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Descendants of Louis MARKS/MARX/MARCUS (c1850-1924) #germany

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Does anyone out there recognize this family?

I have good information on Michael and descendants but am hoping to learn
more about his parents and siblings. According to censuses, Louis and Bertha
came to New York City in the 1870s. Reported origins vary >from census to
census; taken all together, they suggest that he was >from Russian Poland and
she was >from Prussia. The children were probably all born in Manhattan (NY, NY).

1 Louis MARKS or MARX or MARCUS(c1850-1924)
.. +Bertha (c1855-1906)
..... 2 Celia (Cecilie) MARX (c1877-1938)
......... +Jacob JACOBSON (c1865-1928)
............. 3 Herman JACOBSON (c1900-1928)
............. 3 Leo JACOBSON
............. 3 Arthur JACOBSON
............. 3 Irving JACOBSON
............. 3 Bertram JACOBSON (1907-1977)
............. 3 Seymour JACOBSON
..... 2 Michael MARX (1879-1957)
......... +Essie LISSNER-MARCUS (1890-1958)
............. 3 Bertha Rosalie MARX (1911-1949)
............. 3 Ethel Helen MARX (1913-1994)
............. 3 Marcus Samuel MARX (1921-2003)
..... 2 Elizabeth (Lizzie) MARX (1881-1949)
......... +Isaac KEMP (c1872-1963?)
............. 3 George KEMP (c1901-1982?)
............. 3 Arthur KEMP (c1903-1962)
............. 3 Bertha KEMP
................. +Arthur? NEWMAN
..... 2 Eva MARX (1884-1935)
......... +Jack FRIEDENBERG (?-aft. 1934)
..... 2 Alexander MARX (1887-1904?) Thanks.

Renee Stern Steinig Dix Hills (Long Island), NY RSteinig@...
German SIG #Germany Descendants of Louis MARKS/MARX/MARCUS (c1850-1924) #germany

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Does anyone out there recognize this family?

I have good information on Michael and descendants but am hoping to learn
more about his parents and siblings. According to censuses, Louis and Bertha
came to New York City in the 1870s. Reported origins vary >from census to
census; taken all together, they suggest that he was >from Russian Poland and
she was >from Prussia. The children were probably all born in Manhattan (NY, NY).

1 Louis MARKS or MARX or MARCUS(c1850-1924)
.. +Bertha (c1855-1906)
..... 2 Celia (Cecilie) MARX (c1877-1938)
......... +Jacob JACOBSON (c1865-1928)
............. 3 Herman JACOBSON (c1900-1928)
............. 3 Leo JACOBSON
............. 3 Arthur JACOBSON
............. 3 Irving JACOBSON
............. 3 Bertram JACOBSON (1907-1977)
............. 3 Seymour JACOBSON
..... 2 Michael MARX (1879-1957)
......... +Essie LISSNER-MARCUS (1890-1958)
............. 3 Bertha Rosalie MARX (1911-1949)
............. 3 Ethel Helen MARX (1913-1994)
............. 3 Marcus Samuel MARX (1921-2003)
..... 2 Elizabeth (Lizzie) MARX (1881-1949)
......... +Isaac KEMP (c1872-1963?)
............. 3 George KEMP (c1901-1982?)
............. 3 Arthur KEMP (c1903-1962)
............. 3 Bertha KEMP
................. +Arthur? NEWMAN
..... 2 Eva MARX (1884-1935)
......... +Jack FRIEDENBERG (?-aft. 1934)
..... 2 Alexander MARX (1887-1904?) Thanks.

Renee Stern Steinig Dix Hills (Long Island), NY RSteinig@...
Re: Use of Middle Names Israel and Sarah on German 1939 Minority Census #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Susan Meehan wrote:
I am doing research in preparation for putting in a claim with the
Swiss Dormant Bank Accounts commission. To that end, information on
the middle name is critical, as the name on the list is a common one,
Alfred DEUTSCH, but has a middle initial of M.
I found my relative, Alfred DEUTSCH, on the Hamburg 1939 German
Minority Census, along with a bunch of other relatives. However, his
middle name according to the census list, is Israel, and that of his
wife, Henriette, is Sarah. That discouraged me at first. But then I
noticed, while traversing through the microfilm that a great number
of clearly Jewish names in Hamburg all had the middle name of Israel
if they were male, and Sarah if they were female. Is this possibly a
generic middle name? Was it done as a protest, and if so, was it true
all across Germany? Why was this done?
Dear Susan,
it was NOT a protest, but one of the laws arising >from the Nuremberg
laws stated that starting on August 17, 1938 every German Jew was
*** forced *** to add "Israel" or "Sara" as middle names to their names to make
their Jewishness obvious. These additional names were inserted into all
passports, identity cards and even restrospectively into birth
certificates - they were *** not *** their real names but names forced upon them
by the Nazi authorities - in the case of survivors these names were
removed again after the war. With kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@...>
German SIG #Germany Re: Use of Middle Names Israel and Sarah on German 1939 Minority Census #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Susan Meehan wrote:
I am doing research in preparation for putting in a claim with the
Swiss Dormant Bank Accounts commission. To that end, information on
the middle name is critical, as the name on the list is a common one,
Alfred DEUTSCH, but has a middle initial of M.
I found my relative, Alfred DEUTSCH, on the Hamburg 1939 German
Minority Census, along with a bunch of other relatives. However, his
middle name according to the census list, is Israel, and that of his
wife, Henriette, is Sarah. That discouraged me at first. But then I
noticed, while traversing through the microfilm that a great number
of clearly Jewish names in Hamburg all had the middle name of Israel
if they were male, and Sarah if they were female. Is this possibly a
generic middle name? Was it done as a protest, and if so, was it true
all across Germany? Why was this done?
Dear Susan,
it was NOT a protest, but one of the laws arising >from the Nuremberg
laws stated that starting on August 17, 1938 every German Jew was
*** forced *** to add "Israel" or "Sara" as middle names to their names to make
their Jewishness obvious. These additional names were inserted into all
passports, identity cards and even restrospectively into birth
certificates - they were *** not *** their real names but names forced upon them
by the Nazi authorities - in the case of survivors these names were
removed again after the war. With kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@...>
Re: Coverage of "Maajan - Die Quelle" Journal #germany

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

Regarding my earlier post about the areas
covered by the Journal "Maajan - Die Quelle,"
I have further been informed that "...the Swiss
(major) section often deals with ancestral roots
in adjoining areas, i.e.: Alsace, Baden-Wuertemberg
and Austria, and that the Hamburg section often
reflects Sephardic links, thanks to early refugees
and their cemeteries in Altona; even links to Schleswig."

I thought that this information might be helpful to our members.
(Please note that the Journal is written in the German language.)

Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@...
German SIG #Germany Re: Re: Coverage of "Maajan - Die Quelle" Journal #germany

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

Regarding my earlier post about the areas
covered by the Journal "Maajan - Die Quelle,"
I have further been informed that "...the Swiss
(major) section often deals with ancestral roots
in adjoining areas, i.e.: Alsace, Baden-Wuertemberg
and Austria, and that the Hamburg section often
reflects Sephardic links, thanks to early refugees
and their cemeteries in Altona; even links to Schleswig."

I thought that this information might be helpful to our members.
(Please note that the Journal is written in the German language.)

Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@...
All Ukraine Database #ukraine

Chaim freedman
 

I understand that there are plans to develop an All Ukraine Database. The
"Jewish Agricultural Colonies in the Ukraine" site
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/ has much material
which it would like to donate to the All Ukraine Database. As there is
overlap between with UkraineSIG, we would like to combine our efforts. Aside
from the material already on the site, we are in the process of scanning,
translating and listing more material. We would like to hear >from the
organisers of UkraineSIG how best we go about handing our material to them.


Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine All Ukraine Database #ukraine

Chaim freedman
 

I understand that there are plans to develop an All Ukraine Database. The
"Jewish Agricultural Colonies in the Ukraine" site
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/ has much material
which it would like to donate to the All Ukraine Database. As there is
overlap between with UkraineSIG, we would like to combine our efforts. Aside
from the material already on the site, we are in the process of scanning,
translating and listing more material. We would like to hear >from the
organisers of UkraineSIG how best we go about handing our material to them.


Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...
Hungarian (and German) Translation #general

Fern Ward <FRWard@...>
 

I'm hoping someone can help me with a Hungarian translation of a letter
written in 1926 >from Maramaros-Szighet to relatives in Brooklyn NY. I think
this letter was written by my great-grandmother to my grandfather and I'm
hoping to glean a last bit of family information >from this letter.
Apparently there was a family fight going on (I'm airing our 80-year old
dirty laundry on the internet) and I'm really hoping to find out the why's
and where's of this fight and why my grandparents never acknowledged having
any other relatives.

The letter is a 3-pager, listed on
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate in the "To View" section under the
following viewmates:
VM 5857, VM 5858, VM 5859.

Please reply privately to
mailto:FRWard@...

Thank you!
Fern Ward

Searching for: ZELMANOVICS, ZELMANOVITZ (Maramaros Szighet) KATZ (Budapest)

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URLs of the images are
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5857
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5858
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5859
A portion of the text is in German.
Siberia special Chita #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I am looking for information for Chita, Siberia. I have not heard much
discussion for that area yet so any help would be appreciated. I have a
map received >from the Library of Congress in Russian showing Jewish
places of interest. Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hungarian (and German) Translation #general

Fern Ward <FRWard@...>
 

I'm hoping someone can help me with a Hungarian translation of a letter
written in 1926 >from Maramaros-Szighet to relatives in Brooklyn NY. I think
this letter was written by my great-grandmother to my grandfather and I'm
hoping to glean a last bit of family information >from this letter.
Apparently there was a family fight going on (I'm airing our 80-year old
dirty laundry on the internet) and I'm really hoping to find out the why's
and where's of this fight and why my grandparents never acknowledged having
any other relatives.

The letter is a 3-pager, listed on
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate in the "To View" section under the
following viewmates:
VM 5857, VM 5858, VM 5859.

Please reply privately to
mailto:FRWard@...

Thank you!
Fern Ward

Searching for: ZELMANOVICS, ZELMANOVITZ (Maramaros Szighet) KATZ (Budapest)

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URLs of the images are
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5857
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5858
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5859
A portion of the text is in German.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Siberia special Chita #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I am looking for information for Chita, Siberia. I have not heard much
discussion for that area yet so any help would be appreciated. I have a
map received >from the Library of Congress in Russian showing Jewish
places of interest. Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca
Synagogue/Jewish Center In Brooklyn, NY #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Hello again,
I am trying to find information on a synagogue,
Jewish Center or possibly catering hall that existed
on Pitkin and/or Tapscott Street in Brooklyn, NY (East
New York section) even as late as the late 1950's. The
congregation was Chevra Ohav Shalom Anshei Bukaczowce,
and my g-grandfather Aaron Zelig Schwartz was cantor
there.
I appreciate all your help.
Shari Kantrow
New, Jersey, US

researching: BLITZER, MEYER, SCHNEIDER, SCHWARTZ,
JACOBSON, REIZ, REYISST, KARPET, BLAZER, LANDSMAN,
SCHAFF, DICKMAN, HABERMAN, KAFKA, KUPFER
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Synagogue/Jewish Center In Brooklyn, NY #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Hello again,
I am trying to find information on a synagogue,
Jewish Center or possibly catering hall that existed
on Pitkin and/or Tapscott Street in Brooklyn, NY (East
New York section) even as late as the late 1950's. The
congregation was Chevra Ohav Shalom Anshei Bukaczowce,
and my g-grandfather Aaron Zelig Schwartz was cantor
there.
I appreciate all your help.
Shari Kantrow
New, Jersey, US

researching: BLITZER, MEYER, SCHNEIDER, SCHWARTZ,
JACOBSON, REIZ, REYISST, KARPET, BLAZER, LANDSMAN,
SCHAFF, DICKMAN, HABERMAN, KAFKA, KUPFER
Re: Land Manifests to New York from Canada in 1905 #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

"Hilary Henkin" <hilary@...> wrote in part:

You may want to check into the several lists for people crossing the
Canada/US border into the US. The most well-known are the St.
Alban's Lists for Vermont and Maine, but there are three or four others -
search the JewishGen Discussion group Archives for the lists.
I think it very important to understand that the St. Albans Lists (note lack
of apostrophe) is not limited to US entries through Vermont and Maine. The
name of the list refers to St. Albans, VT, which was the regional
headquarters for the US immigration agency at one point. (It is
conveniently near Montreal, where lots of migration activity was occuring.)
But the lists compiled there covered all land crossings into the US from
Canada along the entire boarder - Atlantic to Pacific - for a time. Later
the St. Albans Immigration District covered only the eastern half of the
boarder.

While there are also separate lists for smaller Great Lakes ports (including
Niagara Falls and Rochester, NY among others) I believe these are generally
for periods before that covered by the St Albans list and focus on water
arrivals. Before the very late 19th Century, arrivals by water over one of
the Great Lakes were recorded in ships' manifests but land crossings were
not recorded. St. Albans would seem to be the only collection covering
entry by rail in the eastern US.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
Hinde=Gussie? #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Greetings all,
Wondering if it is possible that Gussie could be
an Americanized form if Hinde/Hinda/Inda, etc. She is
from Kamenets-Podolskiy(now Ukraine)to NY about 1907.
Also, what could the American form of Cheikel/Heikel
(her husband) be? Their last name was Weiner.
Thanks,
Shari Kantrow
New Jersey, US

researching: BLITZER, MEYER, SCHNEIDER, SCHWARTZ,
JACOBSON, REIZ, REYISST, KARPET, BLAZER, LANDSMAN,
SCHAFF, DICKMAN, HABERMAN, KAFKA, KUPFER
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Land Manifests to New York from Canada in 1905 #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

"Hilary Henkin" <hilary@...> wrote in part:

You may want to check into the several lists for people crossing the
Canada/US border into the US. The most well-known are the St.
Alban's Lists for Vermont and Maine, but there are three or four others -
search the JewishGen Discussion group Archives for the lists.
I think it very important to understand that the St. Albans Lists (note lack
of apostrophe) is not limited to US entries through Vermont and Maine. The
name of the list refers to St. Albans, VT, which was the regional
headquarters for the US immigration agency at one point. (It is
conveniently near Montreal, where lots of migration activity was occuring.)
But the lists compiled there covered all land crossings into the US from
Canada along the entire boarder - Atlantic to Pacific - for a time. Later
the St. Albans Immigration District covered only the eastern half of the
boarder.

While there are also separate lists for smaller Great Lakes ports (including
Niagara Falls and Rochester, NY among others) I believe these are generally
for periods before that covered by the St Albans list and focus on water
arrivals. Before the very late 19th Century, arrivals by water over one of
the Great Lakes were recorded in ships' manifests but land crossings were
not recorded. St. Albans would seem to be the only collection covering
entry by rail in the eastern US.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hinde=Gussie? #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Greetings all,
Wondering if it is possible that Gussie could be
an Americanized form if Hinde/Hinda/Inda, etc. She is
from Kamenets-Podolskiy(now Ukraine)to NY about 1907.
Also, what could the American form of Cheikel/Heikel
(her husband) be? Their last name was Weiner.
Thanks,
Shari Kantrow
New Jersey, US

researching: BLITZER, MEYER, SCHNEIDER, SCHWARTZ,
JACOBSON, REIZ, REYISST, KARPET, BLAZER, LANDSMAN,
SCHAFF, DICKMAN, HABERMAN, KAFKA, KUPFER
Correct Citation Format for Pages of Testimony #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Rebecca Fenning of Allston, Mass., who tells us that
she is a stickler for accuracy, asks if there is a
correct citation format for Pages of Testimony [PoT]
listed on Yad Vashem. Apparently, the question has
been posed before on this forum but has received no
answers.

I think that is most unlikely, as the Yad Vashem
database has not been around for so long. After many
books or articles have appeared citing the PoT, it
should be possible to make a informed judgement as to
the simplest and best citation method.

The main point to remember is consistency in your own
work; if you are working with others on a family tree
you should all use the same format.

If you use one of the well-known family tree
programmes, you could add a new "Fact" called "PoT"
and add the names, relationship, location and full
address and date of the signatory.

If they are a close relative of the victim, you can
obviously add them to the family tree and for date of
death you will be able to add: after XX-YY-XXXX, i.e.
the date of the testimony. Hopefully, you may find
them and their descendants at a later stage. In the
notes, you can add: found through Yad Vashem PoT on
holocaust victim "xyz".

Celia Male [UK]
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correct Citation Format for Pages of Testimony #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Rebecca Fenning of Allston, Mass., who tells us that
she is a stickler for accuracy, asks if there is a
correct citation format for Pages of Testimony [PoT]
listed on Yad Vashem. Apparently, the question has
been posed before on this forum but has received no
answers.

I think that is most unlikely, as the Yad Vashem
database has not been around for so long. After many
books or articles have appeared citing the PoT, it
should be possible to make a informed judgement as to
the simplest and best citation method.

The main point to remember is consistency in your own
work; if you are working with others on a family tree
you should all use the same format.

If you use one of the well-known family tree
programmes, you could add a new "Fact" called "PoT"
and add the names, relationship, location and full
address and date of the signatory.

If they are a close relative of the victim, you can
obviously add them to the family tree and for date of
death you will be able to add: after XX-YY-XXXX, i.e.
the date of the testimony. Hopefully, you may find
them and their descendants at a later stage. In the
notes, you can add: found through Yad Vashem PoT on
holocaust victim "xyz".

Celia Male [UK]
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