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Re: INTRO - Researching Elizabeth Babetta VOGEL SILVERFRIEND #germany

Lars E. Menk <Lmenk@...>
 

Patrick Joseph Fish wrote on GerSig:

My primary research goals now are to find out: exact birth and emigration
information on Babetta >from Germany. I believe she emigrated to Canada via USA
in 1861 or 1862 to marry Moses SILVERFRIEND. Babetta's sister (Mrs. David
HAMMEL)of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada was the match maker.

Lars Menk replies:

David HAMMEL of Hamilton was born on 26 Nov 1838 in Gemuenden im Hunsrueck,
Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany, son of the butcher and cattle dealer Loeb
HAMMEL (Gemuenden, 24 Apr 1803 - 09 Feb 1857, Gemuenden) and his wife
Friederica GAMIEL (Argenschwang near Bad Kreuznach, ca. 1798 - 1884, New
London, WI). He emigrated to the USA in ca. 1851/52 and was living in
Syracuse, NY (1851-53), in Ithaca, NY (1853/54), in Hamilton, Ontario
(1857-66), in Appleton, WI (1866-1907), in Austin, Minnesota (1907-20), in
Chicago, IL (1920-28). >from 1900 to 1906, he was the mayor of Appleton. He
died in Chicago on 13 Oct 1928. On 21 Jan 1861, he was married to Helena
VOGEL, b. 24 Jun 1840 in Hennweiler near Kirn in the Hunsrueck.

Most of the information concerning the emigration of Jewish families from
Gemuenden to the territory of the Great Lakes (Appleton; Milwaukee;
Syracuse) in the mid-19th century stems >from John Henry RICHTER z"l.

A VOGEL family was living in Hennweiler in 1824. - It is possible that
Helena VOGEL's father was born in nearby Gemuenden, one of the sons of the
musician Isaac Aaron VOGEL (b. 31 Oct 1791; 1808 -63 living in Gemuenden)
and his wife Etel "Elisabeth" Mauses. (There is no trace in Gemuenden of
their sons Jacob VOGEL, b. 24 Mar 1817; Michel VOGEL, b. 13 Jul 1819; Marcus
VOGEL, b. 04 Mar 1821, Ludwig VOGEL, b. 28 Oct 1822.)

The SILVERFRIEND - SILBERFREUND family might have come >from Kraków, Galicia
(today in Poland).

Good luck with the further research.

Kind regards & Shalom,

Lars Menk Berlin, Germany Lmenk@gmx.net


German SIG #Germany Re: INTRO - Researching Elizabeth Babetta VOGEL SILVERFRIEND #germany

Lars E. Menk <Lmenk@...>
 

Patrick Joseph Fish wrote on GerSig:

My primary research goals now are to find out: exact birth and emigration
information on Babetta >from Germany. I believe she emigrated to Canada via USA
in 1861 or 1862 to marry Moses SILVERFRIEND. Babetta's sister (Mrs. David
HAMMEL)of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada was the match maker.

Lars Menk replies:

David HAMMEL of Hamilton was born on 26 Nov 1838 in Gemuenden im Hunsrueck,
Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany, son of the butcher and cattle dealer Loeb
HAMMEL (Gemuenden, 24 Apr 1803 - 09 Feb 1857, Gemuenden) and his wife
Friederica GAMIEL (Argenschwang near Bad Kreuznach, ca. 1798 - 1884, New
London, WI). He emigrated to the USA in ca. 1851/52 and was living in
Syracuse, NY (1851-53), in Ithaca, NY (1853/54), in Hamilton, Ontario
(1857-66), in Appleton, WI (1866-1907), in Austin, Minnesota (1907-20), in
Chicago, IL (1920-28). >from 1900 to 1906, he was the mayor of Appleton. He
died in Chicago on 13 Oct 1928. On 21 Jan 1861, he was married to Helena
VOGEL, b. 24 Jun 1840 in Hennweiler near Kirn in the Hunsrueck.

Most of the information concerning the emigration of Jewish families from
Gemuenden to the territory of the Great Lakes (Appleton; Milwaukee;
Syracuse) in the mid-19th century stems >from John Henry RICHTER z"l.

A VOGEL family was living in Hennweiler in 1824. - It is possible that
Helena VOGEL's father was born in nearby Gemuenden, one of the sons of the
musician Isaac Aaron VOGEL (b. 31 Oct 1791; 1808 -63 living in Gemuenden)
and his wife Etel "Elisabeth" Mauses. (There is no trace in Gemuenden of
their sons Jacob VOGEL, b. 24 Mar 1817; Michel VOGEL, b. 13 Jul 1819; Marcus
VOGEL, b. 04 Mar 1821, Ludwig VOGEL, b. 28 Oct 1822.)

The SILVERFRIEND - SILBERFREUND family might have come >from Kraków, Galicia
(today in Poland).

Good luck with the further research.

Kind regards & Shalom,

Lars Menk Berlin, Germany Lmenk@gmx.net


Translation od death certificate of WW1 soldier #germany

Neustaedter David <davidn@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: When you request help with language translation please
tell us the original language and the language of the requested translation. MOD1

Hello to all,
I received this document about an uncle that died in WW1.
Would someone be so kind as to translate this doc.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3D6697

Please respond privately. Thank you for your assistance.

David Neustaedter Nazareth Illit, Israel


German SIG #Germany Translation od death certificate of WW1 soldier #germany

Neustaedter David <davidn@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: When you request help with language translation please
tell us the original language and the language of the requested translation. MOD1

Hello to all,
I received this document about an uncle that died in WW1.
Would someone be so kind as to translate this doc.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3D6697

Please respond privately. Thank you for your assistance.

David Neustaedter Nazareth Illit, Israel


Biography of Oscar WASSERMANN #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Today's "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" (August 23, 2005) which is
published daily in Frankfurt am Main printed a review of the following title:

Barkai, Avraham: Oscar Wassermann und die Deutsche Bank. Munich:
publisher C.H. Beck, 2005. 181 pages. Euro 22,90.

>from the text the following dates are accessible:

WASSERMANN, Oscar, born 1869 as one of nine children of the banker Emil
WASSERMANN in Bamberg. A brother Max WASSERMANN is also mentioned. Oscar
became banker, too, was a leading manager of the Deutsche Bank >from 1912
until 1933 when the bank dismissed him even before it had to. He died 1934.

I have not seen the book. The review is accessible through the address
(in one line)

http://www.faz.net/IN/INtemplates/faznet/default.asp?term=Wassermann&tpl=common%2F
suche_erg.asp&cboTxtPrt=1&chkRubAll=1&chkRubPolitik=0&chkRubGesellschaft=0&chkRub
Wirtschaft=0&chkRubFinanzen=0&chkRubSport=0&chkRubFeuilleton=0&chkRubReiseWissen
Technik=0&suchzeitraum=3&txtFromDate=&txtToDate=

or through the address

www.faz.net

and "Suche".
I also have a paper copy.

With kind regards

Fritz Neubauer Bielefeld, Germany


German SIG #Germany Biography of Oscar WASSERMANN #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Today's "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" (August 23, 2005) which is
published daily in Frankfurt am Main printed a review of the following title:

Barkai, Avraham: Oscar Wassermann und die Deutsche Bank. Munich:
publisher C.H. Beck, 2005. 181 pages. Euro 22,90.

>from the text the following dates are accessible:

WASSERMANN, Oscar, born 1869 as one of nine children of the banker Emil
WASSERMANN in Bamberg. A brother Max WASSERMANN is also mentioned. Oscar
became banker, too, was a leading manager of the Deutsche Bank >from 1912
until 1933 when the bank dismissed him even before it had to. He died 1934.

I have not seen the book. The review is accessible through the address
(in one line)

http://www.faz.net/IN/INtemplates/faznet/default.asp?term=Wassermann&tpl=common%2F
suche_erg.asp&cboTxtPrt=1&chkRubAll=1&chkRubPolitik=0&chkRubGesellschaft=0&chkRub
Wirtschaft=0&chkRubFinanzen=0&chkRubSport=0&chkRubFeuilleton=0&chkRubReiseWissen
Technik=0&suchzeitraum=3&txtFromDate=&txtToDate=

or through the address

www.faz.net

and "Suche".
I also have a paper copy.

With kind regards

Fritz Neubauer Bielefeld, Germany


Re: LBI - The Charles Stanton Family Tree collection (mostly Franconia) #germany

paulaz@...
 

Although I have only "title page" German (as one of my library school professors
called it), LBI is rich in English language materials! Most notable is the Charles
Stanton collection of family histories which included some of my Cincinnati
forebears. Not only was there any early version of a family tree (I have
contributed the latest version) but it included correspondence >from and to
Mr. Stanton. I had heard of an extensive tree of another branch which is also
there and it was interesting to note that my ancestor was an afterthought for
the person who did the tree! Staff is wonderful and Karen Franklin knows it all!

Paula Zieselman New York city paulaz@ix.netcom.com

MODERATOR COMMENT - Many of us owe thanks to Charles Stanton for the + /- 2,000
family tree charts which he constructed by hand and shared generously with all.
Likewise to the Stanton family for donating this collection to the LBI.

It would be wonderful if these trees could be made available via the Internet but
this would be a very expensive project. MegaMillion Lottery winners who are
also GerSIG members - please keep this in mind. MOD1


German SIG #Germany Re: LBI - The Charles Stanton Family Tree collection (mostly Franconia) #germany

paulaz@...
 

Although I have only "title page" German (as one of my library school professors
called it), LBI is rich in English language materials! Most notable is the Charles
Stanton collection of family histories which included some of my Cincinnati
forebears. Not only was there any early version of a family tree (I have
contributed the latest version) but it included correspondence >from and to
Mr. Stanton. I had heard of an extensive tree of another branch which is also
there and it was interesting to note that my ancestor was an afterthought for
the person who did the tree! Staff is wonderful and Karen Franklin knows it all!

Paula Zieselman New York city paulaz@ix.netcom.com

MODERATOR COMMENT - Many of us owe thanks to Charles Stanton for the + /- 2,000
family tree charts which he constructed by hand and shared generously with all.
Likewise to the Stanton family for donating this collection to the LBI.

It would be wonderful if these trees could be made available via the Internet but
this would be a very expensive project. MegaMillion Lottery winners who are
also GerSIG members - please keep this in mind. MOD1


Re: Translation of German death certificate - WW1 soldier - View Mate #germany

Neustaedter David <davidn@...>
 

Dear Moderator,

You are quite right. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
The language in the document is German (Sutterlin)and I would like it
translated to English. Thank you once again.

David Neustaedter Nazareth Illit, Israel

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German SIG #Germany RE: Translation of German death certificate - WW1 soldier - View Mate #germany

Neustaedter David <davidn@...>
 

Dear Moderator,

You are quite right. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
The language in the document is German (Sutterlin)and I would like it
translated to English. Thank you once again.

David Neustaedter Nazareth Illit, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: We have been having technical problems with the View Mate system.
If you are not able to reach the View Mate site at JewishGen please try again
in a day or more.


Re: INTRO- researching ABRAHAM family from Baden early 19th Century #germany

Brian Stern <brians99@...>
 

Rebecca Stoneham is seeking information about her gg-grandfather Israel
(Ira) ABRAHAM, born 1838 in Baden.
If you search the "Jewish Records at the Family History Library Database"
at JewishGen you'll find that they hold BMD records for Strumpfelbrunn in
Baden. These will likely have the birth record for your man and other
records for his family.

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/FHLC/

Most of the Baden metrical records have been filmed by the FHL.

Brian Stern Lexington, KY <brians99@earthlink.net>


German SIG #Germany RE: INTRO- researching ABRAHAM family from Baden early 19th Century #germany

Brian Stern <brians99@...>
 

Rebecca Stoneham is seeking information about her gg-grandfather Israel
(Ira) ABRAHAM, born 1838 in Baden.
If you search the "Jewish Records at the Family History Library Database"
at JewishGen you'll find that they hold BMD records for Strumpfelbrunn in
Baden. These will likely have the birth record for your man and other
records for his family.

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/FHLC/

Most of the Baden metrical records have been filmed by the FHL.

Brian Stern Lexington, KY <brians99@earthlink.net>


Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Yisrael Asper
 

I have relatives who are by now very distant in relationship and don't need a
genealogist to tell them they are related. All they have to do is look at a
wedding invitation. They would be insulted to be kicked out of a tree or a
wedding invitation. How I would get information on them is like anyone in the
family. When there are as I said settled conditions you can have two people
being the farthest distant cousins and it wouldn't make a difference. Jews have
unfortunately experienced too many unsettled conditions. I doubt Franklin Delano
Roosevelt wondered if he could call Eleanor Roosevelt his fifth cousin on a family
tree only, or a full fledged cousin to be invited to a family wedding
even before their own. I must say Nick that until you brought it up I thought I
was perhaps the only one on the planet to make a distinction between a family
tree relative and a "Relative." The problem is more trying to convince relatives
you really are a relative on a tree even. If not for the Holocaust a lot of
relatives would have known of each other's existence. I had so many relatives
living in Vienna, Austria before the war. It would have looked funny for them to
put a division between them. After the Holocaust you
had searches made for relatives. A failed attempt by a parent or grandparent
should mean the end of a search? Not for me. If information is out there you can
get it. How you use it online should be as discreet as you would want for your
nondiscovery needed family. One problem which had been in the Holocaust
generation that we may not have experienced directly but has caused also
genealogical ignorance was\is the phenomenon of children (by now parents and
grandparents themselves) being afraid to ask their parents about their family
too much for fear of causing them pain. This phenomenon probably was repeated
throughout Jewish history.

Yisrael Asper [Descendent of the Noda Byehuda, the Magen Avraham, the Pnei
Yehoshua, the daughter of the Yismach Moshe and a sister of Rav Meir Arak and
thus a descendent of the Taz and his fatherinlaw the Bach. My father's father
was a Gerer Chassid born and partially raised in London and later in Lodz who
was a Shochet and Bodek in Bnei Brak called Rav Yitzchak Yerachmiel Aspes. His
father was called Rav Shraga Feivel Aspes >from Lodz. Rav Shraga Feivel Aspes
was >from the family Ashpez. Either his wife or him had a sister married to a
Grunblatt who was the grandmother of Rabbi Joseph Grunblatt.]
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

...we Jews and genealogists are part of the society we live in, and...
protections have been set up for a reason.

Nick Landau
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Yisrael Asper
 

I have relatives who are by now very distant in relationship and don't need a
genealogist to tell them they are related. All they have to do is look at a
wedding invitation. They would be insulted to be kicked out of a tree or a
wedding invitation. How I would get information on them is like anyone in the
family. When there are as I said settled conditions you can have two people
being the farthest distant cousins and it wouldn't make a difference. Jews have
unfortunately experienced too many unsettled conditions. I doubt Franklin Delano
Roosevelt wondered if he could call Eleanor Roosevelt his fifth cousin on a family
tree only, or a full fledged cousin to be invited to a family wedding
even before their own. I must say Nick that until you brought it up I thought I
was perhaps the only one on the planet to make a distinction between a family
tree relative and a "Relative." The problem is more trying to convince relatives
you really are a relative on a tree even. If not for the Holocaust a lot of
relatives would have known of each other's existence. I had so many relatives
living in Vienna, Austria before the war. It would have looked funny for them to
put a division between them. After the Holocaust you
had searches made for relatives. A failed attempt by a parent or grandparent
should mean the end of a search? Not for me. If information is out there you can
get it. How you use it online should be as discreet as you would want for your
nondiscovery needed family. One problem which had been in the Holocaust
generation that we may not have experienced directly but has caused also
genealogical ignorance was\is the phenomenon of children (by now parents and
grandparents themselves) being afraid to ask their parents about their family
too much for fear of causing them pain. This phenomenon probably was repeated
throughout Jewish history.

Yisrael Asper [Descendent of the Noda Byehuda, the Magen Avraham, the Pnei
Yehoshua, the daughter of the Yismach Moshe and a sister of Rav Meir Arak and
thus a descendent of the Taz and his fatherinlaw the Bach. My father's father
was a Gerer Chassid born and partially raised in London and later in Lodz who
was a Shochet and Bodek in Bnei Brak called Rav Yitzchak Yerachmiel Aspes. His
father was called Rav Shraga Feivel Aspes >from Lodz. Rav Shraga Feivel Aspes
was >from the family Ashpez. Either his wife or him had a sister married to a
Grunblatt who was the grandmother of Rabbi Joseph Grunblatt.]
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

...we Jews and genealogists are part of the society we live in, and...
protections have been set up for a reason.

Nick Landau
London, UK


Re: locating JGS information #general

steven weiss <szome@...>
 

One can no longer get to a list of Jewish Genealogical Societies >from the
JewishGen home page. The list can be found at the home page of The
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies
http://www.iajgs.org/

Steven Weiss
Chicago
SHVARTSBERG and KANTOR >from Rokiskis District, Lithuania
SZULMAJSTER >from Opatow and Staszow in Poland
LISHNOFSKI >from the Crimea
VOLK >from Pazelva, Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: locating JGS information #general

steven weiss <szome@...>
 

One can no longer get to a list of Jewish Genealogical Societies >from the
JewishGen home page. The list can be found at the home page of The
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies
http://www.iajgs.org/

Steven Weiss
Chicago
SHVARTSBERG and KANTOR >from Rokiskis District, Lithuania
SZULMAJSTER >from Opatow and Staszow in Poland
LISHNOFSKI >from the Crimea
VOLK >from Pazelva, Lithuania


Scranton / Dalton, PA Area #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

Is there anyone living in this area that could help me by taking a
gravestone photo? Pls. respond by e-mail to highwind1@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Scranton / Dalton, PA Area #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

Is there anyone living in this area that could help me by taking a
gravestone photo? Pls. respond by e-mail to highwind1@comcast.net


Fate of Heinrich MALZ? #general

Doug Mason
 

My father's brother Heinrich MALZ was born in Vienna on 1 January 1910.

The family has always "known" he was murdered in KZ, so you can imagine my
shocked surprise (and family's total disbelief) when I read on the
Jewishgen Dachau database that he was freed at Kaufering (a sub-camp of
Dachau). I have seen a copy of the Dachau release book, and it confirms
the accuracy of the record on the Jewishgen database.

Heinrich was deported >from Vienna to Theresienstadt and on 29 Sept 1944
was sent to Auschwitz. The transport was onforwarded to Dachau, where he
is recorded as having been released.

My mother's brother, Alois JELLINEK was also sent to Theresienstadt (>from
Prague) and was sent to Auschwitz on the same train as Heinrich. Alois was
therefore sent on to Dachau where he was released. Alois died in Vienna
about 10 years ago.This shows it is likely that Heinrich was actually
released. Heinrich's wife was sent >from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz, where
she was murdered.

Where do I find what happened to Heinrich? Just to limit the number of
suggestions, these are the places I have already asked, without success:

National Australia Archives
Doew, Vienna
Dachau Memorial
Auschwitz Memorial
Magistrat 61, Vienna
IKG-Wien
NARA, USA
USHMM
Yad Vashem
Mrs Yaffa Golan
Magistrat 8, Vienna
Nationalfonds, Vienna
Olga Kaczmar
United Nations

I currently have an enquiry with the International Tracing Service through
the local Red Cross, but given my experience to date and the anticipated
long time for any reply, I want to continue my own reserach.

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fate of Heinrich MALZ? #general

Doug Mason
 

My father's brother Heinrich MALZ was born in Vienna on 1 January 1910.

The family has always "known" he was murdered in KZ, so you can imagine my
shocked surprise (and family's total disbelief) when I read on the
Jewishgen Dachau database that he was freed at Kaufering (a sub-camp of
Dachau). I have seen a copy of the Dachau release book, and it confirms
the accuracy of the record on the Jewishgen database.

Heinrich was deported >from Vienna to Theresienstadt and on 29 Sept 1944
was sent to Auschwitz. The transport was onforwarded to Dachau, where he
is recorded as having been released.

My mother's brother, Alois JELLINEK was also sent to Theresienstadt (>from
Prague) and was sent to Auschwitz on the same train as Heinrich. Alois was
therefore sent on to Dachau where he was released. Alois died in Vienna
about 10 years ago.This shows it is likely that Heinrich was actually
released. Heinrich's wife was sent >from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz, where
she was murdered.

Where do I find what happened to Heinrich? Just to limit the number of
suggestions, these are the places I have already asked, without success:

National Australia Archives
Doew, Vienna
Dachau Memorial
Auschwitz Memorial
Magistrat 61, Vienna
IKG-Wien
NARA, USA
USHMM
Yad Vashem
Mrs Yaffa Golan
Magistrat 8, Vienna
Nationalfonds, Vienna
Olga Kaczmar
United Nations

I currently have an enquiry with the International Tracing Service through
the local Red Cross, but given my experience to date and the anticipated
long time for any reply, I want to continue my own reserach.

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia