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Letter to Polish Archives #general

RuthFire@...
 

I am sending a letter to the Warsaw Archives and I would like to know if I can
send it in English or must I have it translated? Also will they accept a U.S.
Postal Money Order? Thank you. Ruth Vidaver Firestone, Newington, CT


The names "Biniem" and "Benyamin" #general

Doug Mason
 

According to family tradition (records for Kurow, Poland are not publicly
available), around 1876 Simha Biniem MANDELBAUM had a son named Benyamin. Are the
names "Biniem" and "Benyamin" variants of one another?

The same family tradition says that Benyamin was not the youngest child.
Is it likely a son would be named after his living father?

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia
***
MODERATOR NOTE: A file about given names with a conversion tool can be found at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Letter to Polish Archives #general

RuthFire@...
 

I am sending a letter to the Warsaw Archives and I would like to know if I can
send it in English or must I have it translated? Also will they accept a U.S.
Postal Money Order? Thank you. Ruth Vidaver Firestone, Newington, CT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The names "Biniem" and "Benyamin" #general

Doug Mason
 

According to family tradition (records for Kurow, Poland are not publicly
available), around 1876 Simha Biniem MANDELBAUM had a son named Benyamin. Are the
names "Biniem" and "Benyamin" variants of one another?

The same family tradition says that Benyamin was not the youngest child.
Is it likely a son would be named after his living father?

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia
***
MODERATOR NOTE: A file about given names with a conversion tool can be found at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames


Houston Street, New York Shuls #general

Lauren Shulsky Orenstein
 

Does anyone know about shuls on Houston Street in Manhattan that were converted to
day care centers in the early 1970's? Or, alternately, does anyone know a way to
get this info. I am looking for an address; shul names are less important.

Please repsond privately, as I am not monitoring the list consistently.

Thanks so much for any help.

-Andrew Orenstein
aorenstein@harrisbeach.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Houston Street, New York Shuls #general

Lauren Shulsky Orenstein
 

Does anyone know about shuls on Houston Street in Manhattan that were converted to
day care centers in the early 1970's? Or, alternately, does anyone know a way to
get this info. I am looking for an address; shul names are less important.

Please repsond privately, as I am not monitoring the list consistently.

Thanks so much for any help.

-Andrew Orenstein
aorenstein@harrisbeach.com


Re: Publishing Genealogies #general

Simon Tardell
 

Stan Goodman wrote:

It is indeed possible to bowdlerize a genealogy in deference to the neurotically
defensive. Remember that you are gathering this information as a way to preserve
information for the future, and that anything you omit because the person is
still alive is lost forever -- nobody, after you are gone, is going to fill in
the details as the nervous nellies die off.
I don't agree. The discussion was about publishing as in making publicly available
on the internet. No information is *lost* if you choose not to do that, or if you
choose to omit data on living people when publishing. The data in your unpublished
database remains. Also, this is not an all-or-nothing situation. Sharing your
data, your full data, with family you know and trust, is an entirely different
matter.

What is true is that it is foolish in many ways to publish sensitive and
identifying details, sometimes even of dead persons. Dates/places of birth,
marriage, and death are already matters of public record. You are not releasing
secrets into the public domain by publishing them.
Again, secret is not an absolute, it is the degree of difficulty in obtaining
information. Information available through a search with Google is ostensibly much
less secret than information available through public record only (or being called
out by the gabbai in your local shul). There used to be a sign in railroad cars in
Sweden saying "The opportunity makes the thief", it applies here as well: The more
difficult it is to obtain information, the less likely is it someone will bother
to use it for sinister purposes. If it were otherwise, genealogy would be much
easier.

Also, public record is not unconditionally public. Maybe your cousin has
protected identity and changed names and addresses because her husband used to
beat her up. Maybe *you* got the information on her through some family relation
who didn't realize you were going to publish it on the Internet.

Inevitably this discussion seems to turn to identity theft, and that may be a
problem, but it is definitely not the only problem that can arise >from publishing
personal information. There is the hide-and-seek of the ex-wife and the ex-husband
I mentioned. There are other reasons for harassing people, of course. Some people
may have taken offence with your father's business practice and would like to get
even, but decide to take it out on a family member who happens to get in their way
instead. Maybe you have a gay relative who has not come out in his workplace yet.

And, I understand this is not a problem in Israel, in some countries some people
fancy making list of Jews. This is a fear strong enough that the Jewish
communities in Sweden do not collect their membership fees through the tax
returns, even though it would be much cheaper, because that would mean that there
would be a public database of all Jews in the country.

Once again there is no way you can know what concerns are valid for other members
of your family tree, so if you don't have their consent, filter them out before
publishing. As I mentioned, this is actually a EU directive, and one reason I'd
favour to see Israel as member. The same directive also forbids the export of
personal data of non-consenters to a third country which effectively means that
Europeans that participate in the FTJP are breaking the law.

Simon Tardell,
Stockholm, Sweden.


Re: publishing genealogies redux #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I hate to contribute to the beating of this topic to death, but I will anyway.

Why not create two "web sites?"

One web site would leave out all the details and information that relate to
privacy, identify theft, or whatever. That web site would be published to the
Internet and would enable relatives and interested parties to "find" you and
contribute to what you already know.

The second "web site" would contain all the gory details that you have amassed in
your research, but would not be published on the Internet. Instead, it would be
put on a CD. That CD could be cheaply copied and distributed to interested
relatives only, and would provide a means to ensure the preservation of your
research. The cost of a CD and a mailer plus postage would amount to less than $3
each. Send a copy to any relative who sends you $5 to cover your costs. Anyone who
won't pay you $5 for the CD isn't really interested in their family history
anyway. Since it's not in the public eye, no one's privacy should be compromised,
unless you have an identity thief in your family.

It seems to me that two conflicting ends are being mixed together in this
discussion: The need to create a web site so you can be "found" and the need to
provide and preserve your detailed research.

Since one "web site" is a subset of the other, it shouldn't require a whole lot of
additional work. Putting a web site on a CD is also a big advantage for all those
relatives with older, slower computers with dial-up connections. Since everything
is on the CD, it's very fast to zoom around despite connection and/or processor
speed.

<As for the recently dead, a good rule of thumb is to consider the privacy rules
<SNIP>

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing Genealogies #general

Simon Tardell
 

Stan Goodman wrote:

It is indeed possible to bowdlerize a genealogy in deference to the neurotically
defensive. Remember that you are gathering this information as a way to preserve
information for the future, and that anything you omit because the person is
still alive is lost forever -- nobody, after you are gone, is going to fill in
the details as the nervous nellies die off.
I don't agree. The discussion was about publishing as in making publicly available
on the internet. No information is *lost* if you choose not to do that, or if you
choose to omit data on living people when publishing. The data in your unpublished
database remains. Also, this is not an all-or-nothing situation. Sharing your
data, your full data, with family you know and trust, is an entirely different
matter.

What is true is that it is foolish in many ways to publish sensitive and
identifying details, sometimes even of dead persons. Dates/places of birth,
marriage, and death are already matters of public record. You are not releasing
secrets into the public domain by publishing them.
Again, secret is not an absolute, it is the degree of difficulty in obtaining
information. Information available through a search with Google is ostensibly much
less secret than information available through public record only (or being called
out by the gabbai in your local shul). There used to be a sign in railroad cars in
Sweden saying "The opportunity makes the thief", it applies here as well: The more
difficult it is to obtain information, the less likely is it someone will bother
to use it for sinister purposes. If it were otherwise, genealogy would be much
easier.

Also, public record is not unconditionally public. Maybe your cousin has
protected identity and changed names and addresses because her husband used to
beat her up. Maybe *you* got the information on her through some family relation
who didn't realize you were going to publish it on the Internet.

Inevitably this discussion seems to turn to identity theft, and that may be a
problem, but it is definitely not the only problem that can arise >from publishing
personal information. There is the hide-and-seek of the ex-wife and the ex-husband
I mentioned. There are other reasons for harassing people, of course. Some people
may have taken offence with your father's business practice and would like to get
even, but decide to take it out on a family member who happens to get in their way
instead. Maybe you have a gay relative who has not come out in his workplace yet.

And, I understand this is not a problem in Israel, in some countries some people
fancy making list of Jews. This is a fear strong enough that the Jewish
communities in Sweden do not collect their membership fees through the tax
returns, even though it would be much cheaper, because that would mean that there
would be a public database of all Jews in the country.

Once again there is no way you can know what concerns are valid for other members
of your family tree, so if you don't have their consent, filter them out before
publishing. As I mentioned, this is actually a EU directive, and one reason I'd
favour to see Israel as member. The same directive also forbids the export of
personal data of non-consenters to a third country which effectively means that
Europeans that participate in the FTJP are breaking the law.

Simon Tardell,
Stockholm, Sweden.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: publishing genealogies redux #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I hate to contribute to the beating of this topic to death, but I will anyway.

Why not create two "web sites?"

One web site would leave out all the details and information that relate to
privacy, identify theft, or whatever. That web site would be published to the
Internet and would enable relatives and interested parties to "find" you and
contribute to what you already know.

The second "web site" would contain all the gory details that you have amassed in
your research, but would not be published on the Internet. Instead, it would be
put on a CD. That CD could be cheaply copied and distributed to interested
relatives only, and would provide a means to ensure the preservation of your
research. The cost of a CD and a mailer plus postage would amount to less than $3
each. Send a copy to any relative who sends you $5 to cover your costs. Anyone who
won't pay you $5 for the CD isn't really interested in their family history
anyway. Since it's not in the public eye, no one's privacy should be compromised,
unless you have an identity thief in your family.

It seems to me that two conflicting ends are being mixed together in this
discussion: The need to create a web site so you can be "found" and the need to
provide and preserve your detailed research.

Since one "web site" is a subset of the other, it shouldn't require a whole lot of
additional work. Putting a web site on a CD is also a big advantage for all those
relatives with older, slower computers with dial-up connections. Since everything
is on the CD, it's very fast to zoom around despite connection and/or processor
speed.

<As for the recently dead, a good rule of thumb is to consider the privacy rules
<SNIP>

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA


Kamenets Podolskiy City-State Archive #ukraine

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Does anyone know the current status of the records >from this archive, which
had a fire several years ago?

Is there a date by which the records will be accessible again?

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kamenets Podolskiy City-State Archive #ukraine

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Does anyone know the current status of the records >from this archive, which
had a fire several years ago?

Is there a date by which the records will be accessible again?

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


Somerset West Strand New Shul dedication #southafrica

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

It is a great pleasure to announce that at long last
a new Synagogue is being dedicated in the Country Communities
of South Africa.

What a wonderful change >from only hearing about communities
closing down. How many other Jewish Communities have
re-strengthened and re-dedicated Synagogues?

A very hearty Mazaltov to the

SOMERSET WEST STRAND HEBREW CONGREGATION
who are celebrating their Dedication ceremony shortly.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Somerset West Strand New Shul dedication #southafrica

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

It is a great pleasure to announce that at long last
a new Synagogue is being dedicated in the Country Communities
of South Africa.

What a wonderful change >from only hearing about communities
closing down. How many other Jewish Communities have
re-strengthened and re-dedicated Synagogues?

A very hearty Mazaltov to the

SOMERSET WEST STRAND HEBREW CONGREGATION
who are celebrating their Dedication ceremony shortly.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il


LINKING THE THREADS, A Tribute to a Litvak Tailor #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

I am posting this announcement as a one off, of interest to Litvaks and
South African Jews.

Saul Issroff



LINKING THE THREADS,

A Tribute to a Litvak Tailor

An historical and romantic novel by Hilary Rudick


The smell of Bobba's cooking pervades the pages of this novel. The Yiddish
speaking characters bring back the memories of our grandparents and all the
questions we never knew to ask them.

from the tailors emigration to South Africa, we read of the early years in
Port Elizabeth, later moving to a Lowveld setting where the joys of a
privileged farm life make one long for the bushveld, and the distant roar of
the lions.

The writer's difficulties are compounded when she is faced with having to
find medical treatment before the days when chemotherapy was readily being
used. This led her to Britain and tells the story of admirable courage and a
need to survive. After her husband dies she emigrates herself and re lives
her grandparents earlier journey by being an immigrant herself.

Years of regret become determination as the writer sets out to explore the
history of her great grandparents and find the answers to her heritage.

An invitation to create Art work for a Museum in Vilnius presents her with
the opportunity to travel to Lithuania and begin an Eastern European
adventure.

Linking the threads is told through the eyes of the couple who only exist in
an old photograph.

Like the threads and jewels woven into this saga, so are the stories of
survival that begin in the shtetl and end in the comforts of an English
garden.

People interested in genealogy, Yiddish cooking, South Africa and London, as
well as Yiddish speakers will relish the story in this new novel.


LINKING THE THREADS , A TRIBUTE TO A LITVAK TAILOR

By HILARY RUDICK

ISBN 1-4196-0998-X

Publisher: Booksurge LLC, Booksurge.com

See http://newspad.prweb.com/pr/20058/pr269147.html


Re: pulde,pulda, and puldey families #southafrica

mgetz@...
 

Abel was part of a region that centered on Rakashik (Rokiskis). Linda Cantor
is an authority for this region and may be able to help you. I will try to
contact her.

Mike Getz

----- Original Message -----
From: "peapod2" <peapod2@insightbb.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:01 AM
Subject: [safrica] pulde,pulda, and puldey families


Dear Genners: Is any one doing family tree hunting on the Pulda,Pulde,or
Puldey >from Abel,Lithuania? thank you Mike klass


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica LINKING THE THREADS, A Tribute to a Litvak Tailor #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

I am posting this announcement as a one off, of interest to Litvaks and
South African Jews.

Saul Issroff



LINKING THE THREADS,

A Tribute to a Litvak Tailor

An historical and romantic novel by Hilary Rudick


The smell of Bobba's cooking pervades the pages of this novel. The Yiddish
speaking characters bring back the memories of our grandparents and all the
questions we never knew to ask them.

from the tailors emigration to South Africa, we read of the early years in
Port Elizabeth, later moving to a Lowveld setting where the joys of a
privileged farm life make one long for the bushveld, and the distant roar of
the lions.

The writer's difficulties are compounded when she is faced with having to
find medical treatment before the days when chemotherapy was readily being
used. This led her to Britain and tells the story of admirable courage and a
need to survive. After her husband dies she emigrates herself and re lives
her grandparents earlier journey by being an immigrant herself.

Years of regret become determination as the writer sets out to explore the
history of her great grandparents and find the answers to her heritage.

An invitation to create Art work for a Museum in Vilnius presents her with
the opportunity to travel to Lithuania and begin an Eastern European
adventure.

Linking the threads is told through the eyes of the couple who only exist in
an old photograph.

Like the threads and jewels woven into this saga, so are the stories of
survival that begin in the shtetl and end in the comforts of an English
garden.

People interested in genealogy, Yiddish cooking, South Africa and London, as
well as Yiddish speakers will relish the story in this new novel.


LINKING THE THREADS , A TRIBUTE TO A LITVAK TAILOR

By HILARY RUDICK

ISBN 1-4196-0998-X

Publisher: Booksurge LLC, Booksurge.com

See http://newspad.prweb.com/pr/20058/pr269147.html


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: pulde,pulda, and puldey families #southafrica

mgetz@...
 

Abel was part of a region that centered on Rakashik (Rokiskis). Linda Cantor
is an authority for this region and may be able to help you. I will try to
contact her.

Mike Getz

----- Original Message -----
From: "peapod2" <peapod2@insightbb.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:01 AM
Subject: [safrica] pulde,pulda, and puldey families


Dear Genners: Is any one doing family tree hunting on the Pulda,Pulde,or
Puldey >from Abel,Lithuania? thank you Mike klass


KRAVETSKY family of Kamentz Litovsk and Odessa #ukraine

Jenni Hymoff Koeppel
 

Hello All,

My ggf Khaim Mordko KRAVETSKY (born in Kamenets Litovsk, son of Leib Abraham
KRAVETSKY) had a brother named TSALKO KRAVETSKY, married to a lady called
Rukhlya and they in turn had three children that we know of, Avrum, born in
1895, Nekha, born in 1898 and Feiga Dvorya, born in 1900, all in Odessa.

If anyone can recognise this family, please contact us (we have found them
through the Odessa Archives so the connection is documented).

As far as we know, the family lost contact when Khaim (Max) emigrated to
Boston with his family, so we have no idea where they might have ended up.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jenni Hymoff
Canary Islands
Researching KRAVETSKY and REDLER - Odessa ad surrounding areas
HYMOFF and KADETSKY - Poland


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine KRAVETSKY family of Kamentz Litovsk and Odessa #ukraine

Jenni Hymoff Koeppel
 

Hello All,

My ggf Khaim Mordko KRAVETSKY (born in Kamenets Litovsk, son of Leib Abraham
KRAVETSKY) had a brother named TSALKO KRAVETSKY, married to a lady called
Rukhlya and they in turn had three children that we know of, Avrum, born in
1895, Nekha, born in 1898 and Feiga Dvorya, born in 1900, all in Odessa.

If anyone can recognise this family, please contact us (we have found them
through the Odessa Archives so the connection is documented).

As far as we know, the family lost contact when Khaim (Max) emigrated to
Boston with his family, so we have no idea where they might have ended up.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jenni Hymoff
Canary Islands
Researching KRAVETSKY and REDLER - Odessa ad surrounding areas
HYMOFF and KADETSKY - Poland