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Re: Mother's G'Parent's #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Let's not forget the name of the late Lubavitcher Rebbetzin Chaya Mushka
Shneerson. After she died whole slews of little girls whose parents were followers
of the Rebbe were named Chaya Mushka.
As for Cabel, perhaps it was Caleb?
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

My own grandmother's name was Masha -- which is the normal transliteration of
this very common Yiddish name when rendered into Latin alphabet letters.
Frankly, I have never seen it spelled Musha and would nevert have expected to!>
Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Mother's G'Parent's #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Let's not forget the name of the late Lubavitcher Rebbetzin Chaya Mushka
Shneerson. After she died whole slews of little girls whose parents were followers
of the Rebbe were named Chaya Mushka.
As for Cabel, perhaps it was Caleb?
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

My own grandmother's name was Masha -- which is the normal transliteration of
this very common Yiddish name when rendered into Latin alphabet letters.
Frankly, I have never seen it spelled Musha and would nevert have expected to!>
Judith Romney Wegner


Re: Cemeteries #hungary

s_wiener@...
 

Hello, Genners,

In response to Hope Gordon's inquiry about NYC cemeteries Ada Green
<adagreen@att.net> wrote:

<<Some of the largest Jewish cemeteries in the NY area are not computerized, most
notably Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn and Baron Hirsch Cemetery on Staten
Island. As has been written many times in this discussion group, the only
sure-fire way to find out where someone is buried is to order their death
certificate. Please read the JGSNY Cemetery FAQ's at
http://www.jgsny.org/cemfaqs.htm, especially FAQ #6.>>

I would agree with Ada that death certificates are in most instances the best way
to find out where someone is buried. However, in my husband's family we have one
individual who would never be found the usual way.

Per her official death certificate, my husband's married and childless great-aunt,
Sarah Geist Abramson, died at the age of 27 on March 29, 1918 in Manhattan at
Polyclinic Hospital. She was buried at Mt. Carmel Cemetery located in Cypress
Hills, Queens on March 31, 1918.

In 1955 or so, after her parents had passed away, her brother[s] had the body
reinterred at a Geist family plot at Acacia Cemetery in Richmond Hill, Queens
where the name on the stone and in the cemetery office records reads "Sarah
Geist". No mention or record of the Abramson name.

Acacia's non-computerized records indicate that the body was reinterred >from Mt.
Carmel. Mt. Carmel has no records in their computerized data base about the
burial or the removal of Sarah's coffin. To them, she doesn't exist. Perhaps if
pressed and shown the death certificate, Mt. Carmel employees might find old
interrment records to verify the burial unless, of course, the old records have
been destroyed.

So, in this particular case, on could get the death certificate and go to the
"computerized data-base" cemetery where she once had been buied and never be
able to find the grave. I had to make quite a few phone calls to figure this one
out as all the parties involved [Sarah's husband, her parents, her brothers
and their wives] are now deceased. The surviving nieces and nephews never heard
much about her and couldn't provide more than a scant few clues.

As always in genealogical research, "the game is afoot."

Shana Tova,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco

Researching the usual suspects:
GEIST, TRAUB, GOLD, LEAHER - Kutno, Poland
SCHWARTZ, SPORN - Buczacz, Galicia
SCHER - Austo-Hungarian Empire


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Cemeteries #general

s_wiener@...
 

Hello, Genners,

In response to Hope Gordon's inquiry about NYC cemeteries Ada Green
<adagreen@att.net> wrote:

<<Some of the largest Jewish cemeteries in the NY area are not computerized, most
notably Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn and Baron Hirsch Cemetery on Staten
Island. As has been written many times in this discussion group, the only
sure-fire way to find out where someone is buried is to order their death
certificate. Please read the JGSNY Cemetery FAQ's at
http://www.jgsny.org/cemfaqs.htm, especially FAQ #6.>>

I would agree with Ada that death certificates are in most instances the best way
to find out where someone is buried. However, in my husband's family we have one
individual who would never be found the usual way.

Per her official death certificate, my husband's married and childless great-aunt,
Sarah Geist Abramson, died at the age of 27 on March 29, 1918 in Manhattan at
Polyclinic Hospital. She was buried at Mt. Carmel Cemetery located in Cypress
Hills, Queens on March 31, 1918.

In 1955 or so, after her parents had passed away, her brother[s] had the body
reinterred at a Geist family plot at Acacia Cemetery in Richmond Hill, Queens
where the name on the stone and in the cemetery office records reads "Sarah
Geist". No mention or record of the Abramson name.

Acacia's non-computerized records indicate that the body was reinterred >from Mt.
Carmel. Mt. Carmel has no records in their computerized data base about the
burial or the removal of Sarah's coffin. To them, she doesn't exist. Perhaps if
pressed and shown the death certificate, Mt. Carmel employees might find old
interrment records to verify the burial unless, of course, the old records have
been destroyed.

So, in this particular case, on could get the death certificate and go to the
"computerized data-base" cemetery where she once had been buied and never be
able to find the grave. I had to make quite a few phone calls to figure this one
out as all the parties involved [Sarah's husband, her parents, her brothers
and their wives] are now deceased. The surviving nieces and nephews never heard
much about her and couldn't provide more than a scant few clues.

As always in genealogical research, "the game is afoot."

Shana Tova,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco

Researching the usual suspects:
GEIST, TRAUB, GOLD, LEAHER - Kutno, Poland
SCHWARTZ, SPORN - Buczacz, Galicia
SCHER - Austo-Hungarian Empire


JGSCO - Denver Sept 12th meeting #general

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
 

Joe Cahn, Reference Librarian, will present "Unexpected Jewish Resources at the
Denver Public Library" on Sunday, September 12th, 1:30 p.m. at B’nai Havurah, 6445
East Ohio Ave., Denver, Colorado

Guests are welcome!

Joe will offer all levels >from beginner to advanced researcher valuable
information on useful print resources beyond traditional sources at the Denver
Public Library. One example would be the obituaries of Variety Magazine, which
might provide genealogists with information on family members that were involved
in Hollywood movies, vaudeville or the arts.

Born in New Brunswick, New Jersey, Joe earned his M.A. in Library Science >from the
University of California at Los Angeles. He has conducted his own genealogical
research for 15 years and also enjoys helping friends and in-laws. Areas of
personal expertise include Jewish genealogy in New York, London, Poland, Ukraine
and Belarus.

Access B’nai Havurah >from the north-south Monaco Parkway one block south of
Leetsdale. Look for the Compass Bank as a landmark. Enter door on left.

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSCO - Denver Sept 12th meeting #general

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
 

Joe Cahn, Reference Librarian, will present "Unexpected Jewish Resources at the
Denver Public Library" on Sunday, September 12th, 1:30 p.m. at B’nai Havurah, 6445
East Ohio Ave., Denver, Colorado

Guests are welcome!

Joe will offer all levels >from beginner to advanced researcher valuable
information on useful print resources beyond traditional sources at the Denver
Public Library. One example would be the obituaries of Variety Magazine, which
might provide genealogists with information on family members that were involved
in Hollywood movies, vaudeville or the arts.

Born in New Brunswick, New Jersey, Joe earned his M.A. in Library Science >from the
University of California at Los Angeles. He has conducted his own genealogical
research for 15 years and also enjoys helping friends and in-laws. Areas of
personal expertise include Jewish genealogy in New York, London, Poland, Ukraine
and Belarus.

Access B’nai Havurah >from the north-south Monaco Parkway one block south of
Leetsdale. Look for the Compass Bank as a landmark. Enter door on left.

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt


PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) #unitedkingdom

NJ55TURTLE@...
 

Hello Genners;

I need your help and or suggestions.

The PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) research group has located two boys in the English
1901 Census.
1:: Morris Pichols, age 7, born in Cape Colony, and a student at the Jew's
Hospital and Orphan Asylum School;
2:: Jacob S. Pickholz, age 13, a citizen of Russia, and a student at the
Hayes Industrial School for Jewish Boys.

After trying many of the suggestions given >from a past posting, ie. try
the new owners of the school; Southampton College Library; Archivist for the
schools; the London Archives, I still know NOTHING.

I am trying to find anything about these boys--- what may have happened to
them; are they still alive, who were their parents; how they came to be
students at these schools, ANYTHING.

Can You help?????????

Steve Pickholtz
Tabernacle, New Jersey
USA
searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings)and WINITSKY (all spellings)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) #unitedkingdom

NJ55TURTLE@...
 

Hello Genners;

I need your help and or suggestions.

The PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) research group has located two boys in the English
1901 Census.
1:: Morris Pichols, age 7, born in Cape Colony, and a student at the Jew's
Hospital and Orphan Asylum School;
2:: Jacob S. Pickholz, age 13, a citizen of Russia, and a student at the
Hayes Industrial School for Jewish Boys.

After trying many of the suggestions given >from a past posting, ie. try
the new owners of the school; Southampton College Library; Archivist for the
schools; the London Archives, I still know NOTHING.

I am trying to find anything about these boys--- what may have happened to
them; are they still alive, who were their parents; how they came to be
students at these schools, ANYTHING.

Can You help?????????

Steve Pickholtz
Tabernacle, New Jersey
USA
searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings)and WINITSKY (all spellings)


Alexotas, and similar towns (was "Do Kovno vital records ...") #lithuania

Dinberg Donna <donna.dinberg@...>
 

I have a related question about Alexotas. Was it ever referred to as
"Alexandria"?

My grandmother Raisa/Reisel/Rose SIMON ... who married David TRUPIN
(DINBERG after immigration to the U.S.) in Dunaberg (Dvinsk/Daugavpils) ...
stated she was >from "Alexandria, Latvia, Russia". It is a mystery what town
she meant. There are lots of Aleksandrias in Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus.

I have several possibilities: Aleksandropole (Rugaji) and Aleksandrovo in
Latvia, Novo-Aleksandrovsk (Zarasai) in Lithuania, or maybe one of the
Belarusian Alexandrias. Or maybe Alexotas. Since grandma married a
Dvinsker before they immigrated in 1886, I am leaning toward someplace close
to Dunaberg, or someplace close to the Latvian/Lithuanian border that may
have been in Latvian territory in grandma's day. The Latvian State
Historical Archive has no Rose SIMON >from Dunaberg pre-1886. If I can gain
a bit more wisdom about what towns were actually referred to as
"Alexandria", I may get a bit further along.

Thanks for any insight anyone has on these potential Alexandrias, or on any
others that might be possibilities I've missed (... as if I needed more :-).

<Opinions above are mine own and should not be taken as the policies or
opinions of my employer. Usual disclaimers apply.>

Donna Dinberg
Ottawa, ON Canada
E-mail: donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca

Researching: primarily TRUPIN/TRUPPIN/TROUPIN, SIMON, MEYEROWITZ, MESNIK;
also WILENSKY, ZLOCHOWER/SLOANE, ZINKER, ZIMMERMAN, COOPER/COOPERMAN,
SILVERMAN, COHEN, SCHRIER, others


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Alexotas, and similar towns (was "Do Kovno vital records ...") #lithuania

Dinberg Donna <donna.dinberg@...>
 

I have a related question about Alexotas. Was it ever referred to as
"Alexandria"?

My grandmother Raisa/Reisel/Rose SIMON ... who married David TRUPIN
(DINBERG after immigration to the U.S.) in Dunaberg (Dvinsk/Daugavpils) ...
stated she was >from "Alexandria, Latvia, Russia". It is a mystery what town
she meant. There are lots of Aleksandrias in Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus.

I have several possibilities: Aleksandropole (Rugaji) and Aleksandrovo in
Latvia, Novo-Aleksandrovsk (Zarasai) in Lithuania, or maybe one of the
Belarusian Alexandrias. Or maybe Alexotas. Since grandma married a
Dvinsker before they immigrated in 1886, I am leaning toward someplace close
to Dunaberg, or someplace close to the Latvian/Lithuanian border that may
have been in Latvian territory in grandma's day. The Latvian State
Historical Archive has no Rose SIMON >from Dunaberg pre-1886. If I can gain
a bit more wisdom about what towns were actually referred to as
"Alexandria", I may get a bit further along.

Thanks for any insight anyone has on these potential Alexandrias, or on any
others that might be possibilities I've missed (... as if I needed more :-).

<Opinions above are mine own and should not be taken as the policies or
opinions of my employer. Usual disclaimers apply.>

Donna Dinberg
Ottawa, ON Canada
E-mail: donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca

Researching: primarily TRUPIN/TRUPPIN/TROUPIN, SIMON, MEYEROWITZ, MESNIK;
also WILENSKY, ZLOCHOWER/SLOANE, ZINKER, ZIMMERMAN, COOPER/COOPERMAN,
SILVERMAN, COHEN, SCHRIER, others


Miller/Meller-Pandelys; Baker/Bacher; Gayon ? #lithuania

Stanley Miller <stan75mill@...>
 

I am seeking information on my grandfather Isaac Miller who came to
the US in 1898 and settled in Maine. I am told that the family was
from Pandelys but I cannot confirm that. He was married to Etta(?)
who was, I believe, a Baker/Bacher and who died in Lithuania in 1898.
My grandfather's sister-in-law brought my father and his sisters to
the US in 1902 although I can find no record of their arrival. My
grandfather married his sister-in-law upon their arrival in the US
and gave his father's name as Shem and his mother's name as Ita.

I have a document that implies that some or all of the Baker/Bacher
family lived in Gayon (phonetic) but I can find no record of that
shtetl.

Any help in finding more information on Miller/Meller, Baker/Bacher
and Gayon would be appreciated

Stanley Miller
satn75mill@earthlink.net


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Miller/Meller-Pandelys; Baker/Bacher; Gayon ? #lithuania

Stanley Miller <stan75mill@...>
 

I am seeking information on my grandfather Isaac Miller who came to
the US in 1898 and settled in Maine. I am told that the family was
from Pandelys but I cannot confirm that. He was married to Etta(?)
who was, I believe, a Baker/Bacher and who died in Lithuania in 1898.
My grandfather's sister-in-law brought my father and his sisters to
the US in 1902 although I can find no record of their arrival. My
grandfather married his sister-in-law upon their arrival in the US
and gave his father's name as Shem and his mother's name as Ita.

I have a document that implies that some or all of the Baker/Bacher
family lived in Gayon (phonetic) but I can find no record of that
shtetl.

Any help in finding more information on Miller/Meller, Baker/Bacher
and Gayon would be appreciated

Stanley Miller
satn75mill@earthlink.net


Re: Yahrzeit - SHAPIRA brothers of Slavuta #rabbinic

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

On 2004.09.08, Paul Ginsburg <GinsburgP@state.gov> wrote:

Does anyone know the yahrzeits of R. Shmuel Abba SHAPIRA
and R. Pinchas SHAPIRA of Slavuta?
Hi,

Encyclopedia Meorei Galicia 5:432-3 lists R' Shmuel Aba as
5547 - 5 Adar I 5624
Encyclopedia Meorei Galicia 5:434 lists R' Pinchus as 5551
- 14 Tamuz 5632

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn NY
mailto:moishe@langsam.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Yahrzeit - SHAPIRA brothers of Slavuta #rabbinic

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

On 2004.09.08, Paul Ginsburg <GinsburgP@state.gov> wrote:

Does anyone know the yahrzeits of R. Shmuel Abba SHAPIRA
and R. Pinchas SHAPIRA of Slavuta?
Hi,

Encyclopedia Meorei Galicia 5:432-3 lists R' Shmuel Aba as
5547 - 5 Adar I 5624
Encyclopedia Meorei Galicia 5:434 lists R' Pinchus as 5551
- 14 Tamuz 5632

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn NY
mailto:moishe@langsam.com


San Francisco Bay Area JGS Meeting 9/12/04 #general

Jerry Jacobson <drjjsf@...>
 

San Francisco Meeting of the SFBAJGS
Topic: Highlights of the 24th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Where: Jewish Community High School
1835 Ellis Street (Between Scott and Pierce)
San Francisco, CA
Free Parking, enter >from Pierce Street
Date: Sunday, September 12, 2004
Time: Doors open: 12:30 PM
Program begins: 1:00 PM
Hear about the experiences of fellow JGS members at the meeting in Jerusalem.
Announcements made at the July event are sure to have an impact on your
genealogical research!

Jerry Jacobson drjjsf@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen San Francisco Bay Area JGS Meeting 9/12/04 #general

Jerry Jacobson <drjjsf@...>
 

San Francisco Meeting of the SFBAJGS
Topic: Highlights of the 24th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Where: Jewish Community High School
1835 Ellis Street (Between Scott and Pierce)
San Francisco, CA
Free Parking, enter >from Pierce Street
Date: Sunday, September 12, 2004
Time: Doors open: 12:30 PM
Program begins: 1:00 PM
Hear about the experiences of fellow JGS members at the meeting in Jerusalem.
Announcements made at the July event are sure to have an impact on your
genealogical research!

Jerry Jacobson drjjsf@aol.com


rothman/rajtman name change #warsaw #poland

Sara Crystal <scrapbasket@...>
 

dear friends, in my search for the CRYSTAL/KRYSZTAL family out of
Poland I discovered a new Polish version of the name ROTHMAN= RAJTMAN.
My great uncle George Crystal married Rose in 1899 and he immigrated to
Newark NJ, 1904, heading to brother in law H or L Rothman in Paterson
NJ (9 Governor St) per Ellis Island records. Rose/Rachel came in 1906
with her children...
in the JRI, I found the marriage of Gdalje Chaskel Krystal to Ruchla
Fradja Rajtman, 1899, in Lodz. On her immigration, she said she was
from GRAWEJO.
so I hope this helps someone or you might connect to our CRYSTAL
family (George and Joseph, brothers out of Warsaw by family history)
love, Sara Crystal in Oakland Ca researching CRYSTAL/KRYSZTAL in
POLAND, FRIDMAN in LITHUANIA, near KAUNAS, RABINOWITZ in LITHUANIA,
possibly nr KAUNAS


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland rothman/rajtman name change #warsaw #poland

Sara Crystal <scrapbasket@...>
 

dear friends, in my search for the CRYSTAL/KRYSZTAL family out of
Poland I discovered a new Polish version of the name ROTHMAN= RAJTMAN.
My great uncle George Crystal married Rose in 1899 and he immigrated to
Newark NJ, 1904, heading to brother in law H or L Rothman in Paterson
NJ (9 Governor St) per Ellis Island records. Rose/Rachel came in 1906
with her children...
in the JRI, I found the marriage of Gdalje Chaskel Krystal to Ruchla
Fradja Rajtman, 1899, in Lodz. On her immigration, she said she was
from GRAWEJO.
so I hope this helps someone or you might connect to our CRYSTAL
family (George and Joseph, brothers out of Warsaw by family history)
love, Sara Crystal in Oakland Ca researching CRYSTAL/KRYSZTAL in
POLAND, FRIDMAN in LITHUANIA, near KAUNAS, RABINOWITZ in LITHUANIA,
possibly nr KAUNAS


Re: KOPENHAGEN / KOPPENHAGEN / COPENHAGEN #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

I recall someone asking about the name KOPENHAGEN some time ago:

So for what it's worth:

Going through M. Grunwals: "Hamburgs deutsche Juden bis zur Auflosung
der Dreigemeinden 1811" printed in Hamburg 1904, I found (page 193,
No. 135, taxlist >from 1725):

Moses COPENHAGEN, merchant in Hamburg tax: 3000 Mf.

Best regards

--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: KOPENHAGEN / KOPPENHAGEN / COPENHAGEN #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

I recall someone asking about the name KOPENHAGEN some time ago:

So for what it's worth:

Going through M. Grunwals: "Hamburgs deutsche Juden bis zur Auflosung
der Dreigemeinden 1811" printed in Hamburg 1904, I found (page 193,
No. 135, taxlist >from 1725):

Moses COPENHAGEN, merchant in Hamburg tax: 3000 Mf.

Best regards

--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--