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Re: Philadelphia Public Library resources #general

milt <botwinick@...>
 

I would call the library to be sure it is open sunday. It usually is
closed on sunday when school is out

milt botwinick
philadelphia
botwinick@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Philadelphia Public Library resources #general

milt <botwinick@...>
 

I would call the library to be sure it is open sunday. It usually is
closed on sunday when school is out

milt botwinick
philadelphia
botwinick@aol.com


LitvakSIG VRI Project Records Distribution - Keidan #general

Joel Ratner
 

The LitvakSIG is pleased to announce the distribution of additional vital
records for the town of Keidan. The translations of the birth records for
the years 1907-1910 and 1912-1914 were distributed today, as called for by
the rules established by the SIG.

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LitvakSIG VRI Project Records Distribution - Keidan #general

Joel Ratner
 

The LitvakSIG is pleased to announce the distribution of additional vital
records for the town of Keidan. The translations of the birth records for
the years 1907-1910 and 1912-1914 were distributed today, as called for by
the rules established by the SIG.

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


Rio de Janerio newspapers #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have the ability to look for some articles for me >from the
Rio de Janerio newspapers >from 1966? If someone could check the
newspapers and send me copies of a few articles I would appreciate it.
I know the dates and subject, so if you have the ability to do this
please email me rpivately and we can discuss the details.

Thanks.

Allan Jordan


Italy phone call #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Is there anyone in Italiy or that speaks Italian that could help me
with a phone call? I have a name and phone number in the Trieste area
(Bandiera) I believe and I am trying to get either a fax or email
address to contact the person. I don't speak Italian so I am fearful
that making a phone call >from the United Satets will be a waste of time
and money. If there is one someone who could help me out please
contact me privately.

Thank you.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rio de Janerio newspapers #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have the ability to look for some articles for me >from the
Rio de Janerio newspapers >from 1966? If someone could check the
newspapers and send me copies of a few articles I would appreciate it.
I know the dates and subject, so if you have the ability to do this
please email me rpivately and we can discuss the details.

Thanks.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Italy phone call #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Is there anyone in Italiy or that speaks Italian that could help me
with a phone call? I have a name and phone number in the Trieste area
(Bandiera) I believe and I am trying to get either a fax or email
address to contact the person. I don't speak Italian so I am fearful
that making a phone call >from the United Satets will be a waste of time
and money. If there is one someone who could help me out please
contact me privately.

Thank you.

Allan Jordan


Re: ED for NY State 1885 Census #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Marian, New York didn't take a state census in 1885. No censuses were
taken in New York between the 1875 census and the 1892 census.
Censuses for New York County exist for only 1855, 1905, 1915, and 1925.
See
http://www.longislandgenealogy.com/NYStateCensus.html.

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY



Subject: ED for NY State 1885 Census
From: Bobmar37@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:20:39 EDT
X-Message-Number: 13

I have a Manhattan address and would like to see who lived there in 1885. Is
there an index for the 1885 NYS census which will tell me the ED for that
address?

Marian Price
Rensselaer, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ED for NY State 1885 Census #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Marian, New York didn't take a state census in 1885. No censuses were
taken in New York between the 1875 census and the 1892 census.
Censuses for New York County exist for only 1855, 1905, 1915, and 1925.
See
http://www.longislandgenealogy.com/NYStateCensus.html.

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY



Subject: ED for NY State 1885 Census
From: Bobmar37@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:20:39 EDT
X-Message-Number: 13

I have a Manhattan address and would like to see who lived there in 1885. Is
there an index for the 1885 NYS census which will tell me the ED for that
address?

Marian Price
Rensselaer, NY


broken branches #general

Eliana Aizim
 

In my grandfather´s tombstone there´s a drawing of two branches
with leaves, that are crossing each other in the bottom. Between
the two branches there is a Star of David. My grandfather died in
Brazil, in 1914, when he was 49 years, working as a peddler.
There are two different versions to explain the reason of his death,
both has to do with gun. In this case, the drawing of the branches
is consistent with a "truncated life".

Eliana Aizim
from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
http://www.geocities.com/elianaaizim/photo2.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen broken branches #general

Eliana Aizim
 

In my grandfather´s tombstone there´s a drawing of two branches
with leaves, that are crossing each other in the bottom. Between
the two branches there is a Star of David. My grandfather died in
Brazil, in 1914, when he was 49 years, working as a peddler.
There are two different versions to explain the reason of his death,
both has to do with gun. In this case, the drawing of the branches
is consistent with a "truncated life".

Eliana Aizim
from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
http://www.geocities.com/elianaaizim/photo2.html


Re: Jurjew #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

My grandmother's family was also Lithuanian - specifically they said,
Augustow. Of course, there was no Lithuania for centuries before the 20th
century; Lithuanian was the term for the generally self-described
'intellectual', Northern, largely non-Chassidic Jews of
Russia/Poland/Prussia/whatever. Augustow was actually in Suwalki gubernia
of the Kingdom of Poland. The area was not ever Lithuania when this family
was there. And actually, they were >from Augustow District and not >from the
city itself.

The point of this is that we have to 'interpret' our family stories to
figure out how they meant the information. 'Lithuanian', for example,
rarely meant a nation, but rather a philosophy or subdivision of Eastern
European Ashkenazi Judaism. If you were not Lithuanian, you were probably a
Galicianer, and if you were not a Galicianer, you were probably Lithuanian -
regardless of where you lived in Eastern Europe.

Similarly, 'Augustow' is interpreted as the Augustow area. Jurjew, on the
other hand, was never (as far as I know) a district city or even a 'big
city', so it is more likely that they lived there or in an even smaller town
nearby.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ

With apologies to all Lithuanians and Galicianers who would describe these
two groups differently.

"That is strange because my family comes >from Lithuania."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jurjew #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

My grandmother's family was also Lithuanian - specifically they said,
Augustow. Of course, there was no Lithuania for centuries before the 20th
century; Lithuanian was the term for the generally self-described
'intellectual', Northern, largely non-Chassidic Jews of
Russia/Poland/Prussia/whatever. Augustow was actually in Suwalki gubernia
of the Kingdom of Poland. The area was not ever Lithuania when this family
was there. And actually, they were >from Augustow District and not >from the
city itself.

The point of this is that we have to 'interpret' our family stories to
figure out how they meant the information. 'Lithuanian', for example,
rarely meant a nation, but rather a philosophy or subdivision of Eastern
European Ashkenazi Judaism. If you were not Lithuanian, you were probably a
Galicianer, and if you were not a Galicianer, you were probably Lithuanian -
regardless of where you lived in Eastern Europe.

Similarly, 'Augustow' is interpreted as the Augustow area. Jurjew, on the
other hand, was never (as far as I know) a district city or even a 'big
city', so it is more likely that they lived there or in an even smaller town
nearby.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ

With apologies to all Lithuanians and Galicianers who would describe these
two groups differently.

"That is strange because my family comes >from Lithuania."


Re: 1902 New York City directory Make sense of this please #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 03:51:36 UTC, ilyaz@earthlink.net (ilyaz) opined:

May someone please make sense of an entry in the 1902 New York City
directory?
The exact quote is as this:
< Abramson Max physician 54 Eldridge, extracts 76 Forsyth & manager 118
Canal >
Looks to me there are 3 work places, but no home address. What these work
places could be? Why there is no home address? What extracts means in this
context? What could he manage at 118 Canal?
Any clarification and explanation will be appreciated.
To me it looks like he lives at 54 Eldridge. Busy man that he is, he may or
may not receive many patients there. "Extracts" may be >from plants of
pharmaceutical or culinary uses. What he could possibly be doing on Canal
Street is hard to guess >from this distance. Doesn't the City Directory have
a section in which it lists by address? If not, it must have a business
directory that you could browse; NY wasn't so off-puttingly big that long
ago.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1902 New York City directory Make sense of this please #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 03:51:36 UTC, ilyaz@earthlink.net (ilyaz) opined:

May someone please make sense of an entry in the 1902 New York City
directory?
The exact quote is as this:
< Abramson Max physician 54 Eldridge, extracts 76 Forsyth & manager 118
Canal >
Looks to me there are 3 work places, but no home address. What these work
places could be? Why there is no home address? What extracts means in this
context? What could he manage at 118 Canal?
Any clarification and explanation will be appreciated.
To me it looks like he lives at 54 Eldridge. Busy man that he is, he may or
may not receive many patients there. "Extracts" may be >from plants of
pharmaceutical or culinary uses. What he could possibly be doing on Canal
Street is hard to guess >from this distance. Doesn't the City Directory have
a section in which it lists by address? If not, it must have a business
directory that you could browse; NY wasn't so off-puttingly big that long
ago.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Rabbi Yitzhok ELchonon SPEKTOR #general

Jeff Miller
 

I am researching family of Rabbi Yitzhak Elchonan SPEKTOR and his sons who
took the name RABINOVICH. In particular, I am researching the connection to
any of the surnames BEKER, ABRAMOVICH, LAN, WEISSMAN, BLANKFORT, GOLBURT,
ZELWER (SILBER), MARGOLIS, KAGAN.

These are my specific questions:
1 Elchonan Spektor b: Abt. 1761
.. +Rachel Father: Yitzhak
Does anyone know what Rachel's maiden name was?

...... 2 Israel Isser Spektor b: Abt. 1789
.......... +Rachel b: Abt. 1789 Father: Yitzhak
Does anyone know what this second Rachel's maiden name was?

............... 3 Yitzhak Elchonan Spektor b: 1817 in Rossi (Rus), Grodno
Gub., Russia d: 1896 in Kovno, Poland
................... +Sarah Reisel Yerszki d: 1882 Father: Eliazer Yerszki
Mother: Bluma
Does anyone know what Bluma's maiden name was?

5 Yisroel Isser Spektor Rabinowicz d: 1933 in Kovno, Poland
.................................... +Fruma Frankel d: 1944 in Stutthof
Concentration Camp, Gdansk, Danzig Father: Shimon Price Mother: Esther
Does anyone know what Esther's maiden name was?

......... 7 Shmuel Elchonan b: 12
Feb 1930 in Kovno, Poland
... +Zipporah Gromet b:
Abt. 1931 in Sandovah Wizna, Poland 19 Feb 1957 Father: Naftali Gromet
Mother: Rachel
Does anyone know what this third Rachel's maiden name was?

.... 8 Benjamin
Elchonan b: 12 May 1958
..... 8 Ofra
Elechonan b: 25 Jan 1961 in Rehovat, Israel
........ 6 Shlomo Rabinowicz b: 1901 d:
1992 in Israel
...... 6 Miriam (Mira) b: 1904 d: 1943
in Stutthof Concentration Camp, Gdansk, Danzig
..... 7 Israel Isser b: 1933
d: 1943 in Kovno
Does anyone know the names of spouses of the above, including their full
names with maiden names, if applicable?

............... 3 Moshe Joseph Spektor
....................... 4 Aryeh Spektor
....................... 4 Meir Spektor
........................... +Esther
Does anyone know what this second Esther's maiden name was,
or any spouse of the three males listed above her name?

................................ 5 Jacob Spektor
................................ 5 Emanuel Spektor
................................ 5 Rachel Spektor
....................... 4 Shifra Spektor
....................... 4 Esther Spektor
............... 3 Abraham Aaron Spektor
Does anyone know the names of spouses of the above, including
their full names with maiden names, if applicable?


............... 3 Jacob David Spektor b: 1899 d: Abt. 1961 in Haifa,
Israel
................... +Sheindel Klein b: 1858 Father: Moshe Mendel Klein
....................... 4 Abraham Aaron Spektor
........................... +Sora Father: Lejb
Does anyone know what Sora's maiden name was, i.e.,
or what Lejb's surname was?


................................ 5 Jacob David Spektor b: 1904
Does anyone know the names of spouse of the above, including maiden name?

Thank you for any assistance that you can provide.
Please respond privately.

Jeff Miller
SingingTM@comcast.net
Maryland


Re: more on broken monuments #general

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Hi Anita,

You wrote:
If Jews ever thought that this was a "Christian symbol" that might explain
why in some London Jewish cemeteries, instead of a broken branch, one sees
a broken column (as in an architectural style column).
------>
I do not think that broken column is a Christian symbol. At least during the
18th-19th century, Italian Jews used broken marble columns as tombstone, on
which was engraved the Hebrew inscriptions. This was a cheap material. It is
very possible that broken columns found in London and later on in US has
been influenced by Italy.
The most usual symbol found on graves to express a premature death is a cut
tree trunk.
A very good example is the monument erected in memory of President Kennedy
in the Jerusalem Hills- a cut tree trunk!
But of course, one can find cut columns. As far as I know, cut branches is a
rare ornament on a tombstone and I am not speaking of two branches framing a
picture or initials or anything else.

By the way, someone earlier spoke of the use of branches put on a grave
instead of stones. A guess: may be this custom is based on the fact that in
certain rainy/green countries, it is easier to find a branch than a stone.

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem
Visit: www.isragen.org.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi Yitzhok ELchonon SPEKTOR #general

Jeff Miller
 

I am researching family of Rabbi Yitzhak Elchonan SPEKTOR and his sons who
took the name RABINOVICH. In particular, I am researching the connection to
any of the surnames BEKER, ABRAMOVICH, LAN, WEISSMAN, BLANKFORT, GOLBURT,
ZELWER (SILBER), MARGOLIS, KAGAN.

These are my specific questions:
1 Elchonan Spektor b: Abt. 1761
.. +Rachel Father: Yitzhak
Does anyone know what Rachel's maiden name was?

...... 2 Israel Isser Spektor b: Abt. 1789
.......... +Rachel b: Abt. 1789 Father: Yitzhak
Does anyone know what this second Rachel's maiden name was?

............... 3 Yitzhak Elchonan Spektor b: 1817 in Rossi (Rus), Grodno
Gub., Russia d: 1896 in Kovno, Poland
................... +Sarah Reisel Yerszki d: 1882 Father: Eliazer Yerszki
Mother: Bluma
Does anyone know what Bluma's maiden name was?

5 Yisroel Isser Spektor Rabinowicz d: 1933 in Kovno, Poland
.................................... +Fruma Frankel d: 1944 in Stutthof
Concentration Camp, Gdansk, Danzig Father: Shimon Price Mother: Esther
Does anyone know what Esther's maiden name was?

......... 7 Shmuel Elchonan b: 12
Feb 1930 in Kovno, Poland
... +Zipporah Gromet b:
Abt. 1931 in Sandovah Wizna, Poland 19 Feb 1957 Father: Naftali Gromet
Mother: Rachel
Does anyone know what this third Rachel's maiden name was?

.... 8 Benjamin
Elchonan b: 12 May 1958
..... 8 Ofra
Elechonan b: 25 Jan 1961 in Rehovat, Israel
........ 6 Shlomo Rabinowicz b: 1901 d:
1992 in Israel
...... 6 Miriam (Mira) b: 1904 d: 1943
in Stutthof Concentration Camp, Gdansk, Danzig
..... 7 Israel Isser b: 1933
d: 1943 in Kovno
Does anyone know the names of spouses of the above, including their full
names with maiden names, if applicable?

............... 3 Moshe Joseph Spektor
....................... 4 Aryeh Spektor
....................... 4 Meir Spektor
........................... +Esther
Does anyone know what this second Esther's maiden name was,
or any spouse of the three males listed above her name?

................................ 5 Jacob Spektor
................................ 5 Emanuel Spektor
................................ 5 Rachel Spektor
....................... 4 Shifra Spektor
....................... 4 Esther Spektor
............... 3 Abraham Aaron Spektor
Does anyone know the names of spouses of the above, including
their full names with maiden names, if applicable?


............... 3 Jacob David Spektor b: 1899 d: Abt. 1961 in Haifa,
Israel
................... +Sheindel Klein b: 1858 Father: Moshe Mendel Klein
....................... 4 Abraham Aaron Spektor
........................... +Sora Father: Lejb
Does anyone know what Sora's maiden name was, i.e.,
or what Lejb's surname was?


................................ 5 Jacob David Spektor b: 1904
Does anyone know the names of spouse of the above, including maiden name?

Thank you for any assistance that you can provide.
Please respond privately.

Jeff Miller
SingingTM@comcast.net
Maryland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: more on broken monuments #general

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Hi Anita,

You wrote:
If Jews ever thought that this was a "Christian symbol" that might explain
why in some London Jewish cemeteries, instead of a broken branch, one sees
a broken column (as in an architectural style column).
------>
I do not think that broken column is a Christian symbol. At least during the
18th-19th century, Italian Jews used broken marble columns as tombstone, on
which was engraved the Hebrew inscriptions. This was a cheap material. It is
very possible that broken columns found in London and later on in US has
been influenced by Italy.
The most usual symbol found on graves to express a premature death is a cut
tree trunk.
A very good example is the monument erected in memory of President Kennedy
in the Jerusalem Hills- a cut tree trunk!
But of course, one can find cut columns. As far as I know, cut branches is a
rare ornament on a tombstone and I am not speaking of two branches framing a
picture or initials or anything else.

By the way, someone earlier spoke of the use of branches put on a grave
instead of stones. A guess: may be this custom is based on the fact that in
certain rainy/green countries, it is easier to find a branch than a stone.

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem
Visit: www.isragen.org.il