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Re: Cohanim and their rightful name. #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/3/2005 1:04:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
israel@... writes:

< The "Cohen modal haplotype" is more common among Cohanim than
non-Cohanim, but neither its presence nor its absence constitutes proof of
one's status. Since no definitive proof is available, all anyone can go on
is family tradition. >

==Better yet than tradition, synagogue records, ketubot, imprimaturs on
books, tombstones and specific location of burial.

Michael Bernet, New York
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Cohanim and their rightful name. #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/3/2005 1:04:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
israel@... writes:

< The "Cohen modal haplotype" is more common among Cohanim than
non-Cohanim, but neither its presence nor its absence constitutes proof of
one's status. Since no definitive proof is available, all anyone can go on
is family tradition. >

==Better yet than tradition, synagogue records, ketubot, imprimaturs on
books, tombstones and specific location of burial.

Michael Bernet, New York
Peter MEYER & family: interpreting records #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Dear Genners,
Let me first thank you for all the incredible
tips, hints, clues and websites you have provided, and
for the incredible wealth of information I have
learned just >from reading others'postings. Because of
following your advice, I found two possible
break-throughs last night. However, there are some
questions I have that I am hoping someone can answer,
and boy do I need help.Please forgive me, as I cannot
figure out how to do viewmate.
1. My G-grandfather Peter MEYER came to NY (Castle
Gardens)in 1884. There is someone with this exact name
and his profession (carpenter) and year of birth, 1857
that came over on the ship P. Caland. I found this on
the Stephen Morse website. The question is, he is
listed as >from Germany, and on 1900-1920 Manhattan, NY
censuses his origin is listed as either Russia or
Poland. I assume Galicia, however, does "German" fit
in with this?
2. Using Stephen Morse's site again under Castle
Garden passengers, I did a search for my G-grandmother
Gussie MEYER, (Peter's wife) born about 1861. I had no
luck until I tried omitting her first name and used a
"starts with" search. I then tried her son Abe, born
in 1882, and Abe MEYERSCHER came up b. 1882, along
with Josef b. 1880, Salomon b. 1884 and the mother who
I am hoping is Gussie listed as Flake. I took a closer
look and realized it was actually Zlate. Here are my
questions:
- Could the name Zlate become Gussie?
- Could Gussie's age be off by 9 years?.
- As Gussie had several children who had died by
1895 that I do not know the names of, would it have
been likely that she would have named later children,
(my grandfather,Samuel and his brother Joseph) after
them?
- The 1900 and 1910 Manhattan, NY census also
list a daughter named Celia, born about 1887 in
Russia, but she is not listed with the above group??
- The town of origin is listed as Yanona,
Austria. Has anyone heard of this?


I hope I am not just grasping at straws. Thank
you so much in advance for all your help.
Shari Kantrow
sjoysk@...


MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Galicia>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
SCHWARTZ,HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SHAPIRO- Bukaczowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Peter MEYER & family: interpreting records #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Dear Genners,
Let me first thank you for all the incredible
tips, hints, clues and websites you have provided, and
for the incredible wealth of information I have
learned just >from reading others'postings. Because of
following your advice, I found two possible
break-throughs last night. However, there are some
questions I have that I am hoping someone can answer,
and boy do I need help.Please forgive me, as I cannot
figure out how to do viewmate.
1. My G-grandfather Peter MEYER came to NY (Castle
Gardens)in 1884. There is someone with this exact name
and his profession (carpenter) and year of birth, 1857
that came over on the ship P. Caland. I found this on
the Stephen Morse website. The question is, he is
listed as >from Germany, and on 1900-1920 Manhattan, NY
censuses his origin is listed as either Russia or
Poland. I assume Galicia, however, does "German" fit
in with this?
2. Using Stephen Morse's site again under Castle
Garden passengers, I did a search for my G-grandmother
Gussie MEYER, (Peter's wife) born about 1861. I had no
luck until I tried omitting her first name and used a
"starts with" search. I then tried her son Abe, born
in 1882, and Abe MEYERSCHER came up b. 1882, along
with Josef b. 1880, Salomon b. 1884 and the mother who
I am hoping is Gussie listed as Flake. I took a closer
look and realized it was actually Zlate. Here are my
questions:
- Could the name Zlate become Gussie?
- Could Gussie's age be off by 9 years?.
- As Gussie had several children who had died by
1895 that I do not know the names of, would it have
been likely that she would have named later children,
(my grandfather,Samuel and his brother Joseph) after
them?
- The 1900 and 1910 Manhattan, NY census also
list a daughter named Celia, born about 1887 in
Russia, but she is not listed with the above group??
- The town of origin is listed as Yanona,
Austria. Has anyone heard of this?


I hope I am not just grasping at straws. Thank
you so much in advance for all your help.
Shari Kantrow
sjoysk@...


MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Galicia>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
SCHWARTZ,HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SHAPIRO- Bukaczowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
Polish Translation: Birth Certificate 1911 #general

Gary Palgon <gmpalgon@...>
 

I am looking for a translation of a Polish Birth Certificate >from 1911.
It can be found at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6180

Please reply by direct email to gmpalgon@...

Thanks,

Gary
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish Translation: Birth Certificate 1911 #general

Gary Palgon <gmpalgon@...>
 

I am looking for a translation of a Polish Birth Certificate >from 1911.
It can be found at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6180

Please reply by direct email to gmpalgon@...

Thanks,

Gary
Re: sighet #romania

Lawrence Litwin <theslice@...>
 

Dear all rom siggers who replied to Fogel, Kuhn, Wilhelem

Thank you for your contributions to my query on family researching
names for the town of Sighetu and Viseu de sus. Some of your answers
have guided me in a good direction.
much is appreciated.

Lawrence Litwin.
Romania SIG #Romania Re: sighet #romania

Lawrence Litwin <theslice@...>
 

Dear all rom siggers who replied to Fogel, Kuhn, Wilhelem

Thank you for your contributions to my query on family researching
names for the town of Sighetu and Viseu de sus. Some of your answers
have guided me in a good direction.
much is appreciated.

Lawrence Litwin.
Chozeh mi Lublin #rabbinic

Lawrence Litwin <theslice@...>
 

Hello RavSIGgers,

I have been able to complete some of my research regarding the
Chozeh of Lublin. Apparently there is a book written about his life
and times. Does anyone know about this book if so I would be
interested in purchasing a copy of it.

Apparently his son Kappel HOROWITZ was also a famed rabbi and I was
interested in any information regarding Kappel. I also found out
that Koppel Engelsberg is named after the afformentioned Kappel.
any information on both would be helpful. I am especially looking
for their rabbinical works.

I just picked up the Chozeh mi Lublin's book the Zot Zikaron, and
have arranged lessons with my local Chabad rabbi to learn about the
Chozeh's life and thoughts. It shall be interesting.

Thanks

Lawrence Litwin
Ariyer_Tzvi

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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Chozeh mi Lublin #rabbinic

Lawrence Litwin <theslice@...>
 

Hello RavSIGgers,

I have been able to complete some of my research regarding the
Chozeh of Lublin. Apparently there is a book written about his life
and times. Does anyone know about this book if so I would be
interested in purchasing a copy of it.

Apparently his son Kappel HOROWITZ was also a famed rabbi and I was
interested in any information regarding Kappel. I also found out
that Koppel Engelsberg is named after the afformentioned Kappel.
any information on both would be helpful. I am especially looking
for their rabbinical works.

I just picked up the Chozeh mi Lublin's book the Zot Zikaron, and
have arranged lessons with my local Chabad rabbi to learn about the
Chozeh's life and thoughts. It shall be interesting.

Thanks

Lawrence Litwin
Ariyer_Tzvi

[Moderator's Note: Please reply privately if your reply includes
specific suggestions of commercial availability.]
Detroit Shirley Eder school burning down approx. 1910 #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I have two questions concerning Detroit,
Anyone know the parents or genealogy of Shirley Eder, write died this
week. I am a EDER, >from Tarnobrzeg, anyone know if Shirely's family came
from Tarnobrzeg???
Second, when my grandfather was in 5th grade his school burned down in
Detroit about 1910 any knowledge on that subject. Thanks faithful
researchers..Gayle >from California
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Detroit Shirley Eder school burning down approx. 1910 #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I have two questions concerning Detroit,
Anyone know the parents or genealogy of Shirley Eder, write died this
week. I am a EDER, >from Tarnobrzeg, anyone know if Shirely's family came
from Tarnobrzeg???
Second, when my grandfather was in 5th grade his school burned down in
Detroit about 1910 any knowledge on that subject. Thanks faithful
researchers..Gayle >from California
REINES family origins in Lithuania #general

elana eisenstein <elanafay@...>
 

I am trying to trace my REINES family history.

My great great grandmother was Masha Reines. She lived in Zembrov for much
or her life and died in Bialystok. I have not been able to find any birth
or marriage records for her. Can anyone tell me, >from what town was the
Lithuanian branch of the Reines family originally from.

Is anyone familiar with Rabbi Moshe (no last name given for him) who
married Raina (Reines), earlier in the family history. Do you know where
Rabbi Moshe was >from and what year he was married?

Any help is much appreciated. Thank you.

Elana Eisenstein
New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you looked for Polish records as well as
Lithuanian ones? If not, look at Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/ to see if they have anything
relevant to your search.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen REINES family origins in Lithuania #general

elana eisenstein <elanafay@...>
 

I am trying to trace my REINES family history.

My great great grandmother was Masha Reines. She lived in Zembrov for much
or her life and died in Bialystok. I have not been able to find any birth
or marriage records for her. Can anyone tell me, >from what town was the
Lithuanian branch of the Reines family originally from.

Is anyone familiar with Rabbi Moshe (no last name given for him) who
married Raina (Reines), earlier in the family history. Do you know where
Rabbi Moshe was >from and what year he was married?

Any help is much appreciated. Thank you.

Elana Eisenstein
New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you looked for Polish records as well as
Lithuanian ones? If not, look at Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/ to see if they have anything
relevant to your search.
Re: Were they from Poland or Russia? #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

Well, you've pretty much managed to stumble upon my point.

Last time I was in Poland I had a very interesting conversation with
very well educated, very nice, English speaking Polish guy who expressed
to me his belief that much of the "anti-Jewish" feeling in Poland stem
from the "fact" that Jews had a different attitude and feeling toward
Russians. Another guy in Eastern Poland who was ethnic Belorussian
Orthodox insisted that members of his Belorussian Orthodox minority in
Eastern Poland had a much better attitude toward Jews and had a much
better relationship with Jews before the war than Polish Catholics did.
I wish the three of us could have had a conversation!

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com



Robert Israel wrote:

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...> wrote:

I think it's interesting that non Jews >from these same areas had none of
this confusion or ambivalence. No Pole >from Lublin in his right mind
would ever dare say he was Russian or >from Russia! I tink it's very
instructive regarding the national situation that Jews in these areas
found themselves in, and how that created many problems for them.
By and large, our ancestors didn't have any confusion: they knew what
they were, namely Jewish. The confusion arose when people,
in particular North American census-takers or various bureaucrats,
would not accept "Jewish" as a nationality, and insisted on a
geographical designation.

And I don't think it's the case that the non-Jews were immune to
this type of confusion, either.
Re: Cohanim and their rightful name. #general

Tom Chatt
 

This had never occurred to me before, but does being a Cohen or a Levite
only pass through male lines? That seems a bit odd, since doesn't being
Jewish at all technically come >from the mother and not the father? (Couldn't
you theoretically end up with a Cohen having non-Cohen grandsons through his
daughter who married a non-Cohen, and also having non-Jewish Cohen grandsons
through his son who married a non-Jew?)

If one's ancestor is a Cohen or Levi, and you find other people with the
same surname >from the same area who are also Cohen (or Levi), does that
increase the likelihood of their being related?

Tom Chatt
Los Angeles, CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Were they from Poland or Russia? #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

Well, you've pretty much managed to stumble upon my point.

Last time I was in Poland I had a very interesting conversation with
very well educated, very nice, English speaking Polish guy who expressed
to me his belief that much of the "anti-Jewish" feeling in Poland stem
from the "fact" that Jews had a different attitude and feeling toward
Russians. Another guy in Eastern Poland who was ethnic Belorussian
Orthodox insisted that members of his Belorussian Orthodox minority in
Eastern Poland had a much better attitude toward Jews and had a much
better relationship with Jews before the war than Polish Catholics did.
I wish the three of us could have had a conversation!

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com



Robert Israel wrote:

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...> wrote:

I think it's interesting that non Jews >from these same areas had none of
this confusion or ambivalence. No Pole >from Lublin in his right mind
would ever dare say he was Russian or >from Russia! I tink it's very
instructive regarding the national situation that Jews in these areas
found themselves in, and how that created many problems for them.
By and large, our ancestors didn't have any confusion: they knew what
they were, namely Jewish. The confusion arose when people,
in particular North American census-takers or various bureaucrats,
would not accept "Jewish" as a nationality, and insisted on a
geographical designation.

And I don't think it's the case that the non-Jews were immune to
this type of confusion, either.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Cohanim and their rightful name. #general

Tom Chatt
 

This had never occurred to me before, but does being a Cohen or a Levite
only pass through male lines? That seems a bit odd, since doesn't being
Jewish at all technically come >from the mother and not the father? (Couldn't
you theoretically end up with a Cohen having non-Cohen grandsons through his
daughter who married a non-Cohen, and also having non-Jewish Cohen grandsons
through his son who married a non-Jew?)

If one's ancestor is a Cohen or Levi, and you find other people with the
same surname >from the same area who are also Cohen (or Levi), does that
increase the likelihood of their being related?

Tom Chatt
Los Angeles, CA
Seeking Any Advice And Help In Obtaining Vital Records From Argentina #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All Researchers:

My grandfathers's family(Fajkes/Faikes)originaly came >from Poland, but
migrated to Argentina in the 1930's. I am interested in trying to find
out how to get vital records on some of his family, and what the cost
would be. I have the death dates for two of his brothers who are buried
in a Jewish cemetery in Argentina. I also came across several photo's
of his siblings which confirms the fact that they were in argentina
because the print on the post card photo is in spanish mixed with
possible hebrew/yiddish writing. I believe they were photo's that were
sent to my grandfather, since he was the only one besides his sister
rose and mother reva who came to the states.

The photo's are very interesting and when I get a free moment I will
post them, for I would love to have the writing on the backs of them
translated. So, If anyone can offer advice on the best cost effective
way to obtain vital records please let me know.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Any Advice And Help In Obtaining Vital Records From Argentina #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All Researchers:

My grandfathers's family(Fajkes/Faikes)originaly came >from Poland, but
migrated to Argentina in the 1930's. I am interested in trying to find
out how to get vital records on some of his family, and what the cost
would be. I have the death dates for two of his brothers who are buried
in a Jewish cemetery in Argentina. I also came across several photo's
of his siblings which confirms the fact that they were in argentina
because the print on the post card photo is in spanish mixed with
possible hebrew/yiddish writing. I believe they were photo's that were
sent to my grandfather, since he was the only one besides his sister
rose and mother reva who came to the states.

The photo's are very interesting and when I get a free moment I will
post them, for I would love to have the writing on the backs of them
translated. So, If anyone can offer advice on the best cost effective
way to obtain vital records please let me know.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@...
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