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Name Suffix/-SKONU for -SKY at Ekaterinoslav #ukraine

Steve Franklin <cryptozoomorphic@...>
 

My great grandfather, Eudel SCHEFCZINSKY of Gorodische, went by many variations
of his name over the years, but the one that fascinates me the most is >from an
entry in the Blitzstein Bank Passage Order Book records, where his son-in-law,
my grandfather Samuel (FRENKEL) FRANKLIN, has him as Judku SCHEFCZINSKONU. I am
curious if anyone recognizes the orthography of this name, that is, where would
this particular rendering have come from? What country--what language--would
the -u/-onu endings indicate? I realise Judku is a variation on Judke, which
Eudel also used.

Steve Franklin
http://www.lordbalto.com/
If my email ever bounces,
you can always contact me
at my website.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Name Suffix/-SKONU for -SKY at Ekaterinoslav #ukraine

Steve Franklin <cryptozoomorphic@...>
 

My great grandfather, Eudel SCHEFCZINSKY of Gorodische, went by many variations
of his name over the years, but the one that fascinates me the most is >from an
entry in the Blitzstein Bank Passage Order Book records, where his son-in-law,
my grandfather Samuel (FRENKEL) FRANKLIN, has him as Judku SCHEFCZINSKONU. I am
curious if anyone recognizes the orthography of this name, that is, where would
this particular rendering have come from? What country--what language--would
the -u/-onu endings indicate? I realise Judku is a variation on Judke, which
Eudel also used.

Steve Franklin
http://www.lordbalto.com/
If my email ever bounces,
you can always contact me
at my website.


Flour mills #ukraine

Noyma Appelbaum <noyma@...>
 

I recently posted a series of questions about the economic status of flour
mill owners in preWW I Ukraine. I asked for a private response to my
questions and quite a few came in. One person suggested that I should share
the information I received since others may be interested in the same
subject. Here is a summary of the main points in these responses.

1. Most respondents commented on the horrific pogroms against Jews in post
revolutionary Ukraine. It was noted that my mother and her sister were lucky
to have left Zvenigrodka when they did (1913-14) and thereby avoided those
pogroms. Apparently my mother's family escaped the worst of the pogroms
since my grandfather lived through them and the civil war and died in 1927.
His two daughters, my mother's sisters, also lived through them. One moved
to Kharkov in 1938-39; she and her children survived WW II. The other sister
and her children remained in Zvenigrodka and were murdered in the Holocaust.

2. In regard to flour mills, it appears that the economic situation of flour
mill owners varied widely. Some were fairly wealthy; others struggled to
make a living. Someone suggested that my grandfather may not have done too
well because of his location, Zvenigrodka. The competition may have been
great there. Someone else said he may have made a living but did not make
enough to support his daughters into adulthood.

3. There was comment that many mills at that time were operated by Jews,
that it was a "Jewish business." At least two people commented that milling
was a good business, but that their families held on to their mills too
long. One such family was caught up in the pogroms and one family, probably
in Lithuania, held on so long that they were caught up in the Holocaust.

4. I had asked about how mills were powered and I was told either by water
or by horses.

5. One respondent said that just because a miller made a living didn't mean
he was a macher. Knowing my family, that was probably on target in my case.

Thanks to all who responded.

Noyma Appelbaum
Philadelphia, PA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Flour mills #ukraine

Noyma Appelbaum <noyma@...>
 

I recently posted a series of questions about the economic status of flour
mill owners in preWW I Ukraine. I asked for a private response to my
questions and quite a few came in. One person suggested that I should share
the information I received since others may be interested in the same
subject. Here is a summary of the main points in these responses.

1. Most respondents commented on the horrific pogroms against Jews in post
revolutionary Ukraine. It was noted that my mother and her sister were lucky
to have left Zvenigrodka when they did (1913-14) and thereby avoided those
pogroms. Apparently my mother's family escaped the worst of the pogroms
since my grandfather lived through them and the civil war and died in 1927.
His two daughters, my mother's sisters, also lived through them. One moved
to Kharkov in 1938-39; she and her children survived WW II. The other sister
and her children remained in Zvenigrodka and were murdered in the Holocaust.

2. In regard to flour mills, it appears that the economic situation of flour
mill owners varied widely. Some were fairly wealthy; others struggled to
make a living. Someone suggested that my grandfather may not have done too
well because of his location, Zvenigrodka. The competition may have been
great there. Someone else said he may have made a living but did not make
enough to support his daughters into adulthood.

3. There was comment that many mills at that time were operated by Jews,
that it was a "Jewish business." At least two people commented that milling
was a good business, but that their families held on to their mills too
long. One such family was caught up in the pogroms and one family, probably
in Lithuania, held on so long that they were caught up in the Holocaust.

4. I had asked about how mills were powered and I was told either by water
or by horses.

5. One respondent said that just because a miller made a living didn't mean
he was a macher. Knowing my family, that was probably on target in my case.

Thanks to all who responded.

Noyma Appelbaum
Philadelphia, PA


RONER Family in Galicia-Possible Vizhnitsa Origin??? #ukraine

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Siggers,
After reuniting my 2 first cousins Rudi Rosner and
Reuven Orschutzer I found out that our grandfather
Jacob Chiel ROSNER (1866-1942)after whom I am named
was born in Dabrowa Tarnowska and moved to Krakow only
at the begining of the 20th century.
I started looking via JRI-PL,Yad Vashem and
Shoreshim.org for Rosner at Tarnow area and discovered
in Raanana,Israel a Rosner family which arrived here
from Tarnow and Zabno(close to Dabrowa).
They told me that they lived in Tarnow area but
originate in Vizhnitsa(Vizhnitz),Bukovina,once
Austria,between 1918-1939 Romania and after 1945 the
Ukraine.
Would appreciate any direction call about ROSNERS
from Vizhnitsa who moved westward to Galicia in mid
19th century.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RONER Family in Galicia-Possible Vizhnitsa Origin??? #ukraine

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Siggers,
After reuniting my 2 first cousins Rudi Rosner and
Reuven Orschutzer I found out that our grandfather
Jacob Chiel ROSNER (1866-1942)after whom I am named
was born in Dabrowa Tarnowska and moved to Krakow only
at the begining of the 20th century.
I started looking via JRI-PL,Yad Vashem and
Shoreshim.org for Rosner at Tarnow area and discovered
in Raanana,Israel a Rosner family which arrived here
from Tarnow and Zabno(close to Dabrowa).
They told me that they lived in Tarnow area but
originate in Vizhnitsa(Vizhnitz),Bukovina,once
Austria,between 1918-1939 Romania and after 1945 the
Ukraine.
Would appreciate any direction call about ROSNERS
from Vizhnitsa who moved westward to Galicia in mid
19th century.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Researching Elizabeth Babetta VOGEL SILVERFRIEND #germany

pfishyuma@...
 

Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 30 years.
I consider myself to be novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy research.
I live in rural Yuma, Arrizona USA. My native language is English.
I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My experience in using
the Internet is extensive. I have identified the names and birth year and
aprox. death year of Elizabeth Babetta Vogel SILVERFRIEND 1842-1918 - born in
Germany, my great great grandparent and the birth year and death date of
Moses SILVERFRIEND, my great great grandfather 1829-1877 - born in Poland/Austria.

My primary research goals now are to find out: exact birth and emigration
information on Babetta >from Germany. I believe she emigrated to Canada via USA
in 1861 or 1862 to marry Moses SILVERFRIEND. Babetta's sister (Mrs. David HAMMEL)
of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada was the match maker.

The family names and towns that I am researching are:

VOGEL - Germany to Canada via USA 1860-61, married Moses SILVERFRIEND in 1863
in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Children Henry 1864 Hamilton, William 1855
Hamilton, Harriet/Henrietta 1866 Hamilton, Evoline/Edith 1868 Hamilton,
Rose 1870 Hamilton, Rosa 1859 Poland. Moses Immig. Abt. 1860 Rochester,
NY tailor Greentree and Wile. Oct of 1872 Menominee, MI, 1875 Jeweler Sheboygan,
WI, 1877 died Appleton, WI, Babetta ran confectioner shop in Appleton until
1900. My ggm Rosa SILVERFRIEND possibly child prev. marriage Moses. Rosa listed
Moses & Betsy parents

Patrick Joseph Fish, Yuma, Arizona, USA e-mail: pfishyuma@adelphia.net


German SIG #Germany Researching Elizabeth Babetta VOGEL SILVERFRIEND #germany

pfishyuma@...
 

Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 30 years.
I consider myself to be novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy research.
I live in rural Yuma, Arrizona USA. My native language is English.
I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My experience in using
the Internet is extensive. I have identified the names and birth year and
aprox. death year of Elizabeth Babetta Vogel SILVERFRIEND 1842-1918 - born in
Germany, my great great grandparent and the birth year and death date of
Moses SILVERFRIEND, my great great grandfather 1829-1877 - born in Poland/Austria.

My primary research goals now are to find out: exact birth and emigration
information on Babetta >from Germany. I believe she emigrated to Canada via USA
in 1861 or 1862 to marry Moses SILVERFRIEND. Babetta's sister (Mrs. David HAMMEL)
of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada was the match maker.

The family names and towns that I am researching are:

VOGEL - Germany to Canada via USA 1860-61, married Moses SILVERFRIEND in 1863
in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Children Henry 1864 Hamilton, William 1855
Hamilton, Harriet/Henrietta 1866 Hamilton, Evoline/Edith 1868 Hamilton,
Rose 1870 Hamilton, Rosa 1859 Poland. Moses Immig. Abt. 1860 Rochester,
NY tailor Greentree and Wile. Oct of 1872 Menominee, MI, 1875 Jeweler Sheboygan,
WI, 1877 died Appleton, WI, Babetta ran confectioner shop in Appleton until
1900. My ggm Rosa SILVERFRIEND possibly child prev. marriage Moses. Rosa listed
Moses & Betsy parents

Patrick Joseph Fish, Yuma, Arizona, USA e-mail: pfishyuma@adelphia.net


August issue of Sharsheret Hadorot #germany

Klausner
 

Shalom,
The August issue of "Sharsheret Hadorot", the quarterly of The Israel
Genealogical Society has just appeared (Vol. 19 No. 3).

Below are the main articles:

The TOLEDANO Family of Gibraltar, by Jacob Tal Toledano.
The Search for Koenigsbuch on the Internet, by Jacob Rosen..
A Journey in the Wake of a Forgotten Yesteryear, by Or Aleksandrowicz
Families who Trace Their Ancestry to King David, by Avishai Elboim.
The International Conference of Jews >from Constantine (Algeria),-Mathilde Tagger
Index of Voter Lists in Constantine (Algeria) and its District in 1880, by "
Notes >from the Library, by Harriet Kasow.
Book Review: Recanati, Aure: Mémorial de la Déportation des Juifs de Grèce.
Jerusalem, Abraham Cohen-Erez Publ.,2005. 3 volumes (French), Reviewed by
Mathilde A. Tagger
The Racist Obsession of the National Socialists and Its Impact on
German-Jewish Genealogical Research, Summary of Part III by Harold Lewin

Thank you and best wishes, Yocheved

Yocheved Klausner, Editor Sharsheret Hadorot Israel Genealogical Society (IGS)
Visit our Website: www.isragen.org.il


German SIG #Germany August issue of Sharsheret Hadorot #germany

Klausner
 

Shalom,
The August issue of "Sharsheret Hadorot", the quarterly of The Israel
Genealogical Society has just appeared (Vol. 19 No. 3).

Below are the main articles:

The TOLEDANO Family of Gibraltar, by Jacob Tal Toledano.
The Search for Koenigsbuch on the Internet, by Jacob Rosen..
A Journey in the Wake of a Forgotten Yesteryear, by Or Aleksandrowicz
Families who Trace Their Ancestry to King David, by Avishai Elboim.
The International Conference of Jews >from Constantine (Algeria),-Mathilde Tagger
Index of Voter Lists in Constantine (Algeria) and its District in 1880, by "
Notes >from the Library, by Harriet Kasow.
Book Review: Recanati, Aure: Mémorial de la Déportation des Juifs de Grèce.
Jerusalem, Abraham Cohen-Erez Publ.,2005. 3 volumes (French), Reviewed by
Mathilde A. Tagger
The Racist Obsession of the National Socialists and Its Impact on
German-Jewish Genealogical Research, Summary of Part III by Harold Lewin

Thank you and best wishes, Yocheved

Yocheved Klausner, Editor Sharsheret Hadorot Israel Genealogical Society (IGS)
Visit our Website: www.isragen.org.il


Re. Leipzig #germany

HHHeilbut@...
 

Hallo, Mr. Leo asked about researching in Leipzig. I did some research in the
Stadt Archiv of Leipzig for the SEALTIEL/SALTIEL family. See my article
in the "Maajan" 17.Jahrg. 4.Quartal, Dec.2003 Heft 69. The article is written
in German, but Mr. Leo will probably be able to find somebody to translate the
important parts of it for him.

I was offered generous help by the archivist. And I believe that there is a lot
of information available. Kind regards,

Helga HEILBUT, Bergisch Gladbach, Deutschland <HHHeilbut@T-Online.de>


German SIG #Germany Re. Leipzig #germany

HHHeilbut@...
 

Hallo, Mr. Leo asked about researching in Leipzig. I did some research in the
Stadt Archiv of Leipzig for the SEALTIEL/SALTIEL family. See my article
in the "Maajan" 17.Jahrg. 4.Quartal, Dec.2003 Heft 69. The article is written
in German, but Mr. Leo will probably be able to find somebody to translate the
important parts of it for him.

I was offered generous help by the archivist. And I believe that there is a lot
of information available. Kind regards,

Helga HEILBUT, Bergisch Gladbach, Deutschland <HHHeilbut@T-Online.de>


Help needed identifying Sam KLONSKY who married Basha (Bessie) BELKIN #general

amethyst@...
 

One Sam KLONSKY married Basha (Bessie) BELKIN, daughter of Israel BELKIN and
Chaie Riva KLONSKY, probably in Zembin, Belarus where her family was from.
The marriage date is unknown. They had two daughters, Ida and Yetta/Etta.

Bessie was born in Zembin on 10 February 1883. She arrived in New York with
Ida on the S. S. Noordam on 25 Mar 1905. Ida was born in Russia on 12 January
1904. Yetta/Etta was born in New York on 26 October 1907.

Bessie is on the federal censuses of 1910 and 1920, and on the New York
state census of 1915 in New York City, each time without Sam. Those
records indicate she was still married.

She was admitted to citizenship on 5 Feb 1923. On her petition for
naturalization, she says she is married, her husband's name is Sam, and that
he is living in Canada.

Bessie died in the Bronx, New York on 2 July 1964, and her death
certificate says she is a widow. Daughter Etta was the informant.
But I have found nothing on Sam KLONSKY. I also have nothing on Ida, the
older daughter. I do know that Yetta/Etta died in Florida in 1991, and
that she married a LEIBSON sometime after 1936. In 1936 she was working at
Stockton Supply Company at 507 West 16th Street in New York City.

If anyone can help identify Sam KLONSKY and/or knows of his daughter Ida,
please contact me privately.

Thanks in advance,
Nancy Maxwell
Grapevine, Texas, USA

Researching: BELKIN/BELKIND; KLONSKY/KLONSKI/KLIONSKI; LEIKIND;
PADNOS - Zembin, Belarus; PLISKIN - Disna, Lithuania (?) and Manchester,
Lancashire, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help needed identifying Sam KLONSKY who married Basha (Bessie) BELKIN #general

amethyst@...
 

One Sam KLONSKY married Basha (Bessie) BELKIN, daughter of Israel BELKIN and
Chaie Riva KLONSKY, probably in Zembin, Belarus where her family was from.
The marriage date is unknown. They had two daughters, Ida and Yetta/Etta.

Bessie was born in Zembin on 10 February 1883. She arrived in New York with
Ida on the S. S. Noordam on 25 Mar 1905. Ida was born in Russia on 12 January
1904. Yetta/Etta was born in New York on 26 October 1907.

Bessie is on the federal censuses of 1910 and 1920, and on the New York
state census of 1915 in New York City, each time without Sam. Those
records indicate she was still married.

She was admitted to citizenship on 5 Feb 1923. On her petition for
naturalization, she says she is married, her husband's name is Sam, and that
he is living in Canada.

Bessie died in the Bronx, New York on 2 July 1964, and her death
certificate says she is a widow. Daughter Etta was the informant.
But I have found nothing on Sam KLONSKY. I also have nothing on Ida, the
older daughter. I do know that Yetta/Etta died in Florida in 1991, and
that she married a LEIBSON sometime after 1936. In 1936 she was working at
Stockton Supply Company at 507 West 16th Street in New York City.

If anyone can help identify Sam KLONSKY and/or knows of his daughter Ida,
please contact me privately.

Thanks in advance,
Nancy Maxwell
Grapevine, Texas, USA

Researching: BELKIN/BELKIND; KLONSKY/KLONSKI/KLIONSKI; LEIKIND;
PADNOS - Zembin, Belarus; PLISKIN - Disna, Lithuania (?) and Manchester,
Lancashire, England


Re: Prosecco - Italy #general

Nardo Bonomi
 

Prosek(Prosecco) hospital where he died and was burried in the cemetery
with the same name. Any ideas for a contact of holder of archives for that
cemetery?
Intersting question.

Prosecco (Prosek) was an indipendent municipality, but apparently its comune
(town hall) doesn't existe any more. Prosecco became a district of the town
of Trieste.
TRieste has several graveyards, Prosecco is the Austro-Ungaric one.
Here are some images of the graveyard
http://www.thule-italia.com/Marco71/Prosecco/Prosecco.html
You can research about the archive of the hospital through the comune of
Trieste and ask for a death certificate.
http://www.retecivica.trieste.it
The URP (Ufficio Rapporti con il pubblico) Public Relations Bureau of the
Town hall of Trieste is
URP Comune di Trieste via della Procureria 2A
tel. 0406754850, fax 0406756060
e-mail: urp@comune.trieste.it

For general information on researches in Italy please see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Italy/italian.htm

NardoBonomi
Greve - Firenze - Italy
email nbonomi@libero.it

Researching on:
GROBMAN Ukraine BRAVERMAN Ukraine LUFT Galizia

George Beykovsky" <beykovsky@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:32 PM
My ancestor was injured in WWI in the 7th Battle of Isonzo, and taken to
Prosek(Prosecco)hospital where he died and was burried in the cemetery
with the same name. Any ideas for a contact of holder of archives for that
cemetery?
George Beykovsky


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Prosecco - Italy #general

Nardo Bonomi
 

Prosek(Prosecco) hospital where he died and was burried in the cemetery
with the same name. Any ideas for a contact of holder of archives for that
cemetery?
Intersting question.

Prosecco (Prosek) was an indipendent municipality, but apparently its comune
(town hall) doesn't existe any more. Prosecco became a district of the town
of Trieste.
TRieste has several graveyards, Prosecco is the Austro-Ungaric one.
Here are some images of the graveyard
http://www.thule-italia.com/Marco71/Prosecco/Prosecco.html
You can research about the archive of the hospital through the comune of
Trieste and ask for a death certificate.
http://www.retecivica.trieste.it
The URP (Ufficio Rapporti con il pubblico) Public Relations Bureau of the
Town hall of Trieste is
URP Comune di Trieste via della Procureria 2A
tel. 0406754850, fax 0406756060
e-mail: urp@comune.trieste.it

For general information on researches in Italy please see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Italy/italian.htm

NardoBonomi
Greve - Firenze - Italy
email nbonomi@libero.it

Researching on:
GROBMAN Ukraine BRAVERMAN Ukraine LUFT Galizia

George Beykovsky" <beykovsky@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:32 PM
My ancestor was injured in WWI in the 7th Battle of Isonzo, and taken to
Prosek(Prosecco)hospital where he died and was burried in the cemetery
with the same name. Any ideas for a contact of holder of archives for that
cemetery?
George Beykovsky


Seeking: Issy BLOOMBERG in South Africa #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to locate the family of my Mom's first cousin, South Africa's
bodybuilder, Issy Bloomberg, who died in 2001.
Any help appreciated,
Please reply directly to me.
Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J. 07208


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: Issy BLOOMBERG in South Africa #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to locate the family of my Mom's first cousin, South Africa's
bodybuilder, Issy Bloomberg, who died in 2001.
Any help appreciated,
Please reply directly to me.
Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J. 07208


London Metropolitan Archives #general

Derek & Rosemary Wenzerul <dandr@...>
 

As I have been on holiday this may have been previously posted but thought
that anyone visiting London might wish to have this information:

Closures
In 2005 LMA will be closed for annual stocktaking >from 4.45pm Friday 28
October 2005 and will re-open at 9.30am Monday 14 November 2005.

They will also be opening on the following Saturdays:
10, 24 September
8, 22 October
26 November
10 December

Rosemary Wenzerul
dandr@wenzeds.freeserve.co.uk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London Metropolitan Archives #general

Derek & Rosemary Wenzerul <dandr@...>
 

As I have been on holiday this may have been previously posted but thought
that anyone visiting London might wish to have this information:

Closures
In 2005 LMA will be closed for annual stocktaking >from 4.45pm Friday 28
October 2005 and will re-open at 9.30am Monday 14 November 2005.

They will also be opening on the following Saturdays:
10, 24 September
8, 22 October
26 November
10 December

Rosemary Wenzerul
dandr@wenzeds.freeserve.co.uk