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Surnames Weisman and Nusovich #general

BlueEyedHun02@...
 

My grandmother and her family lived in the Carpathian Mountains (in
Vinogradov, i think) before WWII and after it. My grandmother's maiden name was
Pesy WEISMAN and she had a twin sister named Rochel. They had an older brother
who passed away during the war. Pesy Weisman married Alter Simcha NUSOVICH (We
don't have much information on Alter Simcha because he passed away at a very
young age.) They had two children named Dovid Aaron (Dudi, David) and Etela.
I'm looking for any possible relatives >from Weisman's or Nusovich's.

I am also trying to find out what the surname for Nusovich can be.

Helen Nusovich
Brooklyn, NY USA

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Surnames Weisman and Nusovich #general

BlueEyedHun02@...
 

My grandmother and her family lived in the Carpathian Mountains (in
Vinogradov, i think) before WWII and after it. My grandmother's maiden name was
Pesy WEISMAN and she had a twin sister named Rochel. They had an older brother
who passed away during the war. Pesy Weisman married Alter Simcha NUSOVICH (We
don't have much information on Alter Simcha because he passed away at a very
young age.) They had two children named Dovid Aaron (Dudi, David) and Etela.
I'm looking for any possible relatives >from Weisman's or Nusovich's.

I am also trying to find out what the surname for Nusovich can be.

Helen Nusovich
Brooklyn, NY USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Chances of success in your research will be greatly
enhanced if you register the name(s) you are searching for in
the JewishGen Family Finder. Go to www.jewishgen.org/jgff


Polish population registers #general

Fred Hoffman <wfhoffman@...>
 

Hi,

I noticed a couple of questions posted about extracts >from
"Population registers," also called "Books of residents."
In Polish, these registers are usually called _ksiegi ludnosci stalej_,
"Books of permanent population," though I have seen other terms
used for them.

Whatever the name, they are extremely valuable sources, because they
were used to register permanent residents of a given district, and the
information in them was updated regularly. Details on deaths, military
service, and relocation were typically recorded, often with specific
details that can prove vital in tracking various changes in a family's
history. Traveling papers of various kinds were drawn up by local
authorities on the basis of these books, which the authorities then
updated.

Warren Blatt talks about them in his FAQ at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Poland/Questions.htm >.

He mentions them in the answer to question 11. As he says, Fay and
Julian Bussgang have written good articles about these records for
"Avotaynu" (XVI:3, Fall 2000, pages 12-15) and other publications.
If you have a chance to get hold of these articles, they answer
questions as to what these records are, and also provide some
insights to help with translation.

Fred Hoffman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish population registers #general

Fred Hoffman <wfhoffman@...>
 

Hi,

I noticed a couple of questions posted about extracts >from
"Population registers," also called "Books of residents."
In Polish, these registers are usually called _ksiegi ludnosci stalej_,
"Books of permanent population," though I have seen other terms
used for them.

Whatever the name, they are extremely valuable sources, because they
were used to register permanent residents of a given district, and the
information in them was updated regularly. Details on deaths, military
service, and relocation were typically recorded, often with specific
details that can prove vital in tracking various changes in a family's
history. Traveling papers of various kinds were drawn up by local
authorities on the basis of these books, which the authorities then
updated.

Warren Blatt talks about them in his FAQ at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Poland/Questions.htm >.

He mentions them in the answer to question 11. As he says, Fay and
Julian Bussgang have written good articles about these records for
"Avotaynu" (XVI:3, Fall 2000, pages 12-15) and other publications.
If you have a chance to get hold of these articles, they answer
questions as to what these records are, and also provide some
insights to help with translation.

Fred Hoffman


Finding graves in London - a tip for everyone #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear Sara-Gay (& others),

I think the resource I have might be slighthly too late in time for your
searches, but it's certainly worth a try. Below is a paste >from the lecture
notes of a Jewish genealogy course I ran, back in 2002 in Newcastle. This
section is about the East London Burial Society, which has a database of
burials in the old United Synagogue cemeteries in London. The women who work
there are always extremely helpful. Knock off the first zero & add 44 to
call >from outside the UK.

Good luck!

Saul Marks
Liverpool, England

---------------

East London Burial Society (ELBS)

The East London Burial Society is similar to a large chevra kadisha for the
London synagogues of the United Synagogue; they organise burials are keep
the necessary records. However, the difference >from standard synagogue
chevra kadishas is their size and, therefore, potential use to the Jewish
genealogist.

Contained within the six United Synagogue cemeteries listed above are
thousands of Jews who have died in the last 100 years or so. As required by
their work organising large numbers of burials, the ELBS has most of its
records contained on a database, accessible instantly by a team of women
based in Ilford, in north-east London. These include date of burial (and
dates of death within the last nine years only), place of burial and grave
number. They also hold information on the deceased’s address at the time of
death, which can be very useful.

The ELBS is a somewhat obscure source, but only because the masses have yet
to discover it! Although enquiries into Jewish genealogical records held by
the United Synagogue are supposed to be directed to Charles Tucker only, the
ELBS accept frequent calls regarding burial details >from Jewish people
tracing their family history. The service they provide is quick, efficient
and always helpful, and the information they provide can be invaluable.

Even if you have relatively little information about an individual – maybe
you are only guessing he died in London – the ELBS covers so many cemeteries
containing so many of the largest group of Jewish people in the country,
that you always stand a good chance of finding a lead to pursue. Even if you
do not, you will have eliminated a great many other leads in the process.

The East London Burial Society can be contacted on 0208-518 2868.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding graves in London - a tip for everyone #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear Sara-Gay (& others),

I think the resource I have might be slighthly too late in time for your
searches, but it's certainly worth a try. Below is a paste >from the lecture
notes of a Jewish genealogy course I ran, back in 2002 in Newcastle. This
section is about the East London Burial Society, which has a database of
burials in the old United Synagogue cemeteries in London. The women who work
there are always extremely helpful. Knock off the first zero & add 44 to
call >from outside the UK.

Good luck!

Saul Marks
Liverpool, England

---------------

East London Burial Society (ELBS)

The East London Burial Society is similar to a large chevra kadisha for the
London synagogues of the United Synagogue; they organise burials are keep
the necessary records. However, the difference >from standard synagogue
chevra kadishas is their size and, therefore, potential use to the Jewish
genealogist.

Contained within the six United Synagogue cemeteries listed above are
thousands of Jews who have died in the last 100 years or so. As required by
their work organising large numbers of burials, the ELBS has most of its
records contained on a database, accessible instantly by a team of women
based in Ilford, in north-east London. These include date of burial (and
dates of death within the last nine years only), place of burial and grave
number. They also hold information on the deceased’s address at the time of
death, which can be very useful.

The ELBS is a somewhat obscure source, but only because the masses have yet
to discover it! Although enquiries into Jewish genealogical records held by
the United Synagogue are supposed to be directed to Charles Tucker only, the
ELBS accept frequent calls regarding burial details >from Jewish people
tracing their family history. The service they provide is quick, efficient
and always helpful, and the information they provide can be invaluable.

Even if you have relatively little information about an individual – maybe
you are only guessing he died in London – the ELBS covers so many cemeteries
containing so many of the largest group of Jewish people in the country,
that you always stand a good chance of finding a lead to pursue. Even if you
do not, you will have eliminated a great many other leads in the process.

The East London Burial Society can be contacted on 0208-518 2868.


Re: SS-5s (and birth certs) #general

H Duboff
 

B"H

Greetings, all..

Here is yet another example of how information can be inaccurate from
the start. When my daughter was born (on Shabbos), we told the
hospital staff that we needed to wait until after dark to fill out any
paperwork (besides the fact that she didn't have her name until after
Shabbos services that morning). I provided the information, but in my
proud, "new father" state of mind (tsufleigen), instead of writing my
wife's maiden name, I wrote down the married name. Thus, it could
appear as if we had the same last name before marriage.

Also, on the death certificate >from my great-great grandmother, her
father's name is listed with the same last name as her married name.
Yet on death certificates >from her children, her maiden name is listed
with a different last name. That somewhat jibes with the family lore
that she and her husband switched names in Russia. (I realize there
are those who disagree that such a thing was easily done. I'll leave
it up to the moderator to decide if this is the forum for such a
discussion.)

A final note; I heartily agree with those who say to hold onto
documents (SS-5s, death records, etc.) that appear to be the "wrong
person" after all. I held onto an SS-5 for about the past 10 years
now. I'm just now finding out, after further research, that the
person is quite possibly a relative by marriage.

hd

Researching: FAERSTEIN, TICKNER; (Skalo - Austria);
MAILSHANKER/MELSZENKER (Grading/Gorodok Podol. and Buenos Aires -
Argentina); OBLETZ, ROSOFF (Dokshytz - Belarus) ; FINN (Gluboko -
Vilna); RAFKIN/RAVKIN (Dwinsk - Russia); ZEMBLE (Lushnitz -
Russia);DUBOWY (Zalocie - Austria)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SS-5s (and birth certs) #general

H Duboff
 

B"H

Greetings, all..

Here is yet another example of how information can be inaccurate from
the start. When my daughter was born (on Shabbos), we told the
hospital staff that we needed to wait until after dark to fill out any
paperwork (besides the fact that she didn't have her name until after
Shabbos services that morning). I provided the information, but in my
proud, "new father" state of mind (tsufleigen), instead of writing my
wife's maiden name, I wrote down the married name. Thus, it could
appear as if we had the same last name before marriage.

Also, on the death certificate >from my great-great grandmother, her
father's name is listed with the same last name as her married name.
Yet on death certificates >from her children, her maiden name is listed
with a different last name. That somewhat jibes with the family lore
that she and her husband switched names in Russia. (I realize there
are those who disagree that such a thing was easily done. I'll leave
it up to the moderator to decide if this is the forum for such a
discussion.)

A final note; I heartily agree with those who say to hold onto
documents (SS-5s, death records, etc.) that appear to be the "wrong
person" after all. I held onto an SS-5 for about the past 10 years
now. I'm just now finding out, after further research, that the
person is quite possibly a relative by marriage.

hd

Researching: FAERSTEIN, TICKNER; (Skalo - Austria);
MAILSHANKER/MELSZENKER (Grading/Gorodok Podol. and Buenos Aires -
Argentina); OBLETZ, ROSOFF (Dokshytz - Belarus) ; FINN (Gluboko -
Vilna); RAFKIN/RAVKIN (Dwinsk - Russia); ZEMBLE (Lushnitz -
Russia);DUBOWY (Zalocie - Austria)


Re: Request for assistance with Hebrew Web Site #germany

Nachum Tuchman
 

Dear List,
I checked the Segula Cemetery data base, and sent a private e-mail to
Geoff with the information he requested. However, immediately after
doing so, I remembered that the Segula Cemetery is one of the
cemeteries that was added to the JewishGen JOBWR data base .

The direct URL is:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/

A search on KAISER (sounds like) limiting to Israel only returns 50
hits. Most are D-M similar names. However, all 3 KAISERs that are on
the Segula data base appear on the JOBWR.

I must point out, however, that some of the information such as
section and row # are listed only in Hebrew. Anyone who doesn't read
Hebrew will still have a problem getting the exact location.

Nachum Tuchman Tekoa, Israel

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am in need of some assistance with a Hebrew web site for the Cemetry of
Petach Tikva in Israel. The web site address is http://www.sgula.org.
I am trying to identify if Ephraim (Fritz) KAISER is buried here and if so
what information may be recorded about him......


German SIG #Germany Re: Request for assistance with Hebrew Web Site #germany

Nachum Tuchman
 

Dear List,
I checked the Segula Cemetery data base, and sent a private e-mail to
Geoff with the information he requested. However, immediately after
doing so, I remembered that the Segula Cemetery is one of the
cemeteries that was added to the JewishGen JOBWR data base .

The direct URL is:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/

A search on KAISER (sounds like) limiting to Israel only returns 50
hits. Most are D-M similar names. However, all 3 KAISERs that are on
the Segula data base appear on the JOBWR.

I must point out, however, that some of the information such as
section and row # are listed only in Hebrew. Anyone who doesn't read
Hebrew will still have a problem getting the exact location.

Nachum Tuchman Tekoa, Israel

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am in need of some assistance with a Hebrew web site for the Cemetry of
Petach Tikva in Israel. The web site address is http://www.sgula.org.
I am trying to identify if Ephraim (Fritz) KAISER is buried here and if so
what information may be recorded about him......


Washington DC marriages performed by M.A. Horwitz--Help, please! #general

David Gordon
 

Over the past seven years or so, I have tried to publicize the stack of original
marriage licenses and certificates I inherited >from my great-grandfather, Moses
Aaron Horwitz, so that I could return the originals to their families.He
performed hundreds of marriages in Washington, DC, >from about 1912 to 1935.

The project has been quite successful and I have returned hundreds of documents
over the years.

Unfortunately, when my hard disk was recently erased, one of the few
unrecoverable files was my complete list of every document I returned
and information about the person who requested it. This information
has proved extremely valuable in putting families in touch with each
other when, unbeknownst to each other, different people in the
extended family requested the same items.

I am writing now to ask the help of anyone who ever received a license
or certificate >from me. In order to continue to help serve everyone,
would you please take a moment to write me (private, of course) with
the following bits of information: the names of the bride and groom,
the approximate date I sent it it you (if known), and--most important
of all--your contact information (address *and* e-mail). I have never
shared this information with anyone except others requesting the same
exact documents and will never do so.

I cannot emphasize how truly valuable having this information has
been. If you are grateful for the small service I provided, I will in
turn be most grateful to everyone who replies--privately--to me.
Thank you so much. (In order not to inundate my normal e-mail, please
use the alternate mailbox listed below)

David Gordon
tiganeasca1@yahoo.com
Searching:
GORDON and LEVIN(E): Butrimantz
HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi, Bobruisk
GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, possibly elsewhere
DRAZIN: Bobruisk
HURWITZ: Gomel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Washington DC marriages performed by M.A. Horwitz--Help, please! #general

David Gordon
 

Over the past seven years or so, I have tried to publicize the stack of original
marriage licenses and certificates I inherited >from my great-grandfather, Moses
Aaron Horwitz, so that I could return the originals to their families.He
performed hundreds of marriages in Washington, DC, >from about 1912 to 1935.

The project has been quite successful and I have returned hundreds of documents
over the years.

Unfortunately, when my hard disk was recently erased, one of the few
unrecoverable files was my complete list of every document I returned
and information about the person who requested it. This information
has proved extremely valuable in putting families in touch with each
other when, unbeknownst to each other, different people in the
extended family requested the same items.

I am writing now to ask the help of anyone who ever received a license
or certificate >from me. In order to continue to help serve everyone,
would you please take a moment to write me (private, of course) with
the following bits of information: the names of the bride and groom,
the approximate date I sent it it you (if known), and--most important
of all--your contact information (address *and* e-mail). I have never
shared this information with anyone except others requesting the same
exact documents and will never do so.

I cannot emphasize how truly valuable having this information has
been. If you are grateful for the small service I provided, I will in
turn be most grateful to everyone who replies--privately--to me.
Thank you so much. (In order not to inundate my normal e-mail, please
use the alternate mailbox listed below)

David Gordon
tiganeasca1@yahoo.com
Searching:
GORDON and LEVIN(E): Butrimantz
HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi, Bobruisk
GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, possibly elsewhere
DRAZIN: Bobruisk
HURWITZ: Gomel


Re: looking for graves in London #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Brian &Gay Giblett" <giblettbg@iinet.net.au> wrote

I am planning a trip to England in late May and thought it a good chance to
try and locate some graves of my ancestors whilst I am there. I have ordered
their death certificates and should have them in the next couple days, but I
believe they do not state where they are buried. Is there anyway of me
possibly finding out where they are buried before I leave. I live in New
South Wales Australia.
All the London Jewish cemeteries are listed at
www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/brit/london.html which lists all London Jewish
cemeteries - present and past.

You would need to contact the main burial authorities which are:

United Synagogue
Federation of Synagogues
Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations (Adath Yisroel)
Note: Unlikely as founded in the 20th Century
Sephardic Burial Society
Assembly of Masorti Synagogues
Note: Unlikely as a late 20th Century creation
Reform Synagogues of Great Britain.
Liberal Judaism (Union of Liberal & Progressive Synagogues)
Western Synagogue Cemeteries

You may find that for security reasons that the organisations are unwilling
to provide information by email, and that you would have make your enquiries
when you arrive in London.

In addition for the cemeteries which are no longer open for current burials
you will probably have to make special arrangements to visit.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: looking for graves in London #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Brian &Gay Giblett" <giblettbg@iinet.net.au> wrote

I am planning a trip to England in late May and thought it a good chance to
try and locate some graves of my ancestors whilst I am there. I have ordered
their death certificates and should have them in the next couple days, but I
believe they do not state where they are buried. Is there anyway of me
possibly finding out where they are buried before I leave. I live in New
South Wales Australia.
All the London Jewish cemeteries are listed at
www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/brit/london.html which lists all London Jewish
cemeteries - present and past.

You would need to contact the main burial authorities which are:

United Synagogue
Federation of Synagogues
Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations (Adath Yisroel)
Note: Unlikely as founded in the 20th Century
Sephardic Burial Society
Assembly of Masorti Synagogues
Note: Unlikely as a late 20th Century creation
Reform Synagogues of Great Britain.
Liberal Judaism (Union of Liberal & Progressive Synagogues)
Western Synagogue Cemeteries

You may find that for security reasons that the organisations are unwilling
to provide information by email, and that you would have make your enquiries
when you arrive in London.

In addition for the cemeteries which are no longer open for current burials
you will probably have to make special arrangements to visit.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


Re: Spiegel #hungary

Bobby Jacobs <bobj2361@...>
 

I don't suppose your Spiegel was ever Spiegelglass.

Bobby and Howard Jacobs
Highland Park, IL
Researching JACOBS, FANTL, FREUND, SAMSON, SALOMON, PELOFSKY,
TABOLITSKY, SPIEGELGLASS, FAINBERG, WEYENBERG, TOARELLO, KRUEGER, LOCKE

At 04:36 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:

Today I had the pleasant experience to meet
descendants of my great-grandfather's younger brother!
Our ggg-grandparents are the same one!
We were living very near to each other without knowing
we were related!
A miracle!


Andres Carciente
Budapest

RAPAPORT, STARK, ROTTMAN, BREUER, DICK, SCHWARCZ,
NEULANDER, ALTER, GOLDBERGER, FELDMAR, POLLAK,
JEREMIAS, ADLER, LIPSCHITZ, WEISZ, GRUNWALD, SPITZ,
HERSKOVITS, BRUNNER, SZIMKOWICZ,
WEINSTOCK: (Satoraljaujhely)
RAPAPORT,FOHN:(Monostorpalyi)
RAPAPORT,LOWI:(Nyracsad),RAPAPORT,SPIEGEL
(Vasarosnameny).


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Spiegel #hungary

Bobby Jacobs <bobj2361@...>
 

I don't suppose your Spiegel was ever Spiegelglass.

Bobby and Howard Jacobs
Highland Park, IL
Researching JACOBS, FANTL, FREUND, SAMSON, SALOMON, PELOFSKY,
TABOLITSKY, SPIEGELGLASS, FAINBERG, WEYENBERG, TOARELLO, KRUEGER, LOCKE

At 04:36 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:

Today I had the pleasant experience to meet
descendants of my great-grandfather's younger brother!
Our ggg-grandparents are the same one!
We were living very near to each other without knowing
we were related!
A miracle!


Andres Carciente
Budapest

RAPAPORT, STARK, ROTTMAN, BREUER, DICK, SCHWARCZ,
NEULANDER, ALTER, GOLDBERGER, FELDMAR, POLLAK,
JEREMIAS, ADLER, LIPSCHITZ, WEISZ, GRUNWALD, SPITZ,
HERSKOVITS, BRUNNER, SZIMKOWICZ,
WEINSTOCK: (Satoraljaujhely)
RAPAPORT,FOHN:(Monostorpalyi)
RAPAPORT,LOWI:(Nyracsad),RAPAPORT,SPIEGEL
(Vasarosnameny).


Re: viewmate VM7336 #hungary

Andras Koltai <kolamcg@...>
 

Dear Andrew,

Such certificates had to be handed in along with the
application for Hungarianising somebody's surname. You
had to prove formally you were a trustworthy person. I
have a similar document in Hungarian. I suppose they
also used such documents for other similar purposes.

Best regards,

Andras Koltai
Budapest, Hungary


Subject: viewmate VM7336
From: "Dr Andrew Gal" <drgal@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:56:39 +1100
X-Message-Number: 8

I received the translation below to an item I posted
on Viewmate
pertaining
to my GGF.
I have never seen such a document and wonder whether
anyone knows if it
had
a specific use or merely represented a general purpose
character
reference.

Andrew Gal
Sydney. Australia


Re: SS-5s #general

L. Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Some responses to the list message about correct family information on the
? SS-5 suggest that the birth record is more accurate because the information
came directly >from the mother. Even birth certificate information can be
wrong.
For birth information, it is better to consult a birth certificate but having
another document to show date of birth is always a good thing. The SS-5 can give
you other information not on a birth certificate such as place of residence,
name and address of employer and spouses name if female. It can also list
parents names.

Linda Altman
Raleigh, NC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re:viewmate VM7336 #hungary

Andras Koltai <kolamcg@...>
 

Dear Andrew,

Such certificates had to be handed in along with the
application for Hungarianising somebody's surname. You
had to prove formally you were a trustworthy person. I
have a similar document in Hungarian. I suppose they
also used such documents for other similar purposes.

Best regards,

Andras Koltai
Budapest, Hungary


Subject: viewmate VM7336
From: "Dr Andrew Gal" <drgal@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:56:39 +1100
X-Message-Number: 8

I received the translation below to an item I posted
on Viewmate
pertaining
to my GGF.
I have never seen such a document and wonder whether
anyone knows if it
had
a specific use or merely represented a general purpose
character
reference.

Andrew Gal
Sydney. Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SS-5s #general

L. Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Some responses to the list message about correct family information on the
? SS-5 suggest that the birth record is more accurate because the information
came directly >from the mother. Even birth certificate information can be
wrong.
For birth information, it is better to consult a birth certificate but having
another document to show date of birth is always a good thing. The SS-5 can give
you other information not on a birth certificate such as place of residence,
name and address of employer and spouses name if female. It can also list
parents names.

Linda Altman
Raleigh, NC