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Re: First Name Zlata #general

Scooby Doo
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

Regarding the name Zlata:

My grandmother had a sister with the name Zlata.
Although she was >from Utian(Utena) in Lithuania, a Czech friend of mine told
me that Zlata is derived >from the Czech word for Gold.
I assume the name Golda was used more frequently than Zlata, but has the
same essential meaning.

Joel Levy (London, UK)

Searching
BLOOM,DAGUT,DAGUTSKI,DAVIS,GAVENDA,GAVENDO,GAWENDA,
GOVENDO,GOVENDIR,GALINSKY,GILINSKY,GILINSKI,HARRIS,ISAACS,KING,LYONS,
PHILLIPS,PUPISKI,SAGER,SAGORSKY,SOGERSKY,SHER


63 St. Mark's Place, Lower Eastside, NYC:Need enumeration # for 1920,1930 #general

BABYCAT3 <babycat3@...>
 

Would anyone be able to tell me the enumeration district for 63 St. Mark's
Place, or perhaps it was 63 8th Street (not sure when it changed to St. Mark's
Place) in 1920 and/or 1930 on New York's lower eastside?

Thank you.
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@aol.com
NJ,USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: First Name Zlata #general

Scooby Doo
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

Regarding the name Zlata:

My grandmother had a sister with the name Zlata.
Although she was >from Utian(Utena) in Lithuania, a Czech friend of mine told
me that Zlata is derived >from the Czech word for Gold.
I assume the name Golda was used more frequently than Zlata, but has the
same essential meaning.

Joel Levy (London, UK)

Searching
BLOOM,DAGUT,DAGUTSKI,DAVIS,GAVENDA,GAVENDO,GAWENDA,
GOVENDO,GOVENDIR,GALINSKY,GILINSKY,GILINSKI,HARRIS,ISAACS,KING,LYONS,
PHILLIPS,PUPISKI,SAGER,SAGORSKY,SOGERSKY,SHER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 63 St. Mark's Place, Lower Eastside, NYC:Need enumeration # for 1920,1930 #general

BABYCAT3 <babycat3@...>
 

Would anyone be able to tell me the enumeration district for 63 St. Mark's
Place, or perhaps it was 63 8th Street (not sure when it changed to St. Mark's
Place) in 1920 and/or 1930 on New York's lower eastside?

Thank you.
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@aol.com
NJ,USA


Suwalki-Lomza Interest Group Membership #general

Robert Zavos <rzavos@...>
 

Dear Mike and Hazel,

Hazel is basically correct in that when you join the Suwalk-Lomza Group
there is not a real lot you get besides the journal. However it is an
outstanding Journal - the best in the World for Jewish Genealogy in the
Suwalki-Lomza area. There is a Web Site which you have seen. You can buy
some Group publications at a discount and you moe important you do get a
free Family Finder ad and can buy additional ones for as low as $3. When I
joined two years ago the Family Finder ads started some correspondences
which resulted in finding a number of living relatives in Norway and Sweden!
A number of Suwalki Jews had begun to migrate to that area >from 1850 to
1900 and my Grandfather and two of his sisters went there for a number of
years before immigrating to the USA. The history of this was well documented
in the Journal and I would have never known a thing about it or found these
relatives were it not for the Journal.
The Journal usually includes a number of well written articles and some
pictures on the history, politics, and geography of the area in addition to
record extracts. The membership fees also supports additional research that
LDS, JRI-Poland, or Lithuanian SIG does not do. You can buy just a few
years now and add to this over time or perhaps borrow earlier copies. I
found a number of early years in the library at the IAJGS Conference last
year in Washington DC. There are lots of Jewish genealogy resources in the
Toronto area and someone in the Toronto IAJGS may know about a set near you.

Good luck
Robert Zavos

Researching:
Zawoznik/Savosnick >from Raczki, Suwalki and Trondheim Norway
Sakolsky - Suwalki area and Norway/Sweden
Siff/Zef >from Sejne, Suwalki
Pervin >from Berdichev, Ukraine
Menzer >from Bucecea, Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Suwalki-Lomza Interest Group Membership #general

Robert Zavos <rzavos@...>
 

Dear Mike and Hazel,

Hazel is basically correct in that when you join the Suwalk-Lomza Group
there is not a real lot you get besides the journal. However it is an
outstanding Journal - the best in the World for Jewish Genealogy in the
Suwalki-Lomza area. There is a Web Site which you have seen. You can buy
some Group publications at a discount and you moe important you do get a
free Family Finder ad and can buy additional ones for as low as $3. When I
joined two years ago the Family Finder ads started some correspondences
which resulted in finding a number of living relatives in Norway and Sweden!
A number of Suwalki Jews had begun to migrate to that area >from 1850 to
1900 and my Grandfather and two of his sisters went there for a number of
years before immigrating to the USA. The history of this was well documented
in the Journal and I would have never known a thing about it or found these
relatives were it not for the Journal.
The Journal usually includes a number of well written articles and some
pictures on the history, politics, and geography of the area in addition to
record extracts. The membership fees also supports additional research that
LDS, JRI-Poland, or Lithuanian SIG does not do. You can buy just a few
years now and add to this over time or perhaps borrow earlier copies. I
found a number of early years in the library at the IAJGS Conference last
year in Washington DC. There are lots of Jewish genealogy resources in the
Toronto area and someone in the Toronto IAJGS may know about a set near you.

Good luck
Robert Zavos

Researching:
Zawoznik/Savosnick >from Raczki, Suwalki and Trondheim Norway
Sakolsky - Suwalki area and Norway/Sweden
Siff/Zef >from Sejne, Suwalki
Pervin >from Berdichev, Ukraine
Menzer >from Bucecea, Romania


Descendants of Reb Shmuel of Kremenetz, son of Arieh Leib #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

I have just come across a photocopy of a page someone sent me of
"mazkeret gedolei ostraha" in which on pp. 169-170, the author
writes about a Rav Shmuel son of Arieh Leib, who was (as was his
father) the Rav of Kremenetz. The last year that this Shmuel is
mentioned as a Rav of this city was in 5558 (1758). >from then on,
according to the author he did not find him anywhere. The author
of "Mazkeret" mentions that Shmuel was a son-in-law of Natan Neta
MARGALIOT-SHAPIRA.

Neil Rosenstein does trace a daughter who married the rav (AB"D?)
of Rava Ruska who I believe is not our ancestor. Wunder does not
mention children of the above Shmuel in his "Elef Margaliot".

Here come some complications. According to Wunder, in Elef Margaliot
and "letoldot Hayishuv Hayehudi B'krementz" (Ettinger and Smrock)
p.29 , Efraim FISHEL Parnas of Ludmir, had a son Shmuel who was the
Rav of Kremenetz and he had a son Arieh Leib who followed him in the
Rabbanut of that town. (not as "mazkeret Gedolei" has it). It would
make sense that this Arieh Leib had a son named *Shmuel* who
followed him in the Rabbanut of Kremenetz, but neither Wunder,
Rosenstein or the above older books mention such a son.

The answer does not seem to be in different periods of time, since
Wunder, "Toldot Kremenetz," and "Mazkeret" cite similiar years
5475-5535. "LeToldot HaYishuv HaYehudi B' Kremenetz" does mention
that "after him (Arieh Leib) a certain Arieh Leib son of Shmuel of
Pintzov served as rav in Kremenetz, based on a "haskama" written by
him in 5542 (1782). The way it's worded, it seems that by
coincidence an Arieh Leib ben Shmuel followed a rav by the same
name and father's name???

According to our family tree, coincidentally crosschecked with
another - separate Jerusalem family (PAPIRNE - Karlin Chassidim)
we are descendants of a son-in-law named Yoseph of Arieh Leib ben
Shmuel ben Efraim Fischel. This Yoseph was supposedly a Rav in
Breznits. He had a son Yisrael >from Ostraha (a talmid of Reb
Yehoshua Heshel). The supposed family name of this Yisrael was
ROSENBAUM. This Yisrael's son and grandson were married into the
families of the Rebbes of Lachovitz and Karlin.

My questions to the "Megilah": Does anyone have an answer or theory
as to the seeming discrepancies in the sources regarding the Arieh
Leib's and Shmuels >from Kremenetz?

Does the lineage of Arieh Leib's son-in-law >from Breznitz sound
familiar to anyone?

Could it be that I am working too hard on sources which are not
reliable?

Yoni Ben-Ari

Efrat, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of Reb Shmuel of Kremenetz, son of Arieh Leib #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

I have just come across a photocopy of a page someone sent me of
"mazkeret gedolei ostraha" in which on pp. 169-170, the author
writes about a Rav Shmuel son of Arieh Leib, who was (as was his
father) the Rav of Kremenetz. The last year that this Shmuel is
mentioned as a Rav of this city was in 5558 (1758). >from then on,
according to the author he did not find him anywhere. The author
of "Mazkeret" mentions that Shmuel was a son-in-law of Natan Neta
MARGALIOT-SHAPIRA.

Neil Rosenstein does trace a daughter who married the rav (AB"D?)
of Rava Ruska who I believe is not our ancestor. Wunder does not
mention children of the above Shmuel in his "Elef Margaliot".

Here come some complications. According to Wunder, in Elef Margaliot
and "letoldot Hayishuv Hayehudi B'krementz" (Ettinger and Smrock)
p.29 , Efraim FISHEL Parnas of Ludmir, had a son Shmuel who was the
Rav of Kremenetz and he had a son Arieh Leib who followed him in the
Rabbanut of that town. (not as "mazkeret Gedolei" has it). It would
make sense that this Arieh Leib had a son named *Shmuel* who
followed him in the Rabbanut of Kremenetz, but neither Wunder,
Rosenstein or the above older books mention such a son.

The answer does not seem to be in different periods of time, since
Wunder, "Toldot Kremenetz," and "Mazkeret" cite similiar years
5475-5535. "LeToldot HaYishuv HaYehudi B' Kremenetz" does mention
that "after him (Arieh Leib) a certain Arieh Leib son of Shmuel of
Pintzov served as rav in Kremenetz, based on a "haskama" written by
him in 5542 (1782). The way it's worded, it seems that by
coincidence an Arieh Leib ben Shmuel followed a rav by the same
name and father's name???

According to our family tree, coincidentally crosschecked with
another - separate Jerusalem family (PAPIRNE - Karlin Chassidim)
we are descendants of a son-in-law named Yoseph of Arieh Leib ben
Shmuel ben Efraim Fischel. This Yoseph was supposedly a Rav in
Breznits. He had a son Yisrael >from Ostraha (a talmid of Reb
Yehoshua Heshel). The supposed family name of this Yisrael was
ROSENBAUM. This Yisrael's son and grandson were married into the
families of the Rebbes of Lachovitz and Karlin.

My questions to the "Megilah": Does anyone have an answer or theory
as to the seeming discrepancies in the sources regarding the Arieh
Leib's and Shmuels >from Kremenetz?

Does the lineage of Arieh Leib's son-in-law >from Breznitz sound
familiar to anyone?

Could it be that I am working too hard on sources which are not
reliable?

Yoni Ben-Ari

Efrat, Israel


Re: [belarus]Zabludow Workshop #belarus

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

Below is a link to the Handshouse Studio Zabludow Wooden Synagogue
workshop which I participated in recently. The workshop was a huge
success, and included several fascinating activities. Please take a look
at this webpage for an explanation and many terrific photos.

http://www.handshouse.org/zabludow.html

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com





Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: [belarus]Zabludow Workshop #belarus

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

Below is a link to the Handshouse Studio Zabludow Wooden Synagogue
workshop which I participated in recently. The workshop was a huge
success, and included several fascinating activities. Please take a look
at this webpage for an explanation and many terrific photos.

http://www.handshouse.org/zabludow.html

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com





Re: First Name Zlata #general

hekenvin@...
 

Right. I was going to put that, but decided it was going a big far afield.
To take it a step further, the Hebrew name would be Zehava.

Helene Kenvin


From: "Bill Everett" <bill@chgnet.ru>
Date: 2004/05/09 Sun AM 09:18:41 EDT
To: <hekenvin@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: First Name Zlata

The name is >from the Slavic
word "zloty," a type of coin.
An "zloty" is >from "zoloto" meaning "gold." Thus, the name Zlata is related
to the name Golda in meaning.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Re: First Name Zlata #general

hekenvin@...
 

Right. I was going to put that, but decided it was going a big far afield.
To take it a step further, the Hebrew name would be Zehava.

Helene Kenvin


From: "Bill Everett" <bill@chgnet.ru>
Date: 2004/05/09 Sun AM 09:18:41 EDT
To: <hekenvin@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: First Name Zlata

The name is >from the Slavic
word "zloty," a type of coin.
An "zloty" is >from "zoloto" meaning "gold." Thus, the name Zlata is related
to the name Golda in meaning.


Papenburg Records Can any one help? #general

Timothy Patton <fanoemmitt@...>
 

Thanks much to the person who posted the website that assured me that a
person pick up in Wester-Celle/Celle or possibly Harber/Soltau may have been
transported to Papenburg (Emslandlanger).

According to my Uncle's birth certificate, Heinrich Ernst Kistner (maybe my
grandfather) was in front of Judge Ryonowyn in Papenburg on February 29,
1940.

Does anyone have any knowledge of camp records for this area, Judge
Ryonowyn, or civil or military court records that may exist?

I am trying to find my next step. Are there any researchers in this area?

I found the website for Papenburg (Emslandlanger). Unfortunately, most of it
has no English translation. It appears that none of Emslandlanger's records
are available online though.

If anyone can be of any assistance, I would be greatly appreciative.

Timothy E Patton

Researching Salomon (Ruth, Heinz, Maria) Kistner (Heinrich Ernst)

MODERATOR NOTE: Researcher information should be sent privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Papenburg Records Can any one help? #general

Timothy Patton <fanoemmitt@...>
 

Thanks much to the person who posted the website that assured me that a
person pick up in Wester-Celle/Celle or possibly Harber/Soltau may have been
transported to Papenburg (Emslandlanger).

According to my Uncle's birth certificate, Heinrich Ernst Kistner (maybe my
grandfather) was in front of Judge Ryonowyn in Papenburg on February 29,
1940.

Does anyone have any knowledge of camp records for this area, Judge
Ryonowyn, or civil or military court records that may exist?

I am trying to find my next step. Are there any researchers in this area?

I found the website for Papenburg (Emslandlanger). Unfortunately, most of it
has no English translation. It appears that none of Emslandlanger's records
are available online though.

If anyone can be of any assistance, I would be greatly appreciative.

Timothy E Patton

Researching Salomon (Ruth, Heinz, Maria) Kistner (Heinrich Ernst)

MODERATOR NOTE: Researcher information should be sent privately


Bronx Bakers Mutual Aid Association [YIVO Archives] #general

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

I am on the point of completing of about four feet of
archival boxes of the Bakers Association. The
descendants will find a wealth of materials. It will
be available shortly at the Center of Jewish History
Library at 15 West 16th St in NYC.

Jerome Seligsohn
Volunteer Archivist
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN Mogilev/Dnepr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bronx Bakers Mutual Aid Association [YIVO Archives] #general

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

I am on the point of completing of about four feet of
archival boxes of the Bakers Association. The
descendants will find a wealth of materials. It will
be available shortly at the Center of Jewish History
Library at 15 West 16th St in NYC.

Jerome Seligsohn
Volunteer Archivist
SELIGSOHN and ELKIN Mogilev/Dnepr


Re: Shtetl or town of Sawian and Chargored????? #belarus

Carlos Glikson
 

..."Sawian and Chargored" .. has anyone every heard of them?
Hattie, I can't choose "possible"Sawians, but "Chargored" looks like it
might be Shargorod, coordinates 4845 2805 in present Ukraine, 159.3 miles
SW of Kiev , according to JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm

There are 19 counts in a search for Shargorod in JewishGen's "Search this
website" function.

There is a place in Ukraine called SOFIAN, SOF'YAN, SOF'YANY, (SAF'YANY) in
that general direction but not near Shargorod. Its coordinates are 4525
2853 and it is 354.5 miles SSW of Kiev

There is a website in English with links to historic info
http://shargorod.org/
http://home.comcast.net/~rayzberg/shargorod/history/shargorod_history.html

Hope this helps,

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Shtetl or town of Sawian and Chargored????? #belarus

Carlos Glikson
 

..."Sawian and Chargored" .. has anyone every heard of them?
Hattie, I can't choose "possible"Sawians, but "Chargored" looks like it
might be Shargorod, coordinates 4845 2805 in present Ukraine, 159.3 miles
SW of Kiev , according to JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm

There are 19 counts in a search for Shargorod in JewishGen's "Search this
website" function.

There is a place in Ukraine called SOFIAN, SOF'YAN, SOF'YANY, (SAF'YANY) in
that general direction but not near Shargorod. Its coordinates are 4525
2853 and it is 354.5 miles SSW of Kiev

There is a website in English with links to historic info
http://shargorod.org/
http://home.comcast.net/~rayzberg/shargorod/history/shargorod_history.html

Hope this helps,

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires


Re: Handhouse Studio Zabludow Synagogue Workshop #poland

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

Bellow is a link to the Handshouse studio Zabludow Synagogue Workshop,
which I participated in recently. The workshop was a huge success, and
included many fascinating activities. The page bellow explains it all,
and has many excellent photos >from the workshop.

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com

http://www.handshouse.org/zabludow.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE:Handhouse Studio Zabludow Synagogue Workshop #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

Bellow is a link to the Handshouse studio Zabludow Synagogue Workshop,
which I participated in recently. The workshop was a huge success, and
included many fascinating activities. The page bellow explains it all,
and has many excellent photos >from the workshop.

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com

http://www.handshouse.org/zabludow.html