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Skala searches #general

Tony Hausner
 

I am searching for the following people who were listed in the Jewishgen
familyfinder as researching for Skala Podolskaya families or sent emails in
the past to Jewishgen listserv regarding Skala. each of these people appear
to have changed their email addresses.

Michael
Wweinraub
Deborah Siegel Thalor
Yoni Ben-Ari
Gerald Shapiro
Carol Adler Zsolnay
Philip J. Leonard
Reba Solomon

if you are one of these people, or know how to contact them, please
get in touch with me at the following email address tthausner@...

I would like to pursue information about Skala.

Tony Hausner
Silver Sring, MD
researching
Hausner - Skala, galicia, vienna, prague
Zimmerman - Skala
wechsler - mielnica
Heimann - galicia

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Skala searches #general

Tony Hausner
 

I am searching for the following people who were listed in the Jewishgen
familyfinder as researching for Skala Podolskaya families or sent emails in
the past to Jewishgen listserv regarding Skala. each of these people appear
to have changed their email addresses.

Michael
Wweinraub
Deborah Siegel Thalor
Yoni Ben-Ari
Gerald Shapiro
Carol Adler Zsolnay
Philip J. Leonard
Reba Solomon

if you are one of these people, or know how to contact them, please
get in touch with me at the following email address tthausner@...

I would like to pursue information about Skala.

Tony Hausner
Silver Sring, MD
researching
Hausner - Skala, galicia, vienna, prague
Zimmerman - Skala
wechsler - mielnica
Heimann - galicia

MODERATOR NOTE: Non working emails at JGFF should be reported to
LostNFound@...


Lutsk Ukraine Birth Certificate - Best approach #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

I have done some reading and am more confused than ever! What is the
best place >from which to request a birth certificate for a person born
here in 1880? What fees are associated?

Howie Axelrod


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lutsk Ukraine Birth Certificate - Best approach #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

I have done some reading and am more confused than ever! What is the
best place >from which to request a birth certificate for a person born
here in 1880? What fees are associated?

Howie Axelrod


Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:55:59 UTC, dmc@... (Doug Cohen)
opined:

After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA
branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and
ask them for the naturalization petition.
snip <
From: "Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@...>

This is very interesting to me. I had been led to believe that
naturalizations were done in county courts as well, even after 1906.
Is this my misunderstanding? I have sought the natuaralization of my
pgf in the records of the pertinent county courts (Essex and Hudson
counties, in NJ) without success; have I been barking up the wrong
tree? That's easy to do >from this distance.

My tentative conclusion had been that he was not, in fact naturalized,
although he was telling census enumerators >from 1910 that he was a
citizen.

snip <
Stan -

Doug's information about the location of the naturalization papers
is not correct. There is confusion here between NARA and
the INS. After 1906, the naturalizatons could still take place
in any court. What happened in 1906 is that the naturalization process
came under the jurisdiction of the US Federal government, so that
the policy and documentation would be standardized. A copy of the
paperwork was sent to the Bureau of Naturalization, which is now
the INS. Look at this website for more information
http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/natzrec/natrec.htm

If your grandfather was naturalized after 1906, you should follow the
instructions to request a freedom of information act request.

A person could still go to any court in order to apply for citizenship.
In fact, the writer of the original question said exactly that -

"Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@...> wrote
There is a certificate number, a Petition number, and volume number on
the document. It was issued Albany, Albany County, NY, in 1920.
In general, NARA does not have records that were created at the state &
local levels regardless of the time period. The exception to this statement
is that some states donated their state records to NARA. NARA would only
have the naturalization records for the Federal District or circuit courts
of the various states. These records would be located in the regional NARA
branch which holds the federal records pertaining to your state.

At the state level then, the records could be in any court, including the State
Supreme Court, or the local criminal court, or the county courts in states which
them. If you have actually searched the county court records in NJ, and didn't
find them, and you have searched at NARA, you probably need to go back
to New Jersey and see if there are other courts where these records could
be located. My great grand father was naturalized in RI at the state's
Supreme Court in 1901, and his sisters at the US District court in RI in 1931.

Sometimes the courts are not aware that naturalizations occured there, especially
if this is a service they no longer provide. You should check with a state or
county historical society to get a better idea of where these records might be.
In RI, they have a state judicial archive center which contains all the
naturalizations processed in their courts.

According to "They Became Americans", Loretto Dennis Szucs, the
NJ State archives has NJ naturalization records for the colonial period and
part of the 19th century. She also says most of the naturalization records from
1800's to the present are filed at each county clerk's office, and not the court.

I found this web address for the NJ state archives, but it seems to be out
of service at the moment - hopefully just a temporary glitch
http://www.njarchives.org/links/archives.html

Unfortunately, some of the older records >from the states' courts did not survive,
or will not provide much useful information even if you do find them.
There is always the possibility your ancestor was never naturalized....

I have never sent for a passport application, so I can't help with that.

My information is >from the above mentioned book, the NARA website,
and the INS info page.

Hope this helps you and others find something,
Lisa Lepore
llepore@...
Mendon, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:55:59 UTC, dmc@... (Doug Cohen)
opined:

After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA
branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and
ask them for the naturalization petition.
snip <
From: "Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@...>

This is very interesting to me. I had been led to believe that
naturalizations were done in county courts as well, even after 1906.
Is this my misunderstanding? I have sought the natuaralization of my
pgf in the records of the pertinent county courts (Essex and Hudson
counties, in NJ) without success; have I been barking up the wrong
tree? That's easy to do >from this distance.

My tentative conclusion had been that he was not, in fact naturalized,
although he was telling census enumerators >from 1910 that he was a
citizen.

snip <
Stan -

Doug's information about the location of the naturalization papers
is not correct. There is confusion here between NARA and
the INS. After 1906, the naturalizatons could still take place
in any court. What happened in 1906 is that the naturalization process
came under the jurisdiction of the US Federal government, so that
the policy and documentation would be standardized. A copy of the
paperwork was sent to the Bureau of Naturalization, which is now
the INS. Look at this website for more information
http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/natzrec/natrec.htm

If your grandfather was naturalized after 1906, you should follow the
instructions to request a freedom of information act request.

A person could still go to any court in order to apply for citizenship.
In fact, the writer of the original question said exactly that -

"Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@...> wrote
There is a certificate number, a Petition number, and volume number on
the document. It was issued Albany, Albany County, NY, in 1920.
In general, NARA does not have records that were created at the state &
local levels regardless of the time period. The exception to this statement
is that some states donated their state records to NARA. NARA would only
have the naturalization records for the Federal District or circuit courts
of the various states. These records would be located in the regional NARA
branch which holds the federal records pertaining to your state.

At the state level then, the records could be in any court, including the State
Supreme Court, or the local criminal court, or the county courts in states which
them. If you have actually searched the county court records in NJ, and didn't
find them, and you have searched at NARA, you probably need to go back
to New Jersey and see if there are other courts where these records could
be located. My great grand father was naturalized in RI at the state's
Supreme Court in 1901, and his sisters at the US District court in RI in 1931.

Sometimes the courts are not aware that naturalizations occured there, especially
if this is a service they no longer provide. You should check with a state or
county historical society to get a better idea of where these records might be.
In RI, they have a state judicial archive center which contains all the
naturalizations processed in their courts.

According to "They Became Americans", Loretto Dennis Szucs, the
NJ State archives has NJ naturalization records for the colonial period and
part of the 19th century. She also says most of the naturalization records from
1800's to the present are filed at each county clerk's office, and not the court.

I found this web address for the NJ state archives, but it seems to be out
of service at the moment - hopefully just a temporary glitch
http://www.njarchives.org/links/archives.html

Unfortunately, some of the older records >from the states' courts did not survive,
or will not provide much useful information even if you do find them.
There is always the possibility your ancestor was never naturalized....

I have never sent for a passport application, so I can't help with that.

My information is >from the above mentioned book, the NARA website,
and the INS info page.

Hope this helps you and others find something,
Lisa Lepore
llepore@...
Mendon, MA


Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
 

County courts did continue to grant naturalizations using Federal government
standard forms through 1924.

The US Citizenship & Immigration Service (USCIS) retains copies of all
naturalization records. These can be requested under the Freedom of
Information Act directly >from USCIS. These records were duplicate copies
and may at times be difficult to read, but they can help bring down that
brick wall.

Information on how to make an FOIA request to USCIS is located at their web
site:
http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/foia/request.htm

Hope this helps

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus, NJ USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
 

County courts did continue to grant naturalizations using Federal government
standard forms through 1924.

The US Citizenship & Immigration Service (USCIS) retains copies of all
naturalization records. These can be requested under the Freedom of
Information Act directly >from USCIS. These records were duplicate copies
and may at times be difficult to read, but they can help bring down that
brick wall.

Information on how to make an FOIA request to USCIS is located at their web
site:
http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/foia/request.htm

Hope this helps

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus, NJ USA


Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

It is *not* correct to say that all naturalizations were performed in federal
court after 1906. Any court of record could perform naturalizations, and
many did. For example, the Supreme Court of New York County (Manhattan) has
a huge collection of massive bound volumes of naturalization records
performed by that court (a county court) - most of them after 1905.

After 1906 the court merely had to use forms specified by the Federal
government and to file a copy of the Petition for Naturalization with the
feds.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


"Doug Cohen" <dmc@...> wrote

After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA
branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume)and
ask them for the naturalization petition. In the petition file, there will
also be a certificate showing the ship on which he arrived. Many NARA
branches have the ship manifests, whcih will show, among other things,
nearest relative left behind in the old country. Both of these documents
will be interesting to you!!

--
Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
dmc@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

It is *not* correct to say that all naturalizations were performed in federal
court after 1906. Any court of record could perform naturalizations, and
many did. For example, the Supreme Court of New York County (Manhattan) has
a huge collection of massive bound volumes of naturalization records
performed by that court (a county court) - most of them after 1905.

After 1906 the court merely had to use forms specified by the Federal
government and to file a copy of the Petition for Naturalization with the
feds.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


"Doug Cohen" <dmc@...> wrote

After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA
branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume)and
ask them for the naturalization petition. In the petition file, there will
also be a certificate showing the ship on which he arrived. Many NARA
branches have the ship manifests, whcih will show, among other things,
nearest relative left behind in the old country. Both of these documents
will be interesting to you!!

--
Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
dmc@...


Re: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Diane Jacobs <thegenie@...>
 

Dear Doug,

Would also like to add another comment - after 1906 not all naturalizations
Were done in US Federal Court. Those that were are at NARA in Manhattan,
But many people naturalized in NY State Court in Manhattan and these records
Are indexed at a fee based online database and also available at the Municipal
Archives Building 7th Floor, Division of Old Records. They not only have the
actual Copies of the petitions in large books, but you can make a copy of the
Petition >from microfilm while you are there.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

****
After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA
branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and
ask them for the naturalization petition. In the petition file, there will
also be a certificate showing the ship on which he arrived. Many NARA
branches have the ship manifests, whcih will show, among other things,
nearest relative left behind in the old country. Both of these documents
will be interesting to you!!

--
Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
dmc@...

"Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@...> wrote

I have in hane a copy of my Grandfather's "Certificate of
Naturalization".
I am attempting to find his Mother's maiden name, but it is not on
this document. I believe that the actual filing certificate and
associated paperwork would have this. Is this correct?
There is a certificate number, a Petition number, and volume number on
the document. It was issued Albany, Albany County, NY, in 1920.
What is easiet route to get the filing paperwork asssociated with
this?
If I am asking a "basic" question, please indulge me. I am still new
to this.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general

Diane Jacobs <thegenie@...>
 

Dear Doug,

Would also like to add another comment - after 1906 not all naturalizations
Were done in US Federal Court. Those that were are at NARA in Manhattan,
But many people naturalized in NY State Court in Manhattan and these records
Are indexed at a fee based online database and also available at the Municipal
Archives Building 7th Floor, Division of Old Records. They not only have the
actual Copies of the petitions in large books, but you can make a copy of the
Petition >from microfilm while you are there.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

****
After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA
branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and
ask them for the naturalization petition. In the petition file, there will
also be a certificate showing the ship on which he arrived. Many NARA
branches have the ship manifests, whcih will show, among other things,
nearest relative left behind in the old country. Both of these documents
will be interesting to you!!

--
Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
dmc@...

"Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@...> wrote

I have in hane a copy of my Grandfather's "Certificate of
Naturalization".
I am attempting to find his Mother's maiden name, but it is not on
this document. I believe that the actual filing certificate and
associated paperwork would have this. Is this correct?
There is a certificate number, a Petition number, and volume number on
the document. It was issued Albany, Albany County, NY, in 1920.
What is easiet route to get the filing paperwork asssociated with
this?
If I am asking a "basic" question, please indulge me. I am still new
to this.


searching: ROMANER #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

Laja ROMANER, born c.1820, was married to Judka SZMALC. Her parents
were Lejzor and Szejna ROMANER. Laja and Judka had at least 9 children in
Przasnysz between 1841 and 1861. If this sounds familiar, please contact me
private at <meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


searching: NOWOWEZYCKI #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

In 1829, Basia SZMALC married Herszek NOWOWEZYCKI in Przasnysz, north
of Warsaw.

If this sounds familiar, please contact me privately at
<meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching: ROMANER #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

Laja ROMANER, born c.1820, was married to Judka SZMALC. Her parents
were Lejzor and Szejna ROMANER. Laja and Judka had at least 9 children in
Przasnysz between 1841 and 1861. If this sounds familiar, please contact me
private at <meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching: NOWOWEZYCKI #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

In 1829, Basia SZMALC married Herszek NOWOWEZYCKI in Przasnysz, north
of Warsaw.

If this sounds familiar, please contact me privately at
<meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


searching: DYNER #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

In 1874, Tova BERNACKI married Szymek DYNER in Przasnysz, north of Warsaw.

If this sounds familiar, please contact me privately at
<meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching: DYNER #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

In 1874, Tova BERNACKI married Szymek DYNER in Przasnysz, north of Warsaw.

If this sounds familiar, please contact me privately at
<meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


searching: ROZENBERG #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

In 1865, Josek Dawid ROZENBERG married Razla SZMALC in Przasnysz, north
of Warsaw.

If this sounds familiar, please contact me privately at
<meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching: ROZENBERG #general

marty <meyers01@...>
 

In 1865, Josek Dawid ROZENBERG married Razla SZMALC in Przasnysz, north
of Warsaw.

If this sounds familiar, please contact me privately at
<meyers01@...>

Marty Meyers