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Which cemetery - New York? #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am 'stuck' - advice please.

For several years I have been searching for the burial place of one Isidor
WOLF originally >from Russia/Poland (depends on which census you look at).

In the 1920 census Isidor is living at East 114th St, NY - it is known he
died before 1935. He is not listed in the 1930 census. I have checked the
New York death certificates on the web, however the 2 Isidor possibilities
have been ruled out after viewing the certificates.

A relative remembers that Isidor died in St. Johns Hospital, Queens. I
contacted the Hospital who informed me that records are not kept for more
than 10 years, thus there would be nothing anywhere for the period I am
looking in. Has anyone ever had experience with this hospital regarding old
records?

Isidor's sister is buried in Washington Cemetery but Isidor is not - any
idea of a particular cemetery that would encompass the hospital, 114th St
and Washington cemetery?

I have noted all the cemeteries in the New York area on Jewishgen cemetery
site, however I cannot possibly call each and every one.

Any ideas how to proceed would be most gratefully appreciated.

Thank you.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Which cemetery - New York? #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am 'stuck' - advice please.

For several years I have been searching for the burial place of one Isidor
WOLF originally >from Russia/Poland (depends on which census you look at).

In the 1920 census Isidor is living at East 114th St, NY - it is known he
died before 1935. He is not listed in the 1930 census. I have checked the
New York death certificates on the web, however the 2 Isidor possibilities
have been ruled out after viewing the certificates.

A relative remembers that Isidor died in St. Johns Hospital, Queens. I
contacted the Hospital who informed me that records are not kept for more
than 10 years, thus there would be nothing anywhere for the period I am
looking in. Has anyone ever had experience with this hospital regarding old
records?

Isidor's sister is buried in Washington Cemetery but Isidor is not - any
idea of a particular cemetery that would encompass the hospital, 114th St
and Washington cemetery?

I have noted all the cemeteries in the New York area on Jewishgen cemetery
site, however I cannot possibly call each and every one.

Any ideas how to proceed would be most gratefully appreciated.

Thank you.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


GRODSKY / GROTSKY - Russia/Poland New York #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Good morning,

I am updating a previous posting regarding family GRODSKY/GRODSKI/GROTSKY
and derivations of:-

Having just received information >from a death certificate 1913 I would ask
if the following names are within your family tree.

Charles GRODSKY born approx 1867 – butcher – arrived in the US in the late
1890’s. He was married to Bella (nee Wolf).

Charles died age 45 in 1913, in Kings County.

His parents names are given as Siskind GROTESKY and Sarah POCK.

Russia/Poland is given on various documents.

Charles and Bella who died in 1915, had 7 children, Sarah, Fanny, Edward,
Rebecca, William, Esther and Herman.- address in 1910 census Ludlow St.,
Manhattan. NY

After the sudden demise of both parents the children were raised by Bella’s
brother Isidor Wolf, a bachelor, who moved into the family home.

I am trying to connect with the Wolf family and perhaps by finding a GRODSKY
who had connections with the above family I can go forward with my research.

If I knew the town >from which the above GRODSKY family originated >from then
things might start to move. Charles I very much doubt was an only child so
perhaps his siblings went to the US too.

If you can help in any way please contact me.

I thank you for your time.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Searching WOLF - Chicago.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GRODSKY / GROTSKY - Russia/Poland New York #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Good morning,

I am updating a previous posting regarding family GRODSKY/GRODSKI/GROTSKY
and derivations of:-

Having just received information >from a death certificate 1913 I would ask
if the following names are within your family tree.

Charles GRODSKY born approx 1867 – butcher – arrived in the US in the late
1890’s. He was married to Bella (nee Wolf).

Charles died age 45 in 1913, in Kings County.

His parents names are given as Siskind GROTESKY and Sarah POCK.

Russia/Poland is given on various documents.

Charles and Bella who died in 1915, had 7 children, Sarah, Fanny, Edward,
Rebecca, William, Esther and Herman.- address in 1910 census Ludlow St.,
Manhattan. NY

After the sudden demise of both parents the children were raised by Bella’s
brother Isidor Wolf, a bachelor, who moved into the family home.

I am trying to connect with the Wolf family and perhaps by finding a GRODSKY
who had connections with the above family I can go forward with my research.

If I knew the town >from which the above GRODSKY family originated >from then
things might start to move. Charles I very much doubt was an only child so
perhaps his siblings went to the US too.

If you can help in any way please contact me.

I thank you for your time.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Searching WOLF - Chicago.


Barbados Jewish Records #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

For cemetery or burial records for your family on Barbados, you might visit
the following web site which is generated by Mary Gleadall who is most
helpful: www.tombstones.bb. You can contact Mary for more specific
information on your particular family as she has provided an on-line form
for information requests. There are 11,484 tombstone and 892 burial entries
in the database.

The web site includes both Jewish and non-Jewish information and contains
records >from not only Barbados, but the Carribean and Antigua.

Good luck,

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Barbados Jewish Records #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

For cemetery or burial records for your family on Barbados, you might visit
the following web site which is generated by Mary Gleadall who is most
helpful: www.tombstones.bb. You can contact Mary for more specific
information on your particular family as she has provided an on-line form
for information requests. There are 11,484 tombstone and 892 burial entries
in the database.

The web site includes both Jewish and non-Jewish information and contains
records >from not only Barbados, but the Carribean and Antigua.

Good luck,

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I would also like to add my 2 cents.

I don't recall a single incident that I did not get a reply to any e-mail
that I sent privately to this or any of the other SIG's that I belong to
on JewishGen.

I usually answer privately, unless if there is a reason that the answer
may be of use to other genners.

I have also tried to answer everyone who replied to an e-mail of mine,
and I hope that I have never forgotten anyone.

May I take this opportunity to thank everyone for being you. We all
benefit >from the collective knowledge of the members of the list, and
to request forgiveness if I ever forgot to thank someone who took the
time to answer a question of mine.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

P.S. Please note my new e-mail address
nachum613@gmail.com
I have updated my information on JewishGen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I would also like to add my 2 cents.

I don't recall a single incident that I did not get a reply to any e-mail
that I sent privately to this or any of the other SIG's that I belong to
on JewishGen.

I usually answer privately, unless if there is a reason that the answer
may be of use to other genners.

I have also tried to answer everyone who replied to an e-mail of mine,
and I hope that I have never forgotten anyone.

May I take this opportunity to thank everyone for being you. We all
benefit >from the collective knowledge of the members of the list, and
to request forgiveness if I ever forgot to thank someone who took the
time to answer a question of mine.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

P.S. Please note my new e-mail address
nachum613@gmail.com
I have updated my information on JewishGen


"Jewish Families in Galicia" - Converts #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Over the years, I have read much about the prostelyzing of Jews and their
conversions to Christianity. There were successful organized efforts to do
this especially in the 1700's and 1800's. Jews who were not that religious
or those who intermarried, or those who wished to avoid the negative issues
common to Jews in certain countries as well as those who came to believe in
the Christian ethic or those who became wealthy and wished to fit in, took
advantage of this way out of their Jewish state.

The prostelyzers were those who had roots in the communities or those who
were traveling missionaries who went >from town to town and gathered their
new adherants. Sometimes entire families converted and sometimes only one
member.

In England, for instance, there were Christian religious or missionary
groups who set up centers in the Jewish ghtettos or poverty-ridden areas
which provided much needed health care and food and religious sustenance and
other necessities and thereby captured new converts in this manner. One
found these groups still in existence in the 1920's in England and even
later. This happened not only in Europe, but in America as well.

Also of interest are a series of 1996 posts on the JewishGen digest made by
Joseph H. Rubinstein. He posted excerpts >from a book which was called
"Narrative of a Mission of Inquiry to the Jews >from the Church of Scotland
in 1839" or "Mission of Inquiry" and discussed a Church of Scotland
sponsored journey to Jewish areas in Europe and which included Galicia.
Very fascinating and well-worth reading and will give you a good idea of the
kinds of things which were taking place in the Jewish communities.

It always helps to read the JewishGen digest for help with topics you are
interested in as most certainly they have probably been discussed
previously.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Jewish Families in Galicia" - Converts #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Over the years, I have read much about the prostelyzing of Jews and their
conversions to Christianity. There were successful organized efforts to do
this especially in the 1700's and 1800's. Jews who were not that religious
or those who intermarried, or those who wished to avoid the negative issues
common to Jews in certain countries as well as those who came to believe in
the Christian ethic or those who became wealthy and wished to fit in, took
advantage of this way out of their Jewish state.

The prostelyzers were those who had roots in the communities or those who
were traveling missionaries who went >from town to town and gathered their
new adherants. Sometimes entire families converted and sometimes only one
member.

In England, for instance, there were Christian religious or missionary
groups who set up centers in the Jewish ghtettos or poverty-ridden areas
which provided much needed health care and food and religious sustenance and
other necessities and thereby captured new converts in this manner. One
found these groups still in existence in the 1920's in England and even
later. This happened not only in Europe, but in America as well.

Also of interest are a series of 1996 posts on the JewishGen digest made by
Joseph H. Rubinstein. He posted excerpts >from a book which was called
"Narrative of a Mission of Inquiry to the Jews >from the Church of Scotland
in 1839" or "Mission of Inquiry" and discussed a Church of Scotland
sponsored journey to Jewish areas in Europe and which included Galicia.
Very fascinating and well-worth reading and will give you a good idea of the
kinds of things which were taking place in the Jewish communities.

It always helps to read the JewishGen digest for help with topics you are
interested in as most certainly they have probably been discussed
previously.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


BOGASLAVSKY Family #general

Dov & Varda Epstein <yknow@...>
 

Dear Dottie,
I think it is likely your family, like my paternal maternal family comes
from Boguslav, in Kiev Gubernia (Ukraine), known in the Jewish vernacular as
Boslov. Boguslav means: God is good, and the hypothesis is that Jews did not
want to pronounce the name of the (Christian?) God, and thus slurred the
name, much as the Satmar Chassidim avoid the real pronounciation of their
shtetl of origin, which means St. Mary.

Boguslav has an e-list for Jewish researchers, carried by Yahoo, which is
called boslovlist@yahoogroups.com
Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel


Re: Lack of common courtesy #general

abe simon
 

Just a quick note to add my 2 sheckels.
I have received and given direct thanks to many people.
I notice there are many people who end their post for info with "thanks in
advance". Is this supposed to be a shortcut for real thanks when you get
good info? It's like telling a waitperson in a restaurant thanks in advance
for serving me so I don't have to leave you a tip.

Abe Simon
Las Vegas NV
email abe_simon@cox.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BOGASLAVSKY Family #general

Dov & Varda Epstein <yknow@...>
 

Dear Dottie,
I think it is likely your family, like my paternal maternal family comes
from Boguslav, in Kiev Gubernia (Ukraine), known in the Jewish vernacular as
Boslov. Boguslav means: God is good, and the hypothesis is that Jews did not
want to pronounce the name of the (Christian?) God, and thus slurred the
name, much as the Satmar Chassidim avoid the real pronounciation of their
shtetl of origin, which means St. Mary.

Boguslav has an e-list for Jewish researchers, carried by Yahoo, which is
called boslovlist@yahoogroups.com
Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Lack of common courtesy #general

abe simon
 

Just a quick note to add my 2 sheckels.
I have received and given direct thanks to many people.
I notice there are many people who end their post for info with "thanks in
advance". Is this supposed to be a shortcut for real thanks when you get
good info? It's like telling a waitperson in a restaurant thanks in advance
for serving me so I don't have to leave you a tip.

Abe Simon
Las Vegas NV
email abe_simon@cox.net


Re: * Tombstone engraving mystery name #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 21 May 2005 16:39:20 UTC, tom.vene@uol.com.br (Tom Venetianer)
opined:

Dear all,

My gggf's grave, (died in 1888), has a very old and worn out tombstone. His father's
Hebrew name is likely:
jud (for sure) - he (or tav) - nun (or vav) - resh (or dalet)
Can you make out a name? Which?

I'm not publishing the photo on Viewmate because it is almost illegible. The letters
mentioned above were obtained through a kind gentleman who visited the cemetery.

Many thanks in advance, please reply in private
Regards
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil
The gentlemen that visited the grave appears to have missed the final HEH
completely. Your gggf was Yehuda.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: * Tombstone engraving mystery name #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 21 May 2005 16:39:20 UTC, tom.vene@uol.com.br (Tom Venetianer)
opined:

Dear all,

My gggf's grave, (died in 1888), has a very old and worn out tombstone. His father's
Hebrew name is likely:
jud (for sure) - he (or tav) - nun (or vav) - resh (or dalet)
Can you make out a name? Which?

I'm not publishing the photo on Viewmate because it is almost illegible. The letters
mentioned above were obtained through a kind gentleman who visited the cemetery.

Many thanks in advance, please reply in private
Regards
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil
The gentlemen that visited the grave appears to have missed the final HEH
completely. Your gggf was Yehuda.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


H-SIG Information on Csenger, Szatmar/Satu Mare #general

Vivian Kahn
 

I respectfully disagree with the moderator's advice. Guta, Csenger,
and Pressburg/Bratislava were all in pre-Trianon Hungary, which is
within the scope of the Hungarian SIG, not the Austria/Czech SIG.
Bratislava, known as Pozsony in Hungarian, was in Czechoslovakia after
WWI but is now in the Slovak Republic. Csenger was in Szatmar megye
(county), now Romania, and Guta was in Nograd megye, now in Slovakia as
well. Check the All-Hungary database for records >from these
communities.

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator

MODERATOR NOTE: The moderator stands corrected. Bratislava, in
Slovakia, is properly within the geographical area covered by H-SIG.
Its proximity to Vienna makes connections to the Austria-Czech
SIG's area likely, but H-SIG is a more appropriate forum. Information
about H-SIG can be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/>.

Subject: Information on Csenger, Szatmar/Satu Mare and UNSDORFER
From: "S.B. Goitein" <sbgoitein@seed.uk.net>
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:22:20 +0100
X-Message-Number: 18

Dear Genners

I am trying to trace my ancestry on my mother's side. Her maiden name
was Unsdorfer and her father (my grandfather) came >from
Pressburg/Bratislava, Czech. Up until recently I had believed that his father,
my great-grandfather Unsdorfer, was born in Gutta, known today as
Kolarovo. However, a recent visit to the Yad Vashem website revealed that he
might actually have been born in Csenger, Szatmar. I visited the NY Library
online where they have a Csenger Yizkor book, but his name was not there. It
could be that they moved >from Csenger to Gutta after he was born. However, I
seem to have come to a dead end.

If anyone has information about Csenger, has Unsdorfer in the
family/friends or has any advice/ information on how I could
best pursue this quest, I would be very grateful for any help.

Please respond privately.

Many thanks in advance.

Michael Goitein
London
sbgoitein@seed.uk.net

MODERATOR NOTE: For best results, we suggest that you post this query
in JewishGen's Austria-Czech SIG (Special Interest Group) mailing list.
For more information, go to <http://www.jewishgen.org/AustriaCzech/>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen H-SIG Information on Csenger, Szatmar/Satu Mare #general

Vivian Kahn
 

I respectfully disagree with the moderator's advice. Guta, Csenger,
and Pressburg/Bratislava were all in pre-Trianon Hungary, which is
within the scope of the Hungarian SIG, not the Austria/Czech SIG.
Bratislava, known as Pozsony in Hungarian, was in Czechoslovakia after
WWI but is now in the Slovak Republic. Csenger was in Szatmar megye
(county), now Romania, and Guta was in Nograd megye, now in Slovakia as
well. Check the All-Hungary database for records >from these
communities.

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator

MODERATOR NOTE: The moderator stands corrected. Bratislava, in
Slovakia, is properly within the geographical area covered by H-SIG.
Its proximity to Vienna makes connections to the Austria-Czech
SIG's area likely, but H-SIG is a more appropriate forum. Information
about H-SIG can be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/>.

Subject: Information on Csenger, Szatmar/Satu Mare and UNSDORFER
From: "S.B. Goitein" <sbgoitein@seed.uk.net>
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:22:20 +0100
X-Message-Number: 18

Dear Genners

I am trying to trace my ancestry on my mother's side. Her maiden name
was Unsdorfer and her father (my grandfather) came >from
Pressburg/Bratislava, Czech. Up until recently I had believed that his father,
my great-grandfather Unsdorfer, was born in Gutta, known today as
Kolarovo. However, a recent visit to the Yad Vashem website revealed that he
might actually have been born in Csenger, Szatmar. I visited the NY Library
online where they have a Csenger Yizkor book, but his name was not there. It
could be that they moved >from Csenger to Gutta after he was born. However, I
seem to have come to a dead end.

If anyone has information about Csenger, has Unsdorfer in the
family/friends or has any advice/ information on how I could
best pursue this quest, I would be very grateful for any help.

Please respond privately.

Many thanks in advance.

Michael Goitein
London
sbgoitein@seed.uk.net

MODERATOR NOTE: For best results, we suggest that you post this query
in JewishGen's Austria-Czech SIG (Special Interest Group) mailing list.
For more information, go to <http://www.jewishgen.org/AustriaCzech/>.


Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Barb & Howard
 

Dear Friends,

It has been interesting to read the comments of a wide spectrum of
personalities on this site, and learn just how diverse a group we really
are. I have come to know many of you simply by your names and learned
comments. I have learned much >from this forum and hope that I have
contributed equally to others. The use of the computer lends itself to being
a very one dimensional observational platform. If I have ever slighted any
one of you by not acknowledging, responding, or saying "thanks" for your
help, then let me say publicly, here and now; "Thank You"; and I do
apologize.

Hopefully, we all have lives outside of the genealogy world. Life simply
intrudes, on a daily basis, when we are trying to do the things we think we
should be doing for, or saying to, our fellow genealogists, and the people
around us. Other matters take immediate precedence. I take the attitude that
I can't fathom what is going on in other folk's lives, and it is just not
right for me to be judgmental. I have not always gotten back to the kind
individuals who have taken their precious time to assist me in my quest.
However, I do try to respond, and of necessity, must assume that others also
do their best as time allows. I don't know if the individual on the other
end of this key board is ill, or is experiencing tragedy in their lives, or
their kids need their immediate attention, or for what ever reason.

If I get a "thank you", then it fine. If I do not get a response or a "thank
you", that has to be fine also. Most of the folks on this site are here just
seeking and giving help to one another. If we do not expect a "thank you"
message then we will tend not to be disappointed. Helping one another needs
to be cultivated and encouraged as a wonderful Jewish trait. Helping one
another is its own reward. If any of you out there feels that they must make
amends for the sin of a "Thank You" omission, then consider making a
financial contribution to this wonderful JewishGen Discussion Group now. It
is a splendid way to continuously help and support our common cause.

Now, I hope that my cousin who wrote to me six months ago, and who I have
never met, will be thrilled with me and the response I finally forwarded
just this morning.

Bless you all,

Howard Steinmetz

MODERATOR NOTE: We will close this thread at midnight tonight Houston
time (0500 GMT). Any posts submitted after that time will be considered
for posting only if they contribute significant new insights or information.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Barb & Howard
 

Dear Friends,

It has been interesting to read the comments of a wide spectrum of
personalities on this site, and learn just how diverse a group we really
are. I have come to know many of you simply by your names and learned
comments. I have learned much >from this forum and hope that I have
contributed equally to others. The use of the computer lends itself to being
a very one dimensional observational platform. If I have ever slighted any
one of you by not acknowledging, responding, or saying "thanks" for your
help, then let me say publicly, here and now; "Thank You"; and I do
apologize.

Hopefully, we all have lives outside of the genealogy world. Life simply
intrudes, on a daily basis, when we are trying to do the things we think we
should be doing for, or saying to, our fellow genealogists, and the people
around us. Other matters take immediate precedence. I take the attitude that
I can't fathom what is going on in other folk's lives, and it is just not
right for me to be judgmental. I have not always gotten back to the kind
individuals who have taken their precious time to assist me in my quest.
However, I do try to respond, and of necessity, must assume that others also
do their best as time allows. I don't know if the individual on the other
end of this key board is ill, or is experiencing tragedy in their lives, or
their kids need their immediate attention, or for what ever reason.

If I get a "thank you", then it fine. If I do not get a response or a "thank
you", that has to be fine also. Most of the folks on this site are here just
seeking and giving help to one another. If we do not expect a "thank you"
message then we will tend not to be disappointed. Helping one another needs
to be cultivated and encouraged as a wonderful Jewish trait. Helping one
another is its own reward. If any of you out there feels that they must make
amends for the sin of a "Thank You" omission, then consider making a
financial contribution to this wonderful JewishGen Discussion Group now. It
is a splendid way to continuously help and support our common cause.

Now, I hope that my cousin who wrote to me six months ago, and who I have
never met, will be thrilled with me and the response I finally forwarded
just this morning.

Bless you all,

Howard Steinmetz

MODERATOR NOTE: We will close this thread at midnight tonight Houston
time (0500 GMT). Any posts submitted after that time will be considered
for posting only if they contribute significant new insights or information.