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Re: British-Jewish genealogy #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Experts saying something is a hoax is not always good enough. A scientist saying
something can't be has a job secured for him. The one who says something can be
has to struggle for sure. The coin was in the same basic area as the stone saying
"for the land of Judah." http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html
Perfect nationalism expressed for the Bar Kochva period. That stone's words and
letters were unknown until Cyrus Gordon identified the letters as Hebrew and said
what it meant. He did this by simply turning the stone right side up. A forger
would have let everyone know which side was up. He also identified it as being
from approximately the first or second century. This fits in with the Bar Kochva
coins and the Roman coins and bust also in time measurements made. It seems that
there probably were far sailing in the Roman Empire at least. The Lembas of South
Africa have been identified as being descendents of Jews exactly as they claimed.
Maybe these Jews were also >from the Roman Empire. Could all this be a coincidence
and the Bar Kochva coins just happen to fit in with the nearness to the stone and
the time frame of the Roman artifacts and the amazing proof for the Lermbas who
live on the bottom of Africa yet? I don't think it could be likely. The Bar Kochva
coin looks like it was stamped on another coin exactly what one would expect >from
the Bar Kochva rebellion. It is easy to imagine less exactitude if you have to put
a coin on old coinage. It is interesting that in the article speculation about
how these coins landing in America as forgeries are so easily made despite the
fact that it is supposedly a forgery of tourist trade people in the Holy Land.
Meanwhile in the article on the Roman coins it says with so many coins some say
it has to be true. Also a beard on the Roman bust should be brought up in the
evidence as American Indians do not have beards.

Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

< yisraelasper@comcast.net > wrote:

Jews did "arrive" in the Americas at least in the days of Bar Kochva.
There are
Bar Kochva coins in the Americas and even a stone saying for the land of
Judah.
http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/barkokhb.htm says that these coins
were identified as modern replicas by a coin expert at the Israel Museum in
Jerusalem.

Similarly Romans "arrived" in the Americas too a Roman bust was discovered
in Mexico.
See http://andrewcollins.com/page/articles/romanbust.htm

--
Nick Landau
London, UK


Re: Jews In England #general

Yisrael Asper
 

I believe they would have been listed as English. Paul Revere they say did not
shout "the British are coming" as he would not have been understood as the
colonists called themselves British this despite being of many ethnic groups.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

Tell me, would the Jews in England, whether they had
been their for a couple of centuries or not.....If
they came to America, say in 1700's, would they have
been considered English or Jewish, as far as records
were concerned or as far as their descendents were
concerned?

Thanks,
Glenda Hitchcock


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: British-Jewish genealogy #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Experts saying something is a hoax is not always good enough. A scientist saying
something can't be has a job secured for him. The one who says something can be
has to struggle for sure. The coin was in the same basic area as the stone saying
"for the land of Judah." http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html
Perfect nationalism expressed for the Bar Kochva period. That stone's words and
letters were unknown until Cyrus Gordon identified the letters as Hebrew and said
what it meant. He did this by simply turning the stone right side up. A forger
would have let everyone know which side was up. He also identified it as being
from approximately the first or second century. This fits in with the Bar Kochva
coins and the Roman coins and bust also in time measurements made. It seems that
there probably were far sailing in the Roman Empire at least. The Lembas of South
Africa have been identified as being descendents of Jews exactly as they claimed.
Maybe these Jews were also >from the Roman Empire. Could all this be a coincidence
and the Bar Kochva coins just happen to fit in with the nearness to the stone and
the time frame of the Roman artifacts and the amazing proof for the Lermbas who
live on the bottom of Africa yet? I don't think it could be likely. The Bar Kochva
coin looks like it was stamped on another coin exactly what one would expect >from
the Bar Kochva rebellion. It is easy to imagine less exactitude if you have to put
a coin on old coinage. It is interesting that in the article speculation about
how these coins landing in America as forgeries are so easily made despite the
fact that it is supposedly a forgery of tourist trade people in the Holy Land.
Meanwhile in the article on the Roman coins it says with so many coins some say
it has to be true. Also a beard on the Roman bust should be brought up in the
evidence as American Indians do not have beards.

Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

< yisraelasper@comcast.net > wrote:

Jews did "arrive" in the Americas at least in the days of Bar Kochva.
There are
Bar Kochva coins in the Americas and even a stone saying for the land of
Judah.
http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/barkokhb.htm says that these coins
were identified as modern replicas by a coin expert at the Israel Museum in
Jerusalem.

Similarly Romans "arrived" in the Americas too a Roman bust was discovered
in Mexico.
See http://andrewcollins.com/page/articles/romanbust.htm

--
Nick Landau
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews In England #general

Yisrael Asper
 

I believe they would have been listed as English. Paul Revere they say did not
shout "the British are coming" as he would not have been understood as the
colonists called themselves British this despite being of many ethnic groups.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

Tell me, would the Jews in England, whether they had
been their for a couple of centuries or not.....If
they came to America, say in 1700's, would they have
been considered English or Jewish, as far as records
were concerned or as far as their descendents were
concerned?

Thanks,
Glenda Hitchcock


Re: First Jews in England #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Evertjan." < exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net > wrote:

Schelly Talalay Dardashti wrote on 19 jul 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

"The Lost Jews of Cornwall" to his presentation
on the early Jews of England.
I only had time to take a cursory glance, but found it
fascinating. Sorry I cannot provide the author's name.
Edited by Godfrey Simmons, Keith Pearce and Helen Fry

see for the content:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/community/exe/newsletter/jewscornwall.htm

And 66 other links:
< http://www.google.com/search?q=The.Lost.Jews.of.Cornwall >
The title is a crowdpuller but it refers to the period 1720-1913. Clearly
these are not known to the vast majority of metropolitan UK Jews, but there
were synagogues in many of the small towns all over England eg Exeter,
Plymouth, and Bristol.

There is, I presume, the story of the tinkers who went round to the (I
presume) Jews Houses and they would mark their pots in such a way that they
would know whether a non-Jew had used them and therefore made them treif (ie
not kosher).

The late Rabbi Bernard Susser did a lot of work on the history of the Jews
of the South-West.

There is also a fairly recent book about the Jews of Bristol, in which my
father briefly features in a post-War anti-fascist committee.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Jews in England #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Evertjan." < exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net > wrote:

Schelly Talalay Dardashti wrote on 19 jul 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

"The Lost Jews of Cornwall" to his presentation
on the early Jews of England.
I only had time to take a cursory glance, but found it
fascinating. Sorry I cannot provide the author's name.
Edited by Godfrey Simmons, Keith Pearce and Helen Fry

see for the content:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/community/exe/newsletter/jewscornwall.htm

And 66 other links:
< http://www.google.com/search?q=The.Lost.Jews.of.Cornwall >
The title is a crowdpuller but it refers to the period 1720-1913. Clearly
these are not known to the vast majority of metropolitan UK Jews, but there
were synagogues in many of the small towns all over England eg Exeter,
Plymouth, and Bristol.

There is, I presume, the story of the tinkers who went round to the (I
presume) Jews Houses and they would mark their pots in such a way that they
would know whether a non-Jew had used them and therefore made them treif (ie
not kosher).

The late Rabbi Bernard Susser did a lot of work on the history of the Jews
of the South-West.

There is also a fairly recent book about the Jews of Bristol, in which my
father briefly features in a post-War anti-fascist committee.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Ukraine SIG - Major Changes #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Ukraine SIG Members,

This is to all of you, although it is intended as an update for those who
were unable to attend the 2005 Las Vegas Conference this month.

In July 2000 at the Salt Lake City Conference, 4 of us met to discuss
forming a SIG that would be dedicated to Ukrainian research. At that time, I
accepted the coordinatorship of the group & Mel Fishman agreed to set up our
webpage. It has been 5 years since our inception, & due to reasons of
health, I am unable to continue as your coordinator. The time with you has
been wonderful - although I couldn't solve every problem that came my way,
you made it very pleasant & interesting, & I feel I know you as old friends!
Two new coordinators will be handling our SIG now; Freya Blitstein Maslov
(who has been an active & able moderator >from the beginning), & Deborah
Glassman, a person of many ideas & clear vision. I will remain on in an
advisory capacity (the Ukraine SIG has become an addiction for me)! Freya &
Deborah will fill you in on anything else.

We began with 50 members. Today we are 1671 strong!! In these 5 years, we
have put the names of 32,000 eligible men >from the Kiev Duma Voters' List
(1906-07) online; established an excellent website (many thanks to Mel who
first developed it, & to Mindie Kaplan who is doing a diligent & creative
job up keeping it going), & have completed several other projects which have
yet to be uploaded - a list of donors >from the index of Kagan's books; the
translation of Russian Regimental Histories; & the GDP (Geographical
Dictionary Project) for towns in the Ukraine.
We have CDs of the Canadian LiRaMa (Russian Consular Records) which contain
letters >from new immigrants needing legal assistance or help with their
papers. As soon as we can find a volunteer to lead the translation of this
project, we can get it underway. In addition, we are still hopeful that some
of you can help us access interesting information >from the Russian
Vedemostii which is carried by many libraries!! The Ekaterinoslav Yiskor
book is currently being translated - the index is complete.

You have often asked "Why no All Ukraine Database? Mazeltov folks. In Las
Vegas, Warren Blatt announced it was up officially on the JewishGen website
(under databases). Everything to do with the Ukraine has been combined to
facilitate your searches. It contains:
ALL UKRAINE:
JewishGen Family Finder
Over 50,000 entries by Jewish genealogists researching families in Ukraine.
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry
Over 25,000 burial records for Ukraine and Ukrainian landsmanshaft
cemeteries worldwide.
Yizkor Book Necrologies
50,000 entries >from lists of Holocaust martyrs in Yizkor Books for towns in
Ukraine.
JewishGen Holocaust Database
Over 40,000 names >from various datasets with information about Holocaust
victims and survivors.
Jewish Religious Personnel in the Russian Empire, 1853-1854
1,100 Jewish religious personnel in Gubernias now in Ukraine.
Vsia Rossiia Business Directories
23,000 Jewish businesses in Ukrainian areas, >from Russian business
directories of 1895, 1899, 1903, amd 1911.
KIEV GUBERNIA:
Kiev Gubernia Duma Voters Lists, 1906-1907 - Over 32,000 Jewish men living
in Kiev gubernia, eligible to vote in the Czarist State Duma elections of
1906-1907.

In addition, there is information for Bessarabia Gubernia:
Duma Voters Lists, Bessarabia, 1906-07
72,000 voters in Akkerman, Bendery, Bieltsy, Khotin, Kishinev, Orgieev and
Soroki districts of Bessarabia, who were eligible to vote in the Russian
Duma elections in 1906 and 1907.
Kishinev Vital Records
Over 50,000 Jewish birth, marriage, divorce and death records for Kishinev,
Bessarabia (now Chisinau, Moldova).

Thank you all for your active participation & thoughts & for making this
position so pleasurable for me.

My warmest regards to all of you,
Florence Elman
Ex-officio U SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine SIG - Major Changes #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Ukraine SIG Members,

This is to all of you, although it is intended as an update for those who
were unable to attend the 2005 Las Vegas Conference this month.

In July 2000 at the Salt Lake City Conference, 4 of us met to discuss
forming a SIG that would be dedicated to Ukrainian research. At that time, I
accepted the coordinatorship of the group & Mel Fishman agreed to set up our
webpage. It has been 5 years since our inception, & due to reasons of
health, I am unable to continue as your coordinator. The time with you has
been wonderful - although I couldn't solve every problem that came my way,
you made it very pleasant & interesting, & I feel I know you as old friends!
Two new coordinators will be handling our SIG now; Freya Blitstein Maslov
(who has been an active & able moderator >from the beginning), & Deborah
Glassman, a person of many ideas & clear vision. I will remain on in an
advisory capacity (the Ukraine SIG has become an addiction for me)! Freya &
Deborah will fill you in on anything else.

We began with 50 members. Today we are 1671 strong!! In these 5 years, we
have put the names of 32,000 eligible men >from the Kiev Duma Voters' List
(1906-07) online; established an excellent website (many thanks to Mel who
first developed it, & to Mindie Kaplan who is doing a diligent & creative
job up keeping it going), & have completed several other projects which have
yet to be uploaded - a list of donors >from the index of Kagan's books; the
translation of Russian Regimental Histories; & the GDP (Geographical
Dictionary Project) for towns in the Ukraine.
We have CDs of the Canadian LiRaMa (Russian Consular Records) which contain
letters >from new immigrants needing legal assistance or help with their
papers. As soon as we can find a volunteer to lead the translation of this
project, we can get it underway. In addition, we are still hopeful that some
of you can help us access interesting information >from the Russian
Vedemostii which is carried by many libraries!! The Ekaterinoslav Yiskor
book is currently being translated - the index is complete.

You have often asked "Why no All Ukraine Database? Mazeltov folks. In Las
Vegas, Warren Blatt announced it was up officially on the JewishGen website
(under databases). Everything to do with the Ukraine has been combined to
facilitate your searches. It contains:
ALL UKRAINE:
JewishGen Family Finder
Over 50,000 entries by Jewish genealogists researching families in Ukraine.
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry
Over 25,000 burial records for Ukraine and Ukrainian landsmanshaft
cemeteries worldwide.
Yizkor Book Necrologies
50,000 entries >from lists of Holocaust martyrs in Yizkor Books for towns in
Ukraine.
JewishGen Holocaust Database
Over 40,000 names >from various datasets with information about Holocaust
victims and survivors.
Jewish Religious Personnel in the Russian Empire, 1853-1854
1,100 Jewish religious personnel in Gubernias now in Ukraine.
Vsia Rossiia Business Directories
23,000 Jewish businesses in Ukrainian areas, >from Russian business
directories of 1895, 1899, 1903, amd 1911.
KIEV GUBERNIA:
Kiev Gubernia Duma Voters Lists, 1906-1907 - Over 32,000 Jewish men living
in Kiev gubernia, eligible to vote in the Czarist State Duma elections of
1906-1907.

In addition, there is information for Bessarabia Gubernia:
Duma Voters Lists, Bessarabia, 1906-07
72,000 voters in Akkerman, Bendery, Bieltsy, Khotin, Kishinev, Orgieev and
Soroki districts of Bessarabia, who were eligible to vote in the Russian
Duma elections in 1906 and 1907.
Kishinev Vital Records
Over 50,000 Jewish birth, marriage, divorce and death records for Kishinev,
Bessarabia (now Chisinau, Moldova).

Thank you all for your active participation & thoughts & for making this
position so pleasurable for me.

My warmest regards to all of you,
Florence Elman
Ex-officio U SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca


Re: Rechitsa Geography Questions #belarus

Vcharny@...
 

Yes, it is correct.

Just to add: registration in most cases happened during revisions or similar
ocasions. What means - not often.

Sagnificans of "NN meshchanin" or something like this in documents for
official use was not only to show where the person was born, but specify his/her
rights that depended in Russia on social status, gender, age, religious
affiliation, occupation, registered residence, relation to military service, etc.

Jews >from different Gubernia with all other social characteristic the same
could have different rights.

Vitaly Charny
Birmingham, AL

In a message dated 7/19/2005 1:58:54 AM Central Standard Time,
belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:
Subject: Re: Rechitsa Geography Questions
From: Gladys Friedman Paulin <gp21603@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:35:58 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Rechitsa was an uezd (district) in Minsk guberniya (province).

To my knowledge, Nezhin was not in Rechitsa uezd. However, Jews were
registered
in the town they came >from and may have had permission to live elsewhere
without
changing their official registration.

Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin, CGRS
Winter Springs, FL

Editor "OnBoard, Newsletter of the Board for Certification of Genealogists"


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Rechitsa Geography Questions #belarus

Vcharny@...
 

Yes, it is correct.

Just to add: registration in most cases happened during revisions or similar
ocasions. What means - not often.

Sagnificans of "NN meshchanin" or something like this in documents for
official use was not only to show where the person was born, but specify his/her
rights that depended in Russia on social status, gender, age, religious
affiliation, occupation, registered residence, relation to military service, etc.

Jews >from different Gubernia with all other social characteristic the same
could have different rights.

Vitaly Charny
Birmingham, AL

In a message dated 7/19/2005 1:58:54 AM Central Standard Time,
belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:
Subject: Re: Rechitsa Geography Questions
From: Gladys Friedman Paulin <gp21603@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:35:58 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Rechitsa was an uezd (district) in Minsk guberniya (province).

To my knowledge, Nezhin was not in Rechitsa uezd. However, Jews were
registered
in the town they came >from and may have had permission to live elsewhere
without
changing their official registration.

Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin, CGRS
Winter Springs, FL

Editor "OnBoard, Newsletter of the Board for Certification of Genealogists"


Family ABRAHAM from Essen #germany

Docted22@...
 

I amLooking for descendants of the ABRAHAM family that originated in
Altenkirchen, Westerwald and lived in Essen. Max ABRAHAM and his brother Sally
were the sons of Daniel ABRAHAM 1827-1898 and Henriette nee HIRSCH 1839-1901.

Max ABRAHAM married to Eva nee BAEHR 1876-KZ. They had three daughters who
emigrated to Israel. Hildegard KATZ b. 1906 living in Herzlia, Paula
HARTMANN b.1908 living in Haifa and Ruth LANDSMANN b. 1910 living in Tiberias.

Sally ABRAHAM 1874-1919 married to Maria nee KOENIGSBERGER 1868-KZ. They
had two children who lived in Holland. Kurt ABRAHAM b. 1909 married to Ruth nee
NUSSBAUM. Their sons Fred ABRAHAM and Paul ABRAHAM perhaps still living in
Holland. Erna ABRAHAM also living in Holland.

Ted Tobias, Englewood, NJ <docted22@aol.com>


German SIG #Germany Family ABRAHAM from Essen #germany

Docted22@...
 

I amLooking for descendants of the ABRAHAM family that originated in
Altenkirchen, Westerwald and lived in Essen. Max ABRAHAM and his brother Sally
were the sons of Daniel ABRAHAM 1827-1898 and Henriette nee HIRSCH 1839-1901.

Max ABRAHAM married to Eva nee BAEHR 1876-KZ. They had three daughters who
emigrated to Israel. Hildegard KATZ b. 1906 living in Herzlia, Paula
HARTMANN b.1908 living in Haifa and Ruth LANDSMANN b. 1910 living in Tiberias.

Sally ABRAHAM 1874-1919 married to Maria nee KOENIGSBERGER 1868-KZ. They
had two children who lived in Holland. Kurt ABRAHAM b. 1909 married to Ruth nee
NUSSBAUM. Their sons Fred ABRAHAM and Paul ABRAHAM perhaps still living in
Holland. Erna ABRAHAM also living in Holland.

Ted Tobias, Englewood, NJ <docted22@aol.com>


Re: Researching: Gedeon von HIBLER #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Elisabeth Segal >from Essex, UK asks about the fate of
her great-uncle Gedeon VON HIBLER, who was a holocaust
victim. He had a coffee factory in Innsbruck. Although
Elisabeth found his name on a transport list, she
could find no other information about him or the rest
of the family.

I have not found Gedeon's name on "Letter to the
Stars" or the Yad vashem database but there is an
interesting invoice >from his coffee factory which you
can see on the internet:

http://www.sammlerecke.at/rechnungen/rechnungen.html

It is dated 1880: Gedeon von Hibler, Innsbruck, Feigen
Kaffee Fabrik, ie it was "Ersatz" coffee made of figs.

To read more about the history of this product
introduced ca 1780 as a result of the Napoleonic Wars
see: http://tinyurl.com/eym9e

Gedeon had an asset file which should give more
details. This has an *S* after the name which is
puzzling as it might imply that he was Swiss or had a
Swiss bank account. He did indeed have a dormant Swiss
account: http://tinyurl.com/73hp8

This obviously should be investigated.

There are two other interesting leads to the family:

Lucy VON HIBLER was an assistant of Richard ELLMANN in
Trieste: [James Joyce connection]

http://www.lib.utulsa.edu/Speccoll/ellmar00.htm
http://tinyurl.com/96a6t

Richard ELLMANN (1918-1987), Professor of English
Literature at Northwestern, Oxford and Emory
Universities, was a leading scholar and biographer of
James Joyce, Oscar Wilde, and William Butler Yeats.
His papers have been donated to Tulsa University.

There is also a famous bacteriologist - Emanuel VON
HIBLER. The University of Innsbruck has many
references to his research into anaerobes and other
microbial species conducted at the end of the 19th and
beginning of the 20th centuries. There is a street
named after him in Innsbruck. The University hopefully
has some biographical material:
http://tinyurl.com/8wqqw
He may have been the father of Gedeon.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Researching: Gedeon von HIBLER #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Elisabeth Segal >from Essex, UK asks about the fate of
her great-uncle Gedeon VON HIBLER, who was a holocaust
victim. He had a coffee factory in Innsbruck. Although
Elisabeth found his name on a transport list, she
could find no other information about him or the rest
of the family.

I have not found Gedeon's name on "Letter to the
Stars" or the Yad vashem database but there is an
interesting invoice >from his coffee factory which you
can see on the internet:

http://www.sammlerecke.at/rechnungen/rechnungen.html

It is dated 1880: Gedeon von Hibler, Innsbruck, Feigen
Kaffee Fabrik, ie it was "Ersatz" coffee made of figs.

To read more about the history of this product
introduced ca 1780 as a result of the Napoleonic Wars
see: http://tinyurl.com/eym9e

Gedeon had an asset file which should give more
details. This has an *S* after the name which is
puzzling as it might imply that he was Swiss or had a
Swiss bank account. He did indeed have a dormant Swiss
account: http://tinyurl.com/73hp8

This obviously should be investigated.

There are two other interesting leads to the family:

Lucy VON HIBLER was an assistant of Richard ELLMANN in
Trieste: [James Joyce connection]

http://www.lib.utulsa.edu/Speccoll/ellmar00.htm
http://tinyurl.com/96a6t

Richard ELLMANN (1918-1987), Professor of English
Literature at Northwestern, Oxford and Emory
Universities, was a leading scholar and biographer of
James Joyce, Oscar Wilde, and William Butler Yeats.
His papers have been donated to Tulsa University.

There is also a famous bacteriologist - Emanuel VON
HIBLER. The University of Innsbruck has many
references to his research into anaerobes and other
microbial species conducted at the end of the 19th and
beginning of the 20th centuries. There is a street
named after him in Innsbruck. The University hopefully
has some biographical material:
http://tinyurl.com/8wqqw
He may have been the father of Gedeon.

Celia Male [U.K.]


ABELES/AREND #austria-czech

HOLIJOLI@...
 

In researching the family of David ABELES and Eva KUSSY of Bohemia
(Czechoslovakia) I have come across a number of Abeles family members
who changed their surname to AREND, probably shortly after WWII.
I understand that there are other (unrelated) Abeles families whose
members have made the same change. It was probably done to sound less Jewish.
Does anyone know why the name Arend was selected?

Susan Lubow


Re: What Price Familiant Numbers #austria-czech

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

Dave Bernard wrote:
According to the Familianten act only the first-born
received the Familiant license and was permitted to
marry.

Does anyone know how one went about acquiring a
Familianten Number in the early 1800s -- other than
inheritance?

Local Notice Board? Family connections?
Itinerant pedlar? a matchmaker?
In the first half of the 19th century not only the
first-born sons were permitted to marry, but also
sons which have learned "ein nuetzliches Handwerk"
(an useful trade) - for example glazier. This individuals
have got a marriage license (special permit) without
a Familianten Number.

Hanus Grab


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ABELES/AREND #austria-czech

HOLIJOLI@...
 

In researching the family of David ABELES and Eva KUSSY of Bohemia
(Czechoslovakia) I have come across a number of Abeles family members
who changed their surname to AREND, probably shortly after WWII.
I understand that there are other (unrelated) Abeles families whose
members have made the same change. It was probably done to sound less Jewish.
Does anyone know why the name Arend was selected?

Susan Lubow


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Re: What Price Familiant Numbers #austria-czech

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

Dave Bernard wrote:
According to the Familianten act only the first-born
received the Familiant license and was permitted to
marry.

Does anyone know how one went about acquiring a
Familianten Number in the early 1800s -- other than
inheritance?

Local Notice Board? Family connections?
Itinerant pedlar? a matchmaker?
In the first half of the 19th century not only the
first-born sons were permitted to marry, but also
sons which have learned "ein nuetzliches Handwerk"
(an useful trade) - for example glazier. This individuals
have got a marriage license (special permit) without
a Familianten Number.

Hanus Grab


Re: Joyce and the Jews of Dublin Was: First Jews in England--and Ireland #general

Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

Nick wrote:

I think that Mr Bernet might have noticed that I was responding to Mr
Kravitz's statement that:

"> I made no comment or suggestion about places of worship in
England/Britain pre-1702. In James Joyce's Ulysses he comments that there were
no Jews in Ireland but this was not true.
Does he? Or does one of the characters do so, rather than the author?

--
Dan Goodman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Joyce and the Jews of Dublin Was: First Jews in England--and Ireland #general

Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

Nick wrote:

I think that Mr Bernet might have noticed that I was responding to Mr
Kravitz's statement that:

"> I made no comment or suggestion about places of worship in
England/Britain pre-1702. In James Joyce's Ulysses he comments that there were
no Jews in Ireland but this was not true.
Does he? Or does one of the characters do so, rather than the author?

--
Dan Goodman