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Change of Venue #lithuania

A. Cassel <acassel@...>
 

To my fellow Keidaners,

For eight years, this list has been hosted by JewishGen, the Internet "home
of Jewish genealogy." Today I was informed that JewishGen no longer wants us
around, and plans to shut down the list at the end of the month.

Fortunately, the Internet is a big place, and alternatives exist for people
who want to keep in touch. In fact I've just now created one for us. It's on
Yahoo, and I invite everyone who finds this list useful or interesting to
join me there.

It's relatively easy to do: Just go to the website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishKeidan and follow the instructions. I
hope this will keep the list going, so we can continue to link Keidan
descendents around the world and further explore our connections to this
important and historic community.

If anyone has questions -- about why this has happened, about how to
transfer your membership to the new venue, or anything else -- please don't
hesitate to email me at acassel@...

Thanks for your cooperation, and your continued interest in Keidan.

All the best,

Andy Cassel


Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania Change of Venue #lithuania

A. Cassel <acassel@...>
 

To my fellow Keidaners,

For eight years, this list has been hosted by JewishGen, the Internet "home
of Jewish genealogy." Today I was informed that JewishGen no longer wants us
around, and plans to shut down the list at the end of the month.

Fortunately, the Internet is a big place, and alternatives exist for people
who want to keep in touch. In fact I've just now created one for us. It's on
Yahoo, and I invite everyone who finds this list useful or interesting to
join me there.

It's relatively easy to do: Just go to the website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishKeidan and follow the instructions. I
hope this will keep the list going, so we can continue to link Keidan
descendents around the world and further explore our connections to this
important and historic community.

If anyone has questions -- about why this has happened, about how to
transfer your membership to the new venue, or anything else -- please don't
hesitate to email me at acassel@...

Thanks for your cooperation, and your continued interest in Keidan.

All the best,

Andy Cassel


Nesvizh, Belarus yahrtzeit - 9 Cheshvan, this Sunday #belarus

Steinsteve@...
 

To all Nesvizh researchers, this Sunday, 9 Cheshvan 5765, represents the 63rd
anniversary of the first Nesvizh massacre, which took place on October 30,
1941, or 9 Cheshvan 5702. On that day, approximately 5000 Jewish residents of
Nesvizh were massacred by the Nazis and their collaborators, representing nearly
90% of the Jewish population. It would be appropriate to observe this by
saying Kaddish, lighting a candle, or any other way you find appropriate.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Belarus SIG #Belarus Nesvizh, Belarus yahrtzeit - 9 Cheshvan, this Sunday #belarus

Steinsteve@...
 

To all Nesvizh researchers, this Sunday, 9 Cheshvan 5765, represents the 63rd
anniversary of the first Nesvizh massacre, which took place on October 30,
1941, or 9 Cheshvan 5702. On that day, approximately 5000 Jewish residents of
Nesvizh were massacred by the Nazis and their collaborators, representing nearly
90% of the Jewish population. It would be appropriate to observe this by
saying Kaddish, lighting a candle, or any other way you find appropriate.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Who was Madame PRISTOROVA? #belarus

Steinsteve@...
 

On two Belarus Yizkor book translations currently posted at Shtetlinks, as
well as book I am currently working on >from Nesvizh, there are references to a
"Madame PRISTOROVA," apparently involved with the Polish government's banning
kosher slaughter in the 1930's in Poland. Does anyone have more information
about this person? You can Google "Madame Pristorova" for more specific
references. Thanks.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Belarus SIG #Belarus Who was Madame PRISTOROVA? #belarus

Steinsteve@...
 

On two Belarus Yizkor book translations currently posted at Shtetlinks, as
well as book I am currently working on >from Nesvizh, there are references to a
"Madame PRISTOROVA," apparently involved with the Polish government's banning
kosher slaughter in the 1930's in Poland. Does anyone have more information
about this person? You can Google "Madame Pristorova" for more specific
references. Thanks.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Name Valentin #france

Stephane Toublanc <toublanc@...>
 

This name is scarce, yes, but not unusual. Compiling Parisian Jewish
marriages 1792-1860, I have met this name at least 4 times.
As example, the musician and componist, Charles Valentin ALKAN (1813-1888)

Best regards

Stephane Toublanc
Parisian Suburban, France
toublanc@...


French SIG #France Name Valentin #france

Stephane Toublanc <toublanc@...>
 

This name is scarce, yes, but not unusual. Compiling Parisian Jewish
marriages 1792-1860, I have met this name at least 4 times.
As example, the musician and componist, Charles Valentin ALKAN (1813-1888)

Best regards

Stephane Toublanc
Parisian Suburban, France
toublanc@...


Regarding Feisboh- Letter Number 3 Oct.8 #romania

jack Salz <jrsalz@...>
 

Regarding Feisboh. Did the searcher consider that the name he is
searching for may not be spelled corretly and that it micht have been
Faibis or Fabish earlier? Rennie M. Salz

MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign all messages with your location and please capitalize
all surnames.


Romania SIG #Romania Regarding Feisboh- Letter Number 3 Oct.8 #romania

jack Salz <jrsalz@...>
 

Regarding Feisboh. Did the searcher consider that the name he is
searching for may not be spelled corretly and that it micht have been
Faibis or Fabish earlier? Rennie M. Salz

MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign all messages with your location and please capitalize
all surnames.


Brest-Litovsk, Russia Fires of 1802 to 1836 #belarus

Jim Brook <jim_brook1935@...>
 

Brest-Litovsk, Russia now Brest, Belarus – Fires of
1802 - 1836

During the period of about thirty-four years
(1802-1836) the city of Brest – Litvosk, Russia now
Brest, Belarus suffered >from four (4) disastrous
fires. The government forbids the restoration of the
burnt buildings. Though the evidences are not
available some historians state that the city was put
on fire deliberately to make its inhabitants move to
new places outside Brest, so that the Brest Fortress
could be built on the site of the original city.

Can anyone give me additional information about the
many fires that occurred between the years of 1802 –
1836?


=====
Jim Brook
New York, NY
jim_brook1935@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Brest-Litovsk, Russia Fires of 1802 to 1836 #belarus

Jim Brook <jim_brook1935@...>
 

Brest-Litovsk, Russia now Brest, Belarus – Fires of
1802 - 1836

During the period of about thirty-four years
(1802-1836) the city of Brest – Litvosk, Russia now
Brest, Belarus suffered >from four (4) disastrous
fires. The government forbids the restoration of the
burnt buildings. Though the evidences are not
available some historians state that the city was put
on fire deliberately to make its inhabitants move to
new places outside Brest, so that the Brest Fortress
could be built on the site of the original city.

Can anyone give me additional information about the
many fires that occurred between the years of 1802 –
1836?


=====
Jim Brook
New York, NY
jim_brook1935@...


Re: "Pogroms in Russia in 1881" #belarus

NFatouros@...
 

On Oct. 17, 04, Jim Brook (jim_brook1935@...) wrote in part:

Does any one have a list of the locations and dates of

these pogroms for the years 1881 and 1882?


For information detailed information about the 1881 pogroms, other than that
which can be found on the Internet, I have listed several books below which
Mr. Brook may want to consult. I should remark that there was a period of
pogrom outbreaks dating >from 1881 through 1884.

I.Michael Aronson's article "The Anti-Jewish Pogroms in Russia in 1881" in
Klier and Lambroza (see book title below) indicates that 259 recorded pogroms
occurred in villages, 4 in Jewish agricultural districts, and 36 in large
towns and townlets. In the same Aronson's own book, "Troubled Waters," there is a
6 1/2 page Table showing the towns and villages in which pogroms occurred.This book contains several other tables and other information, such as a=20
calendar of 1881 progroms. However, Aronson's information should be read
in context of other books on Jewish history. For instance, Dubnow's chapter on
"The Accession of Alexander III..." offers a number of details about the pogroms
that ensued after Alexander II assassination which are not mentioned elsewhere, and=20
in several other Jewish history books there exist descriptions of particular
pogroms, some of which quote >from individual memoirs of particular pogroms.

Also, whenever specific dates are noted in any scholarly book, attention
should be paid to dates of pogroms that may have recurred in the same local
after the initial onslaught. In some instances, pogroms were quickly quashed by
the police, while other pograms planned did not occur, as when the forewarned
Jews of Berdichev averted a pogrom by means of their own self-defense.
Details about some of the 1881 pogroms that may have occurred in any particular
locale can be found scattered throughout the following books:

Stephen M. Berk's "Year of Crisis, Year of Hope: Russian Jewry and the
Pogroms of 1881-1882," Greenwood Press, 1985

Michael Aronson's "Troubled Waters: The Origin of the 1881 Anti-Jewish
Pogroms in Russia, `1881-1882" University of Pittsburgh Press,1990.

John B. Klier and Shlomo Lombroza, editors "Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence
in Modern Jewish History, Cambridge University Press,1992

I.M. Aronson, "Troubled Waters: The Origins of the 1881 Anti-Jewish
pgoroms in Russia," University of Pittsburgh Press, 1990

Simon M. Dubnow," History of the Jews in Poland and Russia," as
reformatted and republished by Avotaynu, Inc. 2003.

I compiled the above list of books >from some of those in my own personal
library but I could list more if necessary.

According to the memoir of my maternal grandfather's first cousin, during
the 1881 pogrom in Odessa, Sender (Alexander) Belkowsky received such blows
that he never fully recovered >from his injuries and died a couple of years
after he sustained them. I am curious to know why Mr. Brook seeks a list of
1881 pogroms and I have put his inguiry in the genealogical sub-category inside
my head. I've labeled this subcategory "Is there a list somewhere?"
Note: The discrepancy between the dates of Elizabetgrad's 1881
pogrom,"April 27", which Mr. Brook found, and the one, "April 15" offered by
Professor Berk and other scholars is attributable to the difference between the
Russian calendar and that of most of the Western world.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,=20
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: "Pogroms in Russia in 1881" #belarus

NFatouros@...
 

On Oct. 17, 04, Jim Brook (jim_brook1935@...) wrote in part:

Does any one have a list of the locations and dates of

these pogroms for the years 1881 and 1882?


For information detailed information about the 1881 pogroms, other than that
which can be found on the Internet, I have listed several books below which
Mr. Brook may want to consult. I should remark that there was a period of
pogrom outbreaks dating >from 1881 through 1884.

I.Michael Aronson's article "The Anti-Jewish Pogroms in Russia in 1881" in
Klier and Lambroza (see book title below) indicates that 259 recorded pogroms
occurred in villages, 4 in Jewish agricultural districts, and 36 in large
towns and townlets. In the same Aronson's own book, "Troubled Waters," there is a
6 1/2 page Table showing the towns and villages in which pogroms occurred.This book contains several other tables and other information, such as a=20
calendar of 1881 progroms. However, Aronson's information should be read
in context of other books on Jewish history. For instance, Dubnow's chapter on
"The Accession of Alexander III..." offers a number of details about the pogroms
that ensued after Alexander II assassination which are not mentioned elsewhere, and=20
in several other Jewish history books there exist descriptions of particular
pogroms, some of which quote >from individual memoirs of particular pogroms.

Also, whenever specific dates are noted in any scholarly book, attention
should be paid to dates of pogroms that may have recurred in the same local
after the initial onslaught. In some instances, pogroms were quickly quashed by
the police, while other pograms planned did not occur, as when the forewarned
Jews of Berdichev averted a pogrom by means of their own self-defense.
Details about some of the 1881 pogroms that may have occurred in any particular
locale can be found scattered throughout the following books:

Stephen M. Berk's "Year of Crisis, Year of Hope: Russian Jewry and the
Pogroms of 1881-1882," Greenwood Press, 1985

Michael Aronson's "Troubled Waters: The Origin of the 1881 Anti-Jewish
Pogroms in Russia, `1881-1882" University of Pittsburgh Press,1990.

John B. Klier and Shlomo Lombroza, editors "Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence
in Modern Jewish History, Cambridge University Press,1992

I.M. Aronson, "Troubled Waters: The Origins of the 1881 Anti-Jewish
pgoroms in Russia," University of Pittsburgh Press, 1990

Simon M. Dubnow," History of the Jews in Poland and Russia," as
reformatted and republished by Avotaynu, Inc. 2003.

I compiled the above list of books >from some of those in my own personal
library but I could list more if necessary.

According to the memoir of my maternal grandfather's first cousin, during
the 1881 pogrom in Odessa, Sender (Alexander) Belkowsky received such blows
that he never fully recovered >from his injuries and died a couple of years
after he sustained them. I am curious to know why Mr. Brook seeks a list of
1881 pogroms and I have put his inguiry in the genealogical sub-category inside
my head. I've labeled this subcategory "Is there a list somewhere?"
Note: The discrepancy between the dates of Elizabetgrad's 1881
pogrom,"April 27", which Mr. Brook found, and the one, "April 15" offered by
Professor Berk and other scholars is attributable to the difference between the
Russian calendar and that of most of the Western world.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,=20
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Re: "Exact location of Elizabethgrad[sic] ?" #belarus

NFatouros@...
 

On Oct.17, 04 Jim Brook (jim_brook1935@...) asked:

<<Can anyone tell me the exact location of

Elisabethgrad?>>

Jewishgen's ShtetlSeeker is a good place to find exact map coordinates of
places where Jews and others lived.

The entry for Kirovograd (Elizabetgrad) in "Where We Once Walked" (WWOW)
says that its map coordinates) are: 48"30/32"18. It is 158 kilometers east of
Uman. WWOW also gives a number of spelling variants for Elizabetgrad as well
as the other names for this small city. My Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer
notes that Kirovograd experienced pogroms in 1905 and 1919 as well as in 1881.
Yelizavetgrad was renamed Zinovyevsk in 1924, Kirovo in 1936, and in 1939 was
renamed Kirovograd.




Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: "Exact location of Elizabethgrad[sic] ?" #belarus

NFatouros@...
 

On Oct.17, 04 Jim Brook (jim_brook1935@...) asked:

<<Can anyone tell me the exact location of

Elisabethgrad?>>

Jewishgen's ShtetlSeeker is a good place to find exact map coordinates of
places where Jews and others lived.

The entry for Kirovograd (Elizabetgrad) in "Where We Once Walked" (WWOW)
says that its map coordinates) are: 48"30/32"18. It is 158 kilometers east of
Uman. WWOW also gives a number of spelling variants for Elizabetgrad as well
as the other names for this small city. My Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer
notes that Kirovograd experienced pogroms in 1905 and 1919 as well as in 1881.
Yelizavetgrad was renamed Zinovyevsk in 1924, Kirovo in 1936, and in 1939 was
renamed Kirovograd.




Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


St. Louis, MO. Question #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi genners,

How do you distinquish between the 2 Chesed Shel Emet cemeteries in University
City?

Thank you.
Trudy Barch


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen St. Louis, MO. Question #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi genners,

How do you distinquish between the 2 Chesed Shel Emet cemeteries in University
City?

Thank you.
Trudy Barch


Re: Zelic Iosub #romania

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

At 01:00 AM 10/19/2004 -0500, David Chamovitz of Tel Aviv wrote:
I wonder if the name Zelic Iosub is a possible match for my Uncle Jake, born
in Romania in 1880.
It is possible but will require more research to firm this up.

The secular Romanian given name Iosub was used by Jews in that country as
their secular name for contacts with non-Jews. This was especially the
case for Jews having the Hebrew name Yoseyf. So, this name does not match
up with the uncle's name Jake (Jacob, Yaakov in Hebrew).

However, the secularized name Zelic probably came >from the Yiddish name
Zelik (written here in English characters, transliterated >from the Yiddish
characters). Now it turns out that the Yiddish name Zelik was widely used
by Jews as a kinui for the Hebrew name Yaakov -- the name that the uncle
probably had, along with his English nickname Jake. And it was quite
common for Jews who had a double name (like Yaakov Zelik) to use one or the
other of these two names in various archival documents, and sometimes both
names. So, what David found may have been a case where his uncle used only
his kinui in that one archival document.

So, David needs to find out if it is possible that his uncle had the Hebrew
name Yaakov, and perhaps if he even had also the Yiddish name Zelik/Zelic.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Zelic Iosub #romania

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

At 01:00 AM 10/19/2004 -0500, David Chamovitz of Tel Aviv wrote:
I wonder if the name Zelic Iosub is a possible match for my Uncle Jake, born
in Romania in 1880.
It is possible but will require more research to firm this up.

The secular Romanian given name Iosub was used by Jews in that country as
their secular name for contacts with non-Jews. This was especially the
case for Jews having the Hebrew name Yoseyf. So, this name does not match
up with the uncle's name Jake (Jacob, Yaakov in Hebrew).

However, the secularized name Zelic probably came >from the Yiddish name
Zelik (written here in English characters, transliterated >from the Yiddish
characters). Now it turns out that the Yiddish name Zelik was widely used
by Jews as a kinui for the Hebrew name Yaakov -- the name that the uncle
probably had, along with his English nickname Jake. And it was quite
common for Jews who had a double name (like Yaakov Zelik) to use one or the
other of these two names in various archival documents, and sometimes both
names. So, what David found may have been a case where his uncle used only
his kinui in that one archival document.

So, David needs to find out if it is possible that his uncle had the Hebrew
name Yaakov, and perhaps if he even had also the Yiddish name Zelik/Zelic.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel