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Finding a NYC Death Certificate of a Suicide #general

Barbara Musikar
 

My great aunt died around 1921 in NYC on Houston St. in Manhattan. She
allegedly committed suicide. Her granddaughter does not know where she is
buried and was surprised when I told her that her grandmother was not buried
next to her grandfather at the Baron de Hirsch Cemetery in Staten Island,
NY.

from the discussion group archives, I learned that suicides were buried in a
separate section of the cemetery. When I spoke to the clerk at Baron de
Hirsch, she told me that my great aunt was not buried at that cemetery. Not
only can I not find her grave site, but I cannot find her death certificate
as well. I have tried looking for the death certificate on the NYC Death
indices for the appropriate time period as well as those Death indices
posted on www.italiangen.org. I have been unable to locate her under her
married name, CORN, original married name, KLEMPNER, and her maiden name,
ROISMAN. I also looked in all five boroughs as well as outside of NYC in the
NY State death indices.

Someone suggested that I check the coroner's reports or newspapers for that
time period. Does any one have any ideas where I can find the death
certificate? Is it possible that the certificate was unindexed or does not
exist?

I am also looking for my great grandmother's death certificate which I
cannot find as well, but thankfully she is buried in the same cemetery plot
near my great grandfather in Union Fields Cemetery in Cypress Hills. She
died of natural causes. I have visited several times in my youth and twice
recently. In the cemetery register she is registered incorrectly as Sarah
KLEINBERG when her name in fact was Sarah KLEMPNER. On her tombstone she is
Sarah KLAMPNER. I looked her up under all three last names and I have yet to
find her death certificate as well. She is also not listed on the NYS Death
indices, NYC Death indices and on www.italiangen.org death indices. She died
on May 30, 1917 so I also have a date to go by, but alas have not found her
certificate. Any suggestions for locating her death certificate as well?

TIA for your help in these matters.

Barbara Musikar
President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Surfside, FL
bmusikar@...

KLEMPNER, PADELOFSKY, WALKOWISKI, ROISMAN, LEV, Kobrin, Brest, Belarus
SAMSONOWITZ, KRUPERNICK, WIDOLOK, Slonim, Belarus
RUBIN, BERGER, ROTH, PILZER, MESTER, HELLER, PADWA, WIEDERMAN, GOLDHIRSCH
Strusow, Darakhiv, Zazdrist, Ukraine
KOGUT, GEWIRZ, MESTER, HELLER, PILZER Mikulintsy, Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding a NYC Death Certificate of a Suicide #general

Barbara Musikar
 

My great aunt died around 1921 in NYC on Houston St. in Manhattan. She
allegedly committed suicide. Her granddaughter does not know where she is
buried and was surprised when I told her that her grandmother was not buried
next to her grandfather at the Baron de Hirsch Cemetery in Staten Island,
NY.

from the discussion group archives, I learned that suicides were buried in a
separate section of the cemetery. When I spoke to the clerk at Baron de
Hirsch, she told me that my great aunt was not buried at that cemetery. Not
only can I not find her grave site, but I cannot find her death certificate
as well. I have tried looking for the death certificate on the NYC Death
indices for the appropriate time period as well as those Death indices
posted on www.italiangen.org. I have been unable to locate her under her
married name, CORN, original married name, KLEMPNER, and her maiden name,
ROISMAN. I also looked in all five boroughs as well as outside of NYC in the
NY State death indices.

Someone suggested that I check the coroner's reports or newspapers for that
time period. Does any one have any ideas where I can find the death
certificate? Is it possible that the certificate was unindexed or does not
exist?

I am also looking for my great grandmother's death certificate which I
cannot find as well, but thankfully she is buried in the same cemetery plot
near my great grandfather in Union Fields Cemetery in Cypress Hills. She
died of natural causes. I have visited several times in my youth and twice
recently. In the cemetery register she is registered incorrectly as Sarah
KLEINBERG when her name in fact was Sarah KLEMPNER. On her tombstone she is
Sarah KLAMPNER. I looked her up under all three last names and I have yet to
find her death certificate as well. She is also not listed on the NYS Death
indices, NYC Death indices and on www.italiangen.org death indices. She died
on May 30, 1917 so I also have a date to go by, but alas have not found her
certificate. Any suggestions for locating her death certificate as well?

TIA for your help in these matters.

Barbara Musikar
President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Surfside, FL
bmusikar@...

KLEMPNER, PADELOFSKY, WALKOWISKI, ROISMAN, LEV, Kobrin, Brest, Belarus
SAMSONOWITZ, KRUPERNICK, WIDOLOK, Slonim, Belarus
RUBIN, BERGER, ROTH, PILZER, MESTER, HELLER, PADWA, WIEDERMAN, GOLDHIRSCH
Strusow, Darakhiv, Zazdrist, Ukraine
KOGUT, GEWIRZ, MESTER, HELLER, PILZER Mikulintsy, Ukraine


Re: Bayside Cemetery et al #general

Sara Lynns
 

In researching "Lerner" family
I've come across leads about where my paternal
grandparents might be buried

In contacting several New York cemeteries, including
Bayside, I've not been able to glean information.
typical responses I get are:
"when did this person die?" "I'll get back to you."
then I followup (perhaps a week or two later)
or... they simply are asking (indirectly) for a
donation to do the search, which evidently is or can
be time consuming.

It is difficult, I'll admit, >from 3,000 miles away
to determine the best course of action.

I'd appreciate feedback >from Jewishgenners

todah
Jacqueline Lerner-Aderman
Tigard, OR


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Bayside Cemetery et al #general

Sara Lynns
 

In researching "Lerner" family
I've come across leads about where my paternal
grandparents might be buried

In contacting several New York cemeteries, including
Bayside, I've not been able to glean information.
typical responses I get are:
"when did this person die?" "I'll get back to you."
then I followup (perhaps a week or two later)
or... they simply are asking (indirectly) for a
donation to do the search, which evidently is or can
be time consuming.

It is difficult, I'll admit, >from 3,000 miles away
to determine the best course of action.

I'd appreciate feedback >from Jewishgenners

todah
Jacqueline Lerner-Aderman
Tigard, OR


looking for Ron Mayer #galicia

arie meir
 

Dear Genners

I am looking for Ron Mayer (42) the son of Gustav and Karin. All I know about

him is that he was born in Haifa Israel and that he lives somewhere in the United

States. If you know him please contact me privately.Thanks for your help

Arieh Mayer

Haifa Israel

MODERATORS note: telephone number removed for privacy.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia looking for Ron Mayer #galicia

arie meir
 

Dear Genners

I am looking for Ron Mayer (42) the son of Gustav and Karin. All I know about

him is that he was born in Haifa Israel and that he lives somewhere in the United

States. If you know him please contact me privately.Thanks for your help

Arieh Mayer

Haifa Israel

MODERATORS note: telephone number removed for privacy.


Porytsk #ukraine

J. Spring <jspring@...>
 

Hello:
After much searching, is it accurate to say that there is no Yizkor book for
Porytsk? Would Porytsk appear in the book of a nearby town?
I am looking for pictures or descriptions of both the Jewish and non-Jewish
parts of the town. Any direction will be most appreciated.

J Spring, Ontario, Canada
searching FLAGMAN, WERBE, SPRING, SCHNEE


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Porytsk #ukraine

J. Spring <jspring@...>
 

Hello:
After much searching, is it accurate to say that there is no Yizkor book for
Porytsk? Would Porytsk appear in the book of a nearby town?
I am looking for pictures or descriptions of both the Jewish and non-Jewish
parts of the town. Any direction will be most appreciated.

J Spring, Ontario, Canada
searching FLAGMAN, WERBE, SPRING, SCHNEE


Acacia cemetery Queens NY - how to get info on people buried there ? #general

moshe <moshe@...>
 

Dear Freinds
I have been trying to find if I have relatives
buried in Acacia cemetery in Queens NY. I have been
trying since 2002 I have sent a letters to the
cemetery and received no reply. Do any of you know how
I can go about geting information? The family I am
looking for is Hirschowitz (Below are the names of
those who I belive are there). I was told by there son
and brother they should be there. There should be at
least 6 that I know of there. Thank you for any help.
Moshe Schaeffer
Jerusalem Israel

Hirschowitz Samuel

Hirschowitz Fannie

Hirschowitz Norman

Hirschowitz Louis

Hirschowitz Simon Jacob

Hirschowitz David

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you checked JOWBR (JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry)? The Acacia cemetery is listed there.
Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Acacia cemetery Queens NY - how to get info on people buried there ? #general

moshe <moshe@...>
 

Dear Freinds
I have been trying to find if I have relatives
buried in Acacia cemetery in Queens NY. I have been
trying since 2002 I have sent a letters to the
cemetery and received no reply. Do any of you know how
I can go about geting information? The family I am
looking for is Hirschowitz (Below are the names of
those who I belive are there). I was told by there son
and brother they should be there. There should be at
least 6 that I know of there. Thank you for any help.
Moshe Schaeffer
Jerusalem Israel

Hirschowitz Samuel

Hirschowitz Fannie

Hirschowitz Norman

Hirschowitz Louis

Hirschowitz Simon Jacob

Hirschowitz David

MODERATOR NOTE: Have you checked JOWBR (JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry)? The Acacia cemetery is listed there.
Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/


Zbaraz visit #galicia

jeffrey segal <jeff.segal@...>
 

I plan to visit Zbaraz with my elderly parents in the second week of April
2006, looking up ancestral addresses and touring sites of Jewish interest.
Would anyone who has previously been there be able to recommend
guides/interpreters and suitable hotels (if not in Zbaraz itself then
perhaps in Ternopil (Tarnopol)?

Any other advice and guidance would be very welcome too.

Thanks and regards

Jeff Segal
London

Researching
DORFGAJER, GRADEL, TEMPELDYNER, FRYDMAN (Lublin)
SEGAL, SAPHIER (Zbaraz)
STOLLAR, SHLOCHEVSKY (Poltava)

Moderator Note: Please respond privately.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Zbaraz visit #galicia

jeffrey segal <jeff.segal@...>
 

I plan to visit Zbaraz with my elderly parents in the second week of April
2006, looking up ancestral addresses and touring sites of Jewish interest.
Would anyone who has previously been there be able to recommend
guides/interpreters and suitable hotels (if not in Zbaraz itself then
perhaps in Ternopil (Tarnopol)?

Any other advice and guidance would be very welcome too.

Thanks and regards

Jeff Segal
London

Researching
DORFGAJER, GRADEL, TEMPELDYNER, FRYDMAN (Lublin)
SEGAL, SAPHIER (Zbaraz)
STOLLAR, SHLOCHEVSKY (Poltava)

Moderator Note: Please respond privately.


Births and midwives #galicia

Gabe Kingsley <gabek1@...>
 

I first want to thank all who responded to my question about birth
registration in the name of the mother, or even the failure to
register a birth. I received many informative and highly interesting
responses that are quite enlightening about the time in which our
ancestors lived, how alienated they felt >from surrounding society and
the eternal importance of family.

I wanted to pass along a curious anecdote about my grandfather Juda
KUBERT's family >from Jezierzany. My grandfather's oldest son, my
father's oldest brother, told me that the midwife who delivered him
and his three younger brothers (all boys in the family) was the same
woman who attended the five births of my grandfather and his four
siblings in Jezierzany and Skala. All four of his children were born
while they lived at two of different addresses on Rivington St. on
the Lower-East Side of New York. Her name was Rebecca Rosenstock and
she lived on Houston St. I have not yet taken time to search for her
immigration record, but plan to do so.

Gabe Kingsley
Hayward, CA

Jezierzany: KUBERT, SPERLING, WEISSBROT
Husiatyn: SEIDMAN, ROSENHAUCH
Skala: GERTLER/GARTLER, JAGENDORF
Wasylkowce: ROSENHAUCH

Moderator Note: Please respond privately.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Births and midwives #galicia

Gabe Kingsley <gabek1@...>
 

I first want to thank all who responded to my question about birth
registration in the name of the mother, or even the failure to
register a birth. I received many informative and highly interesting
responses that are quite enlightening about the time in which our
ancestors lived, how alienated they felt >from surrounding society and
the eternal importance of family.

I wanted to pass along a curious anecdote about my grandfather Juda
KUBERT's family >from Jezierzany. My grandfather's oldest son, my
father's oldest brother, told me that the midwife who delivered him
and his three younger brothers (all boys in the family) was the same
woman who attended the five births of my grandfather and his four
siblings in Jezierzany and Skala. All four of his children were born
while they lived at two of different addresses on Rivington St. on
the Lower-East Side of New York. Her name was Rebecca Rosenstock and
she lived on Houston St. I have not yet taken time to search for her
immigration record, but plan to do so.

Gabe Kingsley
Hayward, CA

Jezierzany: KUBERT, SPERLING, WEISSBROT
Husiatyn: SEIDMAN, ROSENHAUCH
Skala: GERTLER/GARTLER, JAGENDORF
Wasylkowce: ROSENHAUCH

Moderator Note: Please respond privately.


Re: More warts - what was not told #general

henryn <henryn@...>
 

Joy:

Thanks for your post on this thread:

Joy Weaver at joyweave@... wrote on 11/5/05 12:50 AM:

<snip>


My grandfather's revealed that he died by jumping out the window of a TB
sanitorium and my husband's gf's revealed that he died of syphilis of
the brain.

No wonder no one wanted to tell me anything when I asked!
My family has a similar story: There are unconfirmed rumors about the
less-than-honorable death of ...

When working with information about my relatives or others >from the same
shtetls, I'm often faced with this issue. Sometimes what I have about a
particular person is mostly warts.

I try to consider first the people who were murdered: Had they lived, they
would have chosen to reveal their warts, to conceal them, to overcome them
-- or some other choice I can't even imagine. I wish they could speak for
themselves, but they can't.

In theory, I'm prepared to reveal their warts if that's what can be found
about them, with care and consideration for their descendents. In practice,
I find myself holding back such information.

However I choose, as a descendent, the act of making such choices is a way
to undo a little of the damage.

Thanks,

Henry

Henry Neugass
Palo Alto, CA
henryn@... remove 'zzz'


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: More warts - what was not told #general

henryn <henryn@...>
 

Joy:

Thanks for your post on this thread:

Joy Weaver at joyweave@... wrote on 11/5/05 12:50 AM:

<snip>


My grandfather's revealed that he died by jumping out the window of a TB
sanitorium and my husband's gf's revealed that he died of syphilis of
the brain.

No wonder no one wanted to tell me anything when I asked!
My family has a similar story: There are unconfirmed rumors about the
less-than-honorable death of ...

When working with information about my relatives or others >from the same
shtetls, I'm often faced with this issue. Sometimes what I have about a
particular person is mostly warts.

I try to consider first the people who were murdered: Had they lived, they
would have chosen to reveal their warts, to conceal them, to overcome them
-- or some other choice I can't even imagine. I wish they could speak for
themselves, but they can't.

In theory, I'm prepared to reveal their warts if that's what can be found
about them, with care and consideration for their descendents. In practice,
I find myself holding back such information.

However I choose, as a descendent, the act of making such choices is a way
to undo a little of the damage.

Thanks,

Henry

Henry Neugass
Palo Alto, CA
henryn@... remove 'zzz'


Re: Correction - Origin of Rabbi Oshry's Name #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Unwittingly, I typed the incorrect psalm number for the origin of Rabbi
Oshry's name in my prior message. The correct one is for the psalm known as
The Ashrei, Psalm #145.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Correction - Origin of Rabbi Oshry's Name #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Unwittingly, I typed the incorrect psalm number for the origin of Rabbi
Oshry's name in my prior message. The correct one is for the psalm known as
The Ashrei, Psalm #145.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Searching for Dita YAGLOM or JAGLOM #general

Jane Reifer <cluttercontrol@...>
 

I wonder if someone can help me get in touch with Dita YAGLOM or JAGLOM of
Israel. She was the daughter of Manfred and Janka REIFER, cousins of mine. I
understand that her husband was once mayor of Karmiel, Israel, but I can't
seem to confirm that. She is also the sister-in-law of Raia YAGLOM.

Thank you for replying privately.

Jane Ehrlich Reifer
Fullerton, California, USA

Researching:
REIFER, SAPORIA, SPASSER (any country)
REISCH (Revna & Chernivtsi, Ukraine)
ROESSLER / RESSLER, HOROWITZ (Horodenka, Stetsova & Chernivtsi, Ukraine)
HERZ, DAVIDOWITZ, SCHOEN, EHRLICH (Hungary, Czechoslovakia)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Dita YAGLOM or JAGLOM #general

Jane Reifer <cluttercontrol@...>
 

I wonder if someone can help me get in touch with Dita YAGLOM or JAGLOM of
Israel. She was the daughter of Manfred and Janka REIFER, cousins of mine. I
understand that her husband was once mayor of Karmiel, Israel, but I can't
seem to confirm that. She is also the sister-in-law of Raia YAGLOM.

Thank you for replying privately.

Jane Ehrlich Reifer
Fullerton, California, USA

Researching:
REIFER, SAPORIA, SPASSER (any country)
REISCH (Revna & Chernivtsi, Ukraine)
ROESSLER / RESSLER, HOROWITZ (Horodenka, Stetsova & Chernivtsi, Ukraine)
HERZ, DAVIDOWITZ, SCHOEN, EHRLICH (Hungary, Czechoslovakia)