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Re: JAFFE Family - Rashi Descent
#rabbinic
Chaim freedman
On 2006.02.01, Michael Bernet <MBernet@aol.com> wrote:
DNA is useful in checking out descent in the direct male line, or inNaturally I am aware of the limitations of DNA testing via male lines. I am suggesting testing of those families which claim male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan such as Jaffe and Heilprin. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: JAFFE Family - Rashi Descent
#rabbinic
Chaim freedman
On 2006.02.01, Michael Bernet <MBernet@aol.com> wrote:
DNA is useful in checking out descent in the direct male line, or inNaturally I am aware of the limitations of DNA testing via male lines. I am suggesting testing of those families which claim male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan such as Jaffe and Heilprin. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel
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Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery
#unitedkingdom
David Shulman <shulman_gen@...>
The English wording >from inscriptions at the
Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery (situated in Newcastle-under-Lyme), including 233 headstones, may now be viewed on the JCR-UK website at www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/stoke/cemeteryintro.htm The site also includes a plan of the cemetery. David Shulman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery
#unitedkingdom
David Shulman <shulman_gen@...>
The English wording >from inscriptions at the
Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery (situated in Newcastle-under-Lyme), including 233 headstones, may now be viewed on the JCR-UK website at www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/stoke/cemeteryintro.htm The site also includes a plan of the cemetery. David Shulman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: more about Max WOLK
#belarus
Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
Dear Jonathon,
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Every so often we have to repeat the basics and the same applies to your search. I would wager that Max Wolk does appear on the EIDB but under some name variation so you have to go back and look at that. Then I would make a trip to NYC and go to the NY Public Library and look in the City Directories for Brooklyn starting in 1910 for Max. Also look for Frieda.I assume that you will find him. Start with 1910 and continue until he no longer appears. There is a lot of data in City Directories. Also look in the 1920 Census using the address you find in the City Directories and using Stephen Morse search engine. The Workmens Circle is still around so look in the Phonebook and ask about the Brooklyn Branch. I would guess that you have found Max's Death Certificate but you don't talk about this. The Social Security Death Index should have information about his death date Using his death dat you can get his death certificate >from the NYC Municipal Archives. This will also tell you where he is buried. Go visit the cemetery (He may be buried in a Workmens Circle Plot) but maybe he is in a landsmanshaft plot that will give you a clue about his specific birthplace. There are so many ways for you to go I have just mentioned a few. Good luck, Joe Fibel, New Rochelle, NY P.S. I assume you have posted your names onto the JGFF. If not do this immediately. If you get no help >from the Workmen's Circle call YIVO and see if they have $163,609.00 any information about this branch
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From: <jonathanridgeway@aol.com> To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [belarus] more about Max WOLK Support the work of the Belarus SIG
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: more about Max WOLK
#belarus
Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
Dear Jonathon,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Every so often we have to repeat the basics and the same applies to your search. I would wager that Max Wolk does appear on the EIDB but under some name variation so you have to go back and look at that. Then I would make a trip to NYC and go to the NY Public Library and look in the City Directories for Brooklyn starting in 1910 for Max. Also look for Frieda.I assume that you will find him. Start with 1910 and continue until he no longer appears. There is a lot of data in City Directories. Also look in the 1920 Census using the address you find in the City Directories and using Stephen Morse search engine. The Workmens Circle is still around so look in the Phonebook and ask about the Brooklyn Branch. I would guess that you have found Max's Death Certificate but you don't talk about this. The Social Security Death Index should have information about his death date Using his death dat you can get his death certificate >from the NYC Municipal Archives. This will also tell you where he is buried. Go visit the cemetery (He may be buried in a Workmens Circle Plot) but maybe he is in a landsmanshaft plot that will give you a clue about his specific birthplace. There are so many ways for you to go I have just mentioned a few. Good luck, Joe Fibel, New Rochelle, NY P.S. I assume you have posted your names onto the JGFF. If not do this immediately. If you get no help >from the Workmen's Circle call YIVO and see if they have $163,609.00 any information about this branch
----- Original Message -----
From: <jonathanridgeway@aol.com> To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [belarus] more about Max WOLK Support the work of the Belarus SIG
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Male Descent from Elkhanan, Rashi's Grandson
#dna
Chaim freedman
Jim Bennet suggested DNA testing to determine relationships of
various JAFFE families. I would like to highly recommend this project particularly as some of the JAFFEs hold a tradition of descent >from Rashi and thereby from King David.However, since Rashi had three daughters and no sons, testing would need to be carried out of families claiming male descent >from the various families descended >from Rashi's family circle. One possibility of acquiring further evidence would be to extend the DNA sampling to include the HEILPRIN family and any other families claiming male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan and thereby perhaps to establish a "Rashi Davidic Marker" for the male lines descended >from Rashi's daughters. I would like to direct the attention of readers to the Davidic Dynasty Site http://www.davidicdynasty.org/ and suggest that other families claiming Davidic descent participate in the DNA testing as described on the site. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel chaimjan@zahav.net.il Honorary Chairman, Genealogy Advisory Committee, Davidic Dynasty
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DNA Research #DNA Male Descent from Elkhanan, Rashi's Grandson
#dna
Chaim freedman
Jim Bennet suggested DNA testing to determine relationships of
various JAFFE families. I would like to highly recommend this project particularly as some of the JAFFEs hold a tradition of descent >from Rashi and thereby from King David.However, since Rashi had three daughters and no sons, testing would need to be carried out of families claiming male descent >from the various families descended >from Rashi's family circle. One possibility of acquiring further evidence would be to extend the DNA sampling to include the HEILPRIN family and any other families claiming male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan and thereby perhaps to establish a "Rashi Davidic Marker" for the male lines descended >from Rashi's daughters. I would like to direct the attention of readers to the Davidic Dynasty Site http://www.davidicdynasty.org/ and suggest that other families claiming Davidic descent participate in the DNA testing as described on the site. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel chaimjan@zahav.net.il Honorary Chairman, Genealogy Advisory Committee, Davidic Dynasty
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Help need to solve the mystery of the child left behind
#general
K Beach <proteantime@...>
I have a mystery on my research into our great great grandfather and his
wife and their emigration to England. This is what I know: Siegmund OPPENHEIM was an African Merchant boarding with a Cotton Spinner's family in Cheshire on the 1861 census. It says he is 26 and >from Germany. In 1871 he is a Commission Merchant and a naturalised British Subject who is single and boarding with a Widow in Moss Side Lancashire. Then in 1881 we have him not only married to Adele >from Schwerin Mecklenburg in Prussia, but also with 4 children all born in Chorlton Medlock in Manchester and living at East Beach in Lytham Lancashire. There is no mention on this census of his first born son Eugen who would have been born around 1873 and in Germany. In fact, we don't see any records of Eugen in England until he is married in 1899 (aged 26)and then when he is naturalised in 1911. I've also not been able to find any record of Siegmund's marriage to Adele in England and I'm assuming they were married in Germany (possibly Hamburg). Does anyone have any suggestions as to why Eugen may have been left behind (in Prussia or Germany) and not at a later stage joined the family in England? There is a record of an Eugen OPPENHEIM arriving at Castle Garden immigration point in New York in 1886 which gives a probable match due to age and last address being Prussia. But other than the fact that he was listed as a Paper Merchant/Stationer on his wife's death certificate we know nothing else about him. We do have of course the link to Siegmund and Adele OPPENHEIM as his parents >from his marriage certificate. Many thanks in advance for your time and consideration. Kirsten Beach
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French-names for SCHORNSHEIM AND FRIESENHEIM
#general
Hanna Goldmann
Dear All,
Is there someone who knows the French-names for Schornsheim and Friesenheim during the occupation of the Rhineland in 1792? Thanks in advance. Hanna Goldmann, Germany
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help need to solve the mystery of the child left behind
#general
K Beach <proteantime@...>
I have a mystery on my research into our great great grandfather and his
wife and their emigration to England. This is what I know: Siegmund OPPENHEIM was an African Merchant boarding with a Cotton Spinner's family in Cheshire on the 1861 census. It says he is 26 and >from Germany. In 1871 he is a Commission Merchant and a naturalised British Subject who is single and boarding with a Widow in Moss Side Lancashire. Then in 1881 we have him not only married to Adele >from Schwerin Mecklenburg in Prussia, but also with 4 children all born in Chorlton Medlock in Manchester and living at East Beach in Lytham Lancashire. There is no mention on this census of his first born son Eugen who would have been born around 1873 and in Germany. In fact, we don't see any records of Eugen in England until he is married in 1899 (aged 26)and then when he is naturalised in 1911. I've also not been able to find any record of Siegmund's marriage to Adele in England and I'm assuming they were married in Germany (possibly Hamburg). Does anyone have any suggestions as to why Eugen may have been left behind (in Prussia or Germany) and not at a later stage joined the family in England? There is a record of an Eugen OPPENHEIM arriving at Castle Garden immigration point in New York in 1886 which gives a probable match due to age and last address being Prussia. But other than the fact that he was listed as a Paper Merchant/Stationer on his wife's death certificate we know nothing else about him. We do have of course the link to Siegmund and Adele OPPENHEIM as his parents >from his marriage certificate. Many thanks in advance for your time and consideration. Kirsten Beach
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen French-names for SCHORNSHEIM AND FRIESENHEIM
#general
Hanna Goldmann
Dear All,
Is there someone who knows the French-names for Schornsheim and Friesenheim during the occupation of the Rhineland in 1792? Thanks in advance. Hanna Goldmann, Germany
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Harry Marks Tombstone Picture
#general
Helen Nussbaum Reiss <helen@...>
Dear Genners:
Can anyone who is going to the Star of David Cemetery in Fort Lauderdale, please take a picture of the tombstone of my uncle, Harry Marks? Please reply personally to me and I will give all the details. Thank you Helen Nussbaum Reiss Helen@biz120.com
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midwife Tarnow
#general
sulamitb <sulamitb@...>
Dear Genners,
While researching my LEISTEN family >from Tarnow and looking for Sara Leisten who was a midwife I came across another midwife, Reisel KORN, and I wonder if someone has birth records showing the same midwife, Tarnow. Thank you foar your collaboration Sulamith Beit Yannai Jerusalem
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Harry Marks Tombstone Picture
#general
Helen Nussbaum Reiss <helen@...>
Dear Genners:
Can anyone who is going to the Star of David Cemetery in Fort Lauderdale, please take a picture of the tombstone of my uncle, Harry Marks? Please reply personally to me and I will give all the details. Thank you Helen Nussbaum Reiss Helen@biz120.com
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen midwife Tarnow
#general
sulamitb <sulamitb@...>
Dear Genners,
While researching my LEISTEN family >from Tarnow and looking for Sara Leisten who was a midwife I came across another midwife, Reisel KORN, and I wonder if someone has birth records showing the same midwife, Tarnow. Thank you foar your collaboration Sulamith Beit Yannai Jerusalem
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Re: litvaksig digest: February 01, 2006
#lithuania
Paul A. Auerbach
Margaret,
I'm sure you'll receive this suggestion several times, but, as far as the name "Toff" goes, I suggest you start with JewishGen's family finder: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.htm If you type in Toff next to "Surname is Exactly" you'll come up with nine hits, including two from Lithuania and one >from Belarus. I'd suggest contacting all nine of them with as much information as you can give them about your husband's Toff family. If you do a "Sounds Like" search on Toff, you'll come up with more than 300 hits containing what appear to be a number of variations on that name, including Topf, Taube, Tov and Tuff. Toff could also be a shortened form of another name. For example, one of the names I'm researching in my own family is "Toffet." When you say you've checked UK census records, are you certain you've checked all of them? I found my second great grandfather's family in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 England censuses (in one case, severely misspelled), and two of those records (1881 and 1891) contained his town of origin (rather than just his country). Another thing to look for in England are naturalization records. I did a quick online search and came up with the following reference to a naturalization record for a Gerald Toff >from the Netherlands: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CAT ID=5075402&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CTOFF&accessmethod=0 You'll probably want to order a copy of that record -- naturalization records typically contain a wealth of genealogical information. Another great source of genealogical information for England is FreeBMD, an online index to English birth, marriage and death records >from the middle of the 19th century until the early 20th century. Here's the link: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl I would have done a quick search for you there as well, but their server appears to be down. I hope these tips are helpful. Good luck in your research. Regards. Paul Auerbach Boston, Massachusetts, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Toff and Mark Israel and Russia From: "Margaret Fullarton and David Mark" <fullmark@bigpond.net.au> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:42:11 +1100 X-Message-Number: 1 Here I am again asking for help >from all you keen and observant people. I cannot find the name Toff any where else but England or the Netherlands and yet all my husband's ancestors cite "Russia" as their birthplace in the UK census records. The Lithuanian, Latvian, Belarus and Ukrainian databases come up with one name which is a business selling mineral water. Toff surfaces no where else. Another request: My father in law's brother died in Israel and he has 2 children there, Tony and Sheila Mark whose mother was Giselle Mark (married surname). As we don't read Hebrew we could not look them up in the phone book and my husband's cousin hasn't found them yet either!! I don't anticipate the whole of Israel immersed in genealogy but there might be enough detectives amongst you to assist. I thank you with bated breath Margaret Fullarton Mark Oaklands. NSW Australia
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: litvaksig digest: February 01, 2006
#lithuania
Paul A. Auerbach
Margaret,
I'm sure you'll receive this suggestion several times, but, as far as the name "Toff" goes, I suggest you start with JewishGen's family finder: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.htm If you type in Toff next to "Surname is Exactly" you'll come up with nine hits, including two from Lithuania and one >from Belarus. I'd suggest contacting all nine of them with as much information as you can give them about your husband's Toff family. If you do a "Sounds Like" search on Toff, you'll come up with more than 300 hits containing what appear to be a number of variations on that name, including Topf, Taube, Tov and Tuff. Toff could also be a shortened form of another name. For example, one of the names I'm researching in my own family is "Toffet." When you say you've checked UK census records, are you certain you've checked all of them? I found my second great grandfather's family in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 England censuses (in one case, severely misspelled), and two of those records (1881 and 1891) contained his town of origin (rather than just his country). Another thing to look for in England are naturalization records. I did a quick online search and came up with the following reference to a naturalization record for a Gerald Toff >from the Netherlands: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CAT ID=5075402&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CTOFF&accessmethod=0 You'll probably want to order a copy of that record -- naturalization records typically contain a wealth of genealogical information. Another great source of genealogical information for England is FreeBMD, an online index to English birth, marriage and death records >from the middle of the 19th century until the early 20th century. Here's the link: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl I would have done a quick search for you there as well, but their server appears to be down. I hope these tips are helpful. Good luck in your research. Regards. Paul Auerbach Boston, Massachusetts, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Toff and Mark Israel and Russia From: "Margaret Fullarton and David Mark" <fullmark@bigpond.net.au> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:42:11 +1100 X-Message-Number: 1 Here I am again asking for help >from all you keen and observant people. I cannot find the name Toff any where else but England or the Netherlands and yet all my husband's ancestors cite "Russia" as their birthplace in the UK census records. The Lithuanian, Latvian, Belarus and Ukrainian databases come up with one name which is a business selling mineral water. Toff surfaces no where else. Another request: My father in law's brother died in Israel and he has 2 children there, Tony and Sheila Mark whose mother was Giselle Mark (married surname). As we don't read Hebrew we could not look them up in the phone book and my husband's cousin hasn't found them yet either!! I don't anticipate the whole of Israel immersed in genealogy but there might be enough detectives amongst you to assist. I thank you with bated breath Margaret Fullarton Mark Oaklands. NSW Australia
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Translation to Lithuanian
#lithuania
Howard Margol
<From: "James R. Platt" <jrplatt@mindspring.com>
<Could someone help me translate a few sentences >from English into <Lithuanian for a follow-up letter to the Central State Archives, please? <I submitted a research request to the Central State Archives and received <a positive response (in Lithuanian) indicating once payment was received <my document would be mailed. I have made such payment, but have not heard <anything and want to follow up in Lithuanian. There is no need to write to the Central State Archives in Lithuanian. They understand English very well. Send an email message, in English, to Mr. Dalius Zizys, Director. Email: lcva@archyvai.lt Howard Margol Atlanta, Georgia www.pusalotas.org
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Translation to Lithuanian
#lithuania
Howard Margol
<From: "James R. Platt" <jrplatt@mindspring.com>
<Could someone help me translate a few sentences >from English into <Lithuanian for a follow-up letter to the Central State Archives, please? <I submitted a research request to the Central State Archives and received <a positive response (in Lithuanian) indicating once payment was received <my document would be mailed. I have made such payment, but have not heard <anything and want to follow up in Lithuanian. There is no need to write to the Central State Archives in Lithuanian. They understand English very well. Send an email message, in English, to Mr. Dalius Zizys, Director. Email: lcva@archyvai.lt Howard Margol Atlanta, Georgia www.pusalotas.org
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