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Researching HIRSCH - Karlsruhe, Bad Wildungen. #germany

Phyllis Durra <meldrum@...>
 

Dear Gersiggers,
In my HIRSCH research I received a recommendation to contact:
Elaine Peizer of Seattle, Washington, USA.
However, my Email to her was returned as " undeliverable ".
Please oblige and let me know her current Email address. Many Thanks.

Ernie Durra. Cape Town. South Africa. Email: meldrum@absamail.co.za


German SIG #Germany Researching HIRSCH - Karlsruhe, Bad Wildungen. #germany

Phyllis Durra <meldrum@...>
 

Dear Gersiggers,
In my HIRSCH research I received a recommendation to contact:
Elaine Peizer of Seattle, Washington, USA.
However, my Email to her was returned as " undeliverable ".
Please oblige and let me know her current Email address. Many Thanks.

Ernie Durra. Cape Town. South Africa. Email: meldrum@absamail.co.za


Re: Vital records up to 1874 Germany #germany

Raymond Dakers <ray.dakers@...>
 

Dear Geoff
After more than 5 years research in different German archives, I have come
across nearly all of what you have described.

In Westphalia it would appear that there were no strict rules as to entries
for BMD up to 1874, hence you will find different columns with either
Surname/given name or Given name /Surname. In this region the most common
form of an entry up to 1874 was a written report of the event which is very
detailed.

{Based on my experience, I would say that] it was very common during this time
period for Jews to have more than one given name.

Ray Dakers, Bad Pyrmont, Germany, ray.dakers@t-online.de


German SIG #Germany Re: Vital records up to 1874 Germany #germany

Raymond Dakers <ray.dakers@...>
 

Dear Geoff
After more than 5 years research in different German archives, I have come
across nearly all of what you have described.

In Westphalia it would appear that there were no strict rules as to entries
for BMD up to 1874, hence you will find different columns with either
Surname/given name or Given name /Surname. In this region the most common
form of an entry up to 1874 was a written report of the event which is very
detailed.

{Based on my experience, I would say that] it was very common during this time
period for Jews to have more than one given name.

Ray Dakers, Bad Pyrmont, Germany, ray.dakers@t-online.de


Re: Vital Records - Germany mid 1800's #germany

Hermann, da Fonseca-Wollheim <Hermann.da.Fonseca-Wollheim@...>
 

Geoff Kaiser in Melbourne, Australia asked:
".....have others encountered the situation where some entries may
have the given name before surname and other entries the other way around?
Is this likely? Were the protocols for entry of the names etc strict or at
the whim of the registrar? Perhaps this is also just a function of my
inexperience in recognising that sometimes given and surnames are
"interchangeable" eg Jacob Myer and Myer Jacob.
In this time period was it common for Jews to have more than one given name?....."
=============>

In the official list of Silesian Jews who had received Prussian citizenship,
about 10 percent have more than one given name (Samuel Gottlieb, Wolf
Fischel, Jacob Elias etc). Dual surnames existed but were very unusual.

The rules for the entries into the "Standesamt" registers were (and are)
very strict. However, some registrars might have entered the names in the
form that was used in their region. But iven then, it could only be "given
name - surname" or "surname - COMA - given name".

The only place where the registrars seem to have had some liberty was
"Religion". I have seen the books of a "Standesamt" which had two registrars
with very different handwriting. One entered always "mosaisch" and the other
always "juedisch".

Hermann da Fonseca-Wollheim Tervuren, Belgium
Hermann.da.Fonseca-Wollheim@telenet.be


German SIG #Germany Re: Vital Records - Germany mid 1800's #germany

Hermann, da Fonseca-Wollheim <Hermann.da.Fonseca-Wollheim@...>
 

Geoff Kaiser in Melbourne, Australia asked:
".....have others encountered the situation where some entries may
have the given name before surname and other entries the other way around?
Is this likely? Were the protocols for entry of the names etc strict or at
the whim of the registrar? Perhaps this is also just a function of my
inexperience in recognising that sometimes given and surnames are
"interchangeable" eg Jacob Myer and Myer Jacob.
In this time period was it common for Jews to have more than one given name?....."
=============>

In the official list of Silesian Jews who had received Prussian citizenship,
about 10 percent have more than one given name (Samuel Gottlieb, Wolf
Fischel, Jacob Elias etc). Dual surnames existed but were very unusual.

The rules for the entries into the "Standesamt" registers were (and are)
very strict. However, some registrars might have entered the names in the
form that was used in their region. But iven then, it could only be "given
name - surname" or "surname - COMA - given name".

The only place where the registrars seem to have had some liberty was
"Religion". I have seen the books of a "Standesamt" which had two registrars
with very different handwriting. One entered always "mosaisch" and the other
always "juedisch".

Hermann da Fonseca-Wollheim Tervuren, Belgium
Hermann.da.Fonseca-Wollheim@telenet.be


Re: Vital Records - Germany mid 1800's #germany

Naomi Sachs-Amrami <n.sachsamrami@...>
 

Dear all,
Like Geoff, I am working on the translation and transcription of the
Unruhstadt records - he and I have split the load and I am currently working
on the births. One of us will eventually tackle the marriages...

In any case, what I believe I am finding is that many of the "double names"
are in fact patronymics (assuming that "formal" surnames were not 100% in
use in Posen prior to 1826-ish). In one case, for example, I have an 1817
birth record where the parents' names are clearly stated "Itzig Meyer" and
"Hannah Jacob". Can I assume >from this that Itzig's father's first name was
Meyer, and that Hannah's father's name was more than likely Jacob? The
first time a surname shows up for one of the offspring of this couple is in
1826 - the surname in this case is ZIRKER. Not remotely close to Meyer or
Jacob, or???

If anyone else has some insight both Geoff and I would greatly appreciate
hearing >from you. It is our intention to eventually make the transcriptions
available as part of the JRI-PL database.

Thanks in advance for any / all replies, and please wish us luck with the
handwriting. Some of it is spectacularly challenging to decipher!

Naomi Sachs-Amrami Los Angeles, California

Currently Researching: SACHS, SCHIMMELMANN, ZIRKER, SOMMERFELD, GRAETZ,
ABRAHAM, LONDON in Unruhstadt/Kargowa, Berlin, Liegnitz, Wreschen, Glogau, Braetz


German SIG #Germany RE: Vital Records - Germany mid 1800's #germany

Naomi Sachs-Amrami <n.sachsamrami@...>
 

Dear all,
Like Geoff, I am working on the translation and transcription of the
Unruhstadt records - he and I have split the load and I am currently working
on the births. One of us will eventually tackle the marriages...

In any case, what I believe I am finding is that many of the "double names"
are in fact patronymics (assuming that "formal" surnames were not 100% in
use in Posen prior to 1826-ish). In one case, for example, I have an 1817
birth record where the parents' names are clearly stated "Itzig Meyer" and
"Hannah Jacob". Can I assume >from this that Itzig's father's first name was
Meyer, and that Hannah's father's name was more than likely Jacob? The
first time a surname shows up for one of the offspring of this couple is in
1826 - the surname in this case is ZIRKER. Not remotely close to Meyer or
Jacob, or???

If anyone else has some insight both Geoff and I would greatly appreciate
hearing >from you. It is our intention to eventually make the transcriptions
available as part of the JRI-PL database.

Thanks in advance for any / all replies, and please wish us luck with the
handwriting. Some of it is spectacularly challenging to decipher!

Naomi Sachs-Amrami Los Angeles, California

Currently Researching: SACHS, SCHIMMELMANN, ZIRKER, SOMMERFELD, GRAETZ,
ABRAHAM, LONDON in Unruhstadt/Kargowa, Berlin, Liegnitz, Wreschen, Glogau, Braetz


Chayet family #belarus

Alanjfel@...
 

My grandfathers name was Louis (Leble)Chayet. He had 2 sisters that I know
of- married names were Bass and Bloomberg. I have something of his mother
(maybe)? Lena, Chaia Leah b. Revim being buried in Washington Cemetery in NY
Died on August 21, 1902-age 60, and/or his father too.
I have come up with a number of references to Shchedrin in various places.
Bobruisk,Mogilev, and maybe another.
Spelling is also of question. I have come across a number- Chait, Chaet,
Chyatt, Cheytt, and Chiatt. These are >from various shtetls in the same area I
think. I haven't been able to come up with anything conclusive.
Does this mean anything to anyone?
Alan Feldman
Atlanta, GA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Chayet family #belarus

Alanjfel@...
 

My grandfathers name was Louis (Leble)Chayet. He had 2 sisters that I know
of- married names were Bass and Bloomberg. I have something of his mother
(maybe)? Lena, Chaia Leah b. Revim being buried in Washington Cemetery in NY
Died on August 21, 1902-age 60, and/or his father too.
I have come up with a number of references to Shchedrin in various places.
Bobruisk,Mogilev, and maybe another.
Spelling is also of question. I have come across a number- Chait, Chaet,
Chyatt, Cheytt, and Chiatt. These are >from various shtetls in the same area I
think. I haven't been able to come up with anything conclusive.
Does this mean anything to anyone?
Alan Feldman
Atlanta, GA


Re: New Children's Book -MARC CHAGALL BIOGRAPHY #belarus

bud484bg@...
 

For Belarus researchers:

Thought some of you might be interested in the just published
biography "Dreamer >from the Village" Story of Marc Chagall by
Children's author, Michelle Markel, illustrated by Emily Lisker, Henry
Holt Publisher, August 2005.

The "Village" of course, is near Vitebsk. This is a wonderful book to
inspire the young ones and possibly some future genealogists to
continue our research! It has already had great reviews. i.e.

"an outstanding illustrated biography" - Association of Jewish
Libraries
"an excellent portrait of an artist that will open and expand
children's minds" School Library Journal

I must divulge my relationship to the author: Michelle Markel is my
daughter. As a member of Belarus SIG, our family origins are imbedded
in the region -

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California

Researching: KAGAN/KAHAN: Dokszyce/Dolginov/Vileika
ZAPODNIK: Dokszyce/Dolgnov/Vileika/Kurenets


Name Question #belarus

hat1946@...
 

On one of my family headstones one brother's name
appears as Nisan ben (Yechiel) is this Yiddish ? On
his brother's stone the name appears as Eliyahu ben
(Zissel) is this Hebrew ?
Why would brothers had two different father's name's.
Thank You

Hattie Berman Murphy
New York City

Searching: Berman, Michaelson, Kaplan, Minsk
Connors, Davidoff - Minsk or Aust.Hungry





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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: New Children's Book -MARC CHAGALL BIOGRAPHY #belarus

bud484bg@...
 

For Belarus researchers:

Thought some of you might be interested in the just published
biography "Dreamer >from the Village" Story of Marc Chagall by
Children's author, Michelle Markel, illustrated by Emily Lisker, Henry
Holt Publisher, August 2005.

The "Village" of course, is near Vitebsk. This is a wonderful book to
inspire the young ones and possibly some future genealogists to
continue our research! It has already had great reviews. i.e.

"an outstanding illustrated biography" - Association of Jewish
Libraries
"an excellent portrait of an artist that will open and expand
children's minds" School Library Journal

I must divulge my relationship to the author: Michelle Markel is my
daughter. As a member of Belarus SIG, our family origins are imbedded
in the region -

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California

Researching: KAGAN/KAHAN: Dokszyce/Dolginov/Vileika
ZAPODNIK: Dokszyce/Dolgnov/Vileika/Kurenets


Belarus SIG #Belarus Name Question #belarus

hat1946@...
 

On one of my family headstones one brother's name
appears as Nisan ben (Yechiel) is this Yiddish ? On
his brother's stone the name appears as Eliyahu ben
(Zissel) is this Hebrew ?
Why would brothers had two different father's name's.
Thank You

Hattie Berman Murphy
New York City

Searching: Berman, Michaelson, Kaplan, Minsk
Connors, Davidoff - Minsk or Aust.Hungry





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Re: Ruth and Stan Diamonds wedding anniversary #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

In a message dated 11/7/2005 1:43:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
a.sharon@shaw.ca writes:

Our dearest friend Stan Diamond and his wife Ruth are celebrating their 40th
wedding anniversary.
Stan's contribution to the Jewish Genealogy is enormous indeed.
snip>>>

Dear Alexander,
Thank you Alexander for sharing this special notice with us! I think a
Mazel Tov contribution to JRI-Poland or JGen is in order!

Again, Mazel Tov Ruth and Stanley!
Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ

MODERATOR NOTE: The link to Jewish Gen-erosity may be found at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ruth and Stan Diamonds wedding anniversary #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

In a message dated 11/7/2005 1:43:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
a.sharon@shaw.ca writes:

Our dearest friend Stan Diamond and his wife Ruth are celebrating their 40th
wedding anniversary.
Stan's contribution to the Jewish Genealogy is enormous indeed.
snip>>>

Dear Alexander,
Thank you Alexander for sharing this special notice with us! I think a
Mazel Tov contribution to JRI-Poland or JGen is in order!

Again, Mazel Tov Ruth and Stanley!
Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ

MODERATOR NOTE: The link to Jewish Gen-erosity may be found at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


Cemetery Ownership [& old topo maps] #hungary

mt-b <71431.1612@...>
 

Peter Bakos asked about obtaining old topographical maps. Check out the
maps available at the Hungarian National Library in Budapest. In 1998, I
viewed a number of maps for Deutschkreutz, then in Sopron county but now in
Austria's Burgenland province. I ordered a copy of one >from the staff.

Good luck.

Maureen Tighe-Brown


Vasarosnameny Records #hungary

Henry Lifton <henlif@...>
 

Vasarosnameny was in Hungary and is now in the Ukraine. I heard that the
civil records were moved to Beregszasz in Ukraine.

Does any one know where to get birth records >from there?

I am looking for Tibor Weisz, born April 17, 1898. What I need is his
parents names and where they were from

Thanks
Henry Lifton
Boca Raton, FL

Researching Haas, Weisz, Katz, Friedman


Hungary SIG #Hungary Cemetery Ownership [& old topo maps] #hungary

mt-b <71431.1612@...>
 

Peter Bakos asked about obtaining old topographical maps. Check out the
maps available at the Hungarian National Library in Budapest. In 1998, I
viewed a number of maps for Deutschkreutz, then in Sopron county but now in
Austria's Burgenland province. I ordered a copy of one >from the staff.

Good luck.

Maureen Tighe-Brown


Hungary SIG #Hungary Vasarosnameny Records #hungary

Henry Lifton <henlif@...>
 

Vasarosnameny was in Hungary and is now in the Ukraine. I heard that the
civil records were moved to Beregszasz in Ukraine.

Does any one know where to get birth records >from there?

I am looking for Tibor Weisz, born April 17, 1898. What I need is his
parents names and where they were from

Thanks
Henry Lifton
Boca Raton, FL

Researching Haas, Weisz, Katz, Friedman