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Re: Finding the town of origin of an early immigrant to US #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear Shari,
Rotterdam departures may be available, depending on which ship your relative
traveled on. The Mormon Library has departure records of the Holland-America line
on microfiche. There is both an index and the actual passenger lists. Since this
is fiche, once you've ordered it, your local library gets to keep it forever.

I did a bit of research, and the P. Caland was indeed a Holland-America ship,
built in 1874. So you ought to be able to manage your way through the index and
find the original record.

Please note that, of course, the records are in Dutch . . . Which, using our
familiar Latin alphabet, isn't too hard to work through.

In my research, I came across a website which sells original ship memorabilia,
including passenger lists. For the P. Caland, they have pasenger lists >from 1891
and 1892. The website is <http://www.oceanliner.com/passlist.htm>. I have no
personal interest in this website.


Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 10:19 PM 8/28/2005, Shari Kantrow wrote:
NYC censuses list him as being >from Russia in 1900 and Poland in 1920. The 1910
Manhattan,NY census perhaps being more detailed, lists him as being >from
Russian/Poland. What do I do now in order to obtain his town of origin? Is there
a way to order records of departures >from Rotterdam? Has anyone had this
problem?
***
MODERATOR NOTE: This website does not guarantee passenger lists >from specific
voyages.


Finding Town of Origin: the 1942 "Old Mens" Draft #general

phylliskramer1@...
 

Shari Kantrow asked how to find her grandfather's birth town. There is a wonderful
source I've used when i had no other place to go........the Old Men's draft - in
1942 all men born between 1877 and 1897 had to register. They completed these
draft cards, which asked for place of birth. The registrations are in the local
NARA (ie: Massachusetts for Boston, NYC for NY) and are indexed by county (ie:
Bronx, Brooklyn), then by surname. When I use this resource, I also look around
for relatives of the same surname.
Happy Hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, Wilton, Conn & Palm Beach, Fla
PhyllisKramer1@..., researching (mostly Galicia):
STECHER, TRACHMAN,>from Zmigrod, Dukla, Krosno
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from Jasienica
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL >from Strzyzow, Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn (also Iasi, Romania)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding the town of origin of an early immigrant to US #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear Shari,
Rotterdam departures may be available, depending on which ship your relative
traveled on. The Mormon Library has departure records of the Holland-America line
on microfiche. There is both an index and the actual passenger lists. Since this
is fiche, once you've ordered it, your local library gets to keep it forever.

I did a bit of research, and the P. Caland was indeed a Holland-America ship,
built in 1874. So you ought to be able to manage your way through the index and
find the original record.

Please note that, of course, the records are in Dutch . . . Which, using our
familiar Latin alphabet, isn't too hard to work through.

In my research, I came across a website which sells original ship memorabilia,
including passenger lists. For the P. Caland, they have pasenger lists >from 1891
and 1892. The website is <http://www.oceanliner.com/passlist.htm>. I have no
personal interest in this website.


Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 10:19 PM 8/28/2005, Shari Kantrow wrote:
NYC censuses list him as being >from Russia in 1900 and Poland in 1920. The 1910
Manhattan,NY census perhaps being more detailed, lists him as being >from
Russian/Poland. What do I do now in order to obtain his town of origin? Is there
a way to order records of departures >from Rotterdam? Has anyone had this
problem?
***
MODERATOR NOTE: This website does not guarantee passenger lists >from specific
voyages.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding Town of Origin: the 1942 "Old Mens" Draft #general

phylliskramer1@...
 

Shari Kantrow asked how to find her grandfather's birth town. There is a wonderful
source I've used when i had no other place to go........the Old Men's draft - in
1942 all men born between 1877 and 1897 had to register. They completed these
draft cards, which asked for place of birth. The registrations are in the local
NARA (ie: Massachusetts for Boston, NYC for NY) and are indexed by county (ie:
Bronx, Brooklyn), then by surname. When I use this resource, I also look around
for relatives of the same surname.
Happy Hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, Wilton, Conn & Palm Beach, Fla
PhyllisKramer1@..., researching (mostly Galicia):
STECHER, TRACHMAN,>from Zmigrod, Dukla, Krosno
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from Jasienica
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL >from Strzyzow, Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn (also Iasi, Romania)


Punya surname #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear cousins,
According to Alexander Beider (Russian Empire), the name Punya was common in
Bialystok and Bielsk and is related to the name, Pun, which derives >from a town
called Puni in the Troki district (common in Tel'shi, Shavli, Riga, Zhitomir).
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Punya surname #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear cousins,
According to Alexander Beider (Russian Empire), the name Punya was common in
Bialystok and Bielsk and is related to the name, Pun, which derives >from a town
called Puni in the Troki district (common in Tel'shi, Shavli, Riga, Zhitomir).
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


Re: "Avraham Itzhak" #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Doug Mason" <dmason@...> wrote:

Are the names "Abraham" and "Isaac" normally used in conjunction, or is this
combination reserved to this particular situation?
Rav Kook, the first Chief Rabbi of Palestine was "Avraham Yitzhak".

There are about 500 references which contain "Avraham Yitzhak" on Google, although
these do include references such as "Avraham, Yitzhak".

Considering "Abraham Isaac" I wanted to exclude Bibilical and other references. I
found that there were about 5,700 results if one excluded Rav Kook. Naturally
there are duplications.

There are quite a few rabbis of this name besides Rav Kook.

Clearly one can say that it is a very accepted combination.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Avraham Yitzchak #general

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

One of my great-uncles' English name was Abraham Isaac JACOBS. His Declaration of
Intention and Citizenship papers show him as Abraham Isaac JACOBS. His tombstone
reads Avraham Yitzchak ben Yakov.

Perhaps the use of Abraham Isaac or Avraham Yitzchak for adoptees, converts,
orphans, etc. is a custom, however, it does not necessarily mean that is a name
of choosing, but is the person's actual name.

I hope this answers some of the questions.

Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@...
Seraching: EICHLER/JACOBS, Poland, LEAF/LIFSCHITZ/LIEBERMAN, Swisloch,
BERLINER, SIDLER, Ostrolenka, Goworowo.


Re: Pun-yah Surname #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Greg Sampson-Gruener has asked for information on the family surname, wariations
of which may also include: Punya or Puhnya etc... (pronounced: "Puhn-Yah"
according to his family.

Stan Goodman writes: ... Puhn-ya does not sound like a surname that reasonably
might be expected in any part of Europe, East or West, with which I am familiar,
nor does it resemble any name >from North Africa, Turkey, or the Arab world that I
know.

Tilford Bartman however came up with a direct hit fron the family - an Isadore
PUNYA wno changed his name to Isador BECKER in Chicago.

Sadly on Yad Vashem, you see a number of PUNER who came >from Lithuania and PUNIE
from Bialystok. We remember them all here today.
I am not a Polish-speaker and do not know if these might sound phonetically like
PUNYA, but I suspect so.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Avraham Itzhak" #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Doug Mason" <dmason@...> wrote:

Are the names "Abraham" and "Isaac" normally used in conjunction, or is this
combination reserved to this particular situation?
Rav Kook, the first Chief Rabbi of Palestine was "Avraham Yitzhak".

There are about 500 references which contain "Avraham Yitzhak" on Google, although
these do include references such as "Avraham, Yitzhak".

Considering "Abraham Isaac" I wanted to exclude Bibilical and other references. I
found that there were about 5,700 results if one excluded Rav Kook. Naturally
there are duplications.

There are quite a few rabbis of this name besides Rav Kook.

Clearly one can say that it is a very accepted combination.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Avraham Yitzchak #general

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

One of my great-uncles' English name was Abraham Isaac JACOBS. His Declaration of
Intention and Citizenship papers show him as Abraham Isaac JACOBS. His tombstone
reads Avraham Yitzchak ben Yakov.

Perhaps the use of Abraham Isaac or Avraham Yitzchak for adoptees, converts,
orphans, etc. is a custom, however, it does not necessarily mean that is a name
of choosing, but is the person's actual name.

I hope this answers some of the questions.

Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@...
Seraching: EICHLER/JACOBS, Poland, LEAF/LIFSCHITZ/LIEBERMAN, Swisloch,
BERLINER, SIDLER, Ostrolenka, Goworowo.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pun-yah Surname #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Greg Sampson-Gruener has asked for information on the family surname, wariations
of which may also include: Punya or Puhnya etc... (pronounced: "Puhn-Yah"
according to his family.

Stan Goodman writes: ... Puhn-ya does not sound like a surname that reasonably
might be expected in any part of Europe, East or West, with which I am familiar,
nor does it resemble any name >from North Africa, Turkey, or the Arab world that I
know.

Tilford Bartman however came up with a direct hit fron the family - an Isadore
PUNYA wno changed his name to Isador BECKER in Chicago.

Sadly on Yad Vashem, you see a number of PUNER who came >from Lithuania and PUNIE
from Bialystok. We remember them all here today.
I am not a Polish-speaker and do not know if these might sound phonetically like
PUNYA, but I suspect so.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Archives #latvia

Susanne Fleischer <susanne.fleischer@...>
 

Hello!

I am a bit confused. Have tried to find information about my grandparents
family. Acording to the documents when they got their swedish citizenships
they came >from Dysna in the Vilna region. Can't find their names in the ALD
or in the Belarus database. Could you advice me which archive I could
contact with my request. Is there a mailadress to this archive?

Best regards
Susanne Fleischer
Gothenburg
Sweden

researching IOKTON and ISRAETITERN


Latvia SIG #Latvia Archives #latvia

Susanne Fleischer <susanne.fleischer@...>
 

Hello!

I am a bit confused. Have tried to find information about my grandparents
family. Acording to the documents when they got their swedish citizenships
they came >from Dysna in the Vilna region. Can't find their names in the ALD
or in the Belarus database. Could you advice me which archive I could
contact with my request. Is there a mailadress to this archive?

Best regards
Susanne Fleischer
Gothenburg
Sweden

researching IOKTON and ISRAETITERN


Vorochta #ukraine

RonnyMunster@...
 

Dear Genners

I am searching for the likely location of the official records (births,
deaths, marriage and census) for Vorochta, a small village in the Carpathians in
the centre of wood-logging countryside. Although it is relatively close to
Ivano-Frankovsk, it never seems to feature in any records I manage to locate
on-line. Possibly the village was responsible for its own records or maybe
these were kept somewhere else.

I am researching my family MUNSTER/MUENSTER >from this location and have some
old photos of their house pre WW2 and some photos of the same building now
which I managed to obtain >from the last remaining Jew in the village.

Ronny Munster


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Vorochta #ukraine

RonnyMunster@...
 

Dear Genners

I am searching for the likely location of the official records (births,
deaths, marriage and census) for Vorochta, a small village in the Carpathians in
the centre of wood-logging countryside. Although it is relatively close to
Ivano-Frankovsk, it never seems to feature in any records I manage to locate
on-line. Possibly the village was responsible for its own records or maybe
these were kept somewhere else.

I am researching my family MUNSTER/MUENSTER >from this location and have some
old photos of their house pre WW2 and some photos of the same building now
which I managed to obtain >from the last remaining Jew in the village.

Ronny Munster


Need a volunteer to help maintain the Czech IAJGS cemetery project listings #austria-czech

Kitty Munson Cooper
 

I will train any computer literate willing volunteer with word
processing skills, HTML knowledge a bonus but not required (I will
teach you what you need). Language skills a plus.

Due to the unforeseen success of my business, I have fallen way behind
on this project and need some help. Please contact me privately

Kitty Cooper, Albuquerque, NM, USA
@kittymcooper
IAJGS cemetery volunteer webmaster


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Need a volunteer to help maintain the Czech IAJGS cemetery project listings #austria-czech

Kitty Munson Cooper
 

I will train any computer literate willing volunteer with word
processing skills, HTML knowledge a bonus but not required (I will
teach you what you need). Language skills a plus.

Due to the unforeseen success of my business, I have fallen way behind
on this project and need some help. Please contact me privately

Kitty Cooper, Albuquerque, NM, USA
@kittymcooper
IAJGS cemetery volunteer webmaster


Introductions - BERNARD, ADLER, and more #austria-czech

DKBern@...
 

Hello Austria-Czech SIG:

Thank you Sharla for this promotion -- it's a great way to meet the
neighbors! And again, Thank you Celia for all your help. We are all indebted.

About a year after I retired in 1988, I "discovered" that my surname came,
not >from an unknown Frenchman, but >from a Jewish GGF -- Jacob BERNARD who was
enumerated in the 1870 US census in New Jersey -- age 40, native of Bohemia,
Dealer in Clothing. His death record in 1881 identified his parents as Abraham
and Klariena.

A Familiant record for an Abraham BERNARD and Klara (ADLER) BERNARD at Luhov
Manor 10 km. NW of Plzen was found in the Prague Archives. This record also
shows Abraham's parents Simon and Anna SAMLER (sic), his brother Bernard
BERNARD, and two of Abraham's sons -- Philipp and Simon (later called Jole),
but no Jacob. My twelve-year speculation about this being the right family was
confirmed last year when new-found cousins in Brazil (descendants of Jole BERNARD)
confirmed that Jacob was indeed another son of Abraham and Klara.

In the 1793 census, Simon BERNARD was single, living in Dorf Dollana, a
village adjacent to Rakolus (Hracholusky) where Jakob SEMLER and his two
daughters lived. Simon and Anna SEMLER were permitted to marry in 1794.

Abraham BERNARD married Klara ADLER >from Arnetsgruen in 1818. Klara's parents
were Philipp ADLER (aka Feisch Joseph) and Demut WILLNER. If we are correct,
A-C SIG member Caryn ADLER's ancestor was Moises ADLER, Klara's brother --
which makes Caryn my 4th cousin, two generations removed.

Bernard BERNARD, Flusshauspaechter in Rakolus, was permitted to marry in 1823
but whom and where?

Abraham and Klara (later Karolina) BERNARD's sons lived in Staab /Stod about
1850. Abraham applied for a pedlar's license there in 1857. The family is
mentioned in Hugo Gold's 1934 History of Staab -- See translation at Gemeindeview
under "Stod".

Philipp BERNARD married in Plzen in 1852 Caroline HOFMANN of Ullice, dau. of
David HOFMANN and Anna ERDREICH

Their 7 children all born in Stod/Staab:
Maria 1853 -- married Markus KOHN (no further data)
Daniel 1855-1914 -- married Pauline MUELLER in Vienna; their son
Ernst survived Buchenwald; daughters Martha and Kathe escaped to Australia;
dau. Elsa (FRANKL) and family perished at OPOLE
Jakob 1882 - 1936 -- married Berta WEIGL; their son Leo, his wife
Hedwig KRAUS and dau. Zdenka perished at Sobibor; dau. Melanie not found.
Still searching for Phillip's other children: Moises b.1860; David
Leopold 1863; Caroline 1865 and Anna 1867

Jole/Joel BERNARD married Katharina SCHLEISNER >from Ullitz, dau of Samuel and
Katherina WEIS

Their 7 children also all born in Staab / Stod:
Siegfried 1864; Carolina1866; Sofie 1867: Anna 1869; Elenore 1871;
Adelheid 1871; (no further info)
Albert b. 1874 married in Plzen Gabriela POPPER dau. of Markus and
Joanna >from Liblin in 1902. Albert and Gabriela died at Treblinka in 1942.
Their three children escaped to England and South America in 1938/39.

GGF Jacob BERNARD emigrated to St. Louis about 1850, but that's a story for
another day.

Any clues to the families waiting to be found will be sincerely appreciated.

Dave Bernard
Sherborn, Massachusetts

Related families: ADLER, ERDREICH, FRANKL, HOFMANN, KOHN, KRAUS, MUELLER,
POPPER, SCHLEISNER, WEIGL,


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Introductions - BERNARD, ADLER, and more #austria-czech

DKBern@...
 

Hello Austria-Czech SIG:

Thank you Sharla for this promotion -- it's a great way to meet the
neighbors! And again, Thank you Celia for all your help. We are all indebted.

About a year after I retired in 1988, I "discovered" that my surname came,
not >from an unknown Frenchman, but >from a Jewish GGF -- Jacob BERNARD who was
enumerated in the 1870 US census in New Jersey -- age 40, native of Bohemia,
Dealer in Clothing. His death record in 1881 identified his parents as Abraham
and Klariena.

A Familiant record for an Abraham BERNARD and Klara (ADLER) BERNARD at Luhov
Manor 10 km. NW of Plzen was found in the Prague Archives. This record also
shows Abraham's parents Simon and Anna SAMLER (sic), his brother Bernard
BERNARD, and two of Abraham's sons -- Philipp and Simon (later called Jole),
but no Jacob. My twelve-year speculation about this being the right family was
confirmed last year when new-found cousins in Brazil (descendants of Jole BERNARD)
confirmed that Jacob was indeed another son of Abraham and Klara.

In the 1793 census, Simon BERNARD was single, living in Dorf Dollana, a
village adjacent to Rakolus (Hracholusky) where Jakob SEMLER and his two
daughters lived. Simon and Anna SEMLER were permitted to marry in 1794.

Abraham BERNARD married Klara ADLER >from Arnetsgruen in 1818. Klara's parents
were Philipp ADLER (aka Feisch Joseph) and Demut WILLNER. If we are correct,
A-C SIG member Caryn ADLER's ancestor was Moises ADLER, Klara's brother --
which makes Caryn my 4th cousin, two generations removed.

Bernard BERNARD, Flusshauspaechter in Rakolus, was permitted to marry in 1823
but whom and where?

Abraham and Klara (later Karolina) BERNARD's sons lived in Staab /Stod about
1850. Abraham applied for a pedlar's license there in 1857. The family is
mentioned in Hugo Gold's 1934 History of Staab -- See translation at Gemeindeview
under "Stod".

Philipp BERNARD married in Plzen in 1852 Caroline HOFMANN of Ullice, dau. of
David HOFMANN and Anna ERDREICH

Their 7 children all born in Stod/Staab:
Maria 1853 -- married Markus KOHN (no further data)
Daniel 1855-1914 -- married Pauline MUELLER in Vienna; their son
Ernst survived Buchenwald; daughters Martha and Kathe escaped to Australia;
dau. Elsa (FRANKL) and family perished at OPOLE
Jakob 1882 - 1936 -- married Berta WEIGL; their son Leo, his wife
Hedwig KRAUS and dau. Zdenka perished at Sobibor; dau. Melanie not found.
Still searching for Phillip's other children: Moises b.1860; David
Leopold 1863; Caroline 1865 and Anna 1867

Jole/Joel BERNARD married Katharina SCHLEISNER >from Ullitz, dau of Samuel and
Katherina WEIS

Their 7 children also all born in Staab / Stod:
Siegfried 1864; Carolina1866; Sofie 1867: Anna 1869; Elenore 1871;
Adelheid 1871; (no further info)
Albert b. 1874 married in Plzen Gabriela POPPER dau. of Markus and
Joanna >from Liblin in 1902. Albert and Gabriela died at Treblinka in 1942.
Their three children escaped to England and South America in 1938/39.

GGF Jacob BERNARD emigrated to St. Louis about 1850, but that's a story for
another day.

Any clues to the families waiting to be found will be sincerely appreciated.

Dave Bernard
Sherborn, Massachusetts

Related families: ADLER, ERDREICH, FRANKL, HOFMANN, KOHN, KRAUS, MUELLER,
POPPER, SCHLEISNER, WEIGL,