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Re: MASH, LION and KENNEDY - are they Jewish? #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

On May 26th 2005 Claire Sztern >from Paris asked "as
a French person, I'm not really familiar with the
Jewish names in America since many immigrants changed
their names. I would like to know if the names MASH,
LION and KENNEDY can be Jewish (for example, do you
know any Jewish family with these names?"

There have been various replies about this and
Mathilde Tagger's was closest to the truth [re
Kennedy]. Robert Israel in Vancouver wrote "KENNEDY is
of course a common Irish/Scottish/English name, and I
can't think of a plausible Jewish derivation, except
that if somebody wanted to choose a very non-Jewish
sounding name starting with K this might be one that
came to mind (especially after 1960 or so)."

This and similar replies have missed the point
relating to Hungarian Ken[n]edys! I knew Hungarian
Ken[n]edys as a child in Alexandria, Egypt in the
1940s. They were certainly not thinking of Gaelic
antecedants!

If you search the Yad Vashem database you will see
where the name came from. Many Jews with the name KOHN
changed their names much earlier than the 1960s and
many, many years before they ever thought of
emigrating to English-speaking countries [mainly the
UK or USA]!

As with the name KERRY; this was chosen by a certain
KOHN family now prominent in the US, years before they
emigrated to the USA; the name-change documents are
available in Vienna. They were never thinking of
Boston, Mass. at the time!

My own KOHN family living in Grossbock in the far
north of Bohemia since the early 1700s and >from 1850s
in Vienna, changed their name to KERNER in Vienna in
the 1890s. There are many early variants of KOHN I
have come across in Vienna, Germany and Hungary and
they include Kerr, Kende and Kary.

In the Zentralfriedhof, Vienna we can find a Johanna
KENDE who died aged 53 in May 1898.

The Yad Vashem database reveals KENDI, KENDY, KENDE,
KENEDI and CHENDI >from Transyvania, Hungary and
Subcarpathian Ruthenia [then in Czechoslovakia].

Here are the KENEDI burials in the Jewish Vienna
Zentralfriedhof: [date of burial is given]:

Kenedi Alfred age 74 20.05.1954
Kenedi Arthur age 45 1.02.1915
Kenedi Ernst age 56 24.11.1938

and here is one KENEDI family all buried together [nb
Julius was born in 1846 and I am sure never touched
foot in the USA or heard of the Irish Kennedys]:

KENEDI Ernst age 56 24.11.1938
Helene age 44 22.05.1900
Herbert age 7 weeks 18.07.1906
Julius age 52 29.09.1898

These were probably all KOHNS to start with and they
"hungarified" their names. There were definitely
Jewish KENEDIs a long time ago and some of these may
then have anglicised the Hungarian spelling even
further to Kennedy when arriving in the USA or UK. The
surviving KENDIs and KENDES may also have taken this
route to a more anglo-sounding "Kennedy".

This does not rule out that there may have been some
de-novo name changes of immigrants as they arrived in
the English-speaking world without the intermediate
KENDE/KENDI/KENEDI stage!

All I wish to stress is that the name and its variants
was used amongst Hungarian Jews many, many years ago.
As I do not speak Hungarian, I do not know if
the name KENDE and variants has an actual meaning.

Celia Male [UK]
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: MASH, LION and KENNEDY - are they Jewish? #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

On May 26th 2005 Claire Sztern >from Paris asked "as
a French person, I'm not really familiar with the
Jewish names in America since many immigrants changed
their names. I would like to know if the names MASH,
LION and KENNEDY can be Jewish (for example, do you
know any Jewish family with these names?"

There have been various replies about this and
Mathilde Tagger's was closest to the truth [re
Kennedy]. Robert Israel in Vancouver wrote "KENNEDY is
of course a common Irish/Scottish/English name, and I
can't think of a plausible Jewish derivation, except
that if somebody wanted to choose a very non-Jewish
sounding name starting with K this might be one that
came to mind (especially after 1960 or so)."

This and similar replies have missed the point
relating to Hungarian Ken[n]edys! I knew Hungarian
Ken[n]edys as a child in Alexandria, Egypt in the
1940s. They were certainly not thinking of Gaelic
antecedants!

If you search the Yad Vashem database you will see
where the name came from. Many Jews with the name KOHN
changed their names much earlier than the 1960s and
many, many years before they ever thought of
emigrating to English-speaking countries [mainly the
UK or USA]!

As with the name KERRY; this was chosen by a certain
KOHN family now prominent in the US, years before they
emigrated to the USA; the name-change documents are
available in Vienna. They were never thinking of
Boston, Mass. at the time!

My own KOHN family living in Grossbock in the far
north of Bohemia since the early 1700s and >from 1850s
in Vienna, changed their name to KERNER in Vienna in
the 1890s. There are many early variants of KOHN I
have come across in Vienna, Germany and Hungary and
they include Kerr, Kende and Kary.

In the Zentralfriedhof, Vienna we can find a Johanna
KENDE who died aged 53 in May 1898.

The Yad Vashem database reveals KENDI, KENDY, KENDE,
KENEDI and CHENDI >from Transyvania, Hungary and
Subcarpathian Ruthenia [then in Czechoslovakia].

Here are the KENEDI burials in the Jewish Vienna
Zentralfriedhof: [date of burial is given]:

Kenedi Alfred age 74 20.05.1954
Kenedi Arthur age 45 1.02.1915
Kenedi Ernst age 56 24.11.1938

and here is one KENEDI family all buried together [nb
Julius was born in 1846 and I am sure never touched
foot in the USA or heard of the Irish Kennedys]:

KENEDI Ernst age 56 24.11.1938
Helene age 44 22.05.1900
Herbert age 7 weeks 18.07.1906
Julius age 52 29.09.1898

These were probably all KOHNS to start with and they
"hungarified" their names. There were definitely
Jewish KENEDIs a long time ago and some of these may
then have anglicised the Hungarian spelling even
further to Kennedy when arriving in the USA or UK. The
surviving KENDIs and KENDES may also have taken this
route to a more anglo-sounding "Kennedy".

This does not rule out that there may have been some
de-novo name changes of immigrants as they arrived in
the English-speaking world without the intermediate
KENDE/KENDI/KENEDI stage!

All I wish to stress is that the name and its variants
was used amongst Hungarian Jews many, many years ago.
As I do not speak Hungarian, I do not know if
the name KENDE and variants has an actual meaning.

Celia Male [UK]
Meyer: Castle Gardens #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Dear Genners,
Thank you all so much for the outpouring of help
and information I received to my questions on the
MEYER family arrivals at Castle Gardens and other
related inquiries to this family. I deeply appreciate
all of your responses.
Warmest regards,
Shari Kantrow
Bloomfield, NJ

MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia>NY
SCHWARTZ,HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SHAPIRO- Bukaczowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
Rabbi Posner/Pozner in Warsaw in 19th century #general

Shaul Berger <shaul@...>
 

Hi,

I am hitting a wall trying to find information about Leib POSNER, born in
Warsaw by middle of 19th century and died around 1928. He married Chaya and
they had more than 6 children born >from 1880-1897.

Leib's brother (or some other close relative) was famous rabbi in Warsaw. I
hope that someone can point me to a starting point for this lead.

I tried all JewishGen databases but no luck. Any suggestions are welcome. If
anybody is familar with POZNER/POSNER family, please write as any
information or
leads are appreciated.

Thank you

Shaul Berger
shaul@bergerworld.net

Also researching NEUMAN and NACHT (>from Buczacz), BRUMMER (Lwow), HUTTER
(Przemysl)
OCHOTNICKI & ERENREJCH (>from Kielce area)
Slovakia - BERGER
Hungary - SPITZER (>from Szecseny and Losonc)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meyer: Castle Gardens #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Dear Genners,
Thank you all so much for the outpouring of help
and information I received to my questions on the
MEYER family arrivals at Castle Gardens and other
related inquiries to this family. I deeply appreciate
all of your responses.
Warmest regards,
Shari Kantrow
Bloomfield, NJ

MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia>NY
SCHWARTZ,HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SHAPIRO- Bukaczowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi Posner/Pozner in Warsaw in 19th century #general

Shaul Berger <shaul@...>
 

Hi,

I am hitting a wall trying to find information about Leib POSNER, born in
Warsaw by middle of 19th century and died around 1928. He married Chaya and
they had more than 6 children born >from 1880-1897.

Leib's brother (or some other close relative) was famous rabbi in Warsaw. I
hope that someone can point me to a starting point for this lead.

I tried all JewishGen databases but no luck. Any suggestions are welcome. If
anybody is familar with POZNER/POSNER family, please write as any
information or
leads are appreciated.

Thank you

Shaul Berger
shaul@bergerworld.net

Also researching NEUMAN and NACHT (>from Buczacz), BRUMMER (Lwow), HUTTER
(Przemysl)
OCHOTNICKI & ERENREJCH (>from Kielce area)
Slovakia - BERGER
Hungary - SPITZER (>from Szecseny and Losonc)
HYMOFF from Poland #general

Jenni Hymoff Koeppel
 

Hello again,

I got the following information >from the Waltham Archives regarding my ggf,
Israel HYMOFF

Set 6 1 document 3 pages – Israel Hymoff
Petition for Naturalization
Born Lublin Russian Poland Sept 11 1871
Arrived NY,NY June 26 1889

They do not have the name of the ship or any further information. I know
that he married Adeline Pauline KADETSKY widow WATERS around 1890, they had
5 surviving children (they and their own children all accounted for but the
names and birth years don't match with the children named in the 1900 census
so there must have been a few that did not survive). . In the 1910 census
an Israel Hymuth is registered in Rutland State Hospital and as coming >from
Germany - we are fairly sure it is the same person. Although the family had
not moved, they are not listed in the 1910 census. Adeline died in 1918 in
the flu epidemic. In 1920 Israel is listed in the census as living with his
daughter and son in law Max, as a matter of a fact, all Israel's children
were living with poor Max- he married an entire family, not just a wife!

1. Any suggestions on how to find out the ship he arrived in NY on to see
the manifests and maybe find out where he was really >from and
2. How could I get records >from the hospital, that no longer exists
according to Google info.
3. Any recommendations on what our next step should be?

Thanks in advance for all your help,

cheers, Jenni Hymoff
HYMOFF and KADETSKY, Poland
KRAVETSKY and REDLER, Ukraine
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HYMOFF from Poland #general

Jenni Hymoff Koeppel
 

Hello again,

I got the following information >from the Waltham Archives regarding my ggf,
Israel HYMOFF

Set 6 1 document 3 pages – Israel Hymoff
Petition for Naturalization
Born Lublin Russian Poland Sept 11 1871
Arrived NY,NY June 26 1889

They do not have the name of the ship or any further information. I know
that he married Adeline Pauline KADETSKY widow WATERS around 1890, they had
5 surviving children (they and their own children all accounted for but the
names and birth years don't match with the children named in the 1900 census
so there must have been a few that did not survive). . In the 1910 census
an Israel Hymuth is registered in Rutland State Hospital and as coming >from
Germany - we are fairly sure it is the same person. Although the family had
not moved, they are not listed in the 1910 census. Adeline died in 1918 in
the flu epidemic. In 1920 Israel is listed in the census as living with his
daughter and son in law Max, as a matter of a fact, all Israel's children
were living with poor Max- he married an entire family, not just a wife!

1. Any suggestions on how to find out the ship he arrived in NY on to see
the manifests and maybe find out where he was really >from and
2. How could I get records >from the hospital, that no longer exists
according to Google info.
3. Any recommendations on what our next step should be?

Thanks in advance for all your help,

cheers, Jenni Hymoff
HYMOFF and KADETSKY, Poland
KRAVETSKY and REDLER, Ukraine
Re: Brooklyn history #general

Steve Nathan <Steve@...>
 

If you can (or get someone to go for you) you can check with the City
Register for Kings County and find out who owned the property at the
time. A title abstract company will do it for a fee.
BTW, current Hagstrom map shows only Christopher *Ave.* in Brooklyn. There
is a Christopher *St.* in Manhattan, New York (CITY) County.
Good Luck,
Steve

How can I find out who lived at 188 Christoper Street in Brooklyn >from 1889
to 1905? Thanks for suggestions.
Marilyn Feingold USA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Brooklyn history #general

Steve Nathan <Steve@...>
 

If you can (or get someone to go for you) you can check with the City
Register for Kings County and find out who owned the property at the
time. A title abstract company will do it for a fee.
BTW, current Hagstrom map shows only Christopher *Ave.* in Brooklyn. There
is a Christopher *St.* in Manhattan, New York (CITY) County.
Good Luck,
Steve

How can I find out who lived at 188 Christoper Street in Brooklyn >from 1889
to 1905? Thanks for suggestions.
Marilyn Feingold USA
SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

My great grandfather Franz GINSBERG was a Member of
Parliament (MLA) for King Williams Town on and off
from 1908 until about 1927. I wish to discover more
about the kinds of legislation with which he was
involved.

In the UK all proceedings (debates etc) that occur in
the Houses of
Parliament are recorded word for word in a series of
volumes known as "Hansard".

Does such a publication exist for the South African
Parliament? If yes, then what is it called?

The period that interests me is 1908-1927, and the
Parliament(s) that
interest me are those that governed the Cape
Colony/Province including the Provincial Council,
which he joined as a member in 1910.

Thanks,
Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

My great grandfather Franz GINSBERG was a Member of
Parliament (MLA) for King Williams Town on and off
from 1908 until about 1927. I wish to discover more
about the kinds of legislation with which he was
involved.

In the UK all proceedings (debates etc) that occur in
the Houses of
Parliament are recorded word for word in a series of
volumes known as "Hansard".

Does such a publication exist for the South African
Parliament? If yes, then what is it called?

The period that interests me is 1908-1927, and the
Parliament(s) that
interest me are those that governed the Cape
Colony/Province including the Provincial Council,
which he joined as a member in 1910.

Thanks,
Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
Farberware #general

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I'd like to find the FARBER family, of Farberware Pots/Pans company, from
the Tomaszow Lubelski, Tarnawatka, Tyszowce area of Lublin Poland.

Thanks,

Tom Erribe
CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Farberware #general

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I'd like to find the FARBER family, of Farberware Pots/Pans company, from
the Tomaszow Lubelski, Tarnawatka, Tyszowce area of Lublin Poland.

Thanks,

Tom Erribe
CA
Donation of Birth Certificates #unitedkingdom

Stephen Mednick <jewishgen@...>
 

Quite often the moderator of this group adds the suggestion about donating
unwanted certificates by clicking on the link
http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/alluk/certificates.asp

However, in the case of BIrth Certificates, the link seems to not allow adding
Birth Certificates with a year later than 1905. I have a number of unwanted
Birth Certificates >from the Sunderland Area dated after 1905 but before 1925.
Can somebody please advise as to what I can do with this.

Thanks.

Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


MODERATOR NOTE: We apply the 100 year rule for birth certificates and it is for
this reason that you will find no year later than 1905 in the drop down box
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Donation of Birth Certificates #unitedkingdom

Stephen Mednick <jewishgen@...>
 

Quite often the moderator of this group adds the suggestion about donating
unwanted certificates by clicking on the link
http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/alluk/certificates.asp

However, in the case of BIrth Certificates, the link seems to not allow adding
Birth Certificates with a year later than 1905. I have a number of unwanted
Birth Certificates >from the Sunderland Area dated after 1905 but before 1925.
Can somebody please advise as to what I can do with this.

Thanks.

Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


MODERATOR NOTE: We apply the 100 year rule for birth certificates and it is for
this reason that you will find no year later than 1905 in the drop down box
Lodz Book of Residents #lodz #poland

Orit Lavi <orit@...>
 

Dear Friends,

Following Fay Bussgang' s recent posting, could someone please explain the
efficient way to obtain records >from Lodz Books of Residents.
I need to search these books for many of my branches, starting at early 19th
century till 1931.

Can it be done without hiring a professional researcher?

If I visit the archive in person - will it be more efficient rather than
writing a letter to the archive?
Will I be able to search the books myself?

I would appreciate any other advice.

Thanks a lot

Orit Lavi
Tsukey-Yam, Israel
Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Lodz Book of Residents #lodz #poland

Orit Lavi <orit@...>
 

Dear Friends,

Following Fay Bussgang' s recent posting, could someone please explain the
efficient way to obtain records >from Lodz Books of Residents.
I need to search these books for many of my branches, starting at early 19th
century till 1931.

Can it be done without hiring a professional researcher?

If I visit the archive in person - will it be more efficient rather than
writing a letter to the archive?
Will I be able to search the books myself?

I would appreciate any other advice.

Thanks a lot

Orit Lavi
Tsukey-Yam, Israel
Re: Schleime KIRSHENBAUM #poland #lodz

Nicki Chodnoff - On The Go Publishing <nicki@...>
 

Hello Fay Bussgang

I noticed your reply to Tzilla Kratter regarding her search for Schleime
KIRSHENBAUM.

Are the Personnenblatt-Karty Meldunkowe >from 1918-1920 and the Ksiegi
Ludnosci (until 1931) which list all legal residents of Lodz you mentioned
available online?

When contacting the Lodz State Archives - can you email them or correspond
in English?

If the records are not online, can they just copy the pages for the
requested family name or does someone actually research this?

Lastly, are the Lodz State Archives for the city of Lodz proper or the whole
province?

Thank you for your anticipated answers.

Nicki Chodnoff
Columbus Ohio

----- Original Message -----
<< Subject: Schleime KIRSHENBAUM >>

Dear Tzilla Kratter,

Lodz Archives have very good records called Ksiegi Ludnosci (until 1931)
which list all legal residents of Lodz. A whole family is listed on one
page with
birth date, place, names of parents, occupation, where they last lived,
etc.

In addition, they have Personnenblatt-Karty Meldunkowe >from 1918-1920 with
much the same information. You could write the Lodz State Archives and ask
someone to do the research.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA
Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: Schleime KIRSHENBAUM #lodz #poland

Nicki Chodnoff - On The Go Publishing <nicki@...>
 

Hello Fay Bussgang

I noticed your reply to Tzilla Kratter regarding her search for Schleime
KIRSHENBAUM.

Are the Personnenblatt-Karty Meldunkowe >from 1918-1920 and the Ksiegi
Ludnosci (until 1931) which list all legal residents of Lodz you mentioned
available online?

When contacting the Lodz State Archives - can you email them or correspond
in English?

If the records are not online, can they just copy the pages for the
requested family name or does someone actually research this?

Lastly, are the Lodz State Archives for the city of Lodz proper or the whole
province?

Thank you for your anticipated answers.

Nicki Chodnoff
Columbus Ohio

----- Original Message -----
<< Subject: Schleime KIRSHENBAUM >>

Dear Tzilla Kratter,

Lodz Archives have very good records called Ksiegi Ludnosci (until 1931)
which list all legal residents of Lodz. A whole family is listed on one
page with
birth date, place, names of parents, occupation, where they last lived,
etc.

In addition, they have Personnenblatt-Karty Meldunkowe >from 1918-1920 with
much the same information. You could write the Lodz State Archives and ask
someone to do the research.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA
373561 - 373580 of 668810