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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: REINHOLD and British Intelligence #general

backon@...
 

In your case I would take a different, more public approach. Your story
sounds like stuff that Newspapers and TV love. I don't know what the
biggest newspaper is in England or the major TV station. Talk to them
on doing a news story about you and your family and your search for your
brother. Reporters love this stuff. Intrigue, human interest, lost
person, person against big government. Sounds like a feature length
movie to me! Your brother may see the story and get in touch with
you. Good luck,

I just forwraded this message by email to the Editor of the Jewish
Chronicle.

Josh Backon
backon@...


Re: REINHOLD and British Intelligence #general

backon@...
 

In your case I would take a different, more public approach. Your story
sounds like stuff that Newspapers and TV love. I don't know what the
biggest newspaper is in England or the major TV station. Talk to them
on doing a news story about you and your family and your search for your
brother. Reporters love this stuff. Intrigue, human interest, lost
person, person against big government. Sounds like a feature length
movie to me! Your brother may see the story and get in touch with
you. Good luck,

I just forwraded this message by email to the Editor of the Jewish
Chronicle.

Josh Backon
backon@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: My Greatgrandparent's Marriage #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

Steve Morgan <morgansr@...> has problems in researching
his grandfather, Harry SPREI, and his parents, who seem to have
floated confusingly between Galicia, England and the United States.
He found a marriage between Max Sprei and Rachel Heim, who may have
been his great-grandparents, in Whitechapel, London in 1901.

I confirmed this marriage on the FreeBMD site
<http://www.freebmd.org.uk>
(the other marriage on the page was between Israel Kurchinsky and
Miriam Goldfarb - which might help someone :-)

With an uncommon name like Sprei, I checked births and there is
a birth in the June Quarter of 1902
Eve Sprei, Mile End Old Town 1c 444b

This looks like the Eva who landed with Regina (or Ruchel) in New York
in 1902. Mile End Old Town (sometimes shortened to MEOT) is immediately
east of Whitechapel.

I would order one or both of these certificates >from England to see
what information they have.
Also Max Sprei should be listed on the 1901 English census which was
enumerated after his marriage.

--
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@...


Re: My Greatgrandparent's Marriage #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

Steve Morgan <morgansr@...> has problems in researching
his grandfather, Harry SPREI, and his parents, who seem to have
floated confusingly between Galicia, England and the United States.
He found a marriage between Max Sprei and Rachel Heim, who may have
been his great-grandparents, in Whitechapel, London in 1901.

I confirmed this marriage on the FreeBMD site
<http://www.freebmd.org.uk>
(the other marriage on the page was between Israel Kurchinsky and
Miriam Goldfarb - which might help someone :-)

With an uncommon name like Sprei, I checked births and there is
a birth in the June Quarter of 1902
Eve Sprei, Mile End Old Town 1c 444b

This looks like the Eva who landed with Regina (or Ruchel) in New York
in 1902. Mile End Old Town (sometimes shortened to MEOT) is immediately
east of Whitechapel.

I would order one or both of these certificates >from England to see
what information they have.
Also Max Sprei should be listed on the 1901 English census which was
enumerated after his marriage.

--
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Meaning of "Rev" #lithuania

Deborah Hatch <deborahhatch@...>
 

Can someone explain what the title "Rev" signified in the early 20th
century about a man who was not a Rabbi? Was this an indication of
completing a Yeshiva course of study? Was it only appropriate for use
after a man reached a certain age? Thanks for your help.

Deborah Hatch


Meaning of "Rev" #lithuania

Deborah Hatch <deborahhatch@...>
 

Can someone explain what the title "Rev" signified in the early 20th
century about a man who was not a Rabbi? Was this an indication of
completing a Yeshiva course of study? Was it only appropriate for use
after a man reached a certain age? Thanks for your help.

Deborah Hatch


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Kursenai and Papile, Lithuania #lithuania

Carol Baker
 

Both Kursenai and Papile are part of Siauliai Uyezd. There are no vital
records for any of the towns in the Siauliai District for the period of time
prior to 1922. We have checked all of the Lithuanian archives many times
and have been told that they were destroyed during World War II.

The Lithuanian State Historical Archive in Vilnius does have birth,
marriage, divorce and death records for Kursenai for the years 1922-1925.
As far as I know, they do not have any for Papile. For information about
obtaining these records, go to www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/faqs

Carol Coplin Baker
Siauliai District Research Group Coordinator
carolcbaker@...

From: marlene finkelstein <m51marlene@...>
Does anyone have any experience/success in locating late 19th century
through 1941 vital records (b/m/d) for Kursenai and Papile, Kovna Gub.? I
have not had any luck in finding my family on the All Lithuanian Database.
As per LitvakSig, the FHL does not have microfilms for these two towns.


Re: Kursenai and Papile, Lithuania #general

Carol Baker
 

Both Kursenai and Papile are part of Siauliai Uyezd. There are no vital
records for any of the towns in the Siauliai District for the period of time
prior to 1922. We have checked all of the Lithuanian archives many times
and have been told that they were destroyed during World War II.

The Lithuanian State Historical Archive in Vilnius does have birth,
marriage, divorce and death records for Kursenai for the years 1922-1925.
As far as I know, they do not have any for Papile. For information about
obtaining these records, go to www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/faqs

Carol Coplin Baker
Siauliai District Research Group Coordinator
carolcbaker@...

From: marlene finkelstein <m51marlene@...>
Does anyone have any experience/success in locating late 19th century
through 1941 vital records (b/m/d) for Kursenai and Papile, Kovna Gub.? I
have not had any luck in finding my family on the All Lithuanian Database.
As per LitvakSig, the FHL does not have microfilms for these two towns.


The change from ALPEROVICH to ALPERT #belarus

Ziegelman <zieg_exp@...>
 

How did Alperovitches >from Kurenitz, Postawy and Vileika all come to change
their family name >from Alperovitch to Alpert? I wonder why they all didn't
change their name to the more logical "Alper?" When was this change first
made, and how did people in different shetls learn about it?
Kind regards,
Andi Alpert (formerly Alperovitch) Ziegelman
Searching:
Alperovitch in Vileika , Postawy and Kurenitz, and maybe Dokshitz and Miadel
Feinberg in Kovarsk
Mishler/Mysli/Mishuli/Misuli >from Vilkomir
Cohen (or some variation of Cohen) >from Vilkomir


Belarus SIG #Belarus The change from ALPEROVICH to ALPERT #belarus

Ziegelman <zieg_exp@...>
 

How did Alperovitches >from Kurenitz, Postawy and Vileika all come to change
their family name >from Alperovitch to Alpert? I wonder why they all didn't
change their name to the more logical "Alper?" When was this change first
made, and how did people in different shetls learn about it?
Kind regards,
Andi Alpert (formerly Alperovitch) Ziegelman
Searching:
Alperovitch in Vileika , Postawy and Kurenitz, and maybe Dokshitz and Miadel
Feinberg in Kovarsk
Mishler/Mysli/Mishuli/Misuli >from Vilkomir
Cohen (or some variation of Cohen) >from Vilkomir


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dickman marriage certificate #general

Natalie Kutner <natalie.kutner@...>
 

I have a Brooklyn, NY marriage certificate for Nathan Dickman and Anne Krug
dated August 8, 1914, which is not my Nathan Dickman. If this is your family
I will send you the certificate.
Natalie Kutner
Denver, CO


Help with Old German & Polish Translation #general

Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
 

Dear Genners,

In my earlier post I asked for assistance in translation for what I had
incorrectly identified as Russian. Kind people have corrected me. One is
in Polish and 3 in Old German.

I ask again for assistance in this translation.

In Polish:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5221

In Old German:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5222

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5223

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5224

Please respond privately. Thanks in advance.

Barbara Ellman
barbaraellman@...
Searching: KAGLE , FASS, GREISMAN (Ulanow, Poland)
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN, DICK, DICKER (Minkovtsy, Ukraine)
GOLDSTEIN, HALPERN, HIRSCHHORN (Janow/Ivano-Frankovo, Ukraine)
HIRSCHHORN, WEISSTEIN (Chorostkow, Ukraine)
HASSMANN, HAUSMAN, KOCH, LUCHS, FURST, SONENTHALER, SONENTHAL (Drohobycz &
Boryslaw, Ukraine)


Dickman marriage certificate #general

Natalie Kutner <natalie.kutner@...>
 

I have a Brooklyn, NY marriage certificate for Nathan Dickman and Anne Krug
dated August 8, 1914, which is not my Nathan Dickman. If this is your family
I will send you the certificate.
Natalie Kutner
Denver, CO


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with Old German & Polish Translation #general

Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
 

Dear Genners,

In my earlier post I asked for assistance in translation for what I had
incorrectly identified as Russian. Kind people have corrected me. One is
in Polish and 3 in Old German.

I ask again for assistance in this translation.

In Polish:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5221

In Old German:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5222

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5223

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5224

Please respond privately. Thanks in advance.

Barbara Ellman
barbaraellman@...
Searching: KAGLE , FASS, GREISMAN (Ulanow, Poland)
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN, DICK, DICKER (Minkovtsy, Ukraine)
GOLDSTEIN, HALPERN, HIRSCHHORN (Janow/Ivano-Frankovo, Ukraine)
HIRSCHHORN, WEISSTEIN (Chorostkow, Ukraine)
HASSMANN, HAUSMAN, KOCH, LUCHS, FURST, SONENTHALER, SONENTHAL (Drohobycz &
Boryslaw, Ukraine)


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: Else GEIERSHOEFER (nee KAHN) #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

--Original Message --

I am seeking information about my great-grandmother, whose details are as
follows:

Else GEIERSHOEFER (nee KAHN)
Born on 9 Nov. 1879 in Nurnberg (Bayern, Mittelfranken
Deported to Lodz >from Hamburg on 25 Oct. 1941
Last known address in Lodz: Steinmetzstr. 21 W[ohnung ?].
died in Lodz 22 Oct. 1942

In particular, I am interested to know whether it might be possible to
identify where she was buried. >from what I have read online, it would
appear that at the time of her death proper burials would still have been
carried
out at Lodz. I understand >from a family member that she had converted to
the Lutheran church in the late 1930s, but do not know whether this would
have
been noted in Lodz and whether she was hence precluded >from burial in a
Jewish cemetery.

I am totally new to this area of research, although I have carried out
extensive research into my Jewish ancestry. My great-grandmother's death
Lodz, however, is an area I have previously shied away from, as it is still
very painful to me. Nevertheless, I thought that I might now discover some
comforting aspects, such as the fact that she may at least have received a
decent burial.

Incidentally, I cannot find Else in the Lodz Ghetto database, but she is
listed in the Yizkor book project at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Nuremberg/nur005.html

With many thanks for any help received and with very best wishes,

Shalom,
Alexander Schulenburg
-----

Dear Alexander,

I am copying my response to all Lodz researchers in the event this will aid
others in their research.

I did find your ggrandmother in the Lodz ghetto database but only by
entering information other than her surname in varying combinations, then
using the Global Text search option. Her name showed up in the search
results for “1879 and Hamburg” and was spelled GERCERHOFER. Her entry states
she lived at Steinmetz Gasse 20 Flat 2 and later moved to Steinmetz Gasse 5
on 25/1/1942. There is a note that her entry has an error. By searching her
address (again with the Global Text search option) I found two other
individuals living at the same address at the same time, meaning they may be
related to her:

Elly DRUTOWSKI, born 12/12/1877, >from Hamburg, deported to Chelmno on
10/5/1942
Leopold DRUTOWSKI, born 19/10/1878, >from Hamburg. It is noted he also
moved to Steinmetz Gasse 5 on 25/1/1942 and states his entry has an error as
well.

I question the date (and possibly location) of your ggrandmother’s death as
shown in the Nuremberg Yizkor site. Nothing in the Lodz ghetto database
gives any clue to your ggrandmother’s fate. There is no date of deportation
nor does she show up in the Lodz ghetto hospital deaths database. Her date
of death in the Nuremburg list is probably erroneous since all elderly,
infirm and children age 10 and under (with rare exceptions) were deported
from the Lodz ghetto to Chelmno during the big action in September 1942. If
your ggrandmother were still living in September 1942, it would have been
virtually impossible for her to escape these deportations. Thus, your
ggrandmother’s date of death in the Nuremburg list could be a transcription
error, an assumption on someone’s part or something else.

from this one could draw two conclusions: 1) your ggrandmother died in the
ghetto prior to September 1942 or, 2) she was deported to Chelmno prior to
or during September 1942 (note that Jews >from western Europe were among the
first deportees >from the Lodz ghetto to Chelmno, beginning in January 1942).
If she died in the ghetto, it is highly likely she would have been buried in
the Lodz Jewish cemetery. She would not have been precluded >from being
buried there, to my knowledge. If you want to verify whether or not she is
buried there, please see this page for further information on how to obtain
Lodz cemetery records: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/newcem.htm

Please feel free to share your further research with this group as it may
help someone else researching a similar question.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas
Lodz Area Research Group Co-Coordinator
Lodz ShtetLinks Coordinator


Re: Else GEIERSHOEFER (nee KAHN) #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

--Original Message --

I am seeking information about my great-grandmother, whose details are as
follows:

Else GEIERSHOEFER (nee KAHN)
Born on 9 Nov. 1879 in Nurnberg (Bayern, Mittelfranken
Deported to Lodz >from Hamburg on 25 Oct. 1941
Last known address in Lodz: Steinmetzstr. 21 W[ohnung ?].
died in Lodz 22 Oct. 1942

In particular, I am interested to know whether it might be possible to
identify where she was buried. >from what I have read online, it would
appear that at the time of her death proper burials would still have been
carried
out at Lodz. I understand >from a family member that she had converted to
the Lutheran church in the late 1930s, but do not know whether this would
have
been noted in Lodz and whether she was hence precluded >from burial in a
Jewish cemetery.

I am totally new to this area of research, although I have carried out
extensive research into my Jewish ancestry. My great-grandmother's death
Lodz, however, is an area I have previously shied away from, as it is still
very painful to me. Nevertheless, I thought that I might now discover some
comforting aspects, such as the fact that she may at least have received a
decent burial.

Incidentally, I cannot find Else in the Lodz Ghetto database, but she is
listed in the Yizkor book project at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Nuremberg/nur005.html

With many thanks for any help received and with very best wishes,

Shalom,
Alexander Schulenburg
-----

Dear Alexander,

I am copying my response to all Lodz researchers in the event this will aid
others in their research.

I did find your ggrandmother in the Lodz ghetto database but only by
entering information other than her surname in varying combinations, then
using the Global Text search option. Her name showed up in the search
results for “1879 and Hamburg” and was spelled GERCERHOFER. Her entry states
she lived at Steinmetz Gasse 20 Flat 2 and later moved to Steinmetz Gasse 5
on 25/1/1942. There is a note that her entry has an error. By searching her
address (again with the Global Text search option) I found two other
individuals living at the same address at the same time, meaning they may be
related to her:

Elly DRUTOWSKI, born 12/12/1877, >from Hamburg, deported to Chelmno on
10/5/1942
Leopold DRUTOWSKI, born 19/10/1878, >from Hamburg. It is noted he also
moved to Steinmetz Gasse 5 on 25/1/1942 and states his entry has an error as
well.

I question the date (and possibly location) of your ggrandmother’s death as
shown in the Nuremberg Yizkor site. Nothing in the Lodz ghetto database
gives any clue to your ggrandmother’s fate. There is no date of deportation
nor does she show up in the Lodz ghetto hospital deaths database. Her date
of death in the Nuremburg list is probably erroneous since all elderly,
infirm and children age 10 and under (with rare exceptions) were deported
from the Lodz ghetto to Chelmno during the big action in September 1942. If
your ggrandmother were still living in September 1942, it would have been
virtually impossible for her to escape these deportations. Thus, your
ggrandmother’s date of death in the Nuremburg list could be a transcription
error, an assumption on someone’s part or something else.

from this one could draw two conclusions: 1) your ggrandmother died in the
ghetto prior to September 1942 or, 2) she was deported to Chelmno prior to
or during September 1942 (note that Jews >from western Europe were among the
first deportees >from the Lodz ghetto to Chelmno, beginning in January 1942).
If she died in the ghetto, it is highly likely she would have been buried in
the Lodz Jewish cemetery. She would not have been precluded >from being
buried there, to my knowledge. If you want to verify whether or not she is
buried there, please see this page for further information on how to obtain
Lodz cemetery records: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lodz/newcem.htm

Please feel free to share your further research with this group as it may
help someone else researching a similar question.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas
Lodz Area Research Group Co-Coordinator
Lodz ShtetLinks Coordinator


Sprei and Heim in London -1901/1902 #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Steve Morgan of Wilmington, North Carolina wrote:
< Perhaps someone can explain this crazy mystery that I
have encountered in recent research about the parents
of my maternal grandfather. My grandfather, Harry
SPREI, was born in Tarnow, Galicia on May 25 1896. I
do not have a birth certificate for him but I know
that that date is the one we used when he was alive.
His parents were Max SPREI and Regina HEIM. >

Being in a bit of rush, I did not read through all
Steve's posting and jumped straight into the project
by looking up the 1901 census of England & Wales taken
on 31 March 1901, when I found Max and Regina SPREI
[both designated as Austrian] aged 25 and 23 resp.
indexed as husband and wife, living at 103 Rutland St,
Stepney in the East End of London together with a
group of immigrants who were mainly in the tailoring
profession. Max is described as a "mantle machinist"
and this is crossed out and "tailor" is written on top
of it. A charming vignette - caught for ever in the
records. I suspect he could not speak English and said
in German or Yiddish, when asked what his occupation,
was: "mantelmacher" ie he made coats.

There were two other entries I could find on the
internet - a marriage between Max SPREI and ? in the
March quarter of 1901. Looking at the three other
names on the page I plumped for Rachel [sic] HEIM.
Rachel is often converted to Regine.

So I then re-read the *whole* posting and I see I was
correct. I assume that little Harry [Heinrich?] was
illegitimate - his mother was only 17-18.

Alternatively, his parents had a religious and not a
civic marriage in Galicia [also not recognised under
Austrian law and hence the child was illegitimate].
Once in England, they wanted their marriage legalised.

In the June quarter of 1902, another litle SPREI
appeared on the scene in London, Eve - a legitimate
sister for Henry, one must assume - as she and her
parents are the only SPREI in the whole of England.
She then goes to the US with her parents and
eventually Harry joins them.

A young couple planning to emigrate would find it very
hard with a young child. Rachel HEIM/SPREI apparently
carefully investigated the possibility of moving to
the US by visiting her sister first, but the initial
staging-post proved to be London. Little Harry was
left "at home" with the grandparents, who may
themselves have only been in their early 40s, till
things were sorted out.

Tarnow was in Galicia, under Austrian Hapsburg rule -
so that also explains the possibility that Max and
Rachel had no legal marriage certificate. They must
have decided to rectify the matter before the census
of 1901, in case there were any further problems.

So why is this confusing - sounds perfectly logical to
me?

Celia Male [UK]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sprei and Heim in London -1901/1902 #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Steve Morgan of Wilmington, North Carolina wrote:
< Perhaps someone can explain this crazy mystery that I
have encountered in recent research about the parents
of my maternal grandfather. My grandfather, Harry
SPREI, was born in Tarnow, Galicia on May 25 1896. I
do not have a birth certificate for him but I know
that that date is the one we used when he was alive.
His parents were Max SPREI and Regina HEIM. >

Being in a bit of rush, I did not read through all
Steve's posting and jumped straight into the project
by looking up the 1901 census of England & Wales taken
on 31 March 1901, when I found Max and Regina SPREI
[both designated as Austrian] aged 25 and 23 resp.
indexed as husband and wife, living at 103 Rutland St,
Stepney in the East End of London together with a
group of immigrants who were mainly in the tailoring
profession. Max is described as a "mantle machinist"
and this is crossed out and "tailor" is written on top
of it. A charming vignette - caught for ever in the
records. I suspect he could not speak English and said
in German or Yiddish, when asked what his occupation,
was: "mantelmacher" ie he made coats.

There were two other entries I could find on the
internet - a marriage between Max SPREI and ? in the
March quarter of 1901. Looking at the three other
names on the page I plumped for Rachel [sic] HEIM.
Rachel is often converted to Regine.

So I then re-read the *whole* posting and I see I was
correct. I assume that little Harry [Heinrich?] was
illegitimate - his mother was only 17-18.

Alternatively, his parents had a religious and not a
civic marriage in Galicia [also not recognised under
Austrian law and hence the child was illegitimate].
Once in England, they wanted their marriage legalised.

In the June quarter of 1902, another litle SPREI
appeared on the scene in London, Eve - a legitimate
sister for Henry, one must assume - as she and her
parents are the only SPREI in the whole of England.
She then goes to the US with her parents and
eventually Harry joins them.

A young couple planning to emigrate would find it very
hard with a young child. Rachel HEIM/SPREI apparently
carefully investigated the possibility of moving to
the US by visiting her sister first, but the initial
staging-post proved to be London. Little Harry was
left "at home" with the grandparents, who may
themselves have only been in their early 40s, till
things were sorted out.

Tarnow was in Galicia, under Austrian Hapsburg rule -
so that also explains the possibility that Max and
Rachel had no legal marriage certificate. They must
have decided to rectify the matter before the census
of 1901, in case there were any further problems.

So why is this confusing - sounds perfectly logical to
me?

Celia Male [UK]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Lowell MA #general

E
 

I am a descendant of Lowell Jews. My great grandparents started the Price
bakery on Chelmsford and Howard in the early 1900s. They and their children
are buried in Pelham, my uncle Mendel was in charge of the cemetery until his
death. It is ooperated by the Montefiore Synagogue who have a website,
http://montefiore.torah.org/, wasbut they don't answer email. It is an active
cemetery in Pelham and an active shul. Originally it was on Howard St. (the
shul, that is) and has moved to the suburbs (?) like everything else.

Thanks for the book title, I'm gonna look into it.

Rabbi Ed Goldstein
Woodmere NY


Re: Lowell MA #general

E
 

I am a descendant of Lowell Jews. My great grandparents started the Price
bakery on Chelmsford and Howard in the early 1900s. They and their children
are buried in Pelham, my uncle Mendel was in charge of the cemetery until his
death. It is ooperated by the Montefiore Synagogue who have a website,
http://montefiore.torah.org/, wasbut they don't answer email. It is an active
cemetery in Pelham and an active shul. Originally it was on Howard St. (the
shul, that is) and has moved to the suburbs (?) like everything else.

Thanks for the book title, I'm gonna look into it.

Rabbi Ed Goldstein
Woodmere NY