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Re: CHAITOVICH family #southafrica Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...> #294567 In regard to the CHAITOVICH family inquiry, you did not mention what resources you had already used to locate information. Have you utilized, for instance, the resources of JewishGEN such as the JGFF to locate others researching your family name? Have you obtained any vital records for your family? Stating these things in your inquiry helps those who may want to assist you so that they don't duplicate your efforts. I would suggest that you research your Manchester roots first so that you can obtain the correct name for your family and their first names. You can do several things towards this end: 1. Contact Lorna Kay of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Manchester. 2. Research the Manchester links on the Jewish Genealogy Society of Great Britain web site. 3. Post an inquiry in the genealogy section of the Jewish newspaper in Manchester. After you have done that, if you haven't done it already, utilize the following basic South African resources: 1. The SA SIG web site 2. The National Archives of South Africa. 3. The ROOTSWEB web site. Good luck!!! Ann Rabinowitz annrab@...
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Addition of Prussak photos #southafrica Arlene Beare <arl@...> #294568 Family photos of the Prussak family were sent to me and I have posted them on my Riga shtetlinks page. http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/riga/rigapage.htm click on ancestors photos or go direct to URL http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/riga/Ancestors_Photos.htm Arlene Beare Webmaster Rigapage
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Salamon & Rappaport #southafrica Jeff & Mel Osrin <jeffosri@...> #294569 Hi All , I was wondering if anyone can help me regarding the Families Salamon and Green . The problem is that I do not have many dates . Meyer Oscar Salamon and Celia ( nee Tick) were >from Russia . They moved to England with their children . The list below are their names . Israel Salamon - ( eventually emigrated to America) Sarah Ester Salamon born +- 1876( married Morris Rappaport - my great grandfather, died in South Africa) Raie Salamon ( married surname Wittenberg died in South Africa) Minnie Salamon ( married surname Rieck died 1979/0/24 , buried Pinelands , South Africa) Hyman Salamon (died 1964 - 03 - 28 in Cape Town South Africa) Betty Salamon (married surname Fink , died 1986-01-24 Cape Town , South Africa) Beattie Salamon ( Married surname Krieger) Sam Salamon Nan Salamon (married surname Hessen , died 1964 - 11-29 in Cape Town South Africa) I am also looking for information about Jacob Green's 2 brothers . Jacob married Rachel Unterschalg and moved to South Africa. His 2 brother were Sam ( moved >from Russia to Scotland) & Max ( who moved to America) Thanks in Advance Jeff Osrin Cape Town South Africa
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: CHAITOVICH family #southafrica Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...> #614790 In regard to the CHAITOVICH family inquiry, you did not mention what resources you had already used to locate information. Have you utilized, for instance, the resources of JewishGEN such as the JGFF to locate others researching your family name? Have you obtained any vital records for your family? Stating these things in your inquiry helps those who may want to assist you so that they don't duplicate your efforts. I would suggest that you research your Manchester roots first so that you can obtain the correct name for your family and their first names. You can do several things towards this end: 1. Contact Lorna Kay of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Manchester. 2. Research the Manchester links on the Jewish Genealogy Society of Great Britain web site. 3. Post an inquiry in the genealogy section of the Jewish newspaper in Manchester. After you have done that, if you haven't done it already, utilize the following basic South African resources: 1. The SA SIG web site 2. The National Archives of South Africa. 3. The ROOTSWEB web site. Good luck!!! Ann Rabinowitz annrab@...
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Addition of Prussak photos #southafrica Arlene Beare <arl@...> #614791 Family photos of the Prussak family were sent to me and I have posted them on my Riga shtetlinks page. http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/riga/rigapage.htm click on ancestors photos or go direct to URL http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/riga/Ancestors_Photos.htm Arlene Beare Webmaster Rigapage
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Salamon & Rappaport #southafrica Jeff & Mel Osrin <jeffosri@...> #614792 Hi All , I was wondering if anyone can help me regarding the Families Salamon and Green . The problem is that I do not have many dates . Meyer Oscar Salamon and Celia ( nee Tick) were >from Russia . They moved to England with their children . The list below are their names . Israel Salamon - ( eventually emigrated to America) Sarah Ester Salamon born +- 1876( married Morris Rappaport - my great grandfather, died in South Africa) Raie Salamon ( married surname Wittenberg died in South Africa) Minnie Salamon ( married surname Rieck died 1979/0/24 , buried Pinelands , South Africa) Hyman Salamon (died 1964 - 03 - 28 in Cape Town South Africa) Betty Salamon (married surname Fink , died 1986-01-24 Cape Town , South Africa) Beattie Salamon ( Married surname Krieger) Sam Salamon Nan Salamon (married surname Hessen , died 1964 - 11-29 in Cape Town South Africa) I am also looking for information about Jacob Green's 2 brothers . Jacob married Rachel Unterschalg and moved to South Africa. His 2 brother were Sam ( moved >from Russia to Scotland) & Max ( who moved to America) Thanks in Advance Jeff Osrin Cape Town South Africa
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Immigration to London from Eastern Europe #belarus MavAlan Shaffer <mavalan_shaffer@...> #18435 Dear JGenners, Does anyone know if there is a website for immigration to UK similar to the one for Ellis Island to the US? With thanks. Mavis Shaffer Essex, England ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Immigration to London from Eastern Europe #belarus MavAlan Shaffer <mavalan_shaffer@...> #338875 Dear JGenners, Does anyone know if there is a website for immigration to UK similar to the one for Ellis Island to the US? With thanks. Mavis Shaffer Essex, England ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/
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Jewish DP-Camp Feldafing #belarus Tmahl <Tobias.Mahl@...> #18434 Dear readers of this mailing list, I am doing a research project for the authorities of the city of munich concerning the history of the famous Villa Waldberta in Feldafing at the Lake Starnberg near Munich. Today the building is owned by the city of Munich and used as a residence for art scholarship holders. from 1945-1952 the villa was occupied by the US-Army for the purposes of the jewish Displaced-Persons-Camp in Feldafing. The Archive of the Zentrum für Antisemitsimusforschung in Berlin keeps copies of the "Leo-Schwarz-Papers" and "DP-Germany"-papers in which I found several lists with the names of inhabitants of the Villa Waldberta. The inhabitants mainly came >from Eastern Europe and Germany. The city of Munich and I are very interested in finding persons who may be still alive and have lived in the Villa during the described period or maybe any descendants of persons that have lived in the building and have died in the meantime. Maybe you know some of the names? I have listed the names, the place of birth and the date of birth below. Sometimes it is very difficult to read the original text so I have marked it with a "?". It is then mainly meant as "Sounds like". "geb" means "born". Here are the names: Awend, Berend; geb. Auschwitz, 18.2.1918 Awend, Dina; geb. Skarzysko, 1.12.1920 Awend, Salomon; geb. Feldafing, 10.7.1947 Aport, Fischel; geb. Skarzysko, 10.9.1902 Ajzenbut (?), Haskiel; geb. Pinsk, 27.9.1887 Ajzenbut, Mirka; geb. Pinsk, 20.11.1893 Ajzenbut, Mowsza; geb. Pinsk, 24.6.1929 Ajzenbut, Estera; geb. Pinsk, 20.10.1927 Balaban, Szyfra; geb. Radzwikour (?), 2.1.1905 Baukowicz/Bajkowicz, Ilja/Elia; geb. Tylzyk (?), 3.5.1902 Baukowicz/Bajkowicz, Fruma; geb. Tylzyk (?), 24.12.1908 Baukowicz/Bajkowicz, Harry, geb. Tylzyk (?), 4.10.1936 Baukowicz/Bajkowicz, Jakob, geb. Tylzyk (?), 1.11.1938 Drzewo, Jakob, geb. Zawiereu (?), 11.11.1921 Drzewo, Jadzier (?), geb. Olkusz, 15.2.1929 (?) Ellert, Hermann, geb. Nousztadt (Neustadt?), 21.10.1911 Ellert, Erna; geb. Auschwitz, 12.9.1920 Ellert, Heni; geb. Nousztadt (Neustadt?), 12.9.1922 Fischer, Febe (?); Auschwitz, 25.6.1925 Flurman, Luzer; Warschau, 7.11.1921 Flurman, Felen (?); Warschau, 22.5.1923 Flurman, Bruchen (?); Feldafing, 24.10.1946 Finkielsztayn, Abram; geb. Przysucha, 10.3.1918 Finkielsztayn, Sabina; geb. Przysucha, 4.11.1924 Grun (?), Izdor; geb. Milowka, 23.9.1911 Grun (?), Morja; geb. Sosnowiec, 1.5.1920 Grun (?), Bert; geb. München, 29.12.1946 Gordon, Jakob; geb. Kurpi (?), 10.1.1896 Gordon, Rachela; geb. Kowno, 6.8.1912 Gordon, Moses; geb. Memel, 8.4.1926 Gordon, Jakob (no further information) Galperin, Haskiel; geb. Szeiwle (?), 20.7.1921 Galperin, Sara; geb. Szeiwle (?), 15.3.1898 Kutner, Pejsach/Pesach; geb. Ozorkow, 23.2.1901 Kutner, Marja; geb. Ozorkow, 12.05.1906 Kutner, Leib; geb. ?, 12.12.1924 Kutner, Peppi; geb. Pojend.Rin (?), 28.1.1926 Kiperman(n), Hersch/Hersz; geb. Radziwillow, 2.1.1902 Kiperman(n), Hana; geb. Radziwillow, 3.6.1905 Kiperman(n), Ita; geb. Radziwillow, 4.5.1931 Kielczyglowksi, Berek; geb. Ozsstochowe (?), 18.3.1918 Kielczyglowksi, ?, geb. Radomsk, 1.9.1924 Kielczyglowksi, Aydyl; geb. Feldafing, 29.3.1947 Kirsz, Oszer, Lodz, 1.5.1909 Kirsz, Rosze (?), ?, 5.5.1917 Kirsz, Abram; Feldafing, 29.3.1947 Kaweblum, Helen; geb. Lodz, 6.10.1917 Lechler, Eugennie (?); geb. Tarnow, 24.6.1921 Lechler, Gustav; geb. München, 1.8.1947 Lewkowicz, ?; geb. Olkusz, 1.8.1921 Lewkowicz, Abram; geb. Sosnowiec, 15.5.1921 Lipszyc, Zendel; geb. Kowno, 15.2.1906 Lipszyc, Rachela; geb. Kowno, 15.4.1910 Lipzyc, Mayer/Wolf.; geb. Feldafing, 29.1.1946 Mielich, Hersch; geb. Czestochowa, 13.6.1921 Mielich, Blume, geb. Plock; 18.6.1922 Mielich, Abram; geb. Feldafing, 29.1.1946 Najber(..), Izrael; geb. Pinczew, 28.3.1905 Najber(...), (?), geb. Plock, 18.6.1922 Najber(...), Cywja (?); Feldafing, 20.3.1947 Perelmuter, Haim; geb. Szczercow, 3.6.1909 Reysztayn, Elgasz; geb. Krakau, 22.2.1922 Reysztayn, Frieda; geb. Auschwitz, 25.6.1923 Rozencwayg, Fanach; geb. Lodz, 10.11.1913 Rozencwayg, Bela; geb. Litomirsk, 8.7.1920 Rozencwayg, Laje (?); geb. Feldafing, 19.10.1946 Skora, Samuel; geb. Sosnowitz, 16.4.1919 Skora, Stella; geb. Zywiec, 10.8.1923 Taube, Szlamek; geb. Tobieszki (?), 8.12.1913 Transport, Bronia; geb. Plock, 3.3.1923 Transport Mania; geb. Plock, 5.5.1916 Wolman, Majer; geb. Warschau, 22.9.1920 Wolman, Rozia (?); geb. Warschau, 5.12.1925 Wolman, Pessa (?); geb. Feldafing, 26.8.1946 Zyndorf, Icek (?); geb. Sosnowitz, 10.2.1913 Zyndorf, Dora; geb. Sosnowitz, 20.7.1926 Zyndorf, Benjamin; geb. Wolbrom (?), 10.4.1918 Zyndorf, Genu (?); geb. Dzialoszyn, 14.8.1926 Zwirn, David; geb.Korczs(...), 15.3.1924 Zwirn, Genie(...); geb. Bidzin (?), 7.3.1927 Further Names: Sowinska (no further information) Lehrer, Eugenia; Tarnow, 24.6.192? Lehrer, Leon; Stryi, 14.9.1918 Thanks for your help! Tobias Mahl Munich Gerrmany
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Jewish DP-Camp Feldafing #belarus Tmahl <Tobias.Mahl@...> #338874 Dear readers of this mailing list, I am doing a research project for the authorities of the city of munich concerning the history of the famous Villa Waldberta in Feldafing at the Lake Starnberg near Munich. Today the building is owned by the city of Munich and used as a residence for art scholarship holders. from 1945-1952 the villa was occupied by the US-Army for the purposes of the jewish Displaced-Persons-Camp in Feldafing. The Archive of the Zentrum für Antisemitsimusforschung in Berlin keeps copies of the "Leo-Schwarz-Papers" and "DP-Germany"-papers in which I found several lists with the names of inhabitants of the Villa Waldberta. The inhabitants mainly came >from Eastern Europe and Germany. The city of Munich and I are very interested in finding persons who may be still alive and have lived in the Villa during the described period or maybe any descendants of persons that have lived in the building and have died in the meantime. Maybe you know some of the names? I have listed the names, the place of birth and the date of birth below. Sometimes it is very difficult to read the original text so I have marked it with a "?". It is then mainly meant as "Sounds like". "geb" means "born". Here are the names: Awend, Berend; geb. Auschwitz, 18.2.1918 Awend, Dina; geb. Skarzysko, 1.12.1920 Awend, Salomon; geb. Feldafing, 10.7.1947 Aport, Fischel; geb. Skarzysko, 10.9.1902 Ajzenbut (?), Haskiel; geb. Pinsk, 27.9.1887 Ajzenbut, Mirka; geb. Pinsk, 20.11.1893 Ajzenbut, Mowsza; geb. Pinsk, 24.6.1929 Ajzenbut, Estera; geb. Pinsk, 20.10.1927 Balaban, Szyfra; geb. Radzwikour (?), 2.1.1905 Baukowicz/Bajkowicz, Ilja/Elia; geb. Tylzyk (?), 3.5.1902 Baukowicz/Bajkowicz, Fruma; geb. Tylzyk (?), 24.12.1908 Baukowicz/Bajkowicz, Harry, geb. Tylzyk (?), 4.10.1936 Baukowicz/Bajkowicz, Jakob, geb. Tylzyk (?), 1.11.1938 Drzewo, Jakob, geb. Zawiereu (?), 11.11.1921 Drzewo, Jadzier (?), geb. Olkusz, 15.2.1929 (?) Ellert, Hermann, geb. Nousztadt (Neustadt?), 21.10.1911 Ellert, Erna; geb. Auschwitz, 12.9.1920 Ellert, Heni; geb. Nousztadt (Neustadt?), 12.9.1922 Fischer, Febe (?); Auschwitz, 25.6.1925 Flurman, Luzer; Warschau, 7.11.1921 Flurman, Felen (?); Warschau, 22.5.1923 Flurman, Bruchen (?); Feldafing, 24.10.1946 Finkielsztayn, Abram; geb. Przysucha, 10.3.1918 Finkielsztayn, Sabina; geb. Przysucha, 4.11.1924 Grun (?), Izdor; geb. Milowka, 23.9.1911 Grun (?), Morja; geb. Sosnowiec, 1.5.1920 Grun (?), Bert; geb. München, 29.12.1946 Gordon, Jakob; geb. Kurpi (?), 10.1.1896 Gordon, Rachela; geb. Kowno, 6.8.1912 Gordon, Moses; geb. Memel, 8.4.1926 Gordon, Jakob (no further information) Galperin, Haskiel; geb. Szeiwle (?), 20.7.1921 Galperin, Sara; geb. Szeiwle (?), 15.3.1898 Kutner, Pejsach/Pesach; geb. Ozorkow, 23.2.1901 Kutner, Marja; geb. Ozorkow, 12.05.1906 Kutner, Leib; geb. ?, 12.12.1924 Kutner, Peppi; geb. Pojend.Rin (?), 28.1.1926 Kiperman(n), Hersch/Hersz; geb. Radziwillow, 2.1.1902 Kiperman(n), Hana; geb. Radziwillow, 3.6.1905 Kiperman(n), Ita; geb. Radziwillow, 4.5.1931 Kielczyglowksi, Berek; geb. Ozsstochowe (?), 18.3.1918 Kielczyglowksi, ?, geb. Radomsk, 1.9.1924 Kielczyglowksi, Aydyl; geb. Feldafing, 29.3.1947 Kirsz, Oszer, Lodz, 1.5.1909 Kirsz, Rosze (?), ?, 5.5.1917 Kirsz, Abram; Feldafing, 29.3.1947 Kaweblum, Helen; geb. Lodz, 6.10.1917 Lechler, Eugennie (?); geb. Tarnow, 24.6.1921 Lechler, Gustav; geb. München, 1.8.1947 Lewkowicz, ?; geb. Olkusz, 1.8.1921 Lewkowicz, Abram; geb. Sosnowiec, 15.5.1921 Lipszyc, Zendel; geb. Kowno, 15.2.1906 Lipszyc, Rachela; geb. Kowno, 15.4.1910 Lipzyc, Mayer/Wolf.; geb. Feldafing, 29.1.1946 Mielich, Hersch; geb. Czestochowa, 13.6.1921 Mielich, Blume, geb. Plock; 18.6.1922 Mielich, Abram; geb. Feldafing, 29.1.1946 Najber(..), Izrael; geb. Pinczew, 28.3.1905 Najber(...), (?), geb. Plock, 18.6.1922 Najber(...), Cywja (?); Feldafing, 20.3.1947 Perelmuter, Haim; geb. Szczercow, 3.6.1909 Reysztayn, Elgasz; geb. Krakau, 22.2.1922 Reysztayn, Frieda; geb. Auschwitz, 25.6.1923 Rozencwayg, Fanach; geb. Lodz, 10.11.1913 Rozencwayg, Bela; geb. Litomirsk, 8.7.1920 Rozencwayg, Laje (?); geb. Feldafing, 19.10.1946 Skora, Samuel; geb. Sosnowitz, 16.4.1919 Skora, Stella; geb. Zywiec, 10.8.1923 Taube, Szlamek; geb. Tobieszki (?), 8.12.1913 Transport, Bronia; geb. Plock, 3.3.1923 Transport Mania; geb. Plock, 5.5.1916 Wolman, Majer; geb. Warschau, 22.9.1920 Wolman, Rozia (?); geb. Warschau, 5.12.1925 Wolman, Pessa (?); geb. Feldafing, 26.8.1946 Zyndorf, Icek (?); geb. Sosnowitz, 10.2.1913 Zyndorf, Dora; geb. Sosnowitz, 20.7.1926 Zyndorf, Benjamin; geb. Wolbrom (?), 10.4.1918 Zyndorf, Genu (?); geb. Dzialoszyn, 14.8.1926 Zwirn, David; geb.Korczs(...), 15.3.1924 Zwirn, Genie(...); geb. Bidzin (?), 7.3.1927 Further Names: Sowinska (no further information) Lehrer, Eugenia; Tarnow, 24.6.192? Lehrer, Leon; Stryi, 14.9.1918 Thanks for your help! Tobias Mahl Munich Gerrmany
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Re: Searching location of Sitnija, Ukraine #general Alexander Sharon #175526 Marjorie Goldberg wrote We are looking for a town or village in Ukraine that sounds like Sitnija. Various family members say the name differently. I have also heard, Shittinya and Shitneya. The only other clues I have is that it may be near or related to Jomel and Sloboda, all supposedly in Ukraine, but I have not been able to find any of the above. Just a postscriptum to Marjorie query. It was after all small village Sitnya in Belarus (not Ukraine), located half way between Mazyr and Kalinkavichi (approx. 3 miles distance >from each of those larger towns). We could only became certain that the village name was correct when Marjorie has provided researched family surname: KOMISSARCHIK. Surname is already listed several times in JGFF database for the nearby Kalinkavichi and Rechitsa, it also appears in Belarus SIG amongst the names of Duma voters and the other references. It just confirms that it is very helpful to furnish researched surnames together with the town inquiry. -- Regards, Alexander Sharon JGFF editor
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching location of Sitnija, Ukraine #general Alexander Sharon #495839 Marjorie Goldberg wrote We are looking for a town or village in Ukraine that sounds like Sitnija. Various family members say the name differently. I have also heard, Shittinya and Shitneya. The only other clues I have is that it may be near or related to Jomel and Sloboda, all supposedly in Ukraine, but I have not been able to find any of the above. Just a postscriptum to Marjorie query. It was after all small village Sitnya in Belarus (not Ukraine), located half way between Mazyr and Kalinkavichi (approx. 3 miles distance >from each of those larger towns). We could only became certain that the village name was correct when Marjorie has provided researched family surname: KOMISSARCHIK. Surname is already listed several times in JGFF database for the nearby Kalinkavichi and Rechitsa, it also appears in Belarus SIG amongst the names of Duma voters and the other references. It just confirms that it is very helpful to furnish researched surnames together with the town inquiry. -- Regards, Alexander Sharon JGFF editor
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Re: Zasenhoff #general Alexander Sharon #175525 Dorothy Rivers wrote Dear Genners, Here's a "kashe" for you. Where is Zassnhof? I have an ancestor born in Zassenhof and since the rest of the family came >from Riga I figure Zassenhof is in Latvia. Maybe it's got a new name! Dorothy, Place was actually known as Sassenhof and it became part of Riga. There are several references to "Sassenhof bei Reiga" Sassenhof appears to be also name of the Riga train station: Esatblished in 1877 railway line (55 km length) known as Riga- Tuckum EB run through three stations: Tokum-Jurmala-Sasenhoff (Riga) Refer to "Sassenhoff bei Riga" historical pictures at: http://tinyurl.com/9md9g Alexander Sharon Calgary, Ab
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zasenhoff #general Alexander Sharon #495838 Dorothy Rivers wrote Dear Genners, Here's a "kashe" for you. Where is Zassnhof? I have an ancestor born in Zassenhof and since the rest of the family came >from Riga I figure Zassenhof is in Latvia. Maybe it's got a new name! Dorothy, Place was actually known as Sassenhof and it became part of Riga. There are several references to "Sassenhof bei Reiga" Sassenhof appears to be also name of the Riga train station: Esatblished in 1877 railway line (55 km length) known as Riga- Tuckum EB run through three stations: Tokum-Jurmala-Sasenhoff (Riga) Refer to "Sassenhoff bei Riga" historical pictures at: http://tinyurl.com/9md9g Alexander Sharon Calgary, Ab
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Thank you for your response to finding a relative's NYC death certificate #general Barbara Musikar #175524 I want to thank all of those lists members who wrote me with suggestions and even offered to find the death certificates of my great grandmother, Sarah KLEMPNER and great aunt, Josephine CORN. I have still not been successful in locating their death certificates, but I now have the tools with which to search for them. After my daughter's wedding, when things will be less hectic than they are now, I will be making a concerted effort to find these "missing" documents. Barbara Musikar President of JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. KLEMPNER, CORN, PADELOFSKY, WALKOWISKI, ROISMAN, LEV, Brest, Kobrin, Belarus SAMSONOWITZ, KRUPENY, KRUPERNICK, WIDOLOK, Slonim, Belarus MUZYKANT, GLASS, SCHWARTZ, WINICK, WARNICK, KOTIK, Luninets, Kozhan Gorodok, Belarus RUBIN, BERGER, ROTH, PILZER, HELLER, KOGUT, WEIDERMAN, PADWA,Strusow, Zazdrost, Ukraine
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you for your response to finding a relative's NYC death certificate #general Barbara Musikar #495837 I want to thank all of those lists members who wrote me with suggestions and even offered to find the death certificates of my great grandmother, Sarah KLEMPNER and great aunt, Josephine CORN. I have still not been successful in locating their death certificates, but I now have the tools with which to search for them. After my daughter's wedding, when things will be less hectic than they are now, I will be making a concerted effort to find these "missing" documents. Barbara Musikar President of JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. KLEMPNER, CORN, PADELOFSKY, WALKOWISKI, ROISMAN, LEV, Brest, Kobrin, Belarus SAMSONOWITZ, KRUPENY, KRUPERNICK, WIDOLOK, Slonim, Belarus MUZYKANT, GLASS, SCHWARTZ, WINICK, WARNICK, KOTIK, Luninets, Kozhan Gorodok, Belarus RUBIN, BERGER, ROTH, PILZER, HELLER, KOGUT, WEIDERMAN, PADWA,Strusow, Zazdrost, Ukraine
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Re: Questions regarding Kolomea Vital Records #galicia Mark Halpern #59268 Elisha: Happy to try and help. Please see my responses inserted below. Mark Halpern JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator Dear Genners, I've received a bunch of birth, marriage and death records of my Kolomea family (thanks to the JRI-PL team). Deciphering the documents is not easy, as they are written in Polish and German, the registrars' cursive handwriting sometimes is almost illegible and some of the copies are of poor quality. The records date from the 1880's and 1890's. I'd appreciate getting some help on the following questions: 1.) Marriage records: a. Rabbi Jacob Thumim, who performed the marriages (column 5 in the records), was referred to as "rabin szkolnik". What does "szkolnik" mean? A "melamed" (teacher)? Szkolnik is Polish for teacher and Melamed is Hebrew. Rabin Szkolnik could mean Rabbi and Teacher or Rabbi's Assistant. b. In the marriage records of my g.g.g.parents, Meir LEDERFEIND (1825-1898) and Feige BRENNER (1834-1899), I found the home town of Feige's family: (Upper) Majdana or Majdnie. Does anyone know this town? Majdan Gorne, now called Verkhiny Maydan, is located at coordinates 4837, 2440, 18 miles WNW of Kolomyja and 4 miles ESE of Nadworna. The vital records for Majdan Gorne were registered at the Jewish Community registrar of Nadworna. 2.) Birth records: a. In the last column of the record ("Comments") is a statement that could mean something like: "I, father's name, declare this child to be mine." Is it right? Yes, when the parent's did not have a marriage recognized by the government authorities they were not considered married and the children were considered illegitimate by the State. The regulations did not allow the father's name to be recorded in the "Father" column, but allowed the father to make a statement of Paternity in front of two witnesses. This sworn statement was recorded in the Remarks (far right) column. 3.) Addresses: a. In the records no street names are mentioned. Kolomea was a fairly large town. Could it be that towards the end of the 19th century there were no street names? Yes, the only town in eastern Galicia where street numbers were used before the 20th Century was Lwow. b. Instead of street names there were house numbers, e.g., 364 1/4. I figure out that 1/4 means 1st flat of 4 flats in that house. Is it so? I think you are correct. Although I have not seen that type of recording on birth records, I have seen this type of recording on Census records in 1890 and 1910. By the way, in Tarnopol the 1890 Census utilized house numbers and the 1910 Census used street addresses. 4.) EIFERMAN >from Jerusalem, Palestine: a. In the birth record of my g.mother, Taube PALKER (born 1881) is written, that her mother's parents are Chaim and Rifka EIFERMAN from Jerusalem. Other records mention they were >from Palestine. Does this make sense? How do you explain this? If I recall my Israel Aliyah history correctly, the Eastern European emigration to Eretz Yisroel began in the 1880s and surely included Zionists >from Galicia. If you search the JRI-Poland database for the town of Jerozolima or Jerusalem, you will find over 100 records where some person referenced in that record lived in Jerusalem. Likewise a search for Palestine or Palestyna will result in over 100 matches. And a search for New York or Nowy Jork will result in over 50 hits.
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Questions regarding Kolomea Vital Records #galicia Mark Halpern #379620 Elisha: Happy to try and help. Please see my responses inserted below. Mark Halpern JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator Dear Genners, I've received a bunch of birth, marriage and death records of my Kolomea family (thanks to the JRI-PL team). Deciphering the documents is not easy, as they are written in Polish and German, the registrars' cursive handwriting sometimes is almost illegible and some of the copies are of poor quality. The records date from the 1880's and 1890's. I'd appreciate getting some help on the following questions: 1.) Marriage records: a. Rabbi Jacob Thumim, who performed the marriages (column 5 in the records), was referred to as "rabin szkolnik". What does "szkolnik" mean? A "melamed" (teacher)? Szkolnik is Polish for teacher and Melamed is Hebrew. Rabin Szkolnik could mean Rabbi and Teacher or Rabbi's Assistant. b. In the marriage records of my g.g.g.parents, Meir LEDERFEIND (1825-1898) and Feige BRENNER (1834-1899), I found the home town of Feige's family: (Upper) Majdana or Majdnie. Does anyone know this town? Majdan Gorne, now called Verkhiny Maydan, is located at coordinates 4837, 2440, 18 miles WNW of Kolomyja and 4 miles ESE of Nadworna. The vital records for Majdan Gorne were registered at the Jewish Community registrar of Nadworna. 2.) Birth records: a. In the last column of the record ("Comments") is a statement that could mean something like: "I, father's name, declare this child to be mine." Is it right? Yes, when the parent's did not have a marriage recognized by the government authorities they were not considered married and the children were considered illegitimate by the State. The regulations did not allow the father's name to be recorded in the "Father" column, but allowed the father to make a statement of Paternity in front of two witnesses. This sworn statement was recorded in the Remarks (far right) column. 3.) Addresses: a. In the records no street names are mentioned. Kolomea was a fairly large town. Could it be that towards the end of the 19th century there were no street names? Yes, the only town in eastern Galicia where street numbers were used before the 20th Century was Lwow. b. Instead of street names there were house numbers, e.g., 364 1/4. I figure out that 1/4 means 1st flat of 4 flats in that house. Is it so? I think you are correct. Although I have not seen that type of recording on birth records, I have seen this type of recording on Census records in 1890 and 1910. By the way, in Tarnopol the 1890 Census utilized house numbers and the 1910 Census used street addresses. 4.) EIFERMAN >from Jerusalem, Palestine: a. In the birth record of my g.mother, Taube PALKER (born 1881) is written, that her mother's parents are Chaim and Rifka EIFERMAN from Jerusalem. Other records mention they were >from Palestine. Does this make sense? How do you explain this? If I recall my Israel Aliyah history correctly, the Eastern European emigration to Eretz Yisroel began in the 1880s and surely included Zionists >from Galicia. If you search the JRI-Poland database for the town of Jerozolima or Jerusalem, you will find over 100 records where some person referenced in that record lived in Jerusalem. Likewise a search for Palestine or Palestyna will result in over 100 matches. And a search for New York or Nowy Jork will result in over 50 hits.
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Thanks to all! Re: Mosciskas and Stryszows #general n.kraus-friedberg@... #175523 Dear Genners, I want to thank all of you who responded to my questions about narrowing down my Mosciskas and Stryszows. It's great to know that there is a way of sifting through it all. Thanks for all your help! Nurit Kraus-Friedberg n.kraus-friedberg@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks to all! Re: Mosciskas and Stryszows #general n.kraus-friedberg@... #495836 Dear Genners, I want to thank all of you who responded to my questions about narrowing down my Mosciskas and Stryszows. It's great to know that there is a way of sifting through it all. Thanks for all your help! Nurit Kraus-Friedberg n.kraus-friedberg@...
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