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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Fried Gefilte Fish #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

This delicacy has been part of our family menus for as long as I can remember.

My mother would prepare a batch of Gefilte Fish mixture for our Shabat
dinners. She would boil it in fish broth in the more traditional way but
reserve some of the mixture to be fried as "fish patties /cakes" . The
boiled Gefilte Fish would be eaten on Friday night as part of our Shabat
meal and the cold fried fish patties would be served the next day at lunch
with salads.

I no longer prepare it for Shabat as my mother did but I certainly do it
for Rosh Hashanah and the fried fish patties are part of our "cold table"
when we return >from the Synagogue for lunch. I also prepare a large batch
of them at Pessach. My husband's favourite lunch and a must for his lunch
bag for the office.

All my family came >from Galicia but at my Litvak in-laws also prepared
fried fish patties were . Obviously very wide spread custom in the
Ashkenazi communities.

Susana Leistner Bloch


Re Fried Gefilte Fish #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

This delicacy has been part of our family menus for as long as I can remember.

My mother would prepare a batch of Gefilte Fish mixture for our Shabat
dinners. She would boil it in fish broth in the more traditional way but
reserve some of the mixture to be fried as "fish patties /cakes" . The
boiled Gefilte Fish would be eaten on Friday night as part of our Shabat
meal and the cold fried fish patties would be served the next day at lunch
with salads.

I no longer prepare it for Shabat as my mother did but I certainly do it
for Rosh Hashanah and the fried fish patties are part of our "cold table"
when we return >from the Synagogue for lunch. I also prepare a large batch
of them at Pessach. My husband's favourite lunch and a must for his lunch
bag for the office.

All my family came >from Galicia but at my Litvak in-laws also prepared
fried fish patties were . Obviously very wide spread custom in the
Ashkenazi communities.

Susana Leistner Bloch


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My Brick Wall - Golda Manya Druker #general

Sylvia Kaye <sylk@...>
 

Thanks to Stan Goodman for his ideas - Golda Manya's maiden name was
Dudelsak, and she was born in Ghliniany ....... I apologize for the
confusing way I wrote this!

....On a different subject, how sure are you of the name of the place where
this
woman was born? "Dudelsack" is German for "bagpipe", which seems an unlikely
name for a town large or small. It doesn't appear in my very large Soviet
atlas of the world, which is certainly very thorough for Ukraina, which is
where this woman lived........

I will certainly follow up the suggestion about the NY Times & the
possibility of it being available in Tel Aviv.

I had also wondered whether a coroner would have been involved in such a
case.

Sylvia Kaye (originally Kosakofski)
Israel (formerly >from London)
Searching:
DRUKER: Galicia; KOSAKOFSKI, Kiev
HYAMS: Kilburn, London
BITTAN, HARRIS: London, East End
BUCHHALTER: Siret, Austria
ROSEMANN: Mihaileni, Roumania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BLOCH #general

David Kravitz
 

My partner's single name was BLOCH, but spelled BLOGH. She claims this might
be unique outside of her immediate family. She hails >from Dublin, Ireland
where the Irish spell Loch (Scottish for a lake) as Lough, so this may well
be the reason.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel


BLOCH #general

David Kravitz
 

My partner's single name was BLOCH, but spelled BLOGH. She claims this might
be unique outside of her immediate family. She hails >from Dublin, Ireland
where the Irish spell Loch (Scottish for a lake) as Lough, so this may well
be the reason.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel


My Brick Wall - Golda Manya Druker #general

Sylvia Kaye <sylk@...>
 

Thanks to Stan Goodman for his ideas - Golda Manya's maiden name was
Dudelsak, and she was born in Ghliniany ....... I apologize for the
confusing way I wrote this!

....On a different subject, how sure are you of the name of the place where
this
woman was born? "Dudelsack" is German for "bagpipe", which seems an unlikely
name for a town large or small. It doesn't appear in my very large Soviet
atlas of the world, which is certainly very thorough for Ukraina, which is
where this woman lived........

I will certainly follow up the suggestion about the NY Times & the
possibility of it being available in Tel Aviv.

I had also wondered whether a coroner would have been involved in such a
case.

Sylvia Kaye (originally Kosakofski)
Israel (formerly >from London)
Searching:
DRUKER: Galicia; KOSAKOFSKI, Kiev
HYAMS: Kilburn, London
BITTAN, HARRIS: London, East End
BUCHHALTER: Siret, Austria
ROSEMANN: Mihaileni, Roumania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bruno Schulz/Bartischan/Truskawiec/Drohobycz #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

For those of you interested in the famous author and artist, Bruno Schulz,
who taught and lived in Drohobycz, I've posted a drawing he did in the 1930s
of Stella BARTISCHAN (BARTISZAN), whose family lived in the nearby spa town
of Truskawicz (Truskawiec), Galicia. (Poland)

Direct link to Viewmate #5411:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5411

Truskawiec, also known as "Strawberry Village," was famous for its mineral
waters and beautiful villa/hotels in the midst of a coniferous forest.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


Bruno Schulz/Bartischan/Truskawiec/Drohobycz #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

For those of you interested in the famous author and artist, Bruno Schulz,
who taught and lived in Drohobycz, I've posted a drawing he did in the 1930s
of Stella BARTISCHAN (BARTISZAN), whose family lived in the nearby spa town
of Truskawicz (Truskawiec), Galicia. (Poland)

Direct link to Viewmate #5411:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5411

Truskawiec, also known as "Strawberry Village," was famous for its mineral
waters and beautiful villa/hotels in the midst of a coniferous forest.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The etymology of Paris, Berlin, London, Deutsch . . . #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/30/2005 8:20:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ameliede@... writes:

< A Berliner or a Pariser in the Ukraine may have had an ancestor who once
made a trip to Berlin or Paris, and wouldn't stop talking about it in his
village. And Jews certainly delight in ironic appellations. >

==Sorry, of all the examples you chose, these ar the wrong ones. Nine Times
out of ten, the Berlin[er] name is derived >from Ber; according to Kaganoff, the
Paris name generally comes >from Parysow in Poland.

==In the same vein, London comes >from Lamdan, Heb. for teacher, and
England[er] was sometimes substituted for London[er]--after all, where else could
London[er] have come from? The Franks came >from Franken in Bavaria and not >from
France . .

==and Deutsch, Daitch usually has no connection with Germany but is a Hebrew
acronym for Dayan Tzedek, a righteous judge, name for a rabbi who serves as a
judge in the Jews' autonomous legal system. . .

Michael Bernet, New York


The etymology of Paris, Berlin, London, Deutsch . . . #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/30/2005 8:20:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ameliede@... writes:

< A Berliner or a Pariser in the Ukraine may have had an ancestor who once
made a trip to Berlin or Paris, and wouldn't stop talking about it in his
village. And Jews certainly delight in ironic appellations. >

==Sorry, of all the examples you chose, these ar the wrong ones. Nine Times
out of ten, the Berlin[er] name is derived >from Ber; according to Kaganoff, the
Paris name generally comes >from Parysow in Poland.

==In the same vein, London comes >from Lamdan, Heb. for teacher, and
England[er] was sometimes substituted for London[er]--after all, where else could
London[er] have come from? The Franks came >from Franken in Bavaria and not >from
France . .

==and Deutsch, Daitch usually has no connection with Germany but is a Hebrew
acronym for Dayan Tzedek, a righteous judge, name for a rabbi who serves as a
judge in the Jews' autonomous legal system. . .

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Drohobycz Soccer Team-1933-Viewmate #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I've posted the following photograph on Viewmate-#5410:

"Kadur' - the Jewish Boys Soccer (Football) Team of Drohobycz, Galicia
(Poland) taken in 1933.

at this link:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5410

The only people identified so far are:

seated, first row, far left: David Einsiedler, middle of that row, holding
the ball, Leo Zuckerberg, and standing, top row, Coach Schnepps. If you
know the identities of the others in the photo, please contact me privately.

It is a charming photograph, capturing the feeling of camaraderie between
these boys. If you know anything about the history of these sports teams and
clubs please share that with the group.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


Drohobycz Soccer Team-1933-Viewmate #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I've posted the following photograph on Viewmate-#5410:

"Kadur' - the Jewish Boys Soccer (Football) Team of Drohobycz, Galicia
(Poland) taken in 1933.

at this link:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5410

The only people identified so far are:

seated, first row, far left: David Einsiedler, middle of that row, holding
the ball, Leo Zuckerberg, and standing, top row, Coach Schnepps. If you
know the identities of the others in the photo, please contact me privately.

It is a charming photograph, capturing the feeling of camaraderie between
these boys. If you know anything about the history of these sports teams and
clubs please share that with the group.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Eloping in 1930s NY #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

For the time period you're interested in, the Department of Health issued
marriage certificates and the City Clerk issued marriage licenses. A couple
could register with one agency, the other, or both.

The Municipal Archives has DOH marriage certificates and their indexes
through 1937 (the last year they were issued).
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/marriage.shtml .

Muni has grooms indexes and brides indexes for City Clerk marriage licenses
for 1908-1951, but it only has the licenses for 1908-1929. Licenses from
1930 are only available at the City Clerk's Office.
http://nycmarriagebureau.com/about/recordroom.html

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

Subject: Eloping in 1930s NY
From: "Lisa Dashman" <ldashman@...>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:54:46 EST
X-Message-Number: 4

Dear Genners,
For some time, I've been searching for the marriage license of Rose Arlene
FROST. The 1930 US Census has her as single and living at home in
Brooklyn, but the marriage license for her *second* marriage states that
she was granted a divorce in Brooklyn in 1934. The story I was told is
that the first marriage was probably an elopement, with an Italian man, and
the marriage didn't last long.

I located a 1930 Brooklyn marriage cert, but it turned out to be the wrong
Rose FROST. I've checked the marriage index for all the NYC boroughs for
1930-1934 with no luck. (I've been told I do not qualify to obtain a copy
of the divorce decree -- which would make everything quite simple.) At
this point, I'm wondering if they went out-of-state to get married.

I know Elkton, MD was a popular place for quickie marriages in the late
1930s and 1940s. Were there any other places relatively close to NYC in
the early 1930s where a couple could easily get married?


Re: Eloping in 1930s NY #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

For the time period you're interested in, the Department of Health issued
marriage certificates and the City Clerk issued marriage licenses. A couple
could register with one agency, the other, or both.

The Municipal Archives has DOH marriage certificates and their indexes
through 1937 (the last year they were issued).
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/marriage.shtml .

Muni has grooms indexes and brides indexes for City Clerk marriage licenses
for 1908-1951, but it only has the licenses for 1908-1929. Licenses from
1930 are only available at the City Clerk's Office.
http://nycmarriagebureau.com/about/recordroom.html

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

Subject: Eloping in 1930s NY
From: "Lisa Dashman" <ldashman@...>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:54:46 EST
X-Message-Number: 4

Dear Genners,
For some time, I've been searching for the marriage license of Rose Arlene
FROST. The 1930 US Census has her as single and living at home in
Brooklyn, but the marriage license for her *second* marriage states that
she was granted a divorce in Brooklyn in 1934. The story I was told is
that the first marriage was probably an elopement, with an Italian man, and
the marriage didn't last long.

I located a 1930 Brooklyn marriage cert, but it turned out to be the wrong
Rose FROST. I've checked the marriage index for all the NYC boroughs for
1930-1934 with no luck. (I've been told I do not qualify to obtain a copy
of the divorce decree -- which would make everything quite simple.) At
this point, I'm wondering if they went out-of-state to get married.

I know Elkton, MD was a popular place for quickie marriages in the late
1930s and 1940s. Were there any other places relatively close to NYC in
the early 1930s where a couple could easily get married?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Elisabeth Derix VANLEEUWEN, 1923 - 1998, ? > San Diego, California #general

Teri Tillman <natzrose@...>
 

I am searching for someone who may have known an Elisabeth M. VAN LEEUWEN
who was named as the informant on the death certificate of Gertrude WINOGRAD
who died 23 April 1988 in San Diego, California. Elisabeth, listed as a
friend, was living at XXXX Mt. Alifan Drive in San Diego, at the time of
Gertrude's death. I believe this Elisabeth was the same Elisabeth M.
VANLEEUWEN who died 24 April 1998 in San Diego County, CA. An online
California death record for the Elisabeth who died in 1998 lists her
father's surname as DERIX and her mother's maiden name as WOLTGENS.
Elisabeth Derix VANLEEUWEN was born 25 January 1923 outside the United
States.
I am interested in Elisabeth solely because of her connection to Gertrude
WINOGRAD. Gertrude, born 1902 in Russia, immigrated to the U.S.A. about
1913, and spent most of her adult life living in New York (Rochester and
later the Bronx). She was employed for an unknown number of years as a
secretary at the Jewish Museum in New York City. She served as the executrix
of the estate of Millie Marx of Manhattan, NY, whose family I am
researching, and as such, was the last person known to possess Millie Marx's
family papers. Gertrude, who never married, was preceded in death by her
mother, Sarah Hirschenbaum WINOGRAD, her unmarried brother, Harold WINOGRAD,
and most likely also by her sister, Esther WINOGRAD, so trying to contact
any of Gertrude's immediate family is not a possibility.

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who might have been acquainted with
either Gertrude WINOGRAD or Elisabeth Derix VANLEEUWEN. Thank you.

Teri Tillman
Natchez, Mississippi


Elisabeth Derix VANLEEUWEN, 1923 - 1998, ? > San Diego, California #general

Teri Tillman <natzrose@...>
 

I am searching for someone who may have known an Elisabeth M. VAN LEEUWEN
who was named as the informant on the death certificate of Gertrude WINOGRAD
who died 23 April 1988 in San Diego, California. Elisabeth, listed as a
friend, was living at XXXX Mt. Alifan Drive in San Diego, at the time of
Gertrude's death. I believe this Elisabeth was the same Elisabeth M.
VANLEEUWEN who died 24 April 1998 in San Diego County, CA. An online
California death record for the Elisabeth who died in 1998 lists her
father's surname as DERIX and her mother's maiden name as WOLTGENS.
Elisabeth Derix VANLEEUWEN was born 25 January 1923 outside the United
States.
I am interested in Elisabeth solely because of her connection to Gertrude
WINOGRAD. Gertrude, born 1902 in Russia, immigrated to the U.S.A. about
1913, and spent most of her adult life living in New York (Rochester and
later the Bronx). She was employed for an unknown number of years as a
secretary at the Jewish Museum in New York City. She served as the executrix
of the estate of Millie Marx of Manhattan, NY, whose family I am
researching, and as such, was the last person known to possess Millie Marx's
family papers. Gertrude, who never married, was preceded in death by her
mother, Sarah Hirschenbaum WINOGRAD, her unmarried brother, Harold WINOGRAD,
and most likely also by her sister, Esther WINOGRAD, so trying to contact
any of Gertrude's immediate family is not a possibility.

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who might have been acquainted with
either Gertrude WINOGRAD or Elisabeth Derix VANLEEUWEN. Thank you.

Teri Tillman
Natchez, Mississippi


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dr. Erno SCHWARCZ #general

Giselle Bodziony
 

Dear Genners,

I contacted you some months ago, asking you to help me with my search for my
grandfather and his family.

I've been investigating now for more than 30 years, the last 5 of them very
intensely. I learned a lot, and I collected plenty of material.
In the end, I was looking for my uncle, because he was told to be the
closest living relative to my grandfather and me. After having written to
you I learned that some information was inprecise. Luckily I could find out
in different archives the precise data, finally. One says that there are no
miracles; but I learned that there are: One week ago I found my uncle and
his wife - and simultaneously three cousins. What I knew about the tragic
faith of my grandfather, Dr. Erno SCHWARCZ, sadly turned out to be true: he
was killed, together with his younger son, in a December's night in 1944 in
Budapest >from Hungarian nazis ("Kreuzpfeiler").

I'm thankful and endlessly happy now, that I found my uncle and my cousins!

I would like to thank you for your advices and all the mails.

I wish you all the best,

Giselle Bodziony


Dr. Erno SCHWARCZ #general

Giselle Bodziony
 

Dear Genners,

I contacted you some months ago, asking you to help me with my search for my
grandfather and his family.

I've been investigating now for more than 30 years, the last 5 of them very
intensely. I learned a lot, and I collected plenty of material.
In the end, I was looking for my uncle, because he was told to be the
closest living relative to my grandfather and me. After having written to
you I learned that some information was inprecise. Luckily I could find out
in different archives the precise data, finally. One says that there are no
miracles; but I learned that there are: One week ago I found my uncle and
his wife - and simultaneously three cousins. What I knew about the tragic
faith of my grandfather, Dr. Erno SCHWARCZ, sadly turned out to be true: he
was killed, together with his younger son, in a December's night in 1944 in
Budapest >from Hungarian nazis ("Kreuzpfeiler").

I'm thankful and endlessly happy now, that I found my uncle and my cousins!

I would like to thank you for your advices and all the mails.

I wish you all the best,

Giselle Bodziony


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1901 military passport #general

katie sobol <ak2727@...>
 

Ilya,

The passport is in German.

Thank you,
Katie Sobol

In what language the passport is written? Is it German or Russian? The
answer to my question will answer your question...
Ilya Zeldes


Re: 1901 military passport #general

katie sobol <ak2727@...>
 

Ilya,

The passport is in German.

Thank you,
Katie Sobol

In what language the passport is written? Is it German or Russian? The
answer to my question will answer your question...
Ilya Zeldes