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Re: SATORALJAUJHELY JEWISH RECORDS #hungary

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

There is some information about the reason for the split, although I don't
have time just now to check out what sources I may have (may do so later, or
contact me privately.) I first heard of it in person in Hungary >from the
lay leader of the Nyireghaza (sorry about spelling) congregation when I was
there in 1997.
Basically, the Neolog (Reform/Conservative) group split form the Orthodox
(the Budapest Dohany U. synagogue is Neolog) and the Hasidim split >from the
"regular Orthodox," each over liberal or strict rituals and interpretations.
Also the Hasidim have a distinct approach to Jewish life and ritual which is
very different >from the Mitnagid (Litvak) or German approach, or >from Modern
Orthodoxy today. The Status Quo group in Hungary, a unique approach to
denominations in Judaism (yes, it really called itself "Status Quo") just
wanted things to be they were before the split--you were Jewish, you could
observe or not any way you wanted, but you all went to shul together and
were Jewish!
Lynn Saul
Tucson AZ
Researching FRIEDMAN, CZINNER, PERLSTEIN, SCHOENBERGER, HOLLOS,
Satoraljaujhely, Porosko, Kolosvar, Cegled, Budapest

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Breslau" <sinespam@comcast.net>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] SATORALJAUJHELY JEWISH RECORDS


Andres, this is very interesting. My gggm, Regina Schreiber, and ggf
Samuel Schreiber immigrated to the United States in 1887, very possibly
from Satoraljaujhely. Are there any histories that tell why this
division happened? I'm wondering if this prompted their leaving.

Thanks,

Dan Breslau
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: SATORALJAUJHELY JEWISH RECORDS #hungary

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

There is some information about the reason for the split, although I don't
have time just now to check out what sources I may have (may do so later, or
contact me privately.) I first heard of it in person in Hungary >from the
lay leader of the Nyireghaza (sorry about spelling) congregation when I was
there in 1997.
Basically, the Neolog (Reform/Conservative) group split form the Orthodox
(the Budapest Dohany U. synagogue is Neolog) and the Hasidim split >from the
"regular Orthodox," each over liberal or strict rituals and interpretations.
Also the Hasidim have a distinct approach to Jewish life and ritual which is
very different >from the Mitnagid (Litvak) or German approach, or >from Modern
Orthodoxy today. The Status Quo group in Hungary, a unique approach to
denominations in Judaism (yes, it really called itself "Status Quo") just
wanted things to be they were before the split--you were Jewish, you could
observe or not any way you wanted, but you all went to shul together and
were Jewish!
Lynn Saul
Tucson AZ
Researching FRIEDMAN, CZINNER, PERLSTEIN, SCHOENBERGER, HOLLOS,
Satoraljaujhely, Porosko, Kolosvar, Cegled, Budapest

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Breslau" <sinespam@comcast.net>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] SATORALJAUJHELY JEWISH RECORDS


Andres, this is very interesting. My gggm, Regina Schreiber, and ggf
Samuel Schreiber immigrated to the United States in 1887, very possibly
from Satoraljaujhely. Are there any histories that tell why this
division happened? I'm wondering if this prompted their leaving.

Thanks,

Dan Breslau
MODERATOR NOTE: We are starting to move away >from genealogy with this discussion. Messages of genealogical relevance will still be posted. All other comments, please continue privately.


Seeking Death Place For Isadore Rakoff-New Montefiore Cemetery-6/14/1938 #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I am trying to get a death record for a great-great-uncle of mine, but
am having trouble. His name was Isadore RAKOFF. He was brother to my
great-grandfather David RAKOFF. I have found out that Isadore is buried
along with his son in New Montefiore Cemetery in Suffolk County New
York. I also have his date of death provided by the
cemetery(6/14/1938), But they could not provide the place of death. I
am assuming he died in new york, since he is buried in New york, but
that is not always the case. I am seeking help >from anyone who might be
able to help me in this area. He was 50 years of age when he died, and
was originally >from russia.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Death Place For Isadore Rakoff-New Montefiore Cemetery-6/14/1938 #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I am trying to get a death record for a great-great-uncle of mine, but
am having trouble. His name was Isadore RAKOFF. He was brother to my
great-grandfather David RAKOFF. I have found out that Isadore is buried
along with his son in New Montefiore Cemetery in Suffolk County New
York. I also have his date of death provided by the
cemetery(6/14/1938), But they could not provide the place of death. I
am assuming he died in new york, since he is buried in New york, but
that is not always the case. I am seeking help >from anyone who might be
able to help me in this area. He was 50 years of age when he died, and
was originally >from russia.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


Seeking Obits & Dates Of Death For Mendelson Relatives-Samuel & Wife Emma #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I am tying to find the date of deaths and obits On Samuel & Emma
MENDELSON but I am having no luck. I am pretty sure they both died in
new york. Samuel Mendelson was the uncle to my grandmother
Ruth(RAKOFF)FAIKES and sister To my great-grandmother
Anna(mendelson)Rakoff. Emma was sam's wife. I believe samuel probably
died later than 1949. All help is appreciated.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Obits & Dates Of Death For Mendelson Relatives-Samuel & Wife Emma #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I am tying to find the date of deaths and obits On Samuel & Emma
MENDELSON but I am having no luck. I am pretty sure they both died in
new york. Samuel Mendelson was the uncle to my grandmother
Ruth(RAKOFF)FAIKES and sister To my great-grandmother
Anna(mendelson)Rakoff. Emma was sam's wife. I believe samuel probably
died later than 1949. All help is appreciated.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


Kishinev Vital Records Update #romania

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

JewishGen is pleased to announce an update to the
database: "Kishinev Vital Records". This database is a
component of both the Romanian and Ukraine databases
and can be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Romania/> or
<http://www.hewishgen.org/databases/Ukraine/>.

The database contains over 49,950 birth records, over
14,200 marriage or divorce records and over 17,875
death records >from Kishinev, Moldova for a total of
over 74,100 records. Kishinev was formerly in
Bessarabia gubernia of the Russian Empire. These
records were filmed by the Genealogical Society of
Utah and provided to JewishGen for transliteration.
The original records are located in the
NationalArchives of the Republic of Moldova in
Kishinev (Chisinau).

When completed the Kishinev vital records database
will contain birth, marriage, divorce and death
records >from 1829 to 1915 but will not contain all
years. Many records remain to be transliterated. Work
to transliterate these records is ongoing. We are also
in the process of working on records >from Bender,
Causeni and Herta. Herta is now in the Ukraine.

In order to complete the transliteration of these
records we need dedicated volunteers who are able and
willing to help transliterate the Cyrillic, Hebrew or
Romanian script. We are looking for people who are
able to decipher difficult handwriting and can donate
a few hours a week. If you are interested in
volunteering, contact Bob Wascou at
<robertw252@aol.com>.

Detailed information about the Kishinev vital records
database can be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Romania/KishinevVRs.htm>.


Bob Wascou
ROM-SIG Resource Coordinator


Romania SIG #Romania Kishinev Vital Records Update #romania

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

JewishGen is pleased to announce an update to the
database: "Kishinev Vital Records". This database is a
component of both the Romanian and Ukraine databases
and can be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Romania/> or
<http://www.hewishgen.org/databases/Ukraine/>.

The database contains over 49,950 birth records, over
14,200 marriage or divorce records and over 17,875
death records >from Kishinev, Moldova for a total of
over 74,100 records. Kishinev was formerly in
Bessarabia gubernia of the Russian Empire. These
records were filmed by the Genealogical Society of
Utah and provided to JewishGen for transliteration.
The original records are located in the
NationalArchives of the Republic of Moldova in
Kishinev (Chisinau).

When completed the Kishinev vital records database
will contain birth, marriage, divorce and death
records >from 1829 to 1915 but will not contain all
years. Many records remain to be transliterated. Work
to transliterate these records is ongoing. We are also
in the process of working on records >from Bender,
Causeni and Herta. Herta is now in the Ukraine.

In order to complete the transliteration of these
records we need dedicated volunteers who are able and
willing to help transliterate the Cyrillic, Hebrew or
Romanian script. We are looking for people who are
able to decipher difficult handwriting and can donate
a few hours a week. If you are interested in
volunteering, contact Bob Wascou at
<robertw252@aol.com>.

Detailed information about the Kishinev vital records
database can be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Romania/KishinevVRs.htm>.


Bob Wascou
ROM-SIG Resource Coordinator


Request help with GUMBRICH and HALL in Germany #general

Lisa Dashman <ldashman@...>
 

Hello, Siggers,
I would like to ask for help in western Germany with the following:
I would like to identify the birth places and dates for my
great-great-grandparents Isaak & Sophie (geb. Maier) GUMBRICH / GUMBRECHT
and Sigmund/Selegman & Anna/Chane (geb. Regenstein?) HALL were born.

So far, I know that the GUMBRICH family lived in Rastatt (Baden)by the
1840s, but I do not know if they were born there. The Stadtarchiv in
Rastatt states that they have no other records.

I know that Sigmund HALL was born about 1832, and emigrated >from Baden to
US before September 1854. Anna REGENSTEIN also was born about 1832, and
emigrated >from Hesse-Darmstadt also before September 1854. (They married
in New York, but the marriage ledger does not provide any details.)

If you can help in any way with advice or other information, I will be most
grateful. Once I know where these people were born, perhaps I can find out
the names of their parents and any siblings. Many thanks in advance.

Best wishes,
Lisa Dashman
Croton-on-Hudson, NY, USA

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Request help with GUMBRICH and HALL in Germany #general

Lisa Dashman <ldashman@...>
 

Hello, Siggers,
I would like to ask for help in western Germany with the following:
I would like to identify the birth places and dates for my
great-great-grandparents Isaak & Sophie (geb. Maier) GUMBRICH / GUMBRECHT
and Sigmund/Selegman & Anna/Chane (geb. Regenstein?) HALL were born.

So far, I know that the GUMBRICH family lived in Rastatt (Baden)by the
1840s, but I do not know if they were born there. The Stadtarchiv in
Rastatt states that they have no other records.

I know that Sigmund HALL was born about 1832, and emigrated >from Baden to
US before September 1854. Anna REGENSTEIN also was born about 1832, and
emigrated >from Hesse-Darmstadt also before September 1854. (They married
in New York, but the marriage ledger does not provide any details.)

If you can help in any way with advice or other information, I will be most
grateful. Once I know where these people were born, perhaps I can find out
the names of their parents and any siblings. Many thanks in advance.

Best wishes,
Lisa Dashman
Croton-on-Hudson, NY, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: You may also want to join the German Jewish Special
Interest Group (GerSIG) and post your message to the GerSIG Discussion Group.
You can find out more at: http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/


Seeking Max and Gussie FISCHLER #poland

Henry <henry@...>
 

Hi All,

I am trying to located the deceandents of a MAX FISCHLER who died in 1920.
He was married to Gussie Fischler who died in 1959. They are both buried in
Baron Hirsch Cemetery in Staten Island, NY.

What I know about the family is MAX Fischler's Hebrew name was Yeshaya Meir,
he was the son of Avraham Abba and Yetta Steinbrecher. The Steinbrecher
family came >from Poland and one brother moved to Hungary and another brother
moved to Paris France.

Thank You

Henry Schwartz


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JRI Poland #Poland Seeking Max and Gussie FISCHLER #poland

Henry <henry@...>
 

Hi All,

I am trying to located the deceandents of a MAX FISCHLER who died in 1920.
He was married to Gussie Fischler who died in 1959. They are both buried in
Baron Hirsch Cemetery in Staten Island, NY.

What I know about the family is MAX Fischler's Hebrew name was Yeshaya Meir,
he was the son of Avraham Abba and Yetta Steinbrecher. The Steinbrecher
family came >from Poland and one brother moved to Hungary and another brother
moved to Paris France.

Thank You

Henry Schwartz


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Re: The word Von #lithuania

Meri-Jane Rochelson <rochelso@...>
 

Bobby Jacobs wrote:


What does the word Von in front of a name mean? For instance Von
Shlieden.

I believe it means "From" and is (or at least was) a sign of German
aristocracy when it appeared in a name.

Meri-Jane Rochelson
Miami, FL 33179


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: The word Von #lithuania

Meri-Jane Rochelson <rochelso@...>
 

Bobby Jacobs wrote:


What does the word Von in front of a name mean? For instance Von
Shlieden.

I believe it means "From" and is (or at least was) a sign of German
aristocracy when it appeared in a name.

Meri-Jane Rochelson
Miami, FL 33179


Brick Wall #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

<<From: Adiva Bloch <asb4205@gmail.com>
I received the following letter >from the Lithuanian State Historical
Archives and I don't know where to go next:
"Thank you for the message of June 21, 2005 in which you make inquiry
for the birth records of people >from Lithuania. We are not able to help
you with the birth record of Jankelis Blacheris born in 1902 in Seta. We
have checked the birth records of Plunge Jewish Community for the period
1910-1913, but could not find the birth record of Raze (Roza, Rauze)
Rostovskaite (Rostovski). We have checked the birth records 1854-1857
of Seredzius Jewish Community, but could not find the birth record of
Hyman (Khaim or Chaim) Press. We regret that we were not able to help
you in your matter."

Does this mean I have hit a brick wall? Can I not find out (especially
about Raze and Jankelis) who their parents were? I am not sure where to
go or what to do now to find this information.>>

Since the Historical Archive is eleven months behind on research of Jewish
records, you are fortunate to receive a response in two months. You only
asked the archive to search for vital records. I suggest you request a
search of all types of records, particularly revision lists, family lists,
etc.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
homargol@aol.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Brick Wall #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

<<From: Adiva Bloch <asb4205@gmail.com>
I received the following letter >from the Lithuanian State Historical
Archives and I don't know where to go next:
"Thank you for the message of June 21, 2005 in which you make inquiry
for the birth records of people >from Lithuania. We are not able to help
you with the birth record of Jankelis Blacheris born in 1902 in Seta. We
have checked the birth records of Plunge Jewish Community for the period
1910-1913, but could not find the birth record of Raze (Roza, Rauze)
Rostovskaite (Rostovski). We have checked the birth records 1854-1857
of Seredzius Jewish Community, but could not find the birth record of
Hyman (Khaim or Chaim) Press. We regret that we were not able to help
you in your matter."

Does this mean I have hit a brick wall? Can I not find out (especially
about Raze and Jankelis) who their parents were? I am not sure where to
go or what to do now to find this information.>>

Since the Historical Archive is eleven months behind on research of Jewish
records, you are fortunate to receive a response in two months. You only
asked the archive to search for vital records. I suggest you request a
search of all types of records, particularly revision lists, family lists,
etc.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
homargol@aol.com


Jews of Long Island #general

Stephen Mednick <jewishgen@...>
 

For those of you who have their roots there on Long Island, you may find the
following story of interest:

http://tinyurl.com/e3d2q


Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jews of Long Island #general

Stephen Mednick <jewishgen@...>
 

For those of you who have their roots there on Long Island, you may find the
following story of interest:

http://tinyurl.com/e3d2q


Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


Responses to Queries #general

RENEEP8546@...
 

I have been following the discussion about courtesy with interest; I
have always tried to answer every response at least personally.
Recently, however, I have sent e-mails through the FTJP querying the
person who put their info online. I received a helpful response >from one
person, and am most appreciative. Another, although the date of the
information was recent, never responded. I even re-sent it thinking they
might not have received it. Again, no response. At the risk of invoking
an old joke, I assumed that someone who went to the trouble of putting
information online would be interested in communicating with others who were
interested.

Thank you for listening (or reading).
Cordially,
Renee Payne

Searching:
BENHAIM,SERFATY,ABECASSIS Marrakech
HADIDA Mogador
JACOBOWITZ Sanok
WEISS Ungvar


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Responses to Queries #general

RENEEP8546@...
 

I have been following the discussion about courtesy with interest; I
have always tried to answer every response at least personally.
Recently, however, I have sent e-mails through the FTJP querying the
person who put their info online. I received a helpful response >from one
person, and am most appreciative. Another, although the date of the
information was recent, never responded. I even re-sent it thinking they
might not have received it. Again, no response. At the risk of invoking
an old joke, I assumed that someone who went to the trouble of putting
information online would be interested in communicating with others who were
interested.

Thank you for listening (or reading).
Cordially,
Renee Payne

Searching:
BENHAIM,SERFATY,ABECASSIS Marrakech
HADIDA Mogador
JACOBOWITZ Sanok
WEISS Ungvar