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Re: Early marriages with no issue, etc.- PASAROW #general

Alexandra Alznauer <petiealznauer@...>
 

My mother had an early marriage at the outbreak of World War Two (She
graduated >from high school a couple of weeks after Pearl Harbor). It did
not last long. She had no children with this young man. There was no
mention of this marriage on the very "complete" family tree which her sister
had made (which even included scuicides and bad step-mothers!)

I learned of the marriage when I was 14 years old only because my mother
kept her old Social Security card with the name "PASAROW" on it. I am
looking for any information on this Alan PASAROW (approxiamtely 83 years
old) who was in the U.S. Army during WWII, his brother, Robert PASAROW
o(approximately 8 years old) or his sister or any of their descendants. The
PASAROW lived in Los Angeles in the 1940's.

Aexandra Alznauer
San Francisco, CA
SILVERMAN, NAYFACH, LICHTENSTEIN, KARP, LURIE

"Subject: Re: Early marraiges with no issue, etc.
From: Rachel Slansky < rachellad@earthlink.net >
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:06:39 -0800
X-Message-Number: 31

I once made a big breakthrough in a brick wall in my own research. The
reason it had been so hard? My branch had not felt it important to
record the wife in the first marriage as they were all related to the
second wife. The people descended >from the first wife had no record of
the second for the same reason. Both of the wives had the same first
name. If someone on either side had recorded *both* marriages, a
connection that took years to figure out could have been made instantly
with one communication.

I have also contacted people who are descended >from second marriages
following one with no issue who were not only unaware that there was a
first marriage, but were unwilling to believe it we were researching the
same family. After all, how could someone in the family have had a
marriage they didn't know about?

Rachel
Portland, OR"
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Early marriages with no issue, etc.- PASAROW #general

Alexandra Alznauer <petiealznauer@...>
 

My mother had an early marriage at the outbreak of World War Two (She
graduated >from high school a couple of weeks after Pearl Harbor). It did
not last long. She had no children with this young man. There was no
mention of this marriage on the very "complete" family tree which her sister
had made (which even included scuicides and bad step-mothers!)

I learned of the marriage when I was 14 years old only because my mother
kept her old Social Security card with the name "PASAROW" on it. I am
looking for any information on this Alan PASAROW (approxiamtely 83 years
old) who was in the U.S. Army during WWII, his brother, Robert PASAROW
o(approximately 8 years old) or his sister or any of their descendants. The
PASAROW lived in Los Angeles in the 1940's.

Aexandra Alznauer
San Francisco, CA
SILVERMAN, NAYFACH, LICHTENSTEIN, KARP, LURIE

"Subject: Re: Early marraiges with no issue, etc.
From: Rachel Slansky < rachellad@earthlink.net >
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:06:39 -0800
X-Message-Number: 31

I once made a big breakthrough in a brick wall in my own research. The
reason it had been so hard? My branch had not felt it important to
record the wife in the first marriage as they were all related to the
second wife. The people descended >from the first wife had no record of
the second for the same reason. Both of the wives had the same first
name. If someone on either side had recorded *both* marriages, a
connection that took years to figure out could have been made instantly
with one communication.

I have also contacted people who are descended >from second marriages
following one with no issue who were not only unaware that there was a
first marriage, but were unwilling to believe it we were researching the
same family. After all, how could someone in the family have had a
marriage they didn't know about?

Rachel
Portland, OR"
Re: YUFA not JUFA #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:44:10 UTC, anitac47@optonline.net (ac) opined:

The name is YUFA (although both would be pronounced the same, it is spelled
with that lovely Cyrillic letter (yah) which looks like an H with with the
righthand vertical line removed, and an O attached to the crossbar on the
right.

Anita
No. "Lovely" it may be, but that letter is "YOO". "YAH" looks like a
backward R.

Whether either of these characters is translated with an initial Y or J is
fairly arbitrary, and depends on the conventions of the target language.
Transliterating with a Polish, Czech, or German mindset would result in J,
which would confuse most Americans, who would prefer Y.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: YUFA not JUFA #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:44:10 UTC, anitac47@optonline.net (ac) opined:

The name is YUFA (although both would be pronounced the same, it is spelled
with that lovely Cyrillic letter (yah) which looks like an H with with the
righthand vertical line removed, and an O attached to the crossbar on the
right.

Anita
No. "Lovely" it may be, but that letter is "YOO". "YAH" looks like a
backward R.

Whether either of these characters is translated with an initial Y or J is
fairly arbitrary, and depends on the conventions of the target language.
Transliterating with a Polish, Czech, or German mindset would result in J,
which would confuse most Americans, who would prefer Y.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.
Re: names assigned at Ellis Island - Last message on this topic #germany

TamarDC <t.duke.cohan@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: The opinion expressed in the first paragraph below
is that of the writer. If you wish to contest this please do so by private
email. This topic is closed in the Forum. MODERATOR

Nope - the Ellis Island officials never gave names. The way
it worked was that, on the way to the port, the administration
of the ship compiled a manifest of passengers and this was
passed along to the immigrations officials. There never was
any registration at Ellis Island - just medical checks.

George Arnstein in Washington, DC <george.arnstein@verizon.net> wrote:
I tend to agree, but there is or was Aron Copeland
who said or wrote that his family name was Caplan
(or Kaplan) and the immigration officer (Ellis
Island?) wrote it phonetically.
There is a wonderful movie that discusses this extensively
discusses this question. It's called The Language of Names
and was made by a man called Alan Berliner. The movie is
about him seeking other people with the same name and about
the meaning of names. You can probably get it at your public
library (that's how I got it). Well worth the effort!

Best wishes, Tamar Duke-Cohan Newton, MA <t.duke.cohan@rcn.com>
German SIG #Germany Re: names assigned at Ellis Island - Last message on this topic #germany

TamarDC <t.duke.cohan@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: The opinion expressed in the first paragraph below
is that of the writer. If you wish to contest this please do so by private
email. This topic is closed in the Forum. MODERATOR

Nope - the Ellis Island officials never gave names. The way
it worked was that, on the way to the port, the administration
of the ship compiled a manifest of passengers and this was
passed along to the immigrations officials. There never was
any registration at Ellis Island - just medical checks.

George Arnstein in Washington, DC <george.arnstein@verizon.net> wrote:
I tend to agree, but there is or was Aron Copeland
who said or wrote that his family name was Caplan
(or Kaplan) and the immigration officer (Ellis
Island?) wrote it phonetically.
There is a wonderful movie that discusses this extensively
discusses this question. It's called The Language of Names
and was made by a man called Alan Berliner. The movie is
about him seeking other people with the same name and about
the meaning of names. You can probably get it at your public
library (that's how I got it). Well worth the effort!

Best wishes, Tamar Duke-Cohan Newton, MA <t.duke.cohan@rcn.com>
Family Tree software #general

BrendaJF <brendajf@...>
 

Is there any consensus on the positives and negatives of DoroTree compared
to Family Tree Maker?

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
brendajf@bigplanet.com

Searching: FREEDLAND and FAXSTEIN -- Zhitomir, Kiyev, Radomyshl UKRAINE
MILINSKY/MILINSKI and WOLFSON -- Annopol, Anopol'ye UKRAINE

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family Tree software #general

BrendaJF <brendajf@...>
 

Is there any consensus on the positives and negatives of DoroTree compared
to Family Tree Maker?

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
brendajf@bigplanet.com

Searching: FREEDLAND and FAXSTEIN -- Zhitomir, Kiyev, Radomyshl UKRAINE
MILINSKY/MILINSKI and WOLFSON -- Annopol, Anopol'ye UKRAINE

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.
Announcing version 2.1 of DoroTree - Beith Hatefutsoth endorses DoroTree instead of Ilanot #scandinavia

Seth Jacobson <seth@...>
 

DoroTree announces that the new software version 2.10.03 has been released.
DoroTree offers all registered users of any 2.x version free upgrade
(through download) to the higher version. Registered users of the much older
version 1.5 may apply for a special discount upgrading to the new version.
For details, contact DoroTree directly at dt-support@dorotree.com.

DoroTree is today the dominating software for Jewish Genealogy. In 2004,
"Beit Hatefutsoth" (The Diaspora Museum) endorsed DoroTree as its
recommended software for Jewish genealogy. Owners of "Ilanot", the software
previously promoted by "Beit Hatefutsoth", may be entitled to an upgrade
discount for migrating >from "Ilanot" to "DoroTree" and should contact
bhgnlgy@post.tau.ac.il for more details. The full version of DoroTree can be
purchased at the JewishGenMall (www.jewishgenmall.org).

DoroTree Technologies Ltd.
Jerusalem
Israel
http://www.dorotree.com/
Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Announcing version 2.1 of DoroTree - Beith Hatefutsoth endorses DoroTree instead of Ilanot #scandinavia

Seth Jacobson <seth@...>
 

DoroTree announces that the new software version 2.10.03 has been released.
DoroTree offers all registered users of any 2.x version free upgrade
(through download) to the higher version. Registered users of the much older
version 1.5 may apply for a special discount upgrading to the new version.
For details, contact DoroTree directly at dt-support@dorotree.com.

DoroTree is today the dominating software for Jewish Genealogy. In 2004,
"Beit Hatefutsoth" (The Diaspora Museum) endorsed DoroTree as its
recommended software for Jewish genealogy. Owners of "Ilanot", the software
previously promoted by "Beit Hatefutsoth", may be entitled to an upgrade
discount for migrating >from "Ilanot" to "DoroTree" and should contact
bhgnlgy@post.tau.ac.il for more details. The full version of DoroTree can be
purchased at the JewishGenMall (www.jewishgenmall.org).

DoroTree Technologies Ltd.
Jerusalem
Israel
http://www.dorotree.com/
Sobedruhy Jewish History website #austria-czech

Julian H. Preisler
 

Dear List Members:

My grandfather, Karl Preisler, was born in
Teplice-Sobedruhy, CZ in 1893. I have traced his
mother's family back to the early 1700's in this
village whose inhabitants were once mostly Jewish.

Sobedruhy, known in German as Soborten, was one of the
oldest Jewish communities in Bohemia. The Jewish
community there ceased to exist in 1938 after the
border regions of Czechoslovakia were annexed by Nazi
Germany.

I have created a modest website to serve as a virtual
memorial to this Jewish community. It is an on-going
project and I hope to continue to add materials to the
site. I would love to hear >from anyone who may have
family or ancestral connections to Sobedruhy and also
the adjacent city of Teplice. The web address is:
www.sobedruhy.genealogyphotography.com

Thanks, Dobry Den & Shalom,

Julian H. Preisler
Falling Waters, West Virginia
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Sobedruhy Jewish History website #austria-czech

Julian H. Preisler
 

Dear List Members:

My grandfather, Karl Preisler, was born in
Teplice-Sobedruhy, CZ in 1893. I have traced his
mother's family back to the early 1700's in this
village whose inhabitants were once mostly Jewish.

Sobedruhy, known in German as Soborten, was one of the
oldest Jewish communities in Bohemia. The Jewish
community there ceased to exist in 1938 after the
border regions of Czechoslovakia were annexed by Nazi
Germany.

I have created a modest website to serve as a virtual
memorial to this Jewish community. It is an on-going
project and I hope to continue to add materials to the
site. I would love to hear >from anyone who may have
family or ancestral connections to Sobedruhy and also
the adjacent city of Teplice. The web address is:
www.sobedruhy.genealogyphotography.com

Thanks, Dobry Den & Shalom,

Julian H. Preisler
Falling Waters, West Virginia
Lazarsfeld #austria-czech

annjen@...
 

Thankyou to those who have responded to my query. For many years I
have been trying to discover why our families hid their identities.
The possible new name on our family tree, LAZARSFELD, is a real gold mine,
particularly as Paul LAZARSFELD (b.1901, Grad Uni Vienna 1925)worked in
the same field of study that I am in, and appears in my bibliographies!
Apparently Paul's parents were arrested in Vienna in 1935, and his
mother, Sofie MUNK, a psychotherapist had previously been arrested
for her relationship with Friedrich ADLER, who shot Count Karl
STURGHK in 1916. Paul LAZARSFELD's father was Robert, a solicitor.
I find no evidence of their fate after 1935.I read that Paul's doctoral
thesis dealt with an aspect of EINSTEIN's theory, which I thought would
have been relatively (##) unknown so early in the century.
I wonder if anyone can shed further light on the connections between
some of these people and events.

Ann Jensen
WARNER, HNILICEK (variations), VON GERLACH,
LAZARSFELD, MUNK
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Lazarsfeld #austria-czech

annjen@...
 

Thankyou to those who have responded to my query. For many years I
have been trying to discover why our families hid their identities.
The possible new name on our family tree, LAZARSFELD, is a real gold mine,
particularly as Paul LAZARSFELD (b.1901, Grad Uni Vienna 1925)worked in
the same field of study that I am in, and appears in my bibliographies!
Apparently Paul's parents were arrested in Vienna in 1935, and his
mother, Sofie MUNK, a psychotherapist had previously been arrested
for her relationship with Friedrich ADLER, who shot Count Karl
STURGHK in 1916. Paul LAZARSFELD's father was Robert, a solicitor.
I find no evidence of their fate after 1935.I read that Paul's doctoral
thesis dealt with an aspect of EINSTEIN's theory, which I thought would
have been relatively (##) unknown so early in the century.
I wonder if anyone can shed further light on the connections between
some of these people and events.

Ann Jensen
WARNER, HNILICEK (variations), VON GERLACH,
LAZARSFELD, MUNK
Rubel family #galicia

Susana <sem005@...>
 

Maybe someone knows the family of RUBEL Nathan Wolf >from Montreal, Canada.
In one of the testimony pages I saw in the Internet, it is one written by Mr
RUBEL.
He wrote in the memory of his mother, Gitel MAMBER.
I dont really know the connection bitewing Gitel and my MAMBER family, her
husband Isak RUBEL was a witness in my grandfather sister birth
certificate. Her name was Elka MAMBER, and Gitel MAMBER was also an Elka
(Elka KNOLLER).
Gitla Mamber was born in Przemysl 1871
Nathan Wolf was born in Przemysl 1894
he has brothers: Dawid b. 1892
Abraham Salomon 1890
Israel 1893
Yosef 1897

Susana Mamber Englender
sem005@netvision.net.il
Raanana
Israel
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Rubel family #galicia

Susana <sem005@...>
 

Maybe someone knows the family of RUBEL Nathan Wolf >from Montreal, Canada.
In one of the testimony pages I saw in the Internet, it is one written by Mr
RUBEL.
He wrote in the memory of his mother, Gitel MAMBER.
I dont really know the connection bitewing Gitel and my MAMBER family, her
husband Isak RUBEL was a witness in my grandfather sister birth
certificate. Her name was Elka MAMBER, and Gitel MAMBER was also an Elka
(Elka KNOLLER).
Gitla Mamber was born in Przemysl 1871
Nathan Wolf was born in Przemysl 1894
he has brothers: Dawid b. 1892
Abraham Salomon 1890
Israel 1893
Yosef 1897

Susana Mamber Englender
sem005@netvision.net.il
Raanana
Israel
Canadian bond for relatives trying to leave Rumania (via Austria to Italy and then to Canada) #general

Rebecca Gerber <beccamd@...>
 

This is a follow-up post. Apparently my great-grandfather in Winnipeg,
Canada, had a couple of relatives >from Rumania who had managed to get to
Vienna and were on their way to Italy to try and board a boat to Canada. My
great-grandfather was required to send a "bond" or "surety" that the
relatives were not going to stay in Italy. I would assume that he also had
to set up some sort of Canadian "sponsorship" so that they could come to
Canada.

All of this would have taken place around 1938.

Any ideas where to find the paperwork in Canada for the "sponsorship"?

Please respond privately

Rebecca Gerber
Glenview, IL
beccamd@ix.netcom.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Canadian bond for relatives trying to leave Rumania (via Austria to Italy and then to Canada) #general

Rebecca Gerber <beccamd@...>
 

This is a follow-up post. Apparently my great-grandfather in Winnipeg,
Canada, had a couple of relatives >from Rumania who had managed to get to
Vienna and were on their way to Italy to try and board a boat to Canada. My
great-grandfather was required to send a "bond" or "surety" that the
relatives were not going to stay in Italy. I would assume that he also had
to set up some sort of Canadian "sponsorship" so that they could come to
Canada.

All of this would have taken place around 1938.

Any ideas where to find the paperwork in Canada for the "sponsorship"?

Please respond privately

Rebecca Gerber
Glenview, IL
beccamd@ix.netcom.com
Yiddish translation VM5471 #general

Rose & Robert Raymen <rr.raymen@...>
 

Dear Genners

I require assistance in the translation of a Yiddish photo inscription. The
photo is of my father Joseph ZYLBERSTEIN and three unidentified individuals
and is dated Danzig 1927.

This can be viewed at VM5471 http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Please respond privately.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Rose Raymen
rr.raymen@optusnet.com.au

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yiddish translation VM5471 #general

Rose & Robert Raymen <rr.raymen@...>
 

Dear Genners

I require assistance in the translation of a Yiddish photo inscription. The
photo is of my father Joseph ZYLBERSTEIN and three unidentified individuals
and is dated Danzig 1927.

This can be viewed at VM5471 http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Please respond privately.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Rose Raymen
rr.raymen@optusnet.com.au

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