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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PEPPERMAN #general

A S Goldberg
 

I seek information on a PEPPERMAN family who lived in the Bialystock area
late 19th century.

Shlomo Zalman PEPPERMAN, a Talmudic scholar who probably held Rabbinic
qualification, married Chana/Annie MARCUS in Leeds, England, around the year
1890, and they lived the rest of their lives in Leeds.

I would greatly appreciate hearing >from anyone who could elaborate on the
above sparse data and provide information on this PEPPERMAN family. Please
respond to me direct on alancomm@....

Many thanks.

Abraham Goldberg
Jerusalem

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PEPPERMAN #general

A S Goldberg
 

I seek information on a PEPPERMAN family who lived in the Bialystock area
late 19th century.

Shlomo Zalman PEPPERMAN, a Talmudic scholar who probably held Rabbinic
qualification, married Chana/Annie MARCUS in Leeds, England, around the year
1890, and they lived the rest of their lives in Leeds.

I would greatly appreciate hearing >from anyone who could elaborate on the
above sparse data and provide information on this PEPPERMAN family. Please
respond to me direct on alancomm@....

Many thanks.

Abraham Goldberg
Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: To increase your chances of success, don't forget
to list your surnames of interest in the JewishGen Family Finder,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Success with Yad Vashem and Bezeq #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:59:16 UTC, jwilton@... (Jeremiah
Wilton) opined:

The same story often repeated here by others has finally come to pass
with my family, thanks to Yad Vashem. A whole branch of our family
assumed lost in the Shoah survived and flourished in the Soviet Union,
then in Israel. I found them because they filled out Yad Vashem pages
of testimony for their relatives killed.

The POTs were over 10 years old and none of the addresses were
current, so the key to success was using the Israeli telephone
directory at www.144.bezek.com. In fact, the surname I was searching
is so unusual that if I had thought of it, I could have found them
before I located the POTs just by searching each of the six area codes
in Israel. You need to be able to enter Hebrew to use the site.
Congratulations on your success!

For what it's worth, you would not have had to search separately in
each of the area codes. The selection list of area codes includes also
"00", which represents the entire country -- *all* the areas in one fell
swoop.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Re: Success with Yad Vashem and Bezeq #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:59:16 UTC, jwilton@... (Jeremiah
Wilton) opined:

The same story often repeated here by others has finally come to pass
with my family, thanks to Yad Vashem. A whole branch of our family
assumed lost in the Shoah survived and flourished in the Soviet Union,
then in Israel. I found them because they filled out Yad Vashem pages
of testimony for their relatives killed.

The POTs were over 10 years old and none of the addresses were
current, so the key to success was using the Israeli telephone
directory at www.144.bezek.com. In fact, the surname I was searching
is so unusual that if I had thought of it, I could have found them
before I located the POTs just by searching each of the six area codes
in Israel. You need to be able to enter Hebrew to use the site.
Congratulations on your success!

For what it's worth, you would not have had to search separately in
each of the area codes. The selection list of area codes includes also
"00", which represents the entire country -- *all* the areas in one fell
swoop.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: PoT Submitters for Surname "SAMURIN" #general

beyesn@...
 

Genners -

I am searching for three people who submitted Yad Vashem Pages of
Testimony on behalf of several Shoah victims with the surname "SAMURIN"
or "SAMORIN" >from the town of Pinsk, Belarus. The submitters appear to
be >from Israel and are named:
1) Pnina Pekach
2) Sara Eran
3) Nakum Halevi

One branch of my ancestors were named "SAMUREN" and were >from Pinsk.
They all chose the name "EISENBERG" upon arrival in America in the
early 1890s, many settling in Bayonne, NJ and others in Massachusetts.
Thanks for any help offered in helping me get in touch with these three
submitters.

Barry Eisenberg
Rockville, MD USA

Searching: EISENBERG (Bayonne, NJ), FREEDMAN (Botosani, Romania)
GLADSTONE (Suwalki, Poland), GLASER (Suwalki, Poland), KLIGER
(Stobychva, Ukraine), MENKOWITZ (Byten, Belarus), ROTHSTEIN (Minsk,
Belarus), SAMUREN (Pinsk, Belarus), UGER (Klewan, Ukraine).


Seeking: PoT Submitters for Surname "SAMURIN" #general

beyesn@...
 

Genners -

I am searching for three people who submitted Yad Vashem Pages of
Testimony on behalf of several Shoah victims with the surname "SAMURIN"
or "SAMORIN" >from the town of Pinsk, Belarus. The submitters appear to
be >from Israel and are named:
1) Pnina Pekach
2) Sara Eran
3) Nakum Halevi

One branch of my ancestors were named "SAMUREN" and were >from Pinsk.
They all chose the name "EISENBERG" upon arrival in America in the
early 1890s, many settling in Bayonne, NJ and others in Massachusetts.
Thanks for any help offered in helping me get in touch with these three
submitters.

Barry Eisenberg
Rockville, MD USA

Searching: EISENBERG (Bayonne, NJ), FREEDMAN (Botosani, Romania)
GLADSTONE (Suwalki, Poland), GLASER (Suwalki, Poland), KLIGER
(Stobychva, Ukraine), MENKOWITZ (Byten, Belarus), ROTHSTEIN (Minsk,
Belarus), SAMUREN (Pinsk, Belarus), UGER (Klewan, Ukraine).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Town Name "Chnigavigaberna"? (LUBINSKY/ROSSIN) #general

Janice Sellers <janice@...>
 

Thank you very much to everyone who responded to my inquiry. Most people
believe that where I should be looking is Chernigov gubernia.

Janice Sellers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Town Name "Chnigavigaberna"? (LUBINSKY/ROSSIN) #general

Margaret Mikulska
 

On 8/4/05, Janice Sellers <janice@...> wrote:

I am trying to determine what a correct town name is. Louis LUBINSKY
married Fanny (Ferma) ROSSIN in Russia. Fanny always said she was from
"Chnigavigaberna" and that Louis used to be the town bouncer there before
they came to the U.S. (about 1881-1882). I've run the phonetic spelling I
was given through ShtetlSeeker and came up with only two possibilities. I
would expect the town to be not too far >from Gluchow and Bachmach, [...]
Could it be by any chance "Chernigov Gubernia" and not a town? (Or
Chernigov itself, as the main city of this "gubernia"?)

-Margaret Mikulska
Princeton, NJ, USA / Warsaw, Poland


Re: Town Name "Chnigavigaberna"? (LUBINSKY/ROSSIN) #general

Janice Sellers <janice@...>
 

Thank you very much to everyone who responded to my inquiry. Most people
believe that where I should be looking is Chernigov gubernia.

Janice Sellers


Re: Town Name "Chnigavigaberna"? (LUBINSKY/ROSSIN) #general

Margaret Mikulska
 

On 8/4/05, Janice Sellers <janice@...> wrote:

I am trying to determine what a correct town name is. Louis LUBINSKY
married Fanny (Ferma) ROSSIN in Russia. Fanny always said she was from
"Chnigavigaberna" and that Louis used to be the town bouncer there before
they came to the U.S. (about 1881-1882). I've run the phonetic spelling I
was given through ShtetlSeeker and came up with only two possibilities. I
would expect the town to be not too far >from Gluchow and Bachmach, [...]
Could it be by any chance "Chernigov Gubernia" and not a town? (Or
Chernigov itself, as the main city of this "gubernia"?)

-Margaret Mikulska
Princeton, NJ, USA / Warsaw, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Town Name "Chnigavigaberna"? (LUBINSKY/ROSSIN) #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Janice Sellers" <janice@...> wrote

Dear Jewishgenners,

I am trying to determine what a correct town name is. Louis LUBINSKY
married Fanny (Ferma) ROSSIN in Russia. Fanny always said she was from
"Chnigavigaberna" and that Louis used to be the town bouncer there before
they came to the U.S. (about 1881-1882). I've run the phonetic spelling I
was given through ShtetlSeeker and came up with only two possibilities. I
would expect the town to be not too far >from Gluchow and Bachmach, as
Louis' sister Elke married an ORLOWSKY who was supposed to have been from
that area. Of the two matches in ShtetlSeeker, Senkevichevka is in
Ukraine, but it's almost 400 miles away. (The other match is in Poland,
about 700 miles away.) I welcome any ideas on what the town names could
be
and/or other ways to research it. Thank you all in advance for any
assistance.
Janice,

"Chnigavigaberna" appears to be the Chernigov Guberniya [now Chernihiv
Oblast' (Province)] of Ukraine.

Both towns, Bachmach (now Bakhmach) and Gluchow (now Hluchiv) were (are)
located within this Guberniya.

Best,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Re: Town Name "Chnigavigaberna"? (LUBINSKY/ROSSIN) #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Janice Sellers" <janice@...> wrote

Dear Jewishgenners,

I am trying to determine what a correct town name is. Louis LUBINSKY
married Fanny (Ferma) ROSSIN in Russia. Fanny always said she was from
"Chnigavigaberna" and that Louis used to be the town bouncer there before
they came to the U.S. (about 1881-1882). I've run the phonetic spelling I
was given through ShtetlSeeker and came up with only two possibilities. I
would expect the town to be not too far >from Gluchow and Bachmach, as
Louis' sister Elke married an ORLOWSKY who was supposed to have been from
that area. Of the two matches in ShtetlSeeker, Senkevichevka is in
Ukraine, but it's almost 400 miles away. (The other match is in Poland,
about 700 miles away.) I welcome any ideas on what the town names could
be
and/or other ways to research it. Thank you all in advance for any
assistance.
Janice,

"Chnigavigaberna" appears to be the Chernigov Guberniya [now Chernihiv
Oblast' (Province)] of Ukraine.

Both towns, Bachmach (now Bakhmach) and Gluchow (now Hluchiv) were (are)
located within this Guberniya.

Best,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Re: Air Raid Wardens #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Elisabeth,

My paternal grandfather, Gustavus Isaac FRANKEL served during WW1 in
the Royal Army Medical Corps. He was gassed and was awarded the Croix
de Guerre. He owned a printing business in Commercial Road, Stepney
from 1920 onwards. When WW2 started, being too old to join up, he was
involved as an air raid warden for the area. He was also a long-time
scouter with the No.1 East London Troop, and raised a lot of money
amongst the scouting "alumni."

I recently acquired some newspaper clippings >from my mother. I will
go through them and see if your father was mentioned. This is
something you could also ask of the Tower Hamlets Local History
Collection or SKS who lives there to do for you.

Best wishes,

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, London, England
Berkeley, California, USA


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom re: Air Raid Wardens #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Elisabeth,

My paternal grandfather, Gustavus Isaac FRANKEL served during WW1 in
the Royal Army Medical Corps. He was gassed and was awarded the Croix
de Guerre. He owned a printing business in Commercial Road, Stepney
from 1920 onwards. When WW2 started, being too old to join up, he was
involved as an air raid warden for the area. He was also a long-time
scouter with the No.1 East London Troop, and raised a lot of money
amongst the scouting "alumni."

I recently acquired some newspaper clippings >from my mother. I will
go through them and see if your father was mentioned. This is
something you could also ask of the Tower Hamlets Local History
Collection or SKS who lives there to do for you.

Best wishes,

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, London, England
Berkeley, California, USA


Professions and family names in Hermanuv Mestec #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

David Laufer writes: "If he [KLEPPER] was a knacker, perhaps he worked in
close cooperation with a leather merchant. Were there any LEDERERs in
Hermanuv Mestec?"

This little Jewish community in the Chrudimer Kreis, Bohemia is very
interesting. It comprises of 71 families with Schutz, and three without -
a Jewish population of about 300 in 1793. It is full of Hausierer [peddlers],
Schnittwaren [fabric lengths] dealers and tailors/dressmakers. A veritable
hive of activity.

There is only one baker - the widow Ester LUSTIGEN. You would have to visit
house No 19 to buy your fresh rolls, daily or perhaps just on Fridays for
the special Sabbath bread.

There are two raw leather merchants: Joseph LEDERER [house No 49] with
wife Rosalia, son Beer and two daughters Sara and Susanna. The other leather
dealer is Isak POKORNY, married to Ester.

I have another surprise for David - there is a Nathan KLOPERER - [o umlaut]
who is a glovemaker. The bookbinder, obviously a purchaser of leather, is
Moissess [sic] BRUK [umlaut]. The cobbler is called Isak HOFMANN - and he
has a wife and four daughters!

The glazier is convenienty called Abraham GLASSMANN [house No 51] and he
has a son Philip and daughter Martha.

There are also two widows named BANDLERIN and a BANDLER family [bandl =
tapes and ribbons,] who should by their names be Posamentierer, but they are
Schnittwaren dealers! The actual Posamentierer are called Dawid FISCHER
[house No 36], Dawid SPITZ [house No 53] and Jakob LEBENTHAL. Imagine,
three Posamentierer in this tiny community in 1793. In Vienna today,
according to Viennese Fred Posamentir [I have his permission to quote]
there is only one - presumably because fashions have changed and a Swedish
store, with a four-lettered name starting with *I*, has taken over with
ready-made blinds and curtains.

I believe that the most important leather merchant is Bernard POLAK who
lives in the Herrschaft but in Moraschitz [Morasice] - he has the
Moraschitz leather concession; his birthplace is given as Schebekow/
Sebekovice [okr Trebic].

So here in Hermanuv Mestec/Herzman Mniestez we do have two professions
represented - a glazier and a leather dealer with the appropriate family
names: GLASSMANN and LEDERER.

I checked our message archives and there is not one reference to GLASSMANN,
but we do have have many LEDERER hits since the SIG commenced. Our keen
Sigger, Peter Lowe [U.K.] also has a family connection to this area
[please search our archives with keyword *Hermanuv*]. GLASSMANN does not
appear on the JGFF either under Czech Republic. There is only one GLASSMANN
from Poland and many GLASSMAN mainly >from Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Russia
and Latvia.

LEBENTHAL has one hit on the JGFF >from Poland. POKORNY has one hit >from
our SIG [Puklitz Moravia]. The other JGFF *POKORNY* hits are for Poland
and Slovakia.

I have checked out these names on Yad Vashem as well -there are very many
tragic victims called POKORNY >from Bohemia, Moravia and Vienna but
GLASSMANN and LEBENTHAL victims appear to be mainly of Polish and Galician
origin.

Could our craftsmen GLASSMANN and LEBENTHAL >from Hermanuv Mestec perhaps
have been immigrants >from Poland/Galicia? I will have to check the 1793
census to see how many more there are with these names and if so, where
they lived. This might hopefully tie in with one or two recent postings about
Galician immigrants to Bohemia and Moravia.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Professions and family names in Hermanuv Mestec #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

David Laufer writes: "If he [KLEPPER] was a knacker, perhaps he worked in
close cooperation with a leather merchant. Were there any LEDERERs in
Hermanuv Mestec?"

This little Jewish community in the Chrudimer Kreis, Bohemia is very
interesting. It comprises of 71 families with Schutz, and three without -
a Jewish population of about 300 in 1793. It is full of Hausierer [peddlers],
Schnittwaren [fabric lengths] dealers and tailors/dressmakers. A veritable
hive of activity.

There is only one baker - the widow Ester LUSTIGEN. You would have to visit
house No 19 to buy your fresh rolls, daily or perhaps just on Fridays for
the special Sabbath bread.

There are two raw leather merchants: Joseph LEDERER [house No 49] with
wife Rosalia, son Beer and two daughters Sara and Susanna. The other leather
dealer is Isak POKORNY, married to Ester.

I have another surprise for David - there is a Nathan KLOPERER - [o umlaut]
who is a glovemaker. The bookbinder, obviously a purchaser of leather, is
Moissess [sic] BRUK [umlaut]. The cobbler is called Isak HOFMANN - and he
has a wife and four daughters!

The glazier is convenienty called Abraham GLASSMANN [house No 51] and he
has a son Philip and daughter Martha.

There are also two widows named BANDLERIN and a BANDLER family [bandl =
tapes and ribbons,] who should by their names be Posamentierer, but they are
Schnittwaren dealers! The actual Posamentierer are called Dawid FISCHER
[house No 36], Dawid SPITZ [house No 53] and Jakob LEBENTHAL. Imagine,
three Posamentierer in this tiny community in 1793. In Vienna today,
according to Viennese Fred Posamentir [I have his permission to quote]
there is only one - presumably because fashions have changed and a Swedish
store, with a four-lettered name starting with *I*, has taken over with
ready-made blinds and curtains.

I believe that the most important leather merchant is Bernard POLAK who
lives in the Herrschaft but in Moraschitz [Morasice] - he has the
Moraschitz leather concession; his birthplace is given as Schebekow/
Sebekovice [okr Trebic].

So here in Hermanuv Mestec/Herzman Mniestez we do have two professions
represented - a glazier and a leather dealer with the appropriate family
names: GLASSMANN and LEDERER.

I checked our message archives and there is not one reference to GLASSMANN,
but we do have have many LEDERER hits since the SIG commenced. Our keen
Sigger, Peter Lowe [U.K.] also has a family connection to this area
[please search our archives with keyword *Hermanuv*]. GLASSMANN does not
appear on the JGFF either under Czech Republic. There is only one GLASSMANN
from Poland and many GLASSMAN mainly >from Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Russia
and Latvia.

LEBENTHAL has one hit on the JGFF >from Poland. POKORNY has one hit >from
our SIG [Puklitz Moravia]. The other JGFF *POKORNY* hits are for Poland
and Slovakia.

I have checked out these names on Yad Vashem as well -there are very many
tragic victims called POKORNY >from Bohemia, Moravia and Vienna but
GLASSMANN and LEBENTHAL victims appear to be mainly of Polish and Galician
origin.

Could our craftsmen GLASSMANN and LEBENTHAL >from Hermanuv Mestec perhaps
have been immigrants >from Poland/Galicia? I will have to check the 1793
census to see how many more there are with these names and if so, where
they lived. This might hopefully tie in with one or two recent postings about
Galician immigrants to Bohemia and Moravia.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish translation request - 2 words, "Skory (cuirs)" #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

Bernie the two words mean the same. You don't give a date for the
Business Directory but I will assume that it >from the inter-war
years. These earlier Directories were written in both Polish and French.
Skory - Polish = leathers / hides
Cuirs - French = leathers

As a trade / business it would translate as "Leather Goods".

Susana Leistner Bloch

At 01:00 AM 8/4/2005,Bernard Kouchel wrote :

I'd appreciate translation of these two words as found in
Poland business directory. An occupation or industry?
Definitions were not found in online translators.

Skory (cuirs) --- [w/ accent ' over o]

Thanks!
--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@...


Re: Polish translation request - 2 words, "Skory (cuirs)" #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

Bernie the two words mean the same. You don't give a date for the
Business Directory but I will assume that it >from the inter-war
years. These earlier Directories were written in both Polish and French.
Skory - Polish = leathers / hides
Cuirs - French = leathers

As a trade / business it would translate as "Leather Goods".

Susana Leistner Bloch

At 01:00 AM 8/4/2005,Bernard Kouchel wrote :

I'd appreciate translation of these two words as found in
Poland business directory. An occupation or industry?
Definitions were not found in online translators.

Skory (cuirs) --- [w/ accent ' over o]

Thanks!
--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Longitudes Seem to be off by about 17 Degrees #general

M&M Schejtman <m&mschejtman@...>
 

Until 1884 there was no set 0 longitude location (prime meridian). As long
as the cartographer said where he was measuring >from that was OK.
The most famous places aside >from Greenwich, are Philadelphia, Jerusalem
and Ferro (Ferro is the smallest and furthest south and west of the Canary
Islands which are just off Northern Africa). Ferro was called for a very
long time the prime meridian (except by the British).
In 1884 the international meridian conference decided that Greenwich
England will be the universal prime meridian.

So when reading a map look at the bottom so you can gather all the
information correctly.

Merav Schejtman
Jerusalem

===A second question: the 3rd Military Mapping Survey of Austria-Hungary,
at
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm
the (East-West) , 45
minutes. That is, the longitudes shown at the top of the map are
consistently 17 degrees, 45 minutes too high.

That would make sense if they started with the zero longitude running
(North-South) through the western end of cornwall, or something. Has
anyone noticed theis problem with the map?

Steven B. Tesser


Re: Longitudes Seem to be off by about 17 Degrees #general

M&M Schejtman <m&mschejtman@...>
 

Until 1884 there was no set 0 longitude location (prime meridian). As long
as the cartographer said where he was measuring >from that was OK.
The most famous places aside >from Greenwich, are Philadelphia, Jerusalem
and Ferro (Ferro is the smallest and furthest south and west of the Canary
Islands which are just off Northern Africa). Ferro was called for a very
long time the prime meridian (except by the British).
In 1884 the international meridian conference decided that Greenwich
England will be the universal prime meridian.

So when reading a map look at the bottom so you can gather all the
information correctly.

Merav Schejtman
Jerusalem

===A second question: the 3rd Military Mapping Survey of Austria-Hungary,
at
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm
the (East-West) , 45
minutes. That is, the longitudes shown at the top of the map are
consistently 17 degrees, 45 minutes too high.

That would make sense if they started with the zero longitude running
(North-South) through the western end of cornwall, or something. Has
anyone noticed theis problem with the map?

Steven B. Tesser