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Re: Learning Original Surname #ukraine

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

This is not necessarily so. My parents came with their baby as Kitaigorodsky
and two weeks later, when she died, she was buried as Norma Cohen. My father
told me that they took the name Cohen right after they came because the
relative who met them at Ellis Island told them Kitaigorodsky was not a name
for America.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Tappuah 7/3, Arad
IL-89053, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Cohen [mailto:DMC@dmcohen.com]
Subject: Re: [ukraine] Learning Original Surname

Names were never never never changed at Ellis Island. Manifest forms were
filled out on board ship, and only checked off by the Ellis Island
personnel. Name changes usually took place as part of the naturalization
process, some 7+ years after immigration. >snip<


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Learning Original Surname #ukraine

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

This is not necessarily so. My parents came with their baby as Kitaigorodsky
and two weeks later, when she died, she was buried as Norma Cohen. My father
told me that they took the name Cohen right after they came because the
relative who met them at Ellis Island told them Kitaigorodsky was not a name
for America.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Tappuah 7/3, Arad
IL-89053, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Cohen [mailto:DMC@dmcohen.com]
Subject: Re: [ukraine] Learning Original Surname

Names were never never never changed at Ellis Island. Manifest forms were
filled out on board ship, and only checked off by the Ellis Island
personnel. Name changes usually took place as part of the naturalization
process, some 7+ years after immigration. >snip<


Ellis Name Chnages #ukraine

PARA906020@...
 

I beg to differ with everyone who said this did not happen. It never happened
intentionally but it did happen. My wife's grandparents arrived in late 1907.
I have the manifest showing the correct family name. They left Ellis with a similar
but totally different name. I have the documentation to prove this. They kept the
"Ellis" name for 10 years before changing their name to the current family name.
Again, it never was policy and it was not intentional but it did happen.

Lawrence Brail
Chicago


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ellis Name Chnages #ukraine

PARA906020@...
 

I beg to differ with everyone who said this did not happen. It never happened
intentionally but it did happen. My wife's grandparents arrived in late 1907.
I have the manifest showing the correct family name. They left Ellis with a similar
but totally different name. I have the documentation to prove this. They kept the
"Ellis" name for 10 years before changing their name to the current family name.
Again, it never was policy and it was not intentional but it did happen.

Lawrence Brail
Chicago


name changes #ukraine

Alice Kaderlan <AliceKaderlan@...>
 

Name changes were often made at the point of embarkation and if that point
was in Germany, Yiddish names were often Germanicized. Various members of
my ZISMAN family had their name changed to Sussmann as they left for New
York or South America; the our New York Sussmann's later dropped the "n,"
presumably when they were naturalized, but the South American branch did
not.

Alice Kaderlan


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine name changes #ukraine

Alice Kaderlan <AliceKaderlan@...>
 

Name changes were often made at the point of embarkation and if that point
was in Germany, Yiddish names were often Germanicized. Various members of
my ZISMAN family had their name changed to Sussmann as they left for New
York or South America; the our New York Sussmann's later dropped the "n,"
presumably when they were naturalized, but the South American branch did
not.

Alice Kaderlan


Looking for "Brusilovsky" family #ukraine

myriamb2002@...
 

I want to know people with Brusilovsky surname. It
seems to be that all Brusilovskys came >from Kiev. I
live in Mendoza, Argentina.

Myriam Brusilovsky
<myriamb2002@yahoo.com.ar>

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Looking for "Brusilovsky" family #ukraine

myriamb2002@...
 

I want to know people with Brusilovsky surname. It
seems to be that all Brusilovskys came >from Kiev. I
live in Mendoza, Argentina.

Myriam Brusilovsky
<myriamb2002@yahoo.com.ar>

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Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #general

inwood@...
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of family history
research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers. Beginning steps
include oral history, "family archives" containing treasured photographs and
documents, and selected Internet sites. Most information, however, must still be
gleaned >from source documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization
papers, vital records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city
directories, and telephone books. Special topics to consider while searching for
relatives include the origins of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations,
the accuracy and completeness of records, and the historical context in which
various records were created and used.

*Limited Enrollment* -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the CJH
partners--the American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi Federation,
the Leo Baeck Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for
Jewish Research--to provide access to family history reference materials, answer
questions about family history research, orient family history researchers to the
collections at CJH, and offer programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #general

inwood@...
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of family history
research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers. Beginning steps
include oral history, "family archives" containing treasured photographs and
documents, and selected Internet sites. Most information, however, must still be
gleaned >from source documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization
papers, vital records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city
directories, and telephone books. Special topics to consider while searching for
relatives include the origins of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations,
the accuracy and completeness of records, and the historical context in which
various records were created and used.

*Limited Enrollment* -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the CJH
partners--the American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi Federation,
the Leo Baeck Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for
Jewish Research--to provide access to family history reference materials, answer
questions about family history research, orient family history researchers to the
collections at CJH, and offer programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/


For our Ontario and Quebec experts #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

In reply to Judy McNairn e-mail below, I have used the Nova Scotia and
New Brunswick 1901 Census records extensively looking for my WEBBER
family in both places and have found many spelling errors of Jewish
names - first and last. So when looking through don't just use the
index that will be forthcoming, but go through page by page looking for
your family. I found my Jewish Webber family listed under Weba online.


You also have the option of looking through the proofed pages and then
Going to the original pages, this is very helpful if you believe that
An entry could be family. Many of the census takers and the recent
Transcribers were not family with Jewish names and there is a real
Challenge here to find family.

Diane Jacobs
New York


Also, I would like to point out that the 1901 Census is currently being
indexed and is what is completed is available at
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/NationalSummary.jsp

This is a volunteer project that anyone can assist with if they have the
time, anyone doing Canadian Research for that time period should have a
look.

Judi McNairn >>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen For our Ontario and Quebec experts #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

In reply to Judy McNairn e-mail below, I have used the Nova Scotia and
New Brunswick 1901 Census records extensively looking for my WEBBER
family in both places and have found many spelling errors of Jewish
names - first and last. So when looking through don't just use the
index that will be forthcoming, but go through page by page looking for
your family. I found my Jewish Webber family listed under Weba online.


You also have the option of looking through the proofed pages and then
Going to the original pages, this is very helpful if you believe that
An entry could be family. Many of the census takers and the recent
Transcribers were not family with Jewish names and there is a real
Challenge here to find family.

Diane Jacobs
New York


Also, I would like to point out that the 1901 Census is currently being
indexed and is what is completed is available at
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/NationalSummary.jsp

This is a volunteer project that anyone can assist with if they have the
time, anyone doing Canadian Research for that time period should have a
look.

Judi McNairn >>>


Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Joshua Levy <joshualevy@...>
 

--- Mara Fein < maraharv@msn.com> wrote:
Bottom line, for those of us who wish to find our ancestors in the
Old Country, how can we connect to the old name?
For my family, immigration and naturalization paperwork
contained the old family names. My relatives generally
changed their names when they made the court appearence
to become naturalized citizens. So at the bottom of their
court papers, there would be a little note that the court
also approved changing their names. The paperwork associated
with entering the country would have the original names from
the old country.

Joshua Levy
Researching surnames:
LEVY in San Jose, CA 1850s >from Baveria
FRANK in Albany, NY 1840s
HYMAN in San Francisco, CA 1870s

=====
Joshua Levy < joshualevy@yahoo.com >
Note: I'm having spam problems at my joshualevy@yahoo.com
address, so if that emailbox is full, try joshualevy2@hotmail.com.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Joshua Levy <joshualevy@...>
 

--- Mara Fein < maraharv@msn.com> wrote:
Bottom line, for those of us who wish to find our ancestors in the
Old Country, how can we connect to the old name?
For my family, immigration and naturalization paperwork
contained the old family names. My relatives generally
changed their names when they made the court appearence
to become naturalized citizens. So at the bottom of their
court papers, there would be a little note that the court
also approved changing their names. The paperwork associated
with entering the country would have the original names from
the old country.

Joshua Levy
Researching surnames:
LEVY in San Jose, CA 1850s >from Baveria
FRANK in Albany, NY 1840s
HYMAN in San Francisco, CA 1870s

=====
Joshua Levy < joshualevy@yahoo.com >
Note: I'm having spam problems at my joshualevy@yahoo.com
address, so if that emailbox is full, try joshualevy2@hotmail.com.


John Sebastian HECHT #unitedkingdom

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

What would you like >from the list? You can look up his marriage yourself in
the GRO index at your FHC library or try Free BMD. You can do that for
starters.

Jackye Sullins
San Diego


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom John Sebastian HECHT #unitedkingdom

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

What would you like >from the list? You can look up his marriage yourself in
the GRO index at your FHC library or try Free BMD. You can do that for
starters.

Jackye Sullins
San Diego


Re: More questions about names #hungary

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Seva is probably Sheva, short for Batsheva or possibly Elisheva. Not related
to Sheindl.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Tappuah 7/3, Arad
IL-89053, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Cohentalk@aol.com [mailto:Cohentalk@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:47 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] More questions about names


Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another form of
their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this >from lack of
naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents, beforehand? I am
referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her daughter was named Racza
and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: More questions about names #hungary

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Seva is probably Sheva, short for Batsheva or possibly Elisheva. Not related
to Sheindl.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Tappuah 7/3, Arad
IL-89053, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Cohentalk@aol.com [mailto:Cohentalk@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:47 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] More questions about names


Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another form of
their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this >from lack of
naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents, beforehand? I am
referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her daughter was named Racza
and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Re: More questions about names #hungary

Robert Neu
 

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu
--- Cohentalk@aol.com wrote:

Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another
form of their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this
from lack of naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents,
beforehand? I am referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her
daughter was named Racza and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: More questions about names #hungary

Robert Neu
 

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu
--- Cohentalk@aol.com wrote:

Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another
form of their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this
from lack of naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents,
beforehand? I am referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her
daughter was named Racza and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA