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Vaderland and Isidore KATZ #general

grtuckman@...
 

David Dubin wrote:

"After a long wait I recently got my grandfather's "first papers" listing his
arrival on the ship "Vaderland" on August 4 (boarding? in Antwerp) or August 10
(disembarking? in New York), 1908. however, his name does not appear on the Ellis
Island website, yet the Vaderland manifest >from August 31, 1908 is on the website.
(No, my grandfather with the unfortunately common name of Isidore KATZ, born 1889
in Pultusk, Poland, does not appear in the index at all.)"

David, have you tried using stevemorse.org? He has a site for missing manifest's.
You can actually go to the manifest for that particular voyage and go through
every name. It will be close to 500 pages, so it takes some time.

Last month I finally obtained my grandfather's declaration of intent which gave me
a date and ship. Sam Fihrer was listed on the Ellis Island data base as Isak
F...wler. No wonder I could never find him. The index is only as good as the
person interpreting it.

Hope this helps.
Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ


Help from a Polish Speaker #general

Iris Folkson <ifolkson@...>
 

Hello group,

I received an email >from a JGFF researcher and it is in Polish. Not only do I
need a translation, but I need to respond as well. I know I can count on my
JewishGen family to help me out.

Iris Folkson - Douglaston, NY USA
***
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Australia: Mary Clark #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am trying to find a person named Mary Clark, researcher #38184 at JewishGen's
Family Finder. Her email address "hclark@mpx.com.au" no longer works. She is
listed as being interested in the KIFFER family of Czestochowa, Poland--which is
also my family:

http://benkazez.com/dan/talman/

Please let me know if you know of any "Mary Clark" living in Australia.

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
KIFER, TALMAN/TELMAN/TAELMAN, JURKIEWICZ, ENGLENDER/ENGLANDER, ANGIELCZYK
Poland: Kruszyna, Czestochowa, Przyrow, Mstow, Janow, Plawno, Radomsko
***
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LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vaderland and Isidore KATZ #general

grtuckman@...
 

David Dubin wrote:

"After a long wait I recently got my grandfather's "first papers" listing his
arrival on the ship "Vaderland" on August 4 (boarding? in Antwerp) or August 10
(disembarking? in New York), 1908. however, his name does not appear on the Ellis
Island website, yet the Vaderland manifest >from August 31, 1908 is on the website.
(No, my grandfather with the unfortunately common name of Isidore KATZ, born 1889
in Pultusk, Poland, does not appear in the index at all.)"

David, have you tried using stevemorse.org? He has a site for missing manifest's.
You can actually go to the manifest for that particular voyage and go through
every name. It will be close to 500 pages, so it takes some time.

Last month I finally obtained my grandfather's declaration of intent which gave me
a date and ship. Sam Fihrer was listed on the Ellis Island data base as Isak
F...wler. No wonder I could never find him. The index is only as good as the
person interpreting it.

Hope this helps.
Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help from a Polish Speaker #general

Iris Folkson <ifolkson@...>
 

Hello group,

I received an email >from a JGFF researcher and it is in Polish. Not only do I
need a translation, but I need to respond as well. I know I can count on my
JewishGen family to help me out.

Iris Folkson - Douglaston, NY USA
***
MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Australia: Mary Clark #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am trying to find a person named Mary Clark, researcher #38184 at JewishGen's
Family Finder. Her email address "hclark@mpx.com.au" no longer works. She is
listed as being interested in the KIFFER family of Czestochowa, Poland--which is
also my family:

http://benkazez.com/dan/talman/

Please let me know if you know of any "Mary Clark" living in Australia.

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
KIFER, TALMAN/TELMAN/TAELMAN, JURKIEWICZ, ENGLENDER/ENGLANDER, ANGIELCZYK
Poland: Kruszyna, Czestochowa, Przyrow, Mstow, Janow, Plawno, Radomsko
***
MODERATOR NOTE: Non-working email addresses in the JGFF should also be reported to
LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org


Re: Ellis Island -- Missing Voyage? #general

Joel Weintraub <jweintraub@...>
 

I get JewishGen on digest, so don't know if others have responded to David Dubin's
unsuccessful attempt to find someone on the Ellis Island Manifests. My experience
is that successful researchers learn to relax assumptions, and by doing so don't
get zero results (no names), but a suite of possibilities. I'm hoping that the
meetings in Las Vegas this July will have a place where experienced researchers
can help others break through brick walls.... a room with computers and access to
subscription services and the Internet?

As to the specific problem... one Isidore KATZ born 1889 and arriving on the
Vaderland on August 4, or 10th, 1908.... home town Pultask, Poland (information
from citizenship papers) and said to be with his mother. The poster couldn't find
the person on the Ellis Island site, and hypothesized a missing manifest.

So...first I went to Steve Morse's One Step site, and looked for any Isidore, no
last name, on the Vaderland >from 1906 to 1910. It's my experience that the ship
name is usually correct on Petitions or Declarations of Citizenship although the
arrival date may be off. No luck...no people, nothing to choose from. OK....try
another strategy. Any person whose first initial is "I" and last initial is "K"
arriving on the Vaderland during that time. This time there were a number of
possibilities....and one jumped out of the group. One Igebok KAZ age 22 (not 19)
arrived on the Vaderland on August 3rd 1908. He is >from Pultuk, Russia and is
travelling with his mother, age 40, whose name is Irene (actual manifest it could
be something else). Hmmmmm.... could this be the target person(s)?

So keep an open mind, and try not to be too specific when doing these types of
searches.

Joel Weintraub


Re: Ellis Island -- Missing Voyage? #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

First, don't give up on the Passenger lists, just don't place all your hopes in
the on-line index. The volunteers who extracted data for the on-line index did
their best but it has become very clear that many of them were completely
unfamiliar with handwriting styles of the period, as well as with the surnames and
place names of central and eastern Europe. The result is a database that includes
many mis-read entries along with the huge amount of correctly read transcriptions.

So go to the microfilms of the passenger lists themselves and look through the
list for the Vaderland's arrivals in New York in August 1908.

The Morton Allan Directory lists the Vaderland, a vessel of the Red Star Line,
arriving in NY on 3 August 1908 >from Antwerp. It also arrived on 31 August and
again on 28 September. So it seems to have been on a routine service with a
round-trip time of around 30 days.

The Branch Archive of the National Archives (on Varrick Street in Manhattan)will
have copies of the microfilms. As you are in Teaneck, not far >from Manhattan, I
suggest you see if you can get in there to look at the microfilm images. That is
often easier than trying to navigate the images on the Ellis Island site.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


Re: Banned names... #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear All,

I have written to Michael Bernet privately, but he mentioned that you all might
like to know my experience regarding the use of prescribed names in France, so I
am posting this here. His memory is quite correct!

When I was living in Paris, in the early 1960's, it was absolutely the case that
new parents were required to choose a name for their new infants >from a prescribed
list. They thought my infant son's name was amazing - Barney! That is all
changed now, and many of my young cousins have children with such names as: Jade,
Sasha, Lilou, Ginger, etc. etc. But such was not the case in the '60's, and
earlier. I do not know when this requirement was changed.

Rosanne Leeson


Jewish Colonial Trust #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

Although Naomi suggested contacting her privately, I am also posting to Jewishgen
for general information. The shares of the JCT are worth next to nothing in
today's money and not worth the struggle to try to prove your lineal connection,
especially if you are uncertain that these shareholders are yours. It might be
more worthwhile if you were to go to the accounts opened in Israeli banks before
the Shoah and which have been dormant since. You can get a .pdf download of these
accounts by going to the following URL:
http://www.knesset.gov.il/committees/eng/docs/shoa_finalreport_eng.htm

One caveat - although the Knesset declared that these accounts must be named, they
have as yet made no provision for claiming a dormant account!

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ellis Island -- Missing Voyage? #general

Joel Weintraub <jweintraub@...>
 

I get JewishGen on digest, so don't know if others have responded to David Dubin's
unsuccessful attempt to find someone on the Ellis Island Manifests. My experience
is that successful researchers learn to relax assumptions, and by doing so don't
get zero results (no names), but a suite of possibilities. I'm hoping that the
meetings in Las Vegas this July will have a place where experienced researchers
can help others break through brick walls.... a room with computers and access to
subscription services and the Internet?

As to the specific problem... one Isidore KATZ born 1889 and arriving on the
Vaderland on August 4, or 10th, 1908.... home town Pultask, Poland (information
from citizenship papers) and said to be with his mother. The poster couldn't find
the person on the Ellis Island site, and hypothesized a missing manifest.

So...first I went to Steve Morse's One Step site, and looked for any Isidore, no
last name, on the Vaderland >from 1906 to 1910. It's my experience that the ship
name is usually correct on Petitions or Declarations of Citizenship although the
arrival date may be off. No luck...no people, nothing to choose from. OK....try
another strategy. Any person whose first initial is "I" and last initial is "K"
arriving on the Vaderland during that time. This time there were a number of
possibilities....and one jumped out of the group. One Igebok KAZ age 22 (not 19)
arrived on the Vaderland on August 3rd 1908. He is >from Pultuk, Russia and is
travelling with his mother, age 40, whose name is Irene (actual manifest it could
be something else). Hmmmmm.... could this be the target person(s)?

So keep an open mind, and try not to be too specific when doing these types of
searches.

Joel Weintraub


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ellis Island -- Missing Voyage? #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

First, don't give up on the Passenger lists, just don't place all your hopes in
the on-line index. The volunteers who extracted data for the on-line index did
their best but it has become very clear that many of them were completely
unfamiliar with handwriting styles of the period, as well as with the surnames and
place names of central and eastern Europe. The result is a database that includes
many mis-read entries along with the huge amount of correctly read transcriptions.

So go to the microfilms of the passenger lists themselves and look through the
list for the Vaderland's arrivals in New York in August 1908.

The Morton Allan Directory lists the Vaderland, a vessel of the Red Star Line,
arriving in NY on 3 August 1908 >from Antwerp. It also arrived on 31 August and
again on 28 September. So it seems to have been on a routine service with a
round-trip time of around 30 days.

The Branch Archive of the National Archives (on Varrick Street in Manhattan)will
have copies of the microfilms. As you are in Teaneck, not far >from Manhattan, I
suggest you see if you can get in there to look at the microfilm images. That is
often easier than trying to navigate the images on the Ellis Island site.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Banned names... #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear All,

I have written to Michael Bernet privately, but he mentioned that you all might
like to know my experience regarding the use of prescribed names in France, so I
am posting this here. His memory is quite correct!

When I was living in Paris, in the early 1960's, it was absolutely the case that
new parents were required to choose a name for their new infants >from a prescribed
list. They thought my infant son's name was amazing - Barney! That is all
changed now, and many of my young cousins have children with such names as: Jade,
Sasha, Lilou, Ginger, etc. etc. But such was not the case in the '60's, and
earlier. I do not know when this requirement was changed.

Rosanne Leeson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Colonial Trust #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

Although Naomi suggested contacting her privately, I am also posting to Jewishgen
for general information. The shares of the JCT are worth next to nothing in
today's money and not worth the struggle to try to prove your lineal connection,
especially if you are uncertain that these shareholders are yours. It might be
more worthwhile if you were to go to the accounts opened in Israeli banks before
the Shoah and which have been dormant since. You can get a .pdf download of these
accounts by going to the following URL:
http://www.knesset.gov.il/committees/eng/docs/shoa_finalreport_eng.htm

One caveat - although the Knesset declared that these accounts must be named, they
have as yet made no provision for claiming a dormant account!

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev, Israel


Kolomea/Kolomyya #galicia

Saar Drimer <saar@...>
 

Dear Group,
I am new to this list and I am researching the following family names
DRIMER, BEISER, SECHESTOWER
in the relevant Galicia area; more specifically, in Kolomea/Kolomyya.

I will provide the (little) further information I have privately upon
contact.

Best Regards,
Saar Drimer.

Other family names being researched:
BEISER in Kolomea/Kolomyya
DRIMER in Kolomea/Kolomyya
DRIMER in all, Israel
DRIMER in Dresden, Germany
GARFUNKEL in Mannheim, Germany
GARFUNKEL in all, Israel
MIZRACHI in Jerusalem, Israel
SECHESTOWER in Kolomea/Kolomyya
SWARTZ in Bucharest, Romania
SWARTZ in all, Israel



-----------------------------------
saar@engineer.com
www.saardrimer.com
-----------------------------------


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Kolomea/Kolomyya #galicia

Saar Drimer <saar@...>
 

Dear Group,
I am new to this list and I am researching the following family names
DRIMER, BEISER, SECHESTOWER
in the relevant Galicia area; more specifically, in Kolomea/Kolomyya.

I will provide the (little) further information I have privately upon
contact.

Best Regards,
Saar Drimer.

Other family names being researched:
BEISER in Kolomea/Kolomyya
DRIMER in Kolomea/Kolomyya
DRIMER in all, Israel
DRIMER in Dresden, Germany
GARFUNKEL in Mannheim, Germany
GARFUNKEL in all, Israel
MIZRACHI in Jerusalem, Israel
SECHESTOWER in Kolomea/Kolomyya
SWARTZ in Bucharest, Romania
SWARTZ in all, Israel



-----------------------------------
saar@engineer.com
www.saardrimer.com
-----------------------------------


Newsletter of the JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey #general

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

If you go to
http://erosenbaum.netfirms.com/jgsbc/newsletters/jgsbc_spring_2005.pdf, you can
get a copy of the latest issue of the 'The Gatherers', the newsletter of the
Jewish Genealogical Society of Bergen County, New Jersey.

1) You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader, version 3 or later, to open the file. Most
likely, Adobe Acrobat has already been installed on your computer. If it has not,
you may download it, free of charge, >from
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.

2) A couple of people have reported that they had problems trying to open a
previous PDF file using Arobat Reader, version 4, but were able to open it with
version 5.

3) Some people have reported problems opening the PDF file directly >from their
email. If you get an error when attempting to open the PDF, try 1) saving the PDF
file to your computer, and then (2) opening the saved PDF file.

-Edward Rosenbaum
JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey (http://erosenbaum.netfirms.com/jgsbc)
email: erosenbaum@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Newsletter of the JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey #general

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

If you go to
http://erosenbaum.netfirms.com/jgsbc/newsletters/jgsbc_spring_2005.pdf, you can
get a copy of the latest issue of the 'The Gatherers', the newsletter of the
Jewish Genealogical Society of Bergen County, New Jersey.

1) You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader, version 3 or later, to open the file. Most
likely, Adobe Acrobat has already been installed on your computer. If it has not,
you may download it, free of charge, >from
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.

2) A couple of people have reported that they had problems trying to open a
previous PDF file using Arobat Reader, version 4, but were able to open it with
version 5.

3) Some people have reported problems opening the PDF file directly >from their
email. If you get an error when attempting to open the PDF, try 1) saving the PDF
file to your computer, and then (2) opening the saved PDF file.

-Edward Rosenbaum
JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey (http://erosenbaum.netfirms.com/jgsbc)
email: erosenbaum@yahoo.com


Colorado Beginners Workshop Sun. Apr. 10th #general

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
 

The JGS Colorado sponsors its annual Introduction to Jewish Genealogy Workshop
this Sunday, April 10th >from 1:30-5:30 pm at Congregation Emanuel, 51 Grape Street
in Denver.

Led by Ellen Shindelman Kowitt, the program will include instruction on general
topics such as census, passenger manifest, and JewishGen database research as well
as guidance on Jewish-specific repositories such as Yad Vashem, US Holocaust
Museum, YIVO, and research abroad.

The cost is $35 and includes annual membership in the JGS Colorado, the book
"Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy" by Gary Mokotoff and Warren Blatt, and
personal consultation.

Pre-registration is strongly recommended so that enough materials are available
onsite for all participants. Contact grapevynwest@comcast.net or call
720-221-6858.
Ellen Shindelman Kowitt


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Colorado Beginners Workshop Sun. Apr. 10th #general

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt
 

The JGS Colorado sponsors its annual Introduction to Jewish Genealogy Workshop
this Sunday, April 10th >from 1:30-5:30 pm at Congregation Emanuel, 51 Grape Street
in Denver.

Led by Ellen Shindelman Kowitt, the program will include instruction on general
topics such as census, passenger manifest, and JewishGen database research as well
as guidance on Jewish-specific repositories such as Yad Vashem, US Holocaust
Museum, YIVO, and research abroad.

The cost is $35 and includes annual membership in the JGS Colorado, the book
"Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy" by Gary Mokotoff and Warren Blatt, and
personal consultation.

Pre-registration is strongly recommended so that enough materials are available
onsite for all participants. Contact grapevynwest@comcast.net or call
720-221-6858.
Ellen Shindelman Kowitt