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Town near Warsaw #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

Among the UK alien registration records held at the W. Midlands Police
Station Museum in my home town of Birmingham (England), I was pleased to
find an entry for a paternal great-grandfather of mine, Solomon ISAACS. All
of the records (>from 1914-1916), were handwritten, consequently, some of
the information was hard to decipher. These records are a veritable gold
mine for researchers. For e.g., in addition to the routine information,
they also include a detailed description of the individual in question,
country/town of origin, date of birth, trade or profession (if applicable),
name of spouse (wife), if married, date of arrival in Birmingham (and how
long residing in England). Unfortunately I couldn't read/identify the name
of the town my g-g-f came >from in Poland (the clerk/police officer who
interviewed my ancestor noted that it was "near Warsaw"). It could have
been one of the following:

Ualaro, Malara, or possibly Walara. Have looked at my Polish map and can't
find any town relatively close to Warsaw with a comparable or similar name.
Would appreciate input >from the group.

Please reply privately.

Naidia Woolf
rnwoolf@...
San Francisco, CA
Formerly of Birmingham, England

Researching:
DROZDIAS (or variants), Karczew, Poland, Preston, England
RAUS (or variants), Karczew, Poland
SAFIRSTEIN (or variants), Karczew, Poland, Preston, England
KUJAWSKI (or variants), Lodz, Poland, Birmingham, England
ISAACS (family of Solomon and Sarah), Poland, town near Warsaw, Birmingham,
England
SHORN (family of Morris and Yetta), Poland?, London, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Town near Warsaw #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

Among the UK alien registration records held at the W. Midlands Police
Station Museum in my home town of Birmingham (England), I was pleased to
find an entry for a paternal great-grandfather of mine, Solomon ISAACS. All
of the records (>from 1914-1916), were handwritten, consequently, some of
the information was hard to decipher. These records are a veritable gold
mine for researchers. For e.g., in addition to the routine information,
they also include a detailed description of the individual in question,
country/town of origin, date of birth, trade or profession (if applicable),
name of spouse (wife), if married, date of arrival in Birmingham (and how
long residing in England). Unfortunately I couldn't read/identify the name
of the town my g-g-f came >from in Poland (the clerk/police officer who
interviewed my ancestor noted that it was "near Warsaw"). It could have
been one of the following:

Ualaro, Malara, or possibly Walara. Have looked at my Polish map and can't
find any town relatively close to Warsaw with a comparable or similar name.
Would appreciate input >from the group.

Please reply privately.

Naidia Woolf
rnwoolf@...
San Francisco, CA
Formerly of Birmingham, England

Researching:
DROZDIAS (or variants), Karczew, Poland, Preston, England
RAUS (or variants), Karczew, Poland
SAFIRSTEIN (or variants), Karczew, Poland, Preston, England
KUJAWSKI (or variants), Lodz, Poland, Birmingham, England
ISAACS (family of Solomon and Sarah), Poland, town near Warsaw, Birmingham,
England
SHORN (family of Morris and Yetta), Poland?, London, England


Re: Percentage of Jews with Polish heritage #general

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

Lilli, by "our people", I presume you mean Jewish people.
Firstly, you need to bear in mind what you mean by "Poland". At
times in European history, the country did not exist per se and
the area was partly or totally under the rule of other countries,
including Austria-Hungary, Russia and the USSR

True, a lot of Jews lived at times in Poland and a lot of them
migrated to the USA, UK etc. But there are few countries in the
world where Jews have not also lived, so it may be somewhat
misleading to state that a disproportionally large number lived
in Poland.

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@...

*************

----Original Message-----
From: Lilli Sprintz [mailto:spri0037@...]
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 1:27 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Percentage of Jews with Polish heritage

i am developing genealogy research training materials with this
friend of mine who is gentile, and i was trying to explain to her my
belief that a disproportionately large numbers of our people have
someone in their family of polish heritage, though not everyone.

Is this true? could someone give me a statistic? Because i was
under the impression that before the holocaust, so large a proportion
of all jews in the world lived in Poland, that it seems like lots and
lots of us are polish decendents. I was also trying to explain to her,
because of hat history, why so much work has gone into creating a
database - the JRI-Index database, that allows us to research our families'
origins there.

Would the moderators care to comment?

Thanks.

Lilli Sprintz
spri0037@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Percentage of Jews with Polish heritage #general

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

Lilli, by "our people", I presume you mean Jewish people.
Firstly, you need to bear in mind what you mean by "Poland". At
times in European history, the country did not exist per se and
the area was partly or totally under the rule of other countries,
including Austria-Hungary, Russia and the USSR

True, a lot of Jews lived at times in Poland and a lot of them
migrated to the USA, UK etc. But there are few countries in the
world where Jews have not also lived, so it may be somewhat
misleading to state that a disproportionally large number lived
in Poland.

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@...

*************

----Original Message-----
From: Lilli Sprintz [mailto:spri0037@...]
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 1:27 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Percentage of Jews with Polish heritage

i am developing genealogy research training materials with this
friend of mine who is gentile, and i was trying to explain to her my
belief that a disproportionately large numbers of our people have
someone in their family of polish heritage, though not everyone.

Is this true? could someone give me a statistic? Because i was
under the impression that before the holocaust, so large a proportion
of all jews in the world lived in Poland, that it seems like lots and
lots of us are polish decendents. I was also trying to explain to her,
because of hat history, why so much work has gone into creating a
database - the JRI-Index database, that allows us to research our families'
origins there.

Would the moderators care to comment?

Thanks.

Lilli Sprintz
spri0037@...


SUCCESS STORY #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Dear members.

I finally received the death certificate for the person I called, "My
illusive aunt Sarah." This could not have been possible without the help of
many members in Detroit. This search started over two years ago with a
message requesting help in finding the 8 mile cemetery in Detroit. The many
replies gave me names and phone numbers for cemeteries in Detroit. After a
munber of phone calls, letters and checking with relatives again and again,
I ended up calling the Hebrew Memorial Park. Elaine helped by taking out
the plot maps and looking for the names and plot numbers. This was all in
the Aaron Moshe cemetery. I was told by my cousin that there were three
plots, her mother, father and one for Sarah. It turned out that Sarah was
also the name of her mother-in-law. Back to square one. Another call to my
cousin, who said that the Sarah I wanted was over three rows, next to her
two sons. Another phone call to Elaine who took out the plot maps again,
and without complaining, looked in all four directions >from the earlier
look-up. She found Sarah and the two sons, not all next to each other. She
gave me the plot numbers, the name and phone number for Herman Kiefer -
Detroit Health Department. I actually spoke to a real person, not an
answering machine. I got all the information I needed to request a death
certificate, all for only $17.00. I had originally sent a request and check
to the Michigan State Health Department, with no luck.
I don't think that anyone helping in Detroit could have found Sarah without
actually walking up and down the rows of the cemetery. One of Sarah's older
sons changed the family name >from Gershenzon to Samson, and when he buried
his mother, the name was recorded as SANSON, not even SAMSON. Being new
in this field of research, I suppose that this could have done better and
quicker, but the bottom line is that I now have the certificate, with names
of her parents, which are the names of my father's grandparents. Now I can
start in earnest on the BLECHER family.
Never give up. It just takes lots of time, patience and help.
And of course, a check will be in the mail, to help with all the good work
done by our group.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
Eileen.price@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus SUCCESS STORY #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Dear members.

I finally received the death certificate for the person I called, "My
illusive aunt Sarah." This could not have been possible without the help of
many members in Detroit. This search started over two years ago with a
message requesting help in finding the 8 mile cemetery in Detroit. The many
replies gave me names and phone numbers for cemeteries in Detroit. After a
munber of phone calls, letters and checking with relatives again and again,
I ended up calling the Hebrew Memorial Park. Elaine helped by taking out
the plot maps and looking for the names and plot numbers. This was all in
the Aaron Moshe cemetery. I was told by my cousin that there were three
plots, her mother, father and one for Sarah. It turned out that Sarah was
also the name of her mother-in-law. Back to square one. Another call to my
cousin, who said that the Sarah I wanted was over three rows, next to her
two sons. Another phone call to Elaine who took out the plot maps again,
and without complaining, looked in all four directions >from the earlier
look-up. She found Sarah and the two sons, not all next to each other. She
gave me the plot numbers, the name and phone number for Herman Kiefer -
Detroit Health Department. I actually spoke to a real person, not an
answering machine. I got all the information I needed to request a death
certificate, all for only $17.00. I had originally sent a request and check
to the Michigan State Health Department, with no luck.
I don't think that anyone helping in Detroit could have found Sarah without
actually walking up and down the rows of the cemetery. One of Sarah's older
sons changed the family name >from Gershenzon to Samson, and when he buried
his mother, the name was recorded as SANSON, not even SAMSON. Being new
in this field of research, I suppose that this could have done better and
quicker, but the bottom line is that I now have the certificate, with names
of her parents, which are the names of my father's grandparents. Now I can
start in earnest on the BLECHER family.
Never give up. It just takes lots of time, patience and help.
And of course, a check will be in the mail, to help with all the good work
done by our group.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
Eileen.price@...


Shtetl Aisenberg #belarus

Allison Vrolijk <allison_g@...>
 

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the
Shtetl Aisenberg.

We have the birth certificate of a great uncle of
mine, which reads that he was born on February 26
(March 11), 1911, in the Town of Mir, signed by
"Official Rabbi of the City of Nowygrudok, Sh.
Aisenberg."

Thanks,
Allison Vrolijk
*******************************



=====
Researching:

from Aisenberg/Mir/Nowygrudok/Minsk: SIMAKOWSKY (Isaac/Yitzrok/Isidore, son of Zalel Mordchai), EPSTEIN (Esther Malka/Mollie and Chosha-Meirka and Gussie and Sarah, daughters of Schmuel/Samuel Zelikow and Surrah Thebe/Tiebe NOVOGRUDSKY ).
from Russia: ROSUCK


Where is Intau Latvia? #courland #latvia

SAN <snayle@...>
 

On his Petition for Naturalization, my cousin once removed Dr. Martin Klein
stated that he was born in Intau, Latvia on 16 Jan 1890. Can anyone tell me
where Intau is and if its name has changed?

I have tried to find the city in the Sthetl finder and via Dogpile and
Google without success.

I wonder whether "Intau" is "Mitau" transposed and the "M" changed to an
"N." When did Mitau become Jelgava?

Martin's mother was born in Hamburg, but her father and grandfather came
from Mitau. He practiced medicine in Berlin, served as a Doctor in World War
I, and came to New York in 1936, briefly returning to Hamburg to help move
the remains of my great grandfather to Ohlsdorf when Hitler announced he
would destroy the Grindel cemetery in 1937.

Sonia Nayle
Woodland Hills, CA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Shtetl Aisenberg #belarus

Allison Vrolijk <allison_g@...>
 

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the
Shtetl Aisenberg.

We have the birth certificate of a great uncle of
mine, which reads that he was born on February 26
(March 11), 1911, in the Town of Mir, signed by
"Official Rabbi of the City of Nowygrudok, Sh.
Aisenberg."

Thanks,
Allison Vrolijk
*******************************



=====
Researching:

from Aisenberg/Mir/Nowygrudok/Minsk: SIMAKOWSKY (Isaac/Yitzrok/Isidore, son of Zalel Mordchai), EPSTEIN (Esther Malka/Mollie and Chosha-Meirka and Gussie and Sarah, daughters of Schmuel/Samuel Zelikow and Surrah Thebe/Tiebe NOVOGRUDSKY ).
from Russia: ROSUCK


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Where is Intau Latvia? #courland #latvia

SAN <snayle@...>
 

On his Petition for Naturalization, my cousin once removed Dr. Martin Klein
stated that he was born in Intau, Latvia on 16 Jan 1890. Can anyone tell me
where Intau is and if its name has changed?

I have tried to find the city in the Sthetl finder and via Dogpile and
Google without success.

I wonder whether "Intau" is "Mitau" transposed and the "M" changed to an
"N." When did Mitau become Jelgava?

Martin's mother was born in Hamburg, but her father and grandfather came
from Mitau. He practiced medicine in Berlin, served as a Doctor in World War
I, and came to New York in 1936, briefly returning to Hamburg to help move
the remains of my great grandfather to Ohlsdorf when Hitler announced he
would destroy the Grindel cemetery in 1937.

Sonia Nayle
Woodland Hills, CA


Re: patronymics #belarus

Gene Warech <operawriter@...>
 

These patronymics are based on the first name of the father. They mean
that both peoples' fathers were named Josiel. This is a Slavic custom,
similar to Hebrew or Arab with ben + father's names. The "especially"
example in the dictionary refers to Scandinavian practice.
Gehe Warech


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re:patronymics #belarus

Gene Warech <operawriter@...>
 

These patronymics are based on the first name of the father. They mean
that both peoples' fathers were named Josiel. This is a Slavic custom,
similar to Hebrew or Arab with ben + father's names. The "especially"
example in the dictionary refers to Scandinavian practice.
Gehe Warech


Re: belarus digest: November 05, 2003 :Patronymics #belarus

Alice Gutenkauf <agutenkauf@...>
 

In regard to the question about Patronymics : they are usually the result of
combining the first name of the parent with an ending meaning son of or
daughter of - in Denmark it would be Mads the son of Jens would become Mads
Jensen - no matter what Jens last name or patronymic would be. In Hebrew it
would be ben -- so that Judah son of Yehudah would be Judah ben Yehudah-
when surnames became the rule people often took the name of the town,
district, business, occupation etc or made the patronym the surname from
then on, so that Mads Jensen's children all became Jensens and Judah's
children became either Yehudah's or variations of the name. Often the
surname then became their occupation, Kaufman for a buyer etc. So looking
for someone with a Patronym means looking for the town they came >from and
not necessarily anyone else with the same name. In other countries outside
of Russia and Poland the non-jewish population were registered in the
churchbooks so one has to know not only the town but the parish- I don't
think the synagogues registered the birth, death and marriage of their
congregations but if they did that would be where to start (if possible).
Otherwise one would still have to start with the local authorities style of
registering such information.

Alice Gutenkauf
researching RIFKIND >from Rogachev and Riga, POLLACK/POPLACK/POPLAR from
Rokishiki Lithuania and Riga


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: belarus digest: November 05, 2003 :Patronymics #belarus

Alice Gutenkauf <agutenkauf@...>
 

In regard to the question about Patronymics : they are usually the result of
combining the first name of the parent with an ending meaning son of or
daughter of - in Denmark it would be Mads the son of Jens would become Mads
Jensen - no matter what Jens last name or patronymic would be. In Hebrew it
would be ben -- so that Judah son of Yehudah would be Judah ben Yehudah-
when surnames became the rule people often took the name of the town,
district, business, occupation etc or made the patronym the surname from
then on, so that Mads Jensen's children all became Jensens and Judah's
children became either Yehudah's or variations of the name. Often the
surname then became their occupation, Kaufman for a buyer etc. So looking
for someone with a Patronym means looking for the town they came >from and
not necessarily anyone else with the same name. In other countries outside
of Russia and Poland the non-jewish population were registered in the
churchbooks so one has to know not only the town but the parish- I don't
think the synagogues registered the birth, death and marriage of their
congregations but if they did that would be where to start (if possible).
Otherwise one would still have to start with the local authorities style of
registering such information.

Alice Gutenkauf
researching RIFKIND >from Rogachev and Riga, POLLACK/POPLACK/POPLAR from
Rokishiki Lithuania and Riga


Awiritcher Benevolent Society #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

I would appreciate a member or a descendant of a
member of the above society to accurately locate the
origin of this landsmanshaft. Conjecture is not enough
and Where Once We Walked, my usual safety blanket,
does not provide an answer with this spelling. I have
conjectured Ovruch and Orruch in the Ukraine and
Uvarovichi or Avarevitch in Belarus as possibilities
but as I am cataloging this for YIVO I will not allow
a reasonable conjecture to stand. Only an answer from
a member or descendant of Awiritchever will do.

Jerome Seligsohn
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev/Belarus
NUSSBAUM of Mittelsinn


Itkins from Belarus #belarus

Pavel Bernshtam <pavelb@...>
 

Hi!

I have created the full list of all known me Itkins >from Belarus,
including records >from jewishgen databases and private trees arrived to me.

You can access this MS word file at
http://javax.netfirms.com/genealogy/BelarusItkin.doc

--

SEARCHING FOR:
ITKIN - Kolyshki, Vitebsk gubernia; Kharkov
BENIOMENSON - Khislavichi (Mstislav uyezd), Kharkov
BERNSHTAM - Akimovka (Melitopol oblast), Melitopol, Povolzh'e
ALTSHULER - Priazovskoe (Pokrovka)(Melitopol oblast) , Melitopol,
Chausy (Mogilev gubernia)
KANTOR - Polonnoe (Volyn gubernia), Baranovka (Volyn gubernia), Zhitomir
LAMDAN, LAMDIN- Mlinov
ZHURAHOV, ZURAHOV - Chervonnoe (Zhitomir uyezd), Verbovo (Skvir uyezd)
, Zhitomir
KELMAN- Chervonnoe (Zhitomir uyezd), Zhitomir
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Senior Java Programmer office: +972-3-910-1945
Identify Software Inc. fax: +972-3-910-1919
email: pavelb@... web: http://www.identify.com


Botwinik Search #belarus

Merwin Rubin <Rubin@...>
 

Can anyone tell me if Igumen is also known as Humann, Fgumen, Thumen,
Shumen, Jgumen & Fhumen as compiled by the Mormons >from ship manifests,
shown on the Botwinik Family web site
www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/kurenets/k_pages/botwinik.html

Merwin Rubin #81376


Belarus SIG #Belarus Awiritcher Benevolent Society #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

I would appreciate a member or a descendant of a
member of the above society to accurately locate the
origin of this landsmanshaft. Conjecture is not enough
and Where Once We Walked, my usual safety blanket,
does not provide an answer with this spelling. I have
conjectured Ovruch and Orruch in the Ukraine and
Uvarovichi or Avarevitch in Belarus as possibilities
but as I am cataloging this for YIVO I will not allow
a reasonable conjecture to stand. Only an answer from
a member or descendant of Awiritchever will do.

Jerome Seligsohn
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev/Belarus
NUSSBAUM of Mittelsinn


Belarus SIG #Belarus Itkins from Belarus #belarus

Pavel Bernshtam <pavelb@...>
 

Hi!

I have created the full list of all known me Itkins >from Belarus,
including records >from jewishgen databases and private trees arrived to me.

You can access this MS word file at
http://javax.netfirms.com/genealogy/BelarusItkin.doc

--

SEARCHING FOR:
ITKIN - Kolyshki, Vitebsk gubernia; Kharkov
BENIOMENSON - Khislavichi (Mstislav uyezd), Kharkov
BERNSHTAM - Akimovka (Melitopol oblast), Melitopol, Povolzh'e
ALTSHULER - Priazovskoe (Pokrovka)(Melitopol oblast) , Melitopol,
Chausy (Mogilev gubernia)
KANTOR - Polonnoe (Volyn gubernia), Baranovka (Volyn gubernia), Zhitomir
LAMDAN, LAMDIN- Mlinov
ZHURAHOV, ZURAHOV - Chervonnoe (Zhitomir uyezd), Verbovo (Skvir uyezd)
, Zhitomir
KELMAN- Chervonnoe (Zhitomir uyezd), Zhitomir
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Pavel Bernshtam mobile: +972-53-39-89-44
Senior Java Programmer office: +972-3-910-1945
Identify Software Inc. fax: +972-3-910-1919
email: pavelb@... web: http://www.identify.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Botwinik Search #belarus

Merwin Rubin <Rubin@...>
 

Can anyone tell me if Igumen is also known as Humann, Fgumen, Thumen,
Shumen, Jgumen & Fhumen as compiled by the Mormons >from ship manifests,
shown on the Botwinik Family web site
www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/kurenets/k_pages/botwinik.html

Merwin Rubin #81376