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#Warsaw #Poland #warsaw #poland

Peter Lebensold
 

Further to Gary Mokotow's recent email about the new
Warsaw Ghetto Web Site
(http://www.holocaustresearch.pl/index1(en).htm) ...

I should point out that street name searches seem to be as
accent-sensitive as the surname searches: I was unable to
find anything under Prozna Street, but found a number of
listings (including two for the very street address of my
grandparents) under Próżna.

I also found listings for two individuals - of whom I was
not previously aware - who seem to share my (somewhat
unusual) surname ... so I'd recommend spending a little
time with the database!

I would also point out that the ghetto map at the website
is sufficiently detailed as to include many street address
numbers (click on one of the four grid squares that come
up to zoom in on that single square). (This appears to be
the same map that was included in Barbara Engelking's
still-untranslated 2001 book entitled, "Getto Warszawskie
Przewodnik po Nieistniejacym Miescie".)

Peter Lebensold
Toronto
============================================
PREFERRED EMAIL ADDRESS: peter@lebensold.com
Phone: 416-485-0883 Fax: 416-485-1996
Alternative email address: lebensold@sympatico.ca


Warszawa Research Group #warsaw #poland

Peter Lebensold
 

Further to Gary Mokotow's recent email about the new
Warsaw Ghetto Web Site
(http://www.holocaustresearch.pl/index1(en).htm) ...

I should point out that street name searches seem to be as
accent-sensitive as the surname searches: I was unable to
find anything under Prozna Street, but found a number of
listings (including two for the very street address of my
grandparents) under Próżna.

I also found listings for two individuals - of whom I was
not previously aware - who seem to share my (somewhat
unusual) surname ... so I'd recommend spending a little
time with the database!

I would also point out that the ghetto map at the website
is sufficiently detailed as to include many street address
numbers (click on one of the four grid squares that come
up to zoom in on that single square). (This appears to be
the same map that was included in Barbara Engelking's
still-untranslated 2001 book entitled, "Getto Warszawskie
Przewodnik po Nieistniejacym Miescie".)

Peter Lebensold
Toronto
============================================
PREFERRED EMAIL ADDRESS: peter@lebensold.com
Phone: 416-485-0883 Fax: 416-485-1996
Alternative email address: lebensold@sympatico.ca


attention Moderator #ukraine

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear Ukraine-SIG moderator,
Please remind users to post pertinent data in the
subject field, so that we index-users have something
more than "seeking relative" before requesting a
message.
Thank you,
Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Thanks to you, I don't have to. To everyone else, she is
absolutely correct. A good subject may well be the key to getting your message
read by someone who might be able to help. Think of your subject as a
news headline; without a good one, no one reads the article.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine attention Moderator #ukraine

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear Ukraine-SIG moderator,
Please remind users to post pertinent data in the
subject field, so that we index-users have something
more than "seeking relative" before requesting a
message.
Thank you,
Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Thanks to you, I don't have to. To everyone else, she is
absolutely correct. A good subject may well be the key to getting your message
read by someone who might be able to help. Think of your subject as a
news headline; without a good one, no one reads the article.


caves in Yaruga #ukraine

alicebg@...
 

My family hid in caves in Yaruga during pogroms -up until l930-
does anyone have information about these caves? thank you.

Darlene Bregman Ehrenberg
alicebg@att.net


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine caves in Yaruga #ukraine

alicebg@...
 

My family hid in caves in Yaruga during pogroms -up until l930-
does anyone have information about these caves? thank you.

Darlene Bregman Ehrenberg
alicebg@att.net


David Horodok-birth&death records-also name Dvera #belarus

alicebg@...
 

I am trying to locate birth and death records for my grandmother : Dvera
(FISHMAN) BREGMAN born around l860 and died around l902 in David Horodok. I am also
trying to find out if that is the correct spelling for the name Dvera - or how
else it would be transliterated. That is the way it was always spelled in our
family. I also would like to find birth and death records for other members of my
family who were murdered in l941 in David Horodok.
Thank you very much.

Darlene Bregman Ehrenberg
MOTERATOR NOTE: Please sign all messages with your location. Also please use all
capital letters for surnames.


Belarus SIG #Belarus David Horodok-birth&death records-also name Dvera #belarus

alicebg@...
 

I am trying to locate birth and death records for my grandmother : Dvera
(FISHMAN) BREGMAN born around l860 and died around l902 in David Horodok. I am also
trying to find out if that is the correct spelling for the name Dvera - or how
else it would be transliterated. That is the way it was always spelled in our
family. I also would like to find birth and death records for other members of my
family who were murdered in l941 in David Horodok.
Thank you very much.

Darlene Bregman Ehrenberg
MOTERATOR NOTE: Please sign all messages with your location. Also please use all
capital letters for surnames.


Re: Noam Elimelech #general

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

On 2004.08.16, R.C. Klein <rachack@futurecities.com> wrote:

[...] My question is whether someone can explain to me this
"known" link between the ECKSTEIN family and my gg-grandmother
Devorah ECKSTEIN and how I can get in touch with more relatives
who are also >from the Noam Elimelech?
The only definite connection between ECKSTEIN and the Rebbbe R' Mylech
that I know of was via the Rebbe's sister. Her daughter (the Rebbe's
niece) married Pesach Langsam. They had several children including a
girl that married an ECKSTEIN and lived in Bilka.

You can see more on this branch on my website. The specific page you
are interested in is within the site at:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/eckstein/eckstein.htm

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn NY
mailto:moishe@langsam.com

PS: Contact Asher Bar-Zev (don't know his email). He has a large
WEISSBLOOM tree.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Noam Elimelech #rabbinic

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

On 2004.08.16, R.C. Klein <rachack@futurecities.com> wrote:

[...] My question is whether someone can explain to me this
"known" link between the ECKSTEIN family and my gg-grandmother
Devorah ECKSTEIN and how I can get in touch with more relatives
who are also >from the Noam Elimelech?
The only definite connection between ECKSTEIN and the Rebbbe R' Mylech
that I know of was via the Rebbe's sister. Her daughter (the Rebbe's
niece) married Pesach Langsam. They had several children including a
girl that married an ECKSTEIN and lived in Bilka.

You can see more on this branch on my website. The specific page you
are interested in is within the site at:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/eckstein/eckstein.htm

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn NY
mailto:moishe@langsam.com

PS: Contact Asher Bar-Zev (don't know his email). He has a large
WEISSBLOOM tree.


Re: "Slauliai, Lithunia" =Sauliai ? #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Aug.15, 04 Phyllis Bosworth (phylboz@aol.com) said she was

<<Looking for information on Slauliai, Lithuania. Is it the same as present
day Silale, Lithuania.>>

I don't know how the "l" crept in after the "S" but I am quite sure that she
is interested in Sauliai, also known as Shav, Schaulen, Shavel, Shaulia,
Siavliai, and Schawli, and Saula, according to Nancy Schoenburg and Stuart
Schoenburg 'Lithuanian Jewish Communities." The Schoenburgs devote several
pages to this city and they include names of its rabbis, community leaders,
and "natives" of some prominence.

I haven't seen the spelling "Silale"anywhere but in Ms. Bosworth's message.
Perhaps it is the sounding out of the city's name as she may have heard it or
seen it written in some document or on a ship manifest.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Slauliai, Lithunia" =Sauliai ? #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Aug.15, 04 Phyllis Bosworth (phylboz@aol.com) said she was

<<Looking for information on Slauliai, Lithuania. Is it the same as present
day Silale, Lithuania.>>

I don't know how the "l" crept in after the "S" but I am quite sure that she
is interested in Sauliai, also known as Shav, Schaulen, Shavel, Shaulia,
Siavliai, and Schawli, and Saula, according to Nancy Schoenburg and Stuart
Schoenburg 'Lithuanian Jewish Communities." The Schoenburgs devote several
pages to this city and they include names of its rabbis, community leaders,
and "natives" of some prominence.

I haven't seen the spelling "Silale"anywhere but in Ms. Bosworth's message.
Perhaps it is the sounding out of the city's name as she may have heard it or
seen it written in some document or on a ship manifest.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Re: Surname Website #general

Sheila Schneider <Sheila.Schneider@...>
 

Dear Joan Parker
Thank you so much for sharing with the discussion group the following
website that checks surnames:

http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/russia/index.html

This was a wonderful surprises. The online website identified a
marriage record that belonged to my grandfather Abraham Werther's first
cousin Feige Werther. The Church of the Latter Day Saints had copied
records >from the Department of Vital Records in New York City. The
online document identified Wolf Apfulsiz and Feige Werther, their
wedding date in New York City along with parents names of the bride and
groom. The bride's parents are my great grandfather's brother and his
wife of which we had no record. I went to the Church and requested the
groom's index for 1910 as there are 9 rolls of microfilm for weddings
that occurred that year. I found the groom Wolf Apfulsiz, the wedding
date and the certificate number. I am waiting for the film to arrive
from Salt Lake City and look forward to making a copy of the marriage
record.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joan Parker [mailto:joanparker@intergate.com]
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:08 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Surname Website

Dear Genners:
Great site for checking Surnames. Even though it says Russia once you
get there you have other country choices.When you type in a name,
different web sites pop up with the name you've requested and
then you have links to the names that show up.

http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/russia/index.html

Enjoy!
Joan

Joan Parker
Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa,
Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


book suggestions #general

GSEaston@...
 

Which few books would you recommend on Jewish genealogy to donate to a synagogue library?

Glenn Easton


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Surname Website #general

Sheila Schneider <Sheila.Schneider@...>
 

Dear Joan Parker
Thank you so much for sharing with the discussion group the following
website that checks surnames:

http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/russia/index.html

This was a wonderful surprises. The online website identified a
marriage record that belonged to my grandfather Abraham Werther's first
cousin Feige Werther. The Church of the Latter Day Saints had copied
records >from the Department of Vital Records in New York City. The
online document identified Wolf Apfulsiz and Feige Werther, their
wedding date in New York City along with parents names of the bride and
groom. The bride's parents are my great grandfather's brother and his
wife of which we had no record. I went to the Church and requested the
groom's index for 1910 as there are 9 rolls of microfilm for weddings
that occurred that year. I found the groom Wolf Apfulsiz, the wedding
date and the certificate number. I am waiting for the film to arrive
from Salt Lake City and look forward to making a copy of the marriage
record.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joan Parker [mailto:joanparker@intergate.com]
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:08 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Surname Website

Dear Genners:
Great site for checking Surnames. Even though it says Russia once you
get there you have other country choices.When you type in a name,
different web sites pop up with the name you've requested and
then you have links to the names that show up.

http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/russia/index.html

Enjoy!
Joan

Joan Parker
Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa,
Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen book suggestions #general

GSEaston@...
 

Which few books would you recommend on Jewish genealogy to donate to a synagogue library?

Glenn Easton


Re: "GEISLER family at Congregation Ahabath Israel in Brooklyn" #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Aug. 16, 04, Ari Itzkowitz (arii@netvision.net.il) expressed interest in
obtaining information >from a Brooklyn Synagogue named "Ababath Israel" on
Quincy Street.

Although I do not know Hebrew (or Yiddish) somehow I thought of doing an
internet search for a synagogue in Brooklyn called Ahavath Israel. (I do know that
often the letter "b" is equivalent to "v.")

Through a website at: http://www.isjm.org/Buildings/current/synagog.htm

I found a listing for a Congregation Ahavath Israel at 108 Noble Street in
the Greenpoint Historic District of Brooklyn. This may have been the original
site of the synagogue sought by Mr. Itzkowitz. Or maybe the one on Quincy was
moved to Noble Street.

The two books I have on Brooklyn Jews, Alfred Kazin's "Walker in the City"
and "The Jews of Brooklyn" edited by Ilana Abramovitch and Sean Galvin, both
lack indexes, making finding what I might be looking for a time-consuming,
page-flipping, project.

I hope some other Jewishgenner can help Mr. Itzkowitz.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "GEISLER family at Congregation Ahabath Israel in Brooklyn" #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Aug. 16, 04, Ari Itzkowitz (arii@netvision.net.il) expressed interest in
obtaining information >from a Brooklyn Synagogue named "Ababath Israel" on
Quincy Street.

Although I do not know Hebrew (or Yiddish) somehow I thought of doing an
internet search for a synagogue in Brooklyn called Ahavath Israel. (I do know that
often the letter "b" is equivalent to "v.")

Through a website at: http://www.isjm.org/Buildings/current/synagog.htm

I found a listing for a Congregation Ahavath Israel at 108 Noble Street in
the Greenpoint Historic District of Brooklyn. This may have been the original
site of the synagogue sought by Mr. Itzkowitz. Or maybe the one on Quincy was
moved to Noble Street.

The two books I have on Brooklyn Jews, Alfred Kazin's "Walker in the City"
and "The Jews of Brooklyn" edited by Ilana Abramovitch and Sean Galvin, both
lack indexes, making finding what I might be looking for a time-consuming,
page-flipping, project.

I hope some other Jewishgenner can help Mr. Itzkowitz.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Toronto Landslayt -- WORTZMAN from Tetiev #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Dear friends,
In February, 1976, I was in Toronto to give a paper at the International
Studies Association. While waiting for a bus on Bathurst Street, an elderly
woman (probably younger than I am now) asked me in Yiddish about buses. I
responded in Yiddish that I was a stranger there myself. We got to talking,
and, as is common, asked each other where we came from. She wanted to know
how I had learned Yiddish. When I told her that my father was from
Lukashifke she told me that her mother was >from there and that she had lived
in a village, Kluke, near there. Until her bus came we managed to get some
details of her family and I wrote them down on the cover of my ISA program
book. I made a note to get in touch with her, but events conspired against
us. I was in the midst of correcting my dissertation, then took a six week
break in Europe and Israel, and when I returned home there were many family
problems.
I have been rummaging among my papers and photos, hurredly packed before I
made aliya in 1995, and came across the book where I had jotted down what
she told me.

Her name was Ratsie daughter of Doba and Ya'akov GROSSMAN >from Bikov (?)
near Tetiev. She married her cousin, Ben Tsion WORTZMAN, a khazn, and moved
to Tetiev. She mentioned names: Feyge TENER >from Tetiev who had married the
son of Avigdor. She also mentioned Velvl "der khalfn" (money changer) and
Shalom Tener and Yidl Tener. She also mentioned Yona TETIEVSKY, who may
have been related to my maternal grandmother, and Lazar ZABAKH from
Tarashcha. She said she was related to Levi SHKOLNIK (ESHKOL) who was also
distantly related to my father.

Her name was Mrs. R. WORTZMAN, XX Forest Ridge Road, Toronto Ont.

As you can see, we really got quite chummy. Of course, after all these
years, I may have made some errors in my jottings.

If any of these names sound familiar, I would love to correspond with you.
Sincerely,
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Toronto Landslayt -- WORTZMAN from Tetiev #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Dear friends,
In February, 1976, I was in Toronto to give a paper at the International
Studies Association. While waiting for a bus on Bathurst Street, an elderly
woman (probably younger than I am now) asked me in Yiddish about buses. I
responded in Yiddish that I was a stranger there myself. We got to talking,
and, as is common, asked each other where we came from. She wanted to know
how I had learned Yiddish. When I told her that my father was from
Lukashifke she told me that her mother was >from there and that she had lived
in a village, Kluke, near there. Until her bus came we managed to get some
details of her family and I wrote them down on the cover of my ISA program
book. I made a note to get in touch with her, but events conspired against
us. I was in the midst of correcting my dissertation, then took a six week
break in Europe and Israel, and when I returned home there were many family
problems.
I have been rummaging among my papers and photos, hurredly packed before I
made aliya in 1995, and came across the book where I had jotted down what
she told me.

Her name was Ratsie daughter of Doba and Ya'akov GROSSMAN >from Bikov (?)
near Tetiev. She married her cousin, Ben Tsion WORTZMAN, a khazn, and moved
to Tetiev. She mentioned names: Feyge TENER >from Tetiev who had married the
son of Avigdor. She also mentioned Velvl "der khalfn" (money changer) and
Shalom Tener and Yidl Tener. She also mentioned Yona TETIEVSKY, who may
have been related to my maternal grandmother, and Lazar ZABAKH from
Tarashcha. She said she was related to Levi SHKOLNIK (ESHKOL) who was also
distantly related to my father.

Her name was Mrs. R. WORTZMAN, XX Forest Ridge Road, Toronto Ont.

As you can see, we really got quite chummy. Of course, after all these
years, I may have made some errors in my jottings.

If any of these names sound familiar, I would love to correspond with you.
Sincerely,
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel