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zrenjanin #hungary

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Hello fellow Siggers.

Leslie Eloed asks about the Voivodina.

In 1941 this area was split in two, with the Germans occupying the eastern
half, called Banat and the Hungarians the western half, called Bacska.

WHile everything is relative, the Jewish community in Bacska had a less
horrible time of it than their cousins in the Banat. The German commander
decreed that Zrenjanin (Nagy Becskerek) would be the first "Juden-Frei"
place in the area and he was fairly successful. Most of the Jewish
community were murdered (including two of my Podvinecz cousins), the
Synagogue was burned and the ruins searched for hidden gold, and the
cemetery wrecked. All of the Jewish registers were destroyed.

Last week I spent three days here searching for traces and had the joy to
visit the Jewish Community in Zrenjanin. Their address is
JOZRENJANIN@NEOBEE.NET. I am sure you will find Lydia and her members to be
kind and helpful to you.

When I arrived they sat me down and had me tell the story of my family. The
next day one member went with me to the City Hall where the regional
Archives are also located. There we wnet through the one remaining
register, which is a partial register of marriage >from 1896 to 1941. Many
pages are torn out.

We then went to the Registrar's office to look at the civil registration
books. You must be aware that civil registration began in Hungary in
September 1895, and these books generally survived. To see these books in
Serbia requires making an application to the local authority if you are a
foreigner. To get this part accomplished requires a local guide, or
political connections. Once this was accomplished I was able to find the
deaths of three members of the family.

Finally, we went to the cemetery. While the graves have been destroyed,
many of the stones have been saved. (Recording these could be a good
project for a day or two). Some are turned around so only the Hebrew
inscription is seen, but you just walk around back. The cemetery is next to
the Reformed cemetery in the yard of the Refromed Church outside of the city
center.

I also went to Yas Tomic (Modos) where my relatives lived on arrival. There
was no one here to help me that day (I arrived announced only by the clerk
of the neighboring village which I had mistaken for Yasa Tomic, who kindly
tried to ask his colleague to help me). But a local man took me to the
place where he says is the old Jewish Cemetery. We had no language in
common but he made the word Jungle quite clear and it certainly is. As soon
as I can confirm the ownership and the fact that it is indeed the Jewish
cemetery I intend to return with some tools and pay some persons to help me
to clear the land. Perhaps a fence would then be needed. Actually in its
current state the cemetery is ideally protected for no one knows it is
there.

In Novi Sad the Jewish community is run by Anika Frenkel a formidable
personality who is most welcoming and helpful to visitors. There are a
number of nice and helpful people working there. They run a soup kitchen
for the benefit of the poor of the community as well as for poor Jews.

They have a number of their registers and will make information available.
There is a small fee for researches.

The Synagogue has been preserved and it is quite special. The community is
not large enough to justify the expense of keeping the large Synagogue
operating but it is used for concerts and so has life.

The cemetery here has a guide for it (though none of us could figure out the
layout for the most recent burials >from the 60's and 70's). While there is
an attendant family, they do not maintain the cemetery as there is no money
for this. I found the resting place of a couple of my cousins and managed
to clear it, though the very nice lady did most of the dirty work.
Obviously I made a gift to her which she refused only relenting when I
suggested she use ti to buy something for her little boy.

There are city archives in Novi Sad as well but when I went there it proved
to be a nightmare of Kafkasque proportions with all signs in Cyrillic and
lines of hopeless looking people searching for documents of various sorts.
It will be necessary to go back with a "guide". (It will also be necessary
to get "permission" >from the local government).

The Voivodina Archives are behind the Voivodina Museum on Dunavska Street.
Here too is the problem of permission though very kind younger people who
seem to understand the philosophy of "open socieities" proved helpful to me.
I was able to see the remnanats of the registers for Palanka. They are in
a large obx confused with the Protestant registers and there are very few of
the Jewish Registers surviving. For after 1895 the civil register is in the
town.

I hope this has been helpful.

Peter Bakos
Paris/Budapest


Budapest Cemetery #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

David Sperlinger wants to know how he can locate
family in Budapest who may be taking care of his
family's grave(s). My suggestion is to put an
advertisement in the Jewish newspaper "Uj Elet,"
E-mail:ujelet01@freemail.hu
I presume he knows that you can pay the cemetery an
annual fee to clean the graves and such relatives do
not necessarily live in Hungary, but they might. The
Kozma utca cemetery will have a record if the cleaning
of the graves are being paid for and done by them. If
the graves are not done by the cemetery, but by
someone else, then there is a strong likelihood that
the person doing the work lives in Budapest or
surroundings.
John (Janos) Kovacs


Hungary SIG #Hungary zrenjanin #hungary

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Hello fellow Siggers.

Leslie Eloed asks about the Voivodina.

In 1941 this area was split in two, with the Germans occupying the eastern
half, called Banat and the Hungarians the western half, called Bacska.

WHile everything is relative, the Jewish community in Bacska had a less
horrible time of it than their cousins in the Banat. The German commander
decreed that Zrenjanin (Nagy Becskerek) would be the first "Juden-Frei"
place in the area and he was fairly successful. Most of the Jewish
community were murdered (including two of my Podvinecz cousins), the
Synagogue was burned and the ruins searched for hidden gold, and the
cemetery wrecked. All of the Jewish registers were destroyed.

Last week I spent three days here searching for traces and had the joy to
visit the Jewish Community in Zrenjanin. Their address is
JOZRENJANIN@NEOBEE.NET. I am sure you will find Lydia and her members to be
kind and helpful to you.

When I arrived they sat me down and had me tell the story of my family. The
next day one member went with me to the City Hall where the regional
Archives are also located. There we wnet through the one remaining
register, which is a partial register of marriage >from 1896 to 1941. Many
pages are torn out.

We then went to the Registrar's office to look at the civil registration
books. You must be aware that civil registration began in Hungary in
September 1895, and these books generally survived. To see these books in
Serbia requires making an application to the local authority if you are a
foreigner. To get this part accomplished requires a local guide, or
political connections. Once this was accomplished I was able to find the
deaths of three members of the family.

Finally, we went to the cemetery. While the graves have been destroyed,
many of the stones have been saved. (Recording these could be a good
project for a day or two). Some are turned around so only the Hebrew
inscription is seen, but you just walk around back. The cemetery is next to
the Reformed cemetery in the yard of the Refromed Church outside of the city
center.

I also went to Yas Tomic (Modos) where my relatives lived on arrival. There
was no one here to help me that day (I arrived announced only by the clerk
of the neighboring village which I had mistaken for Yasa Tomic, who kindly
tried to ask his colleague to help me). But a local man took me to the
place where he says is the old Jewish Cemetery. We had no language in
common but he made the word Jungle quite clear and it certainly is. As soon
as I can confirm the ownership and the fact that it is indeed the Jewish
cemetery I intend to return with some tools and pay some persons to help me
to clear the land. Perhaps a fence would then be needed. Actually in its
current state the cemetery is ideally protected for no one knows it is
there.

In Novi Sad the Jewish community is run by Anika Frenkel a formidable
personality who is most welcoming and helpful to visitors. There are a
number of nice and helpful people working there. They run a soup kitchen
for the benefit of the poor of the community as well as for poor Jews.

They have a number of their registers and will make information available.
There is a small fee for researches.

The Synagogue has been preserved and it is quite special. The community is
not large enough to justify the expense of keeping the large Synagogue
operating but it is used for concerts and so has life.

The cemetery here has a guide for it (though none of us could figure out the
layout for the most recent burials >from the 60's and 70's). While there is
an attendant family, they do not maintain the cemetery as there is no money
for this. I found the resting place of a couple of my cousins and managed
to clear it, though the very nice lady did most of the dirty work.
Obviously I made a gift to her which she refused only relenting when I
suggested she use ti to buy something for her little boy.

There are city archives in Novi Sad as well but when I went there it proved
to be a nightmare of Kafkasque proportions with all signs in Cyrillic and
lines of hopeless looking people searching for documents of various sorts.
It will be necessary to go back with a "guide". (It will also be necessary
to get "permission" >from the local government).

The Voivodina Archives are behind the Voivodina Museum on Dunavska Street.
Here too is the problem of permission though very kind younger people who
seem to understand the philosophy of "open socieities" proved helpful to me.
I was able to see the remnanats of the registers for Palanka. They are in
a large obx confused with the Protestant registers and there are very few of
the Jewish Registers surviving. For after 1895 the civil register is in the
town.

I hope this has been helpful.

Peter Bakos
Paris/Budapest


Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest Cemetery #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

David Sperlinger wants to know how he can locate
family in Budapest who may be taking care of his
family's grave(s). My suggestion is to put an
advertisement in the Jewish newspaper "Uj Elet,"
E-mail:ujelet01@freemail.hu
I presume he knows that you can pay the cemetery an
annual fee to clean the graves and such relatives do
not necessarily live in Hungary, but they might. The
Kozma utca cemetery will have a record if the cleaning
of the graves are being paid for and done by them. If
the graves are not done by the cemetery, but by
someone else, then there is a strong likelihood that
the person doing the work lives in Budapest or
surroundings.
John (Janos) Kovacs


Berezna #ukraine

Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I am looking for people who might be researching the town of Berezna, in
the Chernigov Gubernya.

My great grandfather, Mordechai ZEZMER, was born there in the 1850's or
thereabouts, later moving to Kiev, in the 1880's, most likely.

Are there any databases, both online and offline, that are searchable?

Thank you.

Amos ZEZMER
Yerres, France

Researching:

ZEZMER (ZHEZMER, etc.) in Berezna, Konotop and Kiev
MARGOLIN in Berezna and Kiev
APOLLON in Kiev


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Berezna #ukraine

Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I am looking for people who might be researching the town of Berezna, in
the Chernigov Gubernya.

My great grandfather, Mordechai ZEZMER, was born there in the 1850's or
thereabouts, later moving to Kiev, in the 1880's, most likely.

Are there any databases, both online and offline, that are searchable?

Thank you.

Amos ZEZMER
Yerres, France

Researching:

ZEZMER (ZHEZMER, etc.) in Berezna, Konotop and Kiev
MARGOLIN in Berezna and Kiev
APOLLON in Kiev


Zabrze Jewish Cemetery Website #poland

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Dear Researchers

I have just visited the wonderful website for the Jewish Cemetery in Zabrze.
It is well worth a look. It has a number of beautiful photographs as well
as a listing of names of people buried there.

A history of the cemetery is also given.

http://213.227.67.50/cmentarz/jewishcemetery1.html

Geoff Kaiser
Melbourne


JRI Poland #Poland Zabrze Jewish Cemetery Website #poland

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Dear Researchers

I have just visited the wonderful website for the Jewish Cemetery in Zabrze.
It is well worth a look. It has a number of beautiful photographs as well
as a listing of names of people buried there.

A history of the cemetery is also given.

http://213.227.67.50/cmentarz/jewishcemetery1.html

Geoff Kaiser
Melbourne


wajsenberg #general

mark
 

Dear Genners, Shana Tova.
I got two questions:
1. Is there any possibility to contact people in Ukraine in Ostrog for
example. I mean to send them (unknown people) e-mail and to ask about jewish
cemetary?
2. I am searching BRANDWAJN,KRIPKE >from Ostrog, Zdolbunow, BEJZMAN Novograd
Volynski, SHEVELEV,WAJSENBERG >from Zelechow,Warsaw, BELENKI
Ukraine,Saratov,TZIZIN >from Zytomir.
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen wajsenberg #general

mark
 

Dear Genners, Shana Tova.
I got two questions:
1. Is there any possibility to contact people in Ukraine in Ostrog for
example. I mean to send them (unknown people) e-mail and to ask about jewish
cemetary?
2. I am searching BRANDWAJN,KRIPKE >from Ostrog, Zdolbunow, BEJZMAN Novograd
Volynski, SHEVELEV,WAJSENBERG >from Zelechow,Warsaw, BELENKI
Ukraine,Saratov,TZIZIN >from Zytomir.
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net


Re: black bread disease #general

Lee Hover <lhover@...>
 

This might possibly have been ergotism. It's a fungus on rye and other cereals
which is poisonous. Therefore, if bread is made of that cereal's flour, it can
poison the eater.

Lee MESSING Hover


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: black bread disease #general

Lee Hover <lhover@...>
 

This might possibly have been ergotism. It's a fungus on rye and other cereals
which is poisonous. Therefore, if bread is made of that cereal's flour, it can
poison the eater.

Lee MESSING Hover


Re: Black Bread Disease ? What is this? #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Nick wrote on 06 okt 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

"Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:11k8k11839lvnb9m86b30kaoq2d7r1po9u@4ax.com...
My Grandfathe >from Russia / Polandr is alleged to have died from
"Black Bread Disease". It is apparently a Europeon term. Anyone have
any idea as to what this is?
I am not a physician and I have not heard of the disease and there is
no reference to such on Google (which I assume that you had already
checked). But I have found this reference to "Black bread mould"
(mold, US).
http://www.the7thfire.com/EarthWright/Lechenya_Meera/hazards_of_molds_a
nd_mildew.htm

Any help?
Molds On Food: Are They Dangerous?
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/Molds_On_Food/index.asp

Tempeh [témpé kedelé] is soybeam fermented by white Rhizopus mold
<http://www.thesoydailyclub.com/SFC/Fsoyfoods431.asp>


Zygomycota - Zygomycetes - black bread molds, about 1,060 species
They cause soft fruit rot and black bread mold. Zygospores are dispersed
through the air and can remain dormant until conditions will allow them
to grow. Once they are able to grow they will then undergo meiosis and
germinate into structures, and may reproduce asexually.

Picture of a black bread mold growing on a piece of stale bread:
<http://encarta.msn.com/media_461516551/Black_Bread_Mold.html>

I would prefer matzot.
[Ritual on-topic-izing sentence]

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Black Bread Disease ? What is this? #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Nick wrote on 06 okt 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

"Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:11k8k11839lvnb9m86b30kaoq2d7r1po9u@4ax.com...
My Grandfathe >from Russia / Polandr is alleged to have died from
"Black Bread Disease". It is apparently a Europeon term. Anyone have
any idea as to what this is?
I am not a physician and I have not heard of the disease and there is
no reference to such on Google (which I assume that you had already
checked). But I have found this reference to "Black bread mould"
(mold, US).
http://www.the7thfire.com/EarthWright/Lechenya_Meera/hazards_of_molds_a
nd_mildew.htm

Any help?
Molds On Food: Are They Dangerous?
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/Molds_On_Food/index.asp

Tempeh [témpé kedelé] is soybeam fermented by white Rhizopus mold
<http://www.thesoydailyclub.com/SFC/Fsoyfoods431.asp>


Zygomycota - Zygomycetes - black bread molds, about 1,060 species
They cause soft fruit rot and black bread mold. Zygospores are dispersed
through the air and can remain dormant until conditions will allow them
to grow. Once they are able to grow they will then undergo meiosis and
germinate into structures, and may reproduce asexually.

Picture of a black bread mold growing on a piece of stale bread:
<http://encarta.msn.com/media_461516551/Black_Bread_Mold.html>

I would prefer matzot.
[Ritual on-topic-izing sentence]

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)


Re: Seeking b m d records for Bruehl / Bruhl (U with umlaut) SITE CITE #germany

GerSig@...
 

Hanna Grossman, Cornwall CT <hannakg@optonline.net> wrote:
"In order to find its Kreis, etc. to identify where the records might be I turned
to Geo--, no Buehl is listed at those coordinates.
I also see on an old map (without coordinates) that Buehl was a Kreis as well as
a town. Does anyone have any ideas about how to find the records of this place?"

Dear Hanna and all:
Hanna mentioned that she consulted the JewishGen Shtetl Seeker and also Geo--
Both are great sources of information about German towns.

Another source was cited by a GerSIG member late in August 2005:

http://www.literad.de/geschichte/ortsbuch39.html

This is a database of states, counties and towns in Germany and Austria. It can
be very helpful as you will see when you explore the website. I urge all our
members to add this site to your list of bookmarks / favorite places.

You can find your town in the list at:
http://www.literad.de/geschichte/ortsbuchbu.html

Note that it is listed alphabeticaly as Bruh not Brueh. When searching for German
words one should always check for ABC [vowel] XYZ and also ABC [vowel E] XYZ
if the vowel is A, O or U.

The website is in German. I looked for a toggle to English but did not find one.

GerSIG would welcome a user guide to this website for non-German speakers. If a
bilingual member could provide some help please let me know at GerSIG@aol.com.

Good luck, Hannah.

John Paul Lowens - Suburban NYC GerSIG Coordinator


German SIG #Germany Re: Seeking b m d records for Bruehl / Bruhl (U with umlaut) SITE CITE #germany

GerSig@...
 

Hanna Grossman, Cornwall CT <hannakg@optonline.net> wrote:
"In order to find its Kreis, etc. to identify where the records might be I turned
to Geo--, no Buehl is listed at those coordinates.
I also see on an old map (without coordinates) that Buehl was a Kreis as well as
a town. Does anyone have any ideas about how to find the records of this place?"

Dear Hanna and all:
Hanna mentioned that she consulted the JewishGen Shtetl Seeker and also Geo--
Both are great sources of information about German towns.

Another source was cited by a GerSIG member late in August 2005:

http://www.literad.de/geschichte/ortsbuch39.html

This is a database of states, counties and towns in Germany and Austria. It can
be very helpful as you will see when you explore the website. I urge all our
members to add this site to your list of bookmarks / favorite places.

You can find your town in the list at:
http://www.literad.de/geschichte/ortsbuchbu.html

Note that it is listed alphabeticaly as Bruh not Brueh. When searching for German
words one should always check for ABC [vowel] XYZ and also ABC [vowel E] XYZ
if the vowel is A, O or U.

The website is in German. I looked for a toggle to English but did not find one.

GerSIG would welcome a user guide to this website for non-German speakers. If a
bilingual member could provide some help please let me know at GerSIG@aol.com.

Good luck, Hannah.

John Paul Lowens - Suburban NYC GerSIG Coordinator


VM 6912 and 6913 #general

Seg420@...
 

Many thanks to those who have provided the identification of the language
and translation for viewmate 6912.

Please take a look at viewmate 6913 to see the front of the picture.

Do you think the author of the notes on the back meant that
1) the older children were Rachel's and the younger ones, both girls were
Ephraim's
OR
2) that the children on the left side of the picture were Ephraim's and the
children on the right side of the picture were Rachel's?

We may never know, but I'd like some educated guesses.

Thanks again,
Susi Godfrey


Black Bread Disease ? What is this? #general

David Sencer
 

Ergot poisoning.

Ergot is a fungus that attacks grains, particularly rye. It produces at
toxin, a mycotoxin which can cause itching, diarrhea, gangrene,
convulsions and hysteria. It has been postulated that it was one of
plagues in Exodus. The last outbreak was in the 1920's in Russia. The
use of herbicides in farming has eliminated it as a major problem.

David Sencer, MD


dorfshneider family #poland

rachel gold
 

does any one have info on dorfshneider of leczna family?

rachel gold

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM 6912 and 6913 #general

Seg420@...
 

Many thanks to those who have provided the identification of the language
and translation for viewmate 6912.

Please take a look at viewmate 6913 to see the front of the picture.

Do you think the author of the notes on the back meant that
1) the older children were Rachel's and the younger ones, both girls were
Ephraim's
OR
2) that the children on the left side of the picture were Ephraim's and the
children on the right side of the picture were Rachel's?

We may never know, but I'd like some educated guesses.

Thanks again,
Susi Godfrey