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RINSDSKOPF family #germany

Susan Edel
 

Does anyone know the connection between the RINDSKOPF family and the family
of Jomtov Lippmann HELLER (the Tosfos Yomtov)? I have found a passage in
the Memorbuch of Furth, Bavaria that states that Yomtov ben Shmuel
Rindskopf was a descendant of the Tosfos Yomtov.

Hoping to hear >from someone with more information.

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel. susan@deldent.com


German SIG #Germany RINSDSKOPF family #germany

Susan Edel
 

Does anyone know the connection between the RINDSKOPF family and the family
of Jomtov Lippmann HELLER (the Tosfos Yomtov)? I have found a passage in
the Memorbuch of Furth, Bavaria that states that Yomtov ben Shmuel
Rindskopf was a descendant of the Tosfos Yomtov.

Hoping to hear >from someone with more information.

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel. susan@deldent.com


Reading tombstone on Viewmate #belarus

Fran Segall <FranSegall@...>
 

I've just posted a portion of a tombstone photo on Viewmate. It can be
found at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3333. I
would appreciate some help reading the names on it. Please respond
privately.

Thanks for your help.

Fran
Manassas, VA
FranSegall@comcast.net
***********************************
Doing research on:
Galicia, Poland: STRICK (Wielopole)
Galicia, Ukraine: LICHTMANN (Stanislavov/Ivano-Frankovs'k and
Bolszowce/Bol'shovtsy)
Belarus: BROUDA/BREWDA/BREVDA/BREWDI (Amstibove/Mstibovo)
Ukraine: KLETZEL/KLETSEL (Volhynia region)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Reading tombstone on Viewmate #belarus

Fran Segall <FranSegall@...>
 

I've just posted a portion of a tombstone photo on Viewmate. It can be
found at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3333. I
would appreciate some help reading the names on it. Please respond
privately.

Thanks for your help.

Fran
Manassas, VA
FranSegall@comcast.net
***********************************
Doing research on:
Galicia, Poland: STRICK (Wielopole)
Galicia, Ukraine: LICHTMANN (Stanislavov/Ivano-Frankovs'k and
Bolszowce/Bol'shovtsy)
Belarus: BROUDA/BREWDA/BREVDA/BREWDI (Amstibove/Mstibovo)
Ukraine: KLETZEL/KLETSEL (Volhynia region)


The "Gefilte Fish line" dividing Litvaks & Galicianers #belarus

HeyJudy123@...
 

Following is the URL linked to a fascinating report on the presentation of a
scholarly paper offered by Professor Michael Steinlauf at a genealogy meeting.


The topic of this paper was the "Gefilte Fish line" in Eastern Europe, a line
which purportedly divides Yiddish accents, and Galicianers >from Litvaks. The
thesis of the paper is that, for Jews of European descent, the decision as to
how one seasons gefilte fish is proof of the location of one's ancestral
shtetl. The Galicianer cooks use sugar in their preparations while the Litvaks
emphatically avoid that sweetness. The URL is:

www.jewishsf.com/bk990910/igifltefish.shtml [MODERATOR NOTE: I could not verify
this URL as I kept getting error reports using Internet Explorer]

Though my mother's father was a Galicianer, and her mother was Hungarian,
both of my father's parents were proud of being >from Vilna, so much so that I was
given the impression that coming >from anywhere else in Eastern Europe must
have been second-rate. To my father, the highest compliment was saying that
someone spoke a "pure Litvak Yiddish." Having now read more of the history of
how the Jews were treated in Lithuania, I can't say that I understand this
misplaced pride.

Thus, growing up in New York during the 1960's, I heard plenty of Galicianer
jokes.

Yet my closest friend's parents were Galicianers and, predictably, they made
Litvak jokes.

Personally, I have to say that, 60 years after the annihilation of the Shoah,
these distinctions seem meaningless, mean-spirited and divisive, and that I
feel such discussions should be saved only for the history books.

Judy Segal, NYC


Belarus SIG #Belarus The "Gefilte Fish line" dividing Litvaks & Galicianers #belarus

HeyJudy123@...
 

Following is the URL linked to a fascinating report on the presentation of a
scholarly paper offered by Professor Michael Steinlauf at a genealogy meeting.


The topic of this paper was the "Gefilte Fish line" in Eastern Europe, a line
which purportedly divides Yiddish accents, and Galicianers >from Litvaks. The
thesis of the paper is that, for Jews of European descent, the decision as to
how one seasons gefilte fish is proof of the location of one's ancestral
shtetl. The Galicianer cooks use sugar in their preparations while the Litvaks
emphatically avoid that sweetness. The URL is:

www.jewishsf.com/bk990910/igifltefish.shtml [MODERATOR NOTE: I could not verify
this URL as I kept getting error reports using Internet Explorer]

Though my mother's father was a Galicianer, and her mother was Hungarian,
both of my father's parents were proud of being >from Vilna, so much so that I was
given the impression that coming >from anywhere else in Eastern Europe must
have been second-rate. To my father, the highest compliment was saying that
someone spoke a "pure Litvak Yiddish." Having now read more of the history of
how the Jews were treated in Lithuania, I can't say that I understand this
misplaced pride.

Thus, growing up in New York during the 1960's, I heard plenty of Galicianer
jokes.

Yet my closest friend's parents were Galicianers and, predictably, they made
Litvak jokes.

Personally, I have to say that, 60 years after the annihilation of the Shoah,
these distinctions seem meaningless, mean-spirited and divisive, and that I
feel such discussions should be saved only for the history books.

Judy Segal, NYC


Looking for Judith Shaw #belarus

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Looking for Judith Shaw's e-mail address as her
entry in JGFF for Becker >from Khomsk is longer
valid. [MODERATOR NOTE: Please report "bad" email addresses to LostNFound@lyris.
jewishgen.org]

Thanks for any help on this.

Diane Glazer Jacobs
New York
RESEARCHING GLAZER, GLASSER, GALOSSHOFF, BECKER, KLEINMAN, CHEMERINSKY
GREENFIELD, FEINERG >from Kartuz Bereza, Khomsk and Motole in
Grodno Gubernia


Belarus SIG #Belarus Looking for Judith Shaw #belarus

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Looking for Judith Shaw's e-mail address as her
entry in JGFF for Becker >from Khomsk is longer
valid. [MODERATOR NOTE: Please report "bad" email addresses to LostNFound@lyris.
jewishgen.org]

Thanks for any help on this.

Diane Glazer Jacobs
New York
RESEARCHING GLAZER, GLASSER, GALOSSHOFF, BECKER, KLEINMAN, CHEMERINSKY
GREENFIELD, FEINERG >from Kartuz Bereza, Khomsk and Motole in
Grodno Gubernia


Independent Horodoker Benevolent Aid Association #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

The name list of this landsmanshaft can be found on
www.jewishgen.org/belarus
It can be clicked on where found on the right side of
the webpage.If you recognize names of relatives on
this list I would appreciate hearing >from you. The
location that I suggest is a conjecture and I
anticipate hearing what family members believe it to
be. If not pinpointing by latitude and longitude I
would be satisfied by one of the following: Belarus,
Poland,Ukraine.
May we limit this to family members only. As in
previous messages the Gorodok-Horodok name can be
found in all eastern European Slavic nations.

Jerome Seligsohn
NYC
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev/Dnepr

MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies only


Belarus SIG #Belarus Independent Horodoker Benevolent Aid Association #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

The name list of this landsmanshaft can be found on
www.jewishgen.org/belarus
It can be clicked on where found on the right side of
the webpage.If you recognize names of relatives on
this list I would appreciate hearing >from you. The
location that I suggest is a conjecture and I
anticipate hearing what family members believe it to
be. If not pinpointing by latitude and longitude I
would be satisfied by one of the following: Belarus,
Poland,Ukraine.
May we limit this to family members only. As in
previous messages the Gorodok-Horodok name can be
found in all eastern European Slavic nations.

Jerome Seligsohn
NYC
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev/Dnepr

MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies only


Pennsylvania Vital Records Fee increases #belarus

Michelle Leo <shell-leo@...>
 

Effective January 1, 2004, Pennsylvania will increase the fees for Birth
Certificates >from $4.00 to $10.00 and for Death Certificates >from $3.00 to
$9.00. All requests postmarked by December 31, 2003 will be honored at the
old fee amount, for those of us who have procrastinated ordering records.
See details on ordering at
www.dsf.health.state.pa.us/health/cwp/view.asp?a=168&q=202275.

Wishing everyone a happy new year.

Michelle Leo
Pittsburgh, PA

Searching: ROLNIK (Pinsk, Belarus & USA), GOLDSMITH (Ukraine & NY), KAPLAN
(Odessa, Ukraine & NY), Needleman (Narovlya, Belarus & USA), and RAIDER
(REDER) -Belarus, Ukraine and USA.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Pennsylvania Vital Records Fee increases #belarus

Michelle Leo <shell-leo@...>
 

Effective January 1, 2004, Pennsylvania will increase the fees for Birth
Certificates >from $4.00 to $10.00 and for Death Certificates >from $3.00 to
$9.00. All requests postmarked by December 31, 2003 will be honored at the
old fee amount, for those of us who have procrastinated ordering records.
See details on ordering at
www.dsf.health.state.pa.us/health/cwp/view.asp?a=168&q=202275.

Wishing everyone a happy new year.

Michelle Leo
Pittsburgh, PA

Searching: ROLNIK (Pinsk, Belarus & USA), GOLDSMITH (Ukraine & NY), KAPLAN
(Odessa, Ukraine & NY), Needleman (Narovlya, Belarus & USA), and RAIDER
(REDER) -Belarus, Ukraine and USA.


Dora Wasserman Dies at Age 84 #yiddish

David Harris <dorsharris@...>
 

The December 26, 2003 issue of the Forward, carried the obituary of Dora
WASSERMAN, called the Grand Dame of the Yiddish Theater. Born in the
Ukraine, she fled to Kazakhstan at the start of World War 2, and eventually
made her way to Canada in 1950. In Montreal, she formed the Yiddish Drama
Group which evolved into the Yiddish Theatre and was later renamed as the
Dora Wasserman Yiddish Theatre.

She was responsible as producer and/or director for the presentation of
more than 70 plays since the Yiddish Theatre was founded in 1967. In 1993,
she was the recipient of Canada's highest honor awarded to civilians, the
Order of Canada. Quebec's Order of Quebec was awarded in October 2003. Ms.
Wasserman died of natural causes on December 15, 2003 in Montreal. She is
survived by her children, Bryna Wasserman of Montreal and Ella GEFFEN of
Israel, as well as grand children and great grand children.

David Harris
Silver Spring, MD


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Dora Wasserman Dies at Age 84 #yiddish

David Harris <dorsharris@...>
 

The December 26, 2003 issue of the Forward, carried the obituary of Dora
WASSERMAN, called the Grand Dame of the Yiddish Theater. Born in the
Ukraine, she fled to Kazakhstan at the start of World War 2, and eventually
made her way to Canada in 1950. In Montreal, she formed the Yiddish Drama
Group which evolved into the Yiddish Theatre and was later renamed as the
Dora Wasserman Yiddish Theatre.

She was responsible as producer and/or director for the presentation of
more than 70 plays since the Yiddish Theatre was founded in 1967. In 1993,
she was the recipient of Canada's highest honor awarded to civilians, the
Order of Canada. Quebec's Order of Quebec was awarded in October 2003. Ms.
Wasserman died of natural causes on December 15, 2003 in Montreal. She is
survived by her children, Bryna Wasserman of Montreal and Ella GEFFEN of
Israel, as well as grand children and great grand children.

David Harris
Silver Spring, MD


Jacob BECKER and family #belarus

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

After months of research, I have gone back another generation
to the first cousin of my grandfather David GLAZER or GLASSER
(b. GALOSSHOFF). I have found Jacob BECKER, wife Rachel and
son Frank Becker having emigrated >from Chomsk or Bereza, Russia
in 1897 to NYC , then moving to Toronto, Canada, and then in
1925 emigrating to Miami Beach.

Jacob Becker was a builder and property owner having founded the
Congregation Beth Jacob (the first synagogue in Miami Beach)in 1929
And was the first President.

His father was Boroch Becker and mother Rachel KLEINMAN Becker. Jacob's
Brothers were David Becker of Brooklyn and Miami Beach and Israel and
Isadore Becker of Brooklyn, and sisters Sarah Becker SCHAFER and Hannah
Becker POLDY or Springfield, MA.

Anyone having information or connections to this family, please advise.

Thank you.

Diane Glazer Jacobs
New York


Belarus SIG #Belarus Jacob BECKER and family #belarus

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

After months of research, I have gone back another generation
to the first cousin of my grandfather David GLAZER or GLASSER
(b. GALOSSHOFF). I have found Jacob BECKER, wife Rachel and
son Frank Becker having emigrated >from Chomsk or Bereza, Russia
in 1897 to NYC , then moving to Toronto, Canada, and then in
1925 emigrating to Miami Beach.

Jacob Becker was a builder and property owner having founded the
Congregation Beth Jacob (the first synagogue in Miami Beach)in 1929
And was the first President.

His father was Boroch Becker and mother Rachel KLEINMAN Becker. Jacob's
Brothers were David Becker of Brooklyn and Miami Beach and Israel and
Isadore Becker of Brooklyn, and sisters Sarah Becker SCHAFER and Hannah
Becker POLDY or Springfield, MA.

Anyone having information or connections to this family, please advise.

Thank you.

Diane Glazer Jacobs
New York


Re: litvaks and gallicianers, also hamburg emmigration database #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "esther buchsbaum"
i heard that the
dividing line between the litvaks and
gallicianers was where the people started making
gefulte fish with sugar added. the litvaks
didn't use sugar.
Sorry to bust your bubble Esther, but my grandma was born in Kozhanhorodok,
Belarus. She was a Litvak and she not only put sugar in her gefilta fish,
she put sugar in her rice dishes as well. Mmmmm good! But she always told
my mother:"Don't tell anyone."
Larry Gaum

MODERATOR NOTE: Thread is now closed. Please continue privately.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: litvaks and gallicianers, also hamburg emmigration database #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "esther buchsbaum"
i heard that the
dividing line between the litvaks and
gallicianers was where the people started making
gefulte fish with sugar added. the litvaks
didn't use sugar.
Sorry to bust your bubble Esther, but my grandma was born in Kozhanhorodok,
Belarus. She was a Litvak and she not only put sugar in her gefilta fish,
she put sugar in her rice dishes as well. Mmmmm good! But she always told
my mother:"Don't tell anyone."
Larry Gaum

MODERATOR NOTE: Thread is now closed. Please continue privately.


Re: Litvaks in New York #belarus

Joy Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

Varda,

I believe that the stereotype goes back a lot further than the
Holocaust. The settlement of Eastern European Jews in New York dates to
a little before 1900. My own grandparents all came between 1900 and
1907. They were Litvaks and very proud of it. And there were whole areas
on the Lower East Side and Brooklyn filled with their landsleit. Other
blocks filled with Galicianers. For a number of years these communities
stuck to their own neighborhoods and their own shuls. But eventually and
inevitably, the sons and daughters met in the public schools and
workplaces and "intermarried." The Bubbes remembered by the next
generation probably didn't seem all that distinctive >from each other. By
the time the Holocaust survivors came, the stereotype of the "Russian
Jew" was well established with no distinction made by the outside world
between the two. Only the tales and the jokes remained to mark their
origins.

My mother loved to tell a joke on the Galicianers about how two crows
fought over a piece of meat. The Gal. crow had it in his beak and the
Lit. crow asked what it was. The Gal. crow said "fl-eye-sch," thereby
opening his beak and dropping the meat. Then the Lit. crow picked it up
and the Gal. crow tried to pull the same trick, but the Lit. crow said
"fl-aye-sch" with his beak closed and kept the meat. Thus "proving" the
superiority of the Litvaks.

Joy Weaver
Islip, NY, USA

Dov & Varda wrote:

I was discussing with a fellow Jewishgenner the fact that the prototypical
New York Jewish humor never seemed to fit my experience of the Jewish
relatives I had. I believe that this is because 94% of Lithuanian Jewry was
wiped out in the Holocaust. It is likely that the stereotypical New York
Jewish Bubbe is a Galicianer, IMHO.

Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Litvaks in New York #belarus

Joy Weaver <joyweave@...>
 

Varda,

I believe that the stereotype goes back a lot further than the
Holocaust. The settlement of Eastern European Jews in New York dates to
a little before 1900. My own grandparents all came between 1900 and
1907. They were Litvaks and very proud of it. And there were whole areas
on the Lower East Side and Brooklyn filled with their landsleit. Other
blocks filled with Galicianers. For a number of years these communities
stuck to their own neighborhoods and their own shuls. But eventually and
inevitably, the sons and daughters met in the public schools and
workplaces and "intermarried." The Bubbes remembered by the next
generation probably didn't seem all that distinctive >from each other. By
the time the Holocaust survivors came, the stereotype of the "Russian
Jew" was well established with no distinction made by the outside world
between the two. Only the tales and the jokes remained to mark their
origins.

My mother loved to tell a joke on the Galicianers about how two crows
fought over a piece of meat. The Gal. crow had it in his beak and the
Lit. crow asked what it was. The Gal. crow said "fl-eye-sch," thereby
opening his beak and dropping the meat. Then the Lit. crow picked it up
and the Gal. crow tried to pull the same trick, but the Lit. crow said
"fl-aye-sch" with his beak closed and kept the meat. Thus "proving" the
superiority of the Litvaks.

Joy Weaver
Islip, NY, USA

Dov & Varda wrote:

I was discussing with a fellow Jewishgenner the fact that the prototypical
New York Jewish humor never seemed to fit my experience of the Jewish
relatives I had. I believe that this is because 94% of Lithuanian Jewry was
wiped out in the Holocaust. It is likely that the stereotypical New York
Jewish Bubbe is a Galicianer, IMHO.

Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel