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One day seminar at the Museum of the Diaspora in Tel Aviv #southafrica

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

We at the Israel Genealogical Society [IGS] are fairly bursting our
buttons with pride in the one day seminar [Yom Iyun] that we have
arranged for the 28th of November 2005 at Beit Hatefutzot [the
Diaspora Museum] on the Tel Aviv University campus. If you could have
one genealogical wish, wouldn't it be that you could find that
illusive document that would allow you to prove once and for all that
a tie that binds was true? We at the IGS have been feverishly working
for over a year to arrange just such a seminar that would allow you
to find the missing key.

Without fear of contradiction, I can categorically state that every
Jewish family in the world has family - known or unknown - in
Israel. Our seminar, "Family Roots in the Land of Israel and in the
World," will demonstrate what I mean. We have invited archivists >from
the smaller, but sometimes more interesting archives, to address us
with talks on their holdings. When we invited proposals, even we
didn't know details of all the treasures these archives hold, but
after reading the abstracts and talking with the archivists, it is
hard not to jump up and down with enthusiasm!

Go to our website's direct seminar access:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

There you can get .pdf files in Hebrew and/or in English of the
program, the abstracts and the biographies of the speakers. See for
yourself what an incredible program we have arranged for you! >from
our opening keynote speaker on Eastern European Aliyah >from the late
1800's to 1920, to a detailed description of the microfilm collection
of the Diaspora Museum, at the close of the day, you will be
enthralled for the entire time.

One caveat: regretfully, places are limited due to the number of
seats available and we can only accept reservations on a first come
first serve basis. Early registration ends on 10 November, if there
are still places available. Registration includes coffee and cake and
a chance for a greatly discounted hot lunch, but here too, places are
limited. Please register early so you will not be disappointed. When
the places are gone, they are gone and that's it.

The registration form can be downloaded at

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/YY-reg-HE-2005.pdf

You are going to love this day and we are looking forward to seeing
you there!

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion
for the Organizing Committee
Israel Genealogical Society


Re: Kasrael JOFFE; Pretoria, SA; died 1981 #southafrica

Dr. Clive H. Gold <clive@...>
 

Hi Tim,
I knew Kasreel Joffe in the city of my birth, Pretoria.
He was a butcher in the old market in Pretoria. He had two, possibly three
children. His son Meyer studied law and became very successful. I believe he
became a judge and possibly still lives in Pretoria. He had a sister but I
cannot recall her name.
Unfortunately I cannot answer your question as to his origin, but you could
try the SA white pages and call or write.
I also believe that the brother of my paternal grandfather, Myer Gold
married Ray Sternberg b. Joffe who originated in Rokiskis.
Regards,
Clive Gold
Zefat, Israel
Researching: Abromowitz, Abrams >from Rokiskis (Raduta)


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica One day seminar at the Museum of the Diaspora in Tel Aviv #southafrica

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

We at the Israel Genealogical Society [IGS] are fairly bursting our
buttons with pride in the one day seminar [Yom Iyun] that we have
arranged for the 28th of November 2005 at Beit Hatefutzot [the
Diaspora Museum] on the Tel Aviv University campus. If you could have
one genealogical wish, wouldn't it be that you could find that
illusive document that would allow you to prove once and for all that
a tie that binds was true? We at the IGS have been feverishly working
for over a year to arrange just such a seminar that would allow you
to find the missing key.

Without fear of contradiction, I can categorically state that every
Jewish family in the world has family - known or unknown - in
Israel. Our seminar, "Family Roots in the Land of Israel and in the
World," will demonstrate what I mean. We have invited archivists >from
the smaller, but sometimes more interesting archives, to address us
with talks on their holdings. When we invited proposals, even we
didn't know details of all the treasures these archives hold, but
after reading the abstracts and talking with the archivists, it is
hard not to jump up and down with enthusiasm!

Go to our website's direct seminar access:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

There you can get .pdf files in Hebrew and/or in English of the
program, the abstracts and the biographies of the speakers. See for
yourself what an incredible program we have arranged for you! >from
our opening keynote speaker on Eastern European Aliyah >from the late
1800's to 1920, to a detailed description of the microfilm collection
of the Diaspora Museum, at the close of the day, you will be
enthralled for the entire time.

One caveat: regretfully, places are limited due to the number of
seats available and we can only accept reservations on a first come
first serve basis. Early registration ends on 10 November, if there
are still places available. Registration includes coffee and cake and
a chance for a greatly discounted hot lunch, but here too, places are
limited. Please register early so you will not be disappointed. When
the places are gone, they are gone and that's it.

The registration form can be downloaded at

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/YY-reg-HE-2005.pdf

You are going to love this day and we are looking forward to seeing
you there!

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion
for the Organizing Committee
Israel Genealogical Society


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Kasrael JOFFE; Pretoria, SA; died 1981 #southafrica

Dr. Clive H. Gold <clive@...>
 

Hi Tim,
I knew Kasreel Joffe in the city of my birth, Pretoria.
He was a butcher in the old market in Pretoria. He had two, possibly three
children. His son Meyer studied law and became very successful. I believe he
became a judge and possibly still lives in Pretoria. He had a sister but I
cannot recall her name.
Unfortunately I cannot answer your question as to his origin, but you could
try the SA white pages and call or write.
I also believe that the brother of my paternal grandfather, Myer Gold
married Ray Sternberg b. Joffe who originated in Rokiskis.
Regards,
Clive Gold
Zefat, Israel
Researching: Abromowitz, Abrams >from Rokiskis (Raduta)


Re: PRWR #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

Dear Barbara,
Thanks much for the follow-up. There has been quite a lot of discussion
on this topic, but it sems that we are still in the dark. Please let me
know if you do get a definitive (or even a "reasonable") answer >from the
census folks. I seem to be the most recent person who has been looking for
an answer, and I appreciate all the work that has been put into the query
by so many of the genners.
I looked up on the Google archive to see what my previous responses to this
were, but it only sees to give results post-Rita.

I have therefore found this response of 2001 >from someone at Great Falls
Genealogical Society
http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/2001-December/003283.html.

The full text of his comment can be seen in the webpage but he comments that
it has no valuable meaning for genealogist. He considers that it was an
early attempt to machine sort some of the listings.

I have just come across this posting
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genealogychatfriends/message/2540?viscount=100
which suggests that PRWR stands for Prussia West Region (obtained >from the
Prussia mail list).

For West Prussia see http://www.polishroots.org/genpoland/westpr.htm

http://dubbie.tripod.com/samsville/1910a.html has the comment that author
checked at FHC was Prussia.

This quest goes back to at least 1998.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)

MODERATOR NOTE: The last website given,
http://dubbie.tripod.com/samsville/1910a.html ,
could be opened by some moderators but not all.
We suspect pop-up blocking software had an effect.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: PRWR #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

Dear Barbara,
Thanks much for the follow-up. There has been quite a lot of discussion
on this topic, but it sems that we are still in the dark. Please let me
know if you do get a definitive (or even a "reasonable") answer >from the
census folks. I seem to be the most recent person who has been looking for
an answer, and I appreciate all the work that has been put into the query
by so many of the genners.
I looked up on the Google archive to see what my previous responses to this
were, but it only sees to give results post-Rita.

I have therefore found this response of 2001 >from someone at Great Falls
Genealogical Society
http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/pipermail/genealib/2001-December/003283.html.

The full text of his comment can be seen in the webpage but he comments that
it has no valuable meaning for genealogist. He considers that it was an
early attempt to machine sort some of the listings.

I have just come across this posting
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genealogychatfriends/message/2540?viscount=100
which suggests that PRWR stands for Prussia West Region (obtained >from the
Prussia mail list).

For West Prussia see http://www.polishroots.org/genpoland/westpr.htm

http://dubbie.tripod.com/samsville/1910a.html has the comment that author
checked at FHC was Prussia.

This quest goes back to at least 1998.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)

MODERATOR NOTE: The last website given,
http://dubbie.tripod.com/samsville/1910a.html ,
could be opened by some moderators but not all.
We suspect pop-up blocking software had an effect.


Re: Kotzker Rebbe #rabbinic

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

On 2005.09.21, Jerome Segal <JSegal@umd.edu> wrote:

Is there anyone out there who can lay out the family tree of the
Kotzker Rebbe (Menachem Mendel MORGENSTERN of Kotzk) showing all of
his grandchildren?
About the genealogy of the Kotzker - MORGENSTERN you can find in the
books of Yzchak Alfasi, and in Sne Bo er beKosk by Meir Orian; maybe
also in the books of Harav Bromberg. All these books are in Hebrew.

If you want I will try to find more in the internet, after Rosh
Hashana.

Dr. Pnina Meislish
Jerusalem


New Book by Sandor Bacskai #rabbinic

Andres Carciente
 

I have found here in Budapest a great new book:

It is 230 pages of testimonies >from 64 former members of the Jewish
Orthodox Communities in Hungary. Most of them live now outside
Hungary (the States, Israel, etc...)

It covers the period before, during and after the war. Among the
testimonies which touched me most was one about the refugees coming
from Poland, specially great rabbis, who lost all their families:
For example the Szobranci Rabbi and the Bobovi Rabbi who begged,
urged people in 1943 to "hide, to make bunkers because there is
danger, do not believe that the Hungarian authorities will help
you when the Germans come."

"The Voloci Rabbi talked for at least two hours, cried, begged:
"escape >from here, escape >from Europe anywhere, but escape! But
there was no place where to go. Never I will forget, there
everybody cried with him, then went home..."

The book is in Hungarian: Its title is:

Az elso nap (The First Day)
Publisher: Mult es Jovo
Date: 2004
The writer: Sandor Bacskai, who contributes also to
JewishGen.

Happy New Year. Shana TOVA!!!

Andres Carciente
Budapest

RAPAPORT, STARK, ROTTMAN, BREUER, DICK, SCHWARCZ, NEULANDER, ALTER,
GOLDBERGER, FELDMAR, POLLAK, JEREMIAS, ADLER, LIPSCHITZ, WEISZ,
GRUNWALD, SPITZ, HERSKOVITS, BRUNNER, SZIMKOWICZ,
WEINSTOCK:(Satoraljaujhely) RAPAPORT, FOHN (Monostorpalyi)


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Kotzker Rebbe #rabbinic

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

On 2005.09.21, Jerome Segal <JSegal@umd.edu> wrote:

Is there anyone out there who can lay out the family tree of the
Kotzker Rebbe (Menachem Mendel MORGENSTERN of Kotzk) showing all of
his grandchildren?
About the genealogy of the Kotzker - MORGENSTERN you can find in the
books of Yzchak Alfasi, and in Sne Bo er beKosk by Meir Orian; maybe
also in the books of Harav Bromberg. All these books are in Hebrew.

If you want I will try to find more in the internet, after Rosh
Hashana.

Dr. Pnina Meislish
Jerusalem


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic New Book by Sandor Bacskai #rabbinic

Andres Carciente
 

I have found here in Budapest a great new book:

It is 230 pages of testimonies >from 64 former members of the Jewish
Orthodox Communities in Hungary. Most of them live now outside
Hungary (the States, Israel, etc...)

It covers the period before, during and after the war. Among the
testimonies which touched me most was one about the refugees coming
from Poland, specially great rabbis, who lost all their families:
For example the Szobranci Rabbi and the Bobovi Rabbi who begged,
urged people in 1943 to "hide, to make bunkers because there is
danger, do not believe that the Hungarian authorities will help
you when the Germans come."

"The Voloci Rabbi talked for at least two hours, cried, begged:
"escape >from here, escape >from Europe anywhere, but escape! But
there was no place where to go. Never I will forget, there
everybody cried with him, then went home..."

The book is in Hungarian: Its title is:

Az elso nap (The First Day)
Publisher: Mult es Jovo
Date: 2004
The writer: Sandor Bacskai, who contributes also to
JewishGen.

Happy New Year. Shana TOVA!!!

Andres Carciente
Budapest

RAPAPORT, STARK, ROTTMAN, BREUER, DICK, SCHWARCZ, NEULANDER, ALTER,
GOLDBERGER, FELDMAR, POLLAK, JEREMIAS, ADLER, LIPSCHITZ, WEISZ,
GRUNWALD, SPITZ, HERSKOVITS, BRUNNER, SZIMKOWICZ,
WEINSTOCK:(Satoraljaujhely) RAPAPORT, FOHN (Monostorpalyi)


Re: Happy New Year #bessarabia

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

To All the Galizianers,
My best regards >from Jerusalem -
Leshena Tova Tikatevu Vetechatemu, Le`altar le`Chaiim Tovim.
Pnina Meislish


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Happy New Year #galicia

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

To All the Galizianers,
My best regards >from Jerusalem -
Leshena Tova Tikatevu Vetechatemu, Le`altar le`Chaiim Tovim.
Pnina Meislish


Re: moving long distances #galicia

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Judy Salomon responded to Joe:

<Often is was when a man left to marry a woman in the new
destination, but
sometimes a family would relocate to places where they felt
there would be
better economic opportunities or for family considerations.>

In my day the woman moved to where the man had a job. I had
always thought it
strange that my grandfather moved to the town where his
bride-to-be lived.
Maybe it made more sense in those days to have the woman live
near family.
Is this a common occurrence?
I think even today you'll see examples of the man moving to where
the woman lives. Some girls still choose to be near their
parents and some parents are willing to arrange for a job or
assist in other ways to ensure that this happens.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Researching: HABER - Konyushki & Zurów, Galicia (now Zhuriv,
Ukraine), NYC;
STARK - Bóbrka, Galicia (Ukraine), NYC; BELY -Rzeszów, Poland
MONDSCHEIN-Brod SADOVSKI/SADOWSKY-Belchatów/Lodz, Pol., NYC
KANET/KANNETT/KANNATT - Czyzewo, Poland, NYC


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Re:moving long distances #galicia

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Judy Salomon responded to Joe:

<Often is was when a man left to marry a woman in the new
destination, but
sometimes a family would relocate to places where they felt
there would be
better economic opportunities or for family considerations.>

In my day the woman moved to where the man had a job. I had
always thought it
strange that my grandfather moved to the town where his
bride-to-be lived.
Maybe it made more sense in those days to have the woman live
near family.
Is this a common occurrence?
I think even today you'll see examples of the man moving to where
the woman lives. Some girls still choose to be near their
parents and some parents are willing to arrange for a job or
assist in other ways to ensure that this happens.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Researching: HABER - Konyushki & Zurów, Galicia (now Zhuriv,
Ukraine), NYC;
STARK - Bóbrka, Galicia (Ukraine), NYC; BELY -Rzeszów, Poland
MONDSCHEIN-Brod SADOVSKI/SADOWSKY-Belchatów/Lodz, Pol., NYC
KANET/KANNETT/KANNATT - Czyzewo, Poland, NYC


seeking Galician-interest books in Fraktur font #galicia

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Has anyone encountered Galician-interest books printed primarily in Fraktur
or other blackletter fonts? Please respond privately.

Thanks very much and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
near Washington, D.C.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia seeking Galician-interest books in Fraktur font #galicia

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Has anyone encountered Galician-interest books printed primarily in Fraktur
or other blackletter fonts? Please respond privately.

Thanks very much and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
near Washington, D.C.


Re: camps in Lebanon and Syria for european Jews in 1939-40. #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Pierre KOGAN" <kogan@wanadoo.fr> wrote

I'm searching the fate of an european family, (>from Romania or Austria and
Turkey)
EFFRAYIM Aaron, his wife BAUM Rosa and their daughters
Becky, Rebecca born 1923
and
Dora born 1924?
The daughters married and lived in Beyrouth or Aleppo.
Were there internment's camps in Lebanon and Syria for european Jews in
1939-40. ?
It is unclear whether you are asking >from the point of view of them being
enemy aliens or being Jews. For instance, in the UK, enemy aliens were
interned in the Isle of Man - and many of these were Jews.

France didn't fall to the Germans until mid-1940, when the Vichy Govt would
have come into effect. It would seem that the Allies invaded and
installed Free French governments when the Vichy governments in those
countries started assisting German forces.

I would have thought given that Lebanon and Syria were French colonies in
1940, this is something that you are most likely to find in French on a
French website or Government Archive.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: camps in Lebanon and Syria for european Jews in 1939-40. #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Pierre KOGAN" <kogan@wanadoo.fr> wrote

I'm searching the fate of an european family, (>from Romania or Austria and
Turkey)
EFFRAYIM Aaron, his wife BAUM Rosa and their daughters
Becky, Rebecca born 1923
and
Dora born 1924?
The daughters married and lived in Beyrouth or Aleppo.
Were there internment's camps in Lebanon and Syria for european Jews in
1939-40. ?
It is unclear whether you are asking >from the point of view of them being
enemy aliens or being Jews. For instance, in the UK, enemy aliens were
interned in the Isle of Man - and many of these were Jews.

France didn't fall to the Germans until mid-1940, when the Vichy Govt would
have come into effect. It would seem that the Allies invaded and
installed Free French governments when the Vichy governments in those
countries started assisting German forces.

I would have thought given that Lebanon and Syria were French colonies in
1940, this is something that you are most likely to find in French on a
French website or Government Archive.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


Simon Wiesenthal's Roots #galicia

hekenvin@...
 

It is true that Simon Wiesenthal was >from Buczacz. However,
for genealogical purposes our readers may wish to know that
the family roots of his and generations of other Wiesenthals
(including my own) are in Skala Podolska. My grandfather knew
his grandfather in 19th century Skala.

Helene Kenvin


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Simon Wiesenthal's Roots #galicia

hekenvin@...
 

It is true that Simon Wiesenthal was >from Buczacz. However,
for genealogical purposes our readers may wish to know that
the family roots of his and generations of other Wiesenthals
(including my own) are in Skala Podolska. My grandfather knew
his grandfather in 19th century Skala.

Helene Kenvin