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Lwow Ghetto list #galicia

Shana Green <charna18@...>
 

Dear All,

This is a revision of my message sent 8 Aug 04. I need help with what is in some
of the columns.

Subject: Lwow Ghetto list Begleitschnein.Verzeichnis der behobenen
Passierscheine Auto werkstatte.

I received a list of names >from the jgffalert. I need some help please
from the Galician members. I have several questions about information listed
(or not listed) in the columns of the Lwow Ghetto list and would appreciate
clarification:

ID FrameLine And ID Number. What does that mean?

Name and Nationality, no nationality is listed. Why not?

Birth Place. Some have a date and some have a town.

Address Residence. Here is what I do not understand as I read.
e.g. In Kaserne 1, many different people were living there. There is a
SCHUSTER and a SCHNEIDER living in Kaserne 1. Is this address in the
Ghetto or their home address?

Profession /Workplace. Is this what they did in the ghetto? What do the
column headings mean?
A list of names in Polish with columns ZMarl. Pogrzebano.
A list of names in German with columns. The heading was Verzeichnis.
VoruZuname Anschrift Bemrkung.

Can some one please clarify these for me? Please respond privately.

With gratitude,

Shana Green [Schuster]
Melbourne Australia
Reply to: charna18@bigpond.com

Looking for family: SCHUSTER, DRUKER, GOLDBERG, MULLER all >from Cieszanow,
Lviv and Dzikow Stary


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Lwow Ghetto list #galicia

Shana Green <charna18@...>
 

Dear All,

This is a revision of my message sent 8 Aug 04. I need help with what is in some
of the columns.

Subject: Lwow Ghetto list Begleitschnein.Verzeichnis der behobenen
Passierscheine Auto werkstatte.

I received a list of names >from the jgffalert. I need some help please
from the Galician members. I have several questions about information listed
(or not listed) in the columns of the Lwow Ghetto list and would appreciate
clarification:

ID FrameLine And ID Number. What does that mean?

Name and Nationality, no nationality is listed. Why not?

Birth Place. Some have a date and some have a town.

Address Residence. Here is what I do not understand as I read.
e.g. In Kaserne 1, many different people were living there. There is a
SCHUSTER and a SCHNEIDER living in Kaserne 1. Is this address in the
Ghetto or their home address?

Profession /Workplace. Is this what they did in the ghetto? What do the
column headings mean?
A list of names in Polish with columns ZMarl. Pogrzebano.
A list of names in German with columns. The heading was Verzeichnis.
VoruZuname Anschrift Bemrkung.

Can some one please clarify these for me? Please respond privately.

With gratitude,

Shana Green [Schuster]
Melbourne Australia
Reply to: charna18@bigpond.com

Looking for family: SCHUSTER, DRUKER, GOLDBERG, MULLER all >from Cieszanow,
Lviv and Dzikow Stary


Re: Zagorochka near Chodorow #galicia

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 8/8/04, Logan Kleinwaks kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
writes:

<< Has anyone encountered records concerning Zagorochka (49'23 24'19), which
is near Chodorow? This place also appears in the ShtetlSeeker under the names
Zagirochka and Zagurechko. What is its Yiddish name? Is it mentioned in
the Chodorow yizkor book? A KALTER relative of mine was apparently born
there around 1892, and his father supposedly still lived there in 1911.>>

I found an entry in my older edition of "Where We Once Walked" for
"Zagoreczko" in Poland. It had a pre-war Jewish population of (only)25. The book says
the Black Book says it is in the region of Lwow, but its name was not found in
the listings of the Board of Georgraphic Names.

I don't have a copy of the "Black Book of Polish Jewry", edited by Jacob
Apenszlak et al, eds. which may be the Black Book to which the editors of WWOW
referred, I have only the "Black Book of Russian Jewry" by Ilya Ehrenburg and
Vassily Grossman.

I didn't find an entry for any spelling of Zagorochka in Chester G. Cohen's
"Shtetl Finder Gazetteer.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Zagorochka near Chodorow #galicia

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 8/8/04, Logan Kleinwaks kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
writes:

<< Has anyone encountered records concerning Zagorochka (49'23 24'19), which
is near Chodorow? This place also appears in the ShtetlSeeker under the names
Zagirochka and Zagurechko. What is its Yiddish name? Is it mentioned in
the Chodorow yizkor book? A KALTER relative of mine was apparently born
there around 1892, and his father supposedly still lived there in 1911.>>

I found an entry in my older edition of "Where We Once Walked" for
"Zagoreczko" in Poland. It had a pre-war Jewish population of (only)25. The book says
the Black Book says it is in the region of Lwow, but its name was not found in
the listings of the Board of Georgraphic Names.

I don't have a copy of the "Black Book of Polish Jewry", edited by Jacob
Apenszlak et al, eds. which may be the Black Book to which the editors of WWOW
referred, I have only the "Black Book of Russian Jewry" by Ilya Ehrenburg and
Vassily Grossman.

I didn't find an entry for any spelling of Zagorochka in Chester G. Cohen's
"Shtetl Finder Gazetteer.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Re: Comparing photographs to determine identity #galicia

m.steinberg@...
 

Hello Cousins,

I would like to thank all of the kind people who responded to my posting. All of the
responses were very helpful.

In answer to my question "Is anyone aware of any resources...for comparing photographs to
determine the identity of a person regardless of the age at which the photographs were
taken?", I paraphrase their suggestions as follows:

-Contact forensic experts who use computers to digitally age people to show what they
would look like as they age, (especially in kidnapping or missing persons cases).

-These "forensic experts" can usually be found through a local University or College,
local police department, RCMP, FBI, or other group involved in forensics.

-The software used is known as "age progression software".

- The science is known as "forensic photography".

-Photocopy one photograph and fold it in half on the centre of the person's face. Then
cover that same half on the other photograph with the
folded photocopy and see if the facial features "line up".


All the best,
Moshe Steinberg,
Uchanie Town Leader, Zamosc Archives Project
Vancouver, Canada

WAGNER, SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN Zaleshchiki, Borszczow:(Galicia-->
Poland-->Ukraine), New York City, Israel
WAGNER, ADLER, EDER Jezierzany, Grabowce, Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce and Losiacz:
(Galicia--> Poland-->Ukraine)
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES Hrubieszow, Lublin, Uchanie (Poland), Montreal, California,
Iowa
GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN,
GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER Czernowitz, Israel


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Comparing photographs to determine identity #galicia

m.steinberg@...
 

Hello Cousins,

I would like to thank all of the kind people who responded to my posting. All of the
responses were very helpful.

In answer to my question "Is anyone aware of any resources...for comparing photographs to
determine the identity of a person regardless of the age at which the photographs were
taken?", I paraphrase their suggestions as follows:

-Contact forensic experts who use computers to digitally age people to show what they
would look like as they age, (especially in kidnapping or missing persons cases).

-These "forensic experts" can usually be found through a local University or College,
local police department, RCMP, FBI, or other group involved in forensics.

-The software used is known as "age progression software".

- The science is known as "forensic photography".

-Photocopy one photograph and fold it in half on the centre of the person's face. Then
cover that same half on the other photograph with the
folded photocopy and see if the facial features "line up".


All the best,
Moshe Steinberg,
Uchanie Town Leader, Zamosc Archives Project
Vancouver, Canada

WAGNER, SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN Zaleshchiki, Borszczow:(Galicia-->
Poland-->Ukraine), New York City, Israel
WAGNER, ADLER, EDER Jezierzany, Grabowce, Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce and Losiacz:
(Galicia--> Poland-->Ukraine)
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES Hrubieszow, Lublin, Uchanie (Poland), Montreal, California,
Iowa
GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN,
GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER Czernowitz, Israel


Mariampole cemetery #lithuania

Marcia Goldberg <mgoldber@...>
 

I was in Mariampole this summer and visited the same site. There is a
second site as you enter town which has a circle of 6-8 rescued stones
around a small monument. I did not make note of the names. My guide
showed me only those two cemeteries plus the site where Jews were
murdered in September 1941. There is one memorial stone for the
victims.

I would also like to know if anyone was able to find any other
mazavehs.

I did take with me a copy of a handwritten map by a survivor living
in Israel who made the map based on how the town looked in 1941. The two
cemeteries were noted on it. The map was in a book Mariampole,
Lithuania, 2nd edition published by Avraham Tory in 1986. Three-fourth
in Hebrew and the rest in English. There is a list of names of deceased
in Hebrew. By the way, a woman at the Marijampole Archives made a copy
of the map which we translated >from Hebrew to English to Lithuanian for
the woman. She then indicated which buildings were still standing. The
Archives and the remains of a synagogue were located on what had been a
main Jewish thoroughfare.

Marcia F. Goldberg
Fargotstein/Fargotszteyn (Mariampole); Zober/Isber (Kovno or Kovno
Gubernia); Reitberg/Roitbord (Bialystok); Gollob (Bialystok)


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Mariampole cemetery #lithuania

Marcia Goldberg <mgoldber@...>
 

I was in Mariampole this summer and visited the same site. There is a
second site as you enter town which has a circle of 6-8 rescued stones
around a small monument. I did not make note of the names. My guide
showed me only those two cemeteries plus the site where Jews were
murdered in September 1941. There is one memorial stone for the
victims.

I would also like to know if anyone was able to find any other
mazavehs.

I did take with me a copy of a handwritten map by a survivor living
in Israel who made the map based on how the town looked in 1941. The two
cemeteries were noted on it. The map was in a book Mariampole,
Lithuania, 2nd edition published by Avraham Tory in 1986. Three-fourth
in Hebrew and the rest in English. There is a list of names of deceased
in Hebrew. By the way, a woman at the Marijampole Archives made a copy
of the map which we translated >from Hebrew to English to Lithuanian for
the woman. She then indicated which buildings were still standing. The
Archives and the remains of a synagogue were located on what had been a
main Jewish thoroughfare.

Marcia F. Goldberg
Fargotstein/Fargotszteyn (Mariampole); Zober/Isber (Kovno or Kovno
Gubernia); Reitberg/Roitbord (Bialystok); Gollob (Bialystok)


Search for photographs taken in your ancestral Shtetl at YIVO #poland

Howard Orenstein
 

http://yivo1000towns.cjh.org/search.asp


Go to the above web site. You will be prompted to register in order to

view:

"People of a Thousand Towns":
The Online Catalog of Photographs of
Jewish Life in Prewar Eastern Europe


I found photos taken in Wyszkow, Serock, Pultusk, Warsaw....


--
Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D.
McDaniel College
Founded as Western Maryland College
Westminster, MD 21157
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/HIK.html


JRI Poland #Poland Search for photographs taken in your ancestral Shtetl at YIVO #poland

Howard Orenstein
 

http://yivo1000towns.cjh.org/search.asp


Go to the above web site. You will be prompted to register in order to

view:

"People of a Thousand Towns":
The Online Catalog of Photographs of
Jewish Life in Prewar Eastern Europe


I found photos taken in Wyszkow, Serock, Pultusk, Warsaw....


--
Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D.
McDaniel College
Founded as Western Maryland College
Westminster, MD 21157
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/HIK.html


location of Zal Kedrova/Sala Kedrowa #yiddish

Paula Eisenstein Baker
 

Dear listers,

I am trying to locate a hall called "Zal Kedrova/Sala Kedrowa."

According to information on a poster, Leo TSEYTLIN produced a concert there Sat,
July 22, 1922; his wife, Esther SITITSKAIA, sang, and he may have performed
(on viola). At that time they were living in Vilna, so I have always assumed that
the concert took place there, but a research librarian in Vilnius who
investigated it thoroughly (and whom I trust) tells me that there has never
been a hall by that name in Vilna. So . . .

Possible clues for where the concert took place:

(1) The poster was printed in Vilna, so I assume the concert took place
not far >from there, BUT there seems to be no mention of it in the Vilna
newspapers, so maybe it didn't. The posters are small enough
(approximately 19 x 24 in.) that they could have been carried easily.

(2) The poster is in two languages, Yiddish and Polish (NOT Russian).

(3) No address is given for the hall; either the city was small enough that no
address was necessary, OR the hall was very well known. A dance followed the
concert.

(4) Tseytlin and his wife were both originally >from Pinsk; possibly it took
place there.

Private replies, please, to <eisenbak@stthom.edu> unless you think they are of
interest to the group. Please excuse multiple postings.

Paula Eisenstein Baker
Music Dept
Univ of St. Thomas, Houston
(since this is an inquiry of professional interest to me)


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre location of Zal Kedrova/Sala Kedrowa #yiddish

Paula Eisenstein Baker
 

Dear listers,

I am trying to locate a hall called "Zal Kedrova/Sala Kedrowa."

According to information on a poster, Leo TSEYTLIN produced a concert there Sat,
July 22, 1922; his wife, Esther SITITSKAIA, sang, and he may have performed
(on viola). At that time they were living in Vilna, so I have always assumed that
the concert took place there, but a research librarian in Vilnius who
investigated it thoroughly (and whom I trust) tells me that there has never
been a hall by that name in Vilna. So . . .

Possible clues for where the concert took place:

(1) The poster was printed in Vilna, so I assume the concert took place
not far >from there, BUT there seems to be no mention of it in the Vilna
newspapers, so maybe it didn't. The posters are small enough
(approximately 19 x 24 in.) that they could have been carried easily.

(2) The poster is in two languages, Yiddish and Polish (NOT Russian).

(3) No address is given for the hall; either the city was small enough that no
address was necessary, OR the hall was very well known. A dance followed the
concert.

(4) Tseytlin and his wife were both originally >from Pinsk; possibly it took
place there.

Private replies, please, to <eisenbak@stthom.edu> unless you think they are of
interest to the group. Please excuse multiple postings.

Paula Eisenstein Baker
Music Dept
Univ of St. Thomas, Houston
(since this is an inquiry of professional interest to me)


Tour of Willesden (United Synagogue) Cemetery #unitedkingdom

Derek & Rosemary Wenzerul <dandr@...>
 

As part of European Jewish Heritage Day on the 5 September 2004, Elkan Levy
will be conducting another tour of Willesden Cemetery, Beaconsfield Road. It
starts at 11 am - £6 payable at the door. If you are interested, please
pre-book with Bnai Brith on 020 7387 5278.

Elkan' tours of the cemetery are extremely interesting and amusing. If
Sunday,
5 September is free, it would be a shame to miss it.

Rosemary Wenzerul
dandr@wenzeds.freeserve.co.uk


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Tour of Willesden (United Synagogue) Cemetery #unitedkingdom

Derek & Rosemary Wenzerul <dandr@...>
 

As part of European Jewish Heritage Day on the 5 September 2004, Elkan Levy
will be conducting another tour of Willesden Cemetery, Beaconsfield Road. It
starts at 11 am - £6 payable at the door. If you are interested, please
pre-book with Bnai Brith on 020 7387 5278.

Elkan' tours of the cemetery are extremely interesting and amusing. If
Sunday,
5 September is free, it would be a shame to miss it.

Rosemary Wenzerul
dandr@wenzeds.freeserve.co.uk


More about FINN families #general

LOUISE HAJDENBERG
 

Hello,

My Finn family came here as Finn, Finkelhor,Finkelhoff and
possibly Finkelgor.They were >from Lithuania: Vilna , Kovno
and the towns between. One town that Finkelhors came >from
was Kapciamiestis.They settled mainly in Pittsburgh, Ohio,
Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

Louise Hajdenberg

BRILLIANT,MAUMERSTEIN/MARMELSTEIN,GOLTZMAN/HOLTZMAN,SZKOLNICK,
FROMAN/FRUMIN,YOUNG/JUNG/YUNG,HAMMERMAN,BERLAND
NOTENBERG/NOTTENBERG/NATHANBERG/NATHAN,TOBIAS,ROSENBLATT,
FRIEDMAN,FEIGENBAUM,BLATT,RAWITZ, EISLER,BUCHHOLZ,
FINKELGOR/FINKELHOR,FINN FINKELHOFF,KAGANOVICH/CAGAN/COHEN,
BIERMAN,PINCZEWSKI,MACHTUS,WACHTMAN,HAJDENBERG,GOODMAN,


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen More about FINN families #general

LOUISE HAJDENBERG
 

Hello,

My Finn family came here as Finn, Finkelhor,Finkelhoff and
possibly Finkelgor.They were >from Lithuania: Vilna , Kovno
and the towns between. One town that Finkelhors came >from
was Kapciamiestis.They settled mainly in Pittsburgh, Ohio,
Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

Louise Hajdenberg

BRILLIANT,MAUMERSTEIN/MARMELSTEIN,GOLTZMAN/HOLTZMAN,SZKOLNICK,
FROMAN/FRUMIN,YOUNG/JUNG/YUNG,HAMMERMAN,BERLAND
NOTENBERG/NOTTENBERG/NATHANBERG/NATHAN,TOBIAS,ROSENBLATT,
FRIEDMAN,FEIGENBAUM,BLATT,RAWITZ, EISLER,BUCHHOLZ,
FINKELGOR/FINKELHOR,FINN FINKELHOFF,KAGANOVICH/CAGAN/COHEN,
BIERMAN,PINCZEWSKI,MACHTUS,WACHTMAN,HAJDENBERG,GOODMAN,


JGS - Hamilton & Area meeting August 10th #general

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Reminder

The Jewish Genealogical Society - Hamilton & Area will hold its
next meeting on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 7:30 p.m. at the
Jewish Community Centre, 1030 Lower Lions Club Road, Ancaster.

Glen Eker, a professional genealogist, will talk about Genealogy
Research Resources in the Greater Hamilton/Burlington area.

Join us for Meet and Greet followed by a brief business meeting.

For further information: HamiltonJewishGen@canada.com.

Hazel Boon
Vice-President
Jewish Genealogical Society - Hamilton and Area


JGS Sacramento meeting August 16 #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

The JGS Sacramento will meet at 7:00 PM on Monday,
August 16. The meeting will take place at the Albert
Einstein Residence Center, 1935 Wright St.,
Sacramento, CA.

The topic of the meeting will be "What’s New in Jewish
Genealogy ? -- Report >from Jerusalem Conference" by
those people who attended the Conference in Jerusalem.
They’ll share the latest Jewish genealogical resources
unveiled at the conference, including the Yad Vashem
database containing more than three million names of those who
died in the Holocaust; they’ll also describe in
general what it’s like to travel in Israel now.

All are welcome at the monthly meetings. For more
information on the organization, e-mail the JGSS at
jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message
at 916-486-0906 ext. 361

Bob Wascou


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS - Hamilton & Area meeting August 10th #general

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Reminder

The Jewish Genealogical Society - Hamilton & Area will hold its
next meeting on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 7:30 p.m. at the
Jewish Community Centre, 1030 Lower Lions Club Road, Ancaster.

Glen Eker, a professional genealogist, will talk about Genealogy
Research Resources in the Greater Hamilton/Burlington area.

Join us for Meet and Greet followed by a brief business meeting.

For further information: HamiltonJewishGen@canada.com.

Hazel Boon
Vice-President
Jewish Genealogical Society - Hamilton and Area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Sacramento meeting August 16 #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

The JGS Sacramento will meet at 7:00 PM on Monday,
August 16. The meeting will take place at the Albert
Einstein Residence Center, 1935 Wright St.,
Sacramento, CA.

The topic of the meeting will be "What’s New in Jewish
Genealogy ? -- Report >from Jerusalem Conference" by
those people who attended the Conference in Jerusalem.
They’ll share the latest Jewish genealogical resources
unveiled at the conference, including the Yad Vashem
database containing more than three million names of those who
died in the Holocaust; they’ll also describe in
general what it’s like to travel in Israel now.

All are welcome at the monthly meetings. For more
information on the organization, e-mail the JGSS at
jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message
at 916-486-0906 ext. 361

Bob Wascou