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Re: Designation of unmarried partners #unitedkingdom

Alice Josephs
 

Sounds bad when software, Hitchhiker-Guide-to-the-Galaxy style, starts
making judgements like a virtual disapproving parent!!! <grin>. I
don't know whether this has already been said as I get the digest, but
there is certainly software which does have the option of "partners"
(I use Reunion for Mac and the now sadly defunct Windows equivalent
Generations) and there may be a way within the software of creating the
option of partners, I'm pretty certain Family Tree Maker does have an
option for partners as well. if it does not exist within the standard
family card of your software, check in the Help section, if you do not
have a printed manual, for information on creating a new option.

Alice Josephs UK
JABLUSZKO ROZENBERG Ciechanow DON GOLDMACHER GURMAN Pultusk, Poland.
STERN (STARR) Heppenheim HERZ Kochendorf MARKUS Otterstadt, Hainchen,
Roedelheim GRUEN GRUENEWALD Roedelheim HOCHSCHILD Gross Rohrheim
MAYERFELD Biebesheim, Germany
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealice/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Designation of unmarried partners #general

Alice Josephs
 

Sounds bad when software, Hitchhiker-Guide-to-the-Galaxy style, starts
making judgements like a virtual disapproving parent!!! <grin>. I
don't know whether this has already been said as I get the digest, but
there is certainly software which does have the option of "partners"
(I use Reunion for Mac and the now sadly defunct Windows equivalent
Generations) and there may be a way within the software of creating the
option of partners, I'm pretty certain Family Tree Maker does have an
option for partners as well. if it does not exist within the standard
family card of your software, check in the Help section, if you do not
have a printed manual, for information on creating a new option.

Alice Josephs UK
JABLUSZKO ROZENBERG Ciechanow DON GOLDMACHER GURMAN Pultusk, Poland.
STERN (STARR) Heppenheim HERZ Kochendorf MARKUS Otterstadt, Hainchen,
Roedelheim GRUEN GRUENEWALD Roedelheim HOCHSCHILD Gross Rohrheim
MAYERFELD Biebesheim, Germany
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealice/


Re: Designation of unmarried partners #unitedkingdom

Harry Gross <harry144@...>
 

Stan Goodman wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 15:31:11 UTC, nfellerman@projectd2k.com (Naomi
Fellerman) opined:
<snip>
I am sure this question has probably been asked before, but given that
in modern times a percentage of us live with our partners without being
married, how does one record this on the family tree? Any suggestions
welcome.
<snip>
What does bring the question up is the fact that virtually all the family
trees that people have been making lo these many years have a rubric for
showing date and place of marriage (and so do my own trees). The tacit
assumption is that all couples are married, which was largely true,
certainly among traditional Jews, until quite recently. Now that it isn't a
given, the real question is what do you put in those blanks for an unmarried
couple in a stable relationship. If there is nothing to put in them, you
might just leave them empty.
I use a program called The Master Genealogist (which I'm sure many of
you have at least heard of:-). It is flexible enough that you can list
multiple names for people, tagging them with different purposes
(including religious, married, etc.).

It can default to creating a married name for a woman when a marriage
record is created, or not (at your discretion). Very flexible. Very
nice. Sort of solves the problem, too:-)

Harry


Re: Designation of unmarried partners #unitedkingdom

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Family Tree Maker software has the following options for couples under
"Beginning Status":

Friends
Married
Other
Partners
Private
Single
Unknown

These categories just about cover all situations and they are particularly
helpful when the couple share children, are lifelong partners, or you want
to keep track of their family genealogy as well.

If you don't want to handle the situation in any of those categories either
because the person did not share any children with your relative or they may
not have been the only partner or for religious or other reasons, you can
click on "More" next to where you input the information about your relative.
The first column is entitled "Fact" and you can fill in "Partner" or
whatever designation you want to use as a new fact and then in the
"Comment/Location" column you can put info about the partner.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Designation of unmarried partners #general

Harry Gross <harry144@...>
 

Stan Goodman wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 15:31:11 UTC, nfellerman@projectd2k.com (Naomi
Fellerman) opined:
<snip>
I am sure this question has probably been asked before, but given that
in modern times a percentage of us live with our partners without being
married, how does one record this on the family tree? Any suggestions
welcome.
<snip>
What does bring the question up is the fact that virtually all the family
trees that people have been making lo these many years have a rubric for
showing date and place of marriage (and so do my own trees). The tacit
assumption is that all couples are married, which was largely true,
certainly among traditional Jews, until quite recently. Now that it isn't a
given, the real question is what do you put in those blanks for an unmarried
couple in a stable relationship. If there is nothing to put in them, you
might just leave them empty.
I use a program called The Master Genealogist (which I'm sure many of
you have at least heard of:-). It is flexible enough that you can list
multiple names for people, tagging them with different purposes
(including religious, married, etc.).

It can default to creating a married name for a woman when a marriage
record is created, or not (at your discretion). Very flexible. Very
nice. Sort of solves the problem, too:-)

Harry


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Designation of unmarried partners #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Family Tree Maker software has the following options for couples under
"Beginning Status":

Friends
Married
Other
Partners
Private
Single
Unknown

These categories just about cover all situations and they are particularly
helpful when the couple share children, are lifelong partners, or you want
to keep track of their family genealogy as well.

If you don't want to handle the situation in any of those categories either
because the person did not share any children with your relative or they may
not have been the only partner or for religious or other reasons, you can
click on "More" next to where you input the information about your relative.
The first column is entitled "Fact" and you can fill in "Partner" or
whatever designation you want to use as a new fact and then in the
"Comment/Location" column you can put info about the partner.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Re: Designation of unmarried partners #unitedkingdom

Max & Bertha van Dam <berthavd@...>
 

My genealogy software won't "allow" a couple to be together if they are not
married! Can't be done. I have to amend the family tree outputs each time
to "annul" non-marriages.

Harvey L Kaplan

Glasgow, Scotland
If you have the genealogical program of Brother Keeper you can say either
married or not married for a couple. This solves the problem.

Bertha van Dam
Rechovot
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Designation of unmarried partners #general

Max & Bertha van Dam <berthavd@...>
 

My genealogy software won't "allow" a couple to be together if they are not
married! Can't be done. I have to amend the family tree outputs each time
to "annul" non-marriages.

Harvey L Kaplan

Glasgow, Scotland
If you have the genealogical program of Brother Keeper you can say either
married or not married for a couple. This solves the problem.

Bertha van Dam
Rechovot
Israel


Designation of unmarried partners #general

Rony <golanron@...>
 

Dear Naomi,

It is really up to you whether to record unmarried couples on your family
tree.
Some choose to record only married couples. Some record any relationship.
Some choose to record unmarried couples if (and when) they have a common
child, that "needs" to enter the tree.
Different genealogical commercial software allow you to record a variety of
beginning status for "relationships". Mine allows the following: "Friends",
"Marries", "Partners", "Private", "Single", "Other" and "Unknown". There
are other options for "ending" of the relationship !

Another question is whether to record couples of the same sex on your tree.
I believe this question was discussed here in the past. You can look for it
in the JewishGen Discussion Group archives, located at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop

My personal choice was to record any kind of relationship, if the couple
itself defines it as a "relationship". I also record "mother" or "father" of
a child, regardless of marital status.

Rony Golan
Ramat Hasharon, Israel
golanron@netvision.net.il

Dear all

I am sure this question has probably been asked before, but given that
in modern times a percentage of us live with our partners without being
married, how does one record this on the family tree? Any suggestions
welcome.

With warm regards

Naomi Fellerman
London UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Designation of unmarried partners #general

Rony <golanron@...>
 

Dear Naomi,

It is really up to you whether to record unmarried couples on your family
tree.
Some choose to record only married couples. Some record any relationship.
Some choose to record unmarried couples if (and when) they have a common
child, that "needs" to enter the tree.
Different genealogical commercial software allow you to record a variety of
beginning status for "relationships". Mine allows the following: "Friends",
"Marries", "Partners", "Private", "Single", "Other" and "Unknown". There
are other options for "ending" of the relationship !

Another question is whether to record couples of the same sex on your tree.
I believe this question was discussed here in the past. You can look for it
in the JewishGen Discussion Group archives, located at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop

My personal choice was to record any kind of relationship, if the couple
itself defines it as a "relationship". I also record "mother" or "father" of
a child, regardless of marital status.

Rony Golan
Ramat Hasharon, Israel
golanron@netvision.net.il

Dear all

I am sure this question has probably been asked before, but given that
in modern times a percentage of us live with our partners without being
married, how does one record this on the family tree? Any suggestions
welcome.

With warm regards

Naomi Fellerman
London UK


Designation of unmarried partners #general

Kenneth Packer
 

Dear Naomi,
I use DoroTree. It allows for non-married couples, but only if they are male and
female. It will not allow you to put in same sex partners. It will also not
allow you to designate a child as adopted. Both of these are very needed in
genealogical software, as they occur very frequently in family relationships
which is what we as genealogists are recording.
Regards,
Ken Packer

Naomi Fellerman wrote:
Dear all
I am sure this question has probably been asked before, but given that
in modern times a percentage of us live with our partners without being
married, how does one record this on the family tree? Any suggestions
welcome.
With warm regards
Naomi Fellerman
London UK

MODERATOR NOTE: Extended discussions of software are offtopic. Any reply to Ken
on this subject will have to be sent privately. If Ken thinks that the results
would be of general interest, he can summarize them and we will post the summery.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Designation of unmarried partners #general

Kenneth Packer
 

Dear Naomi,
I use DoroTree. It allows for non-married couples, but only if they are male and
female. It will not allow you to put in same sex partners. It will also not
allow you to designate a child as adopted. Both of these are very needed in
genealogical software, as they occur very frequently in family relationships
which is what we as genealogists are recording.
Regards,
Ken Packer

Naomi Fellerman wrote:
Dear all
I am sure this question has probably been asked before, but given that
in modern times a percentage of us live with our partners without being
married, how does one record this on the family tree? Any suggestions
welcome.
With warm regards
Naomi Fellerman
London UK

MODERATOR NOTE: Extended discussions of software are offtopic. Any reply to Ken
on this subject will have to be sent privately. If Ken thinks that the results
would be of general interest, he can summarize them and we will post the summery.


Fw: OBERNIK family in Beroun #austria-czech

katka sor <katsor@...>
 

I have been trying to find out what happened to the family of my ggfather -
Adolf OBERNIK and his wife, Augusta, born ROUBITCHEK.
They were the parents of my granmother, Stefanie KRAUS, born OBERNIK.
The name Obernik just does not come up anywhere at all and all research ends
in a dead end lane.
Can anyone help?
[The only person by the name Obernik I found in the entire web is Sam
Obernik, a singer, who seems to have been born in Ireland of Czech and
Spanish parents. However, I cannot contact Sam Obernik in any way, so I
cannot find out if she is part of the family in any way{.
I would appreciate any information anyone may have come across - the name is
a very unusual one........
Many thanks
Katrina Sorauer

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder and Family Tree of the Jewish People
show only one listing for this name, but there are many other databases worth
searching. See the JewishGen Home Page for a list of resources, including the
Ellis Island Foundation Database and the JewishGen Online World Burial Registry.
Remember to use Daitch-Mokotoff or other soundex searching and try alternate
spellings of the name.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fw: OBERNIK family in Beroun #austria-czech

katka sor <katsor@...>
 

I have been trying to find out what happened to the family of my ggfather -
Adolf OBERNIK and his wife, Augusta, born ROUBITCHEK.
They were the parents of my granmother, Stefanie KRAUS, born OBERNIK.
The name Obernik just does not come up anywhere at all and all research ends
in a dead end lane.
Can anyone help?
[The only person by the name Obernik I found in the entire web is Sam
Obernik, a singer, who seems to have been born in Ireland of Czech and
Spanish parents. However, I cannot contact Sam Obernik in any way, so I
cannot find out if she is part of the family in any way{.
I would appreciate any information anyone may have come across - the name is
a very unusual one........
Many thanks
Katrina Sorauer

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder and Family Tree of the Jewish People
show only one listing for this name, but there are many other databases worth
searching. See the JewishGen Home Page for a list of resources, including the
Ellis Island Foundation Database and the JewishGen Online World Burial Registry.
Remember to use Daitch-Mokotoff or other soundex searching and try alternate
spellings of the name.


Schwarzenberg #austria-czech

Dubois family <family@...>
 

My mother left Vienna in May 1939, at the age of twenty three, for the UK.
After the Anschluss, and before she left Vienna, my mother worked for a
female member of the SCHWARZENBERG family, who secretly organised help for
Jewish family. This help mainly took the form of distributing money. My
mother recalls meeting somewhere in central Vienna, with others. The member
of the Schwarzenberg family gave instructions as to who was to distribute
what to whom. My mother and her family, who were destitute, also received
financial aid >from her.

Can anyone supply any more information about this organisation or of this
member of the Schwarzenberg family?

Dominique Dubois, London UK

STEINER, Weitersfeld, Krems, Vienna
POLLITZER, Frauenkirchen, Vienna
SINGER, Retz, Krems, Vienna


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Schwarzenberg #austria-czech

Dubois family <family@...>
 

My mother left Vienna in May 1939, at the age of twenty three, for the UK.
After the Anschluss, and before she left Vienna, my mother worked for a
female member of the SCHWARZENBERG family, who secretly organised help for
Jewish family. This help mainly took the form of distributing money. My
mother recalls meeting somewhere in central Vienna, with others. The member
of the Schwarzenberg family gave instructions as to who was to distribute
what to whom. My mother and her family, who were destitute, also received
financial aid >from her.

Can anyone supply any more information about this organisation or of this
member of the Schwarzenberg family?

Dominique Dubois, London UK

STEINER, Weitersfeld, Krems, Vienna
POLLITZER, Frauenkirchen, Vienna
SINGER, Retz, Krems, Vienna


Re: Brooklyn State Hospital #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

As far as I know it still exists, and yes, it is a hospital for the
mentally ill. There is also one in Manhattan, and one in Queens called
Creedmore, and others as well, I believe.
Leslie Weinberg

Diane Frankel wrote:

===

Very recently, I bought the reprint of the 1939 WPA study on NY's five boroughs,
and by chance, saw a description and history of the hospital right there.
I'll type it up tonight at home, and send it direct to you, but if the group
would like to see it, I can "broadcast" for everyone.

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Brooklyn State Hospital #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

As far as I know it still exists, and yes, it is a hospital for the
mentally ill. There is also one in Manhattan, and one in Queens called
Creedmore, and others as well, I believe.
Leslie Weinberg

Diane Frankel wrote:

===

Very recently, I bought the reprint of the 1939 WPA study on NY's five boroughs,
and by chance, saw a description and history of the hospital right there.
I'll type it up tonight at home, and send it direct to you, but if the group
would like to see it, I can "broadcast" for everyone.

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com


Re: Lightweight laptops and Family Tree Maker #unitedkingdom

BP Bergman <bergville@...>
 

Hazel,

If weight is an issue (which it is for all except the weight-lifters amongst
us!), have you considered a PDA (portable digital assistant)? They only
weigh a few ounces and slip easily into a pocket or handbag, but
surprisingly for such a tiny device, the modern high-resolution screens are
extremely readable. There is genealogical software available for download
from various websites, and the latest version of GedStar Pro will accept
Family Tree Maker files directly (although lesser versions can also be used
with Family Tree Maker just by exporting your file to GEDCOM - however these
are read-only which is fine if you just need to be able to refer to the
information, but you will need the full version if you want to be able to
edit it whilst you are at the library). GedStar Pro runs on the Palm
operating system which many PDAs have - other PDAs work on the Pocket PC
system for which you can use My Roots or Pocket Genealogist, but I do not
have any information on how compatible these are with FTM.

If you are not sure whether this option would suit, and are therefore
reluctant to shell out aroung £200 for a new PDA (which will probably have a
lot of features which you may not need), it is worth looking on eBay as it
is possible to pick up a reasonable second-user PDA quite cheaply.

Beverly Bergman
Camberley UK

(A recent convert to genealogy on a PDA!)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Lightweight laptops and Family Tree Maker #unitedkingdom

BP Bergman <bergville@...>
 

Hazel,

If weight is an issue (which it is for all except the weight-lifters amongst
us!), have you considered a PDA (portable digital assistant)? They only
weigh a few ounces and slip easily into a pocket or handbag, but
surprisingly for such a tiny device, the modern high-resolution screens are
extremely readable. There is genealogical software available for download
from various websites, and the latest version of GedStar Pro will accept
Family Tree Maker files directly (although lesser versions can also be used
with Family Tree Maker just by exporting your file to GEDCOM - however these
are read-only which is fine if you just need to be able to refer to the
information, but you will need the full version if you want to be able to
edit it whilst you are at the library). GedStar Pro runs on the Palm
operating system which many PDAs have - other PDAs work on the Pocket PC
system for which you can use My Roots or Pocket Genealogist, but I do not
have any information on how compatible these are with FTM.

If you are not sure whether this option would suit, and are therefore
reluctant to shell out aroung £200 for a new PDA (which will probably have a
lot of features which you may not need), it is worth looking on eBay as it
is possible to pick up a reasonable second-user PDA quite cheaply.

Beverly Bergman
Camberley UK

(A recent convert to genealogy on a PDA!)