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Re: Kitchener Internment Camp for Jews in Kent #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

< NFatouros@aol.com > wrote in message news:110.46a9b0c0.2f7beb1b@aol.com...

On Mar. 29, 05, Chantal Auerbach (chantal.auerbach@btconnect.com) wrote:

<< Would anyone be able to tell me if there is any resource that one can
go to, to find details of internees at the above camp? >>

I have done various searches via the internet and I have drawn a blank.

I did a very quick google search using the terms "Kitchener Kent Jews"
and almost instantly turned up:

http://www.archives.lib.soton.ac.uk/guide/MS116-1-25.shtml

where it says that in the Special Collections of the University of
Southhampton there are copies of the "Kitcherner Camp Review," the Journal
of the Kitchener Camp for Refugees at Richborough, near Sandwich, Kent,
March-November 1939.

The listings at the above Southampton Library's special collections website
also show that there are quite a few documents, letters, etc., concerning
Jews, although the entry for the Kitchchener camp doesn't specify "Jews"
but only "refugees."

I attended Southampton University and they host the Parkes Library which is
a library (and institute) containing collections of Jewish interest
http://www.parkes.soton.ac.uk/welcome.htm

It would seem that the Kitchener camp papers are located in the main
Library.

Incidentally I was a resident of Montefiore House, named not after Sir Moses
M but Claude Montefiore who was an early Principal.

I found out recently that the opposite building was the home of Samuel
Montagu (later Lord Swaythling) who founded the Federation of Synagogues.
http://www.archive6.lib.soton.ac.uk/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=ciahsg.3.4

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kitchener Internment Camp for Jews in Kent #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

< NFatouros@aol.com > wrote in message news:110.46a9b0c0.2f7beb1b@aol.com...

On Mar. 29, 05, Chantal Auerbach (chantal.auerbach@btconnect.com) wrote:

<< Would anyone be able to tell me if there is any resource that one can
go to, to find details of internees at the above camp? >>

I have done various searches via the internet and I have drawn a blank.

I did a very quick google search using the terms "Kitchener Kent Jews"
and almost instantly turned up:

http://www.archives.lib.soton.ac.uk/guide/MS116-1-25.shtml

where it says that in the Special Collections of the University of
Southhampton there are copies of the "Kitcherner Camp Review," the Journal
of the Kitchener Camp for Refugees at Richborough, near Sandwich, Kent,
March-November 1939.

The listings at the above Southampton Library's special collections website
also show that there are quite a few documents, letters, etc., concerning
Jews, although the entry for the Kitchchener camp doesn't specify "Jews"
but only "refugees."

I attended Southampton University and they host the Parkes Library which is
a library (and institute) containing collections of Jewish interest
http://www.parkes.soton.ac.uk/welcome.htm

It would seem that the Kitchener camp papers are located in the main
Library.

Incidentally I was a resident of Montefiore House, named not after Sir Moses
M but Claude Montefiore who was an early Principal.

I found out recently that the opposite building was the home of Samuel
Montagu (later Lord Swaythling) who founded the Federation of Synagogues.
http://www.archive6.lib.soton.ac.uk/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=ciahsg.3.4

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Re: Black apron as a sign of mourning #galicia

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 1/22/05 10:49:09 AM, Susana Leistser Bloch (bloch@mts.net)
wrote:

<< I am hoping that someone can explain the use of a black apron used by
Jewish woman during Shiva or Shloshim.

My mother once told me that when someone died in the family the women who
was directly related to the deceased(daughters, sisters)wore a black
apron as a sign of mourning. This happened in Suchostaw (Eastern Galicia).
Was this a custom throughout Eastern Europe or a local custom?>>

I know that at least one person replied, saying she thought that it was a
universal custom. But I myself forgot to write in to mention an episode in Der
Nister's novel, "Der Family Mashber," during which a brother of Moses Mashber
was about to be married to one of the family's servants. Although Mashber
family had been in mourning over the death of one of its daughters, they were
in haste, for reasons I won't explain, to see that the marriage take place
before the month-long period of mourning had ended. Moses' wife Gitl and the
remaining daughter took off the black aprons they had worn as part of the attire
they had donned to mourn the recent death of the other of the family's two
daughters. The two women were to resume wearing the aprons after the wedding
ceremonoy and its festive dancing. (The saga of Mashber family takes place in
the Ukranian town of Berdichev.)


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Black apron as a sign of mourning #galicia

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 1/22/05 10:49:09 AM, Susana Leistser Bloch (bloch@mts.net)
wrote:

<< I am hoping that someone can explain the use of a black apron used by
Jewish woman during Shiva or Shloshim.

My mother once told me that when someone died in the family the women who
was directly related to the deceased(daughters, sisters)wore a black
apron as a sign of mourning. This happened in Suchostaw (Eastern Galicia).
Was this a custom throughout Eastern Europe or a local custom?>>

I know that at least one person replied, saying she thought that it was a
universal custom. But I myself forgot to write in to mention an episode in Der
Nister's novel, "Der Family Mashber," during which a brother of Moses Mashber
was about to be married to one of the family's servants. Although Mashber
family had been in mourning over the death of one of its daughters, they were
in haste, for reasons I won't explain, to see that the marriage take place
before the month-long period of mourning had ended. Moses' wife Gitl and the
remaining daughter took off the black aprons they had worn as part of the attire
they had donned to mourn the recent death of the other of the family's two
daughters. The two women were to resume wearing the aprons after the wedding
ceremonoy and its festive dancing. (The saga of Mashber family takes place in
the Ukranian town of Berdichev.)


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Czar's Army... #general

Jebra47@...
 

This might not be directly applicable, but everyone should be aware that
there is a book at the Jewish History Library titled "Jews in the Army". It is in
the Russian language and it lists the Russian Jews who died in the
Russo-Japanese War of 1905. I don't know if it also
lists those who survived the war because that was not the focus of my
research.

Jeffrey Arkin
ARKIN/ORKIN-Hlusk,Bobruisk
WOLFSON-Hlusk, Bobruisk
GRANOFSKY-Rumania, Odessa
BRONFEIN-Odessa


Outbound Shipping Manifest #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Hello all;

I have a relative who I know made a trip back to Europe some years after
coming to the US.

I have a photograph showing this relative on board the SS Grosser Kurfurst
of Bremen.Writing on the photograph indicates the photo was taken on 17 June
1908.

I know this same relative arrived via Ellis island on 15 September 1908
(different ship). I have accessed the shipping manifest >from Ellis island,
but there is no information as to where she had been; it merely states her
name, age and the fact that she was a US citizen.

I'm hoping that the shipping manifest for the trip >from the US to Europe
might show her intended destination. Would anyone know where I would find
the shipping manifest for a trip *from* the US to Europe? Would it likely show
destination?

I have checked, and she is not in the index to passports, so she traveled
without one.

Thanks for the help.


Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Czar's Army... #general

Jebra47@...
 

This might not be directly applicable, but everyone should be aware that
there is a book at the Jewish History Library titled "Jews in the Army". It is in
the Russian language and it lists the Russian Jews who died in the
Russo-Japanese War of 1905. I don't know if it also
lists those who survived the war because that was not the focus of my
research.

Jeffrey Arkin
ARKIN/ORKIN-Hlusk,Bobruisk
WOLFSON-Hlusk, Bobruisk
GRANOFSKY-Rumania, Odessa
BRONFEIN-Odessa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Outbound Shipping Manifest #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Hello all;

I have a relative who I know made a trip back to Europe some years after
coming to the US.

I have a photograph showing this relative on board the SS Grosser Kurfurst
of Bremen.Writing on the photograph indicates the photo was taken on 17 June
1908.

I know this same relative arrived via Ellis island on 15 September 1908
(different ship). I have accessed the shipping manifest >from Ellis island,
but there is no information as to where she had been; it merely states her
name, age and the fact that she was a US citizen.

I'm hoping that the shipping manifest for the trip >from the US to Europe
might show her intended destination. Would anyone know where I would find
the shipping manifest for a trip *from* the US to Europe? Would it likely show
destination?

I have checked, and she is not in the index to passports, so she traveled
without one.

Thanks for the help.


Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


community names on the EIDB #general

Joseph Fibel <JFibel@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Barbara Zimmer mentions two different spellings >from her relative's Arrival
Manifests aken >from the Ellis Island Data Base. The spellings of the names was
one of the questions the interrogators did ask at Ellis sland and other entry
ports.

A couple of years ago one of my wife's landslayt,Judy Baston, extracted and
downloaded >from the EIDB the names of all immigrants >from the town of Eishishok
(in Lithuania).
There were 450 of them. I was interested in how the immigrants spelled this
community's name so I made a spread sheet of them with arrival dates. There were
105 different spellings of Eishishok. This name was spelled beginning with every
vowel of the alphabet, a,e,i,o and u.
These were published in Avotaynu's "Nu, What's Nu" about a year ago.

So you really have to use your imagination if you don't find your relative's
origin on the first try.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen community names on the EIDB #general

Joseph Fibel <JFibel@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Barbara Zimmer mentions two different spellings >from her relative's Arrival
Manifests aken >from the Ellis Island Data Base. The spellings of the names was
one of the questions the interrogators did ask at Ellis sland and other entry
ports.

A couple of years ago one of my wife's landslayt,Judy Baston, extracted and
downloaded >from the EIDB the names of all immigrants >from the town of Eishishok
(in Lithuania).
There were 450 of them. I was interested in how the immigrants spelled this
community's name so I made a spread sheet of them with arrival dates. There were
105 different spellings of Eishishok. This name was spelled beginning with every
vowel of the alphabet, a,e,i,o and u.
These were published in Avotaynu's "Nu, What's Nu" about a year ago.

So you really have to use your imagination if you don't find your relative's
origin on the first try.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY


looking for information on people from lackenbach #general

yael <yael.g@...>
 

Hello everyone;

I am looking for family information on the HACKER family >from Lackenbach
Austria/Hungery.

I wrote to Eisenstadt archive but did not get a reply.

Can anyone direct me where else can I look for this information.

Thank you

Yael Goetzler


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen looking for information on people from lackenbach #general

yael <yael.g@...>
 

Hello everyone;

I am looking for family information on the HACKER family >from Lackenbach
Austria/Hungery.

I wrote to Eisenstadt archive but did not get a reply.

Can anyone direct me where else can I look for this information.

Thank you

Yael Goetzler


Dave Fox #belarus

D R Williams <d_r_williams6@...>
 

Dear Dave thanks for all your hard work for the sig.
Best wishes Denise Williams
Stockport England


Re: Rashi's Brother? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article < 00e801c5350e$952b8a00$e0342950@hppavilion >,
LR < lreich@tiscali.co.uk > wrote:
Claire Sztern < claire.sztern@gmail.com > posted:-
I'm looking for infos about Shimon, the brother of Rashi. I've seen his name
several times, but never any detail. Did he live a very ordinary life, did
he die young, I don't know... I would be interested to know though!
I've never heard of any brother of Rashi, let alone one called Shimon.
A generation or two before Rashi there was a Paytan (author of liturgical
poetry)called Rabbi Shimon ben Yitzchok, several of whose compositions appear in
siddurim and (mainly Ashkenasi) machzorim. He was probably related to Rashi.
The online Jewish Encyclopedia
< http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=121&letter=R&search=rashi >
doesn't mention a brother, but does say "R. Simon the Elder was his maternal
uncle".

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Belarus SIG #Belarus Dave Fox #belarus

D R Williams <d_r_williams6@...>
 

Dear Dave thanks for all your hard work for the sig.
Best wishes Denise Williams
Stockport England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rashi's Brother? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article < 00e801c5350e$952b8a00$e0342950@hppavilion >,
LR < lreich@tiscali.co.uk > wrote:
Claire Sztern < claire.sztern@gmail.com > posted:-
I'm looking for infos about Shimon, the brother of Rashi. I've seen his name
several times, but never any detail. Did he live a very ordinary life, did
he die young, I don't know... I would be interested to know though!
I've never heard of any brother of Rashi, let alone one called Shimon.
A generation or two before Rashi there was a Paytan (author of liturgical
poetry)called Rabbi Shimon ben Yitzchok, several of whose compositions appear in
siddurim and (mainly Ashkenasi) machzorim. He was probably related to Rashi.
The online Jewish Encyclopedia
< http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=121&letter=R&search=rashi >
doesn't mention a brother, but does say "R. Simon the Elder was his maternal
uncle".

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Re: Kitchener Internment Camp for Jews in Kent #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

< NFatouros@aol.com > wrote in message news:110.46a9b0c0.2f7beb1b@aol.com...

On Mar. 29, 05, Chantal Auerbach (chantal.auerbach@btconnect.com) wrote:

<< Would anyone be able to tell me if there is any resource that one can
go to, to find details of internees at the above camp? >>

I have done various searches via the internet and I have drawn a blank.

I did a very quick google search using the terms "Kitchener Kent Jews" and
almost instantly turned up:

http://www.archives.lib.soton.ac.uk/guide/MS116-1-25.shtml

where it says that in the Special Collections of the University of
Southhampton there are copies of the "Kitcherner Camp Review," the Journal
of the Kitchener Camp for Refugees at Richborough, near Sandwich, Kent,
March-November 1939.

The listings at the above Southampton Library's special collections website
also show that there are quite a few documents, letters, etc., concerning
Jews, although the entry for the Kitchchener camp doesn't specify "Jews"
but only "refugees."
Southampton Univ have also carried out a survey of Jewish archives in the
British Isles.

http://www.archive5.lib.soton.ac.uk/

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kitchener Internment Camp for Jews in Kent #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

< NFatouros@aol.com > wrote in message news:110.46a9b0c0.2f7beb1b@aol.com...

On Mar. 29, 05, Chantal Auerbach (chantal.auerbach@btconnect.com) wrote:

<< Would anyone be able to tell me if there is any resource that one can
go to, to find details of internees at the above camp? >>

I have done various searches via the internet and I have drawn a blank.

I did a very quick google search using the terms "Kitchener Kent Jews" and
almost instantly turned up:

http://www.archives.lib.soton.ac.uk/guide/MS116-1-25.shtml

where it says that in the Special Collections of the University of
Southhampton there are copies of the "Kitcherner Camp Review," the Journal
of the Kitchener Camp for Refugees at Richborough, near Sandwich, Kent,
March-November 1939.

The listings at the above Southampton Library's special collections website
also show that there are quite a few documents, letters, etc., concerning
Jews, although the entry for the Kitchchener camp doesn't specify "Jews"
but only "refugees."
Southampton Univ have also carried out a survey of Jewish archives in the
British Isles.

http://www.archive5.lib.soton.ac.uk/

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Re: Czar's Army & Czarina's Guard Records? #general

Jules Levin
 

At 10:54 AM 3/29/2005, you wrote:
I'm wondering if a register of the Jews who were in the Czar's army exists, and
if yes where I could find it.
[snip]
After leaving he became a station master in Garwolin. Much later, when already he
had children, he was attacked by Cossacks, but their chief told them to leave him
alone. It is not clear if they knew each other, or if the chief was impressed by
his medals. He died in July 1939 in Garwolin.
Does anyone know at what age the people started the army at that time?
It would help me situate his birth year.
Claire Sztern, Paris, France
claire.sztern@gmail.com
I also would like to know this. Perhaps we should contact Prof
Stanislawsky at Harvard, who wrote Tsar Nicholas I and the Jews: The
Transformation of Jewish Society in Russia, 1825-1855 (Jewish Publication
Society, 1983). This deals with the induction policy that was so traumatic
in so many ways for the Jewish community. Unfortunately I have seen little
about the Jews who took to military life, distinguished themselves, and
received local gov't appointments upon discharge, as your ancestor
did. They were allowed, inter alia, to keep their side arms, and my
mggfather at least, used his to quell a minor anti-Jewish incident in his
village. Does anyone know what has been written, in English or Russian (or
?) on the tough 19th Century Jews who survived 15 or 20 years of harsh
military service, remained unconverted, and returned to their villages, or
settled outside the Pale (as they were permitted to do) and sent home for
brides? This was the start of the Jewish community of Finland, where my
mggmother was born.
Jules Levin


Re: KOPALOFF vs. KARPILOFF #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Dov & Varda Epstein" < yknow@netvision.net.il > wrote in message
news:001901c534da$af4cfba0$0201c80a@dovvarda:

Hilary wrote:< Taking into consideration the American and British accents, can
anyone hypothesize which KARPILOFF / KOPALOFF surname "begat" the other? >

I can! My dearest friend and neighbor, who is British, changes the 'ah' sound to
'ar' and vice versa. Thus, her daughter Tehila is 'Tehiler',and Arthur is
'Authah'.

I once offered to help her look up some addresses online, when she was addressing
invitations to her son's Bar Mitzva. She dutifully wrote down the names
she wished me to hunt. She actually spelled Arthur, 'Authah'. I had to pause to
figure that one out, Hilary, just as you are doing, now.

KARPILOFF must have been the original.
Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel
I can assure Varda that Arthur in the UK is Arthur.

I have looked up on Google and both spellings appear in the UK.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)