that Henry CERF was in fact HIRSCH LEVI, who before 1771, then
aged 18, went to live in Dresden >from his native Liebenwalde. Did he change
his name HIRSCH into a Sephardic sounding CERF in Dresden under the
influence of the BONDI family? Was he sent to London by Bondi or by Kaskele?
These are the questions I am trying to solve. Perhaps some of you can give
me information or hints. I will of course with pleasure give information on
the names I have on these documents >from Dresden. Kind regards,

Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium <janbousse@...>


Rebecca REUBINSTEIN/GOLDBERG #general

Bryan Diamond <bdiamond@...>
 

Rebecca Reubinstein was born ca 1835 in Poland, cane to London,
England, by 1855, by then had married Nathan Goldberg,born
Poland ca 1836'37, by whom she had 3 children all born in
East End of London Hannah in 1860/61, Amelia and Louis in 1869.
Nathan died London 1872, Rebecca remarried Zyman Diamond.
I have not found their marriage in the English register
index. I should be grateful for any information
re their Polish origins.

Bryan C Diamond
London NW3
bdiamond@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rebecca REUBINSTEIN/GOLDBERG #general

Bryan Diamond <bdiamond@...>
 

Rebecca Reubinstein was born ca 1835 in Poland, cane to London,
England, by 1855, by then had married Nathan Goldberg,born
Poland ca 1836'37, by whom she had 3 children all born in
East End of London Hannah in 1860/61, Amelia and Louis in 1869.
Nathan died London 1872, Rebecca remarried Zyman Diamond.
I have not found their marriage in the English register
index. I should be grateful for any information
re their Polish origins.

Bryan C Diamond
London NW3
bdiamond@...


cityviews #general

Daniel Vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Dear genners,

Is it a equivalent website as visiocity in France available on
http://www.wanadoo.fr/bin/frame.cgi?service=utile_et_pratique&u=
http://photosvilles.wanadoo.fr
to visit New-York with pictures, with a adress or
from a building to the next in the same street?
Cordialy

Daniel VANGHELUWE
France


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen cityviews #general

Daniel Vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Dear genners,

Is it a equivalent website as visiocity in France available on
http://www.wanadoo.fr/bin/frame.cgi?service=utile_et_pratique&u=
http://photosvilles.wanadoo.fr
to visit New-York with pictures, with a adress or
from a building to the next in the same street?
Cordialy

Daniel VANGHELUWE
France


request #general

Sara Lynns
 

I am making a request
we all have different levels of knowledge, expertise,
experience and live in different regions of the U.S.
as well as abroad

when any of us on this listserv
posts a question, asks for help in family research,
it IS with the intent of putting together our family
history or perhaps locating lost family members

Please be sensitive to that when responding to a query
I have (>from time to time) received emails >from those
who are simply playing a "joke." It does not help.

thank you
Jackie Lerner-Aderman, Portland, OR


MODERATOR NOTE: All posts to the Discussion Group are first cleared
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen request #general

Sara Lynns
 

I am making a request
we all have different levels of knowledge, expertise,
experience and live in different regions of the U.S.
as well as abroad

when any of us on this listserv
posts a question, asks for help in family research,
it IS with the intent of putting together our family
history or perhaps locating lost family members

Please be sensitive to that when responding to a query
I have (>from time to time) received emails >from those
who are simply playing a "joke." It does not help.

thank you
Jackie Lerner-Aderman, Portland, OR


MODERATOR NOTE: All posts to the Discussion Group are first cleared
by the Moderator on Duty. But it may happen that "spammers" send
fake messages that purport to come >from genuine Jewishgenners.
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have genuine concerns with spam, please seek advice >from your
ISP or contact the JG Support Desk at support@...


Occupation of Riga during World War 1 #latvia

George Mason <gmason3815@...>
 

As part of trying to understand what my NATHANSON ancestors may have
experienced, I am attempting to learn more about Riga during the First
World War. I am assuming the occupation must have been between 1915
and 1918. For example, I understand that on September 1, 1917, there
was an attack by the German Eighth Army against the Russian Twelfth
Army that took place around Riga and involved some 575 pieces of
artillery across a 4,600 yard front.

I've tried a Google search and the information on occupied Riga is
rather sparse. Can anyone provide an overview of the occupation or
websites that have more information about this time? I hope this
isn't too far off-topic.

Thanks,
George Mason

Researching MOZESON and NATHANSON in Riga.


Latvia SIG #Latvia Occupation of Riga during World War 1 #latvia

George Mason <gmason3815@...>
 

As part of trying to understand what my NATHANSON ancestors may have
experienced, I am attempting to learn more about Riga during the First
World War. I am assuming the occupation must have been between 1915
and 1918. For example, I understand that on September 1, 1917, there
was an attack by the German Eighth Army against the Russian Twelfth
Army that took place around Riga and involved some 575 pieces of
artillery across a 4,600 yard front.

I've tried a Google search and the information on occupied Riga is
rather sparse. Can anyone provide an overview of the occupation or
websites that have more information about this time? I hope this
isn't too far off-topic.

Thanks,
George Mason

Researching MOZESON and NATHANSON in Riga.