Date   

Griefer Family #belarus

BGRIEFER@...
 

Hello everyone,

About all that anyone still living knows about my family's origins
is that they emigrated around 1900-1915 >from a small settlement
"near" Bobruisk.
The spelling of the name would be something like: Dubizhneh.

Would anyone have any idea what the real name of the place might be?

Thanks,
Barry Griefer

MODERATOR:
----------
Please remember to sign with name AND city and state or country!
As for your question:
Check JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
first for Bobruisk and find latitude and longitude
then search for your shtetl and enter Boruisk Lat&Long
Remember "Sounds Like"!
Then you get
Dobosna, Dobysno, Dobysna 53°12' 29°41'
18.9 miles E of 5309 2914 [which i Bobruisk]
All the other hits are more 125 miles away, so I guess
Dobosna, Dobysno, Dobysna is your shtetl.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Griefer Family #belarus

BGRIEFER@...
 

Hello everyone,

About all that anyone still living knows about my family's origins
is that they emigrated around 1900-1915 >from a small settlement
"near" Bobruisk.
The spelling of the name would be something like: Dubizhneh.

Would anyone have any idea what the real name of the place might be?

Thanks,
Barry Griefer

MODERATOR:
----------
Please remember to sign with name AND city and state or country!
As for your question:
Check JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
first for Bobruisk and find latitude and longitude
then search for your shtetl and enter Boruisk Lat&Long
Remember "Sounds Like"!
Then you get
Dobosna, Dobysno, Dobysna 53°12' 29°41'
18.9 miles E of 5309 2914 [which i Bobruisk]
All the other hits are more 125 miles away, so I guess
Dobosna, Dobysno, Dobysna is your shtetl.


Ludza, Latvia Photo #latvia

Arie Band <arie_band@...>
 

Hello,
For those who are interested in Ludza, Latvia., You
might find it interesting to check the photo uploaded
to viewmate. VM7193
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7193

Does anybody recognize any of the Kids in the photo?
The mentioned newspaper "Igros von tzehoraim" is
probably just a small "kids play" newspaper, but does
anybody have any more details about it?

Please respond to me directly.

Kind regards,
Arie Band


Latvia SIG #Latvia Ludza, Latvia Photo #latvia

Arie Band <arie_band@...>
 

Hello,
For those who are interested in Ludza, Latvia., You
might find it interesting to check the photo uploaded
to viewmate. VM7193
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7193

Does anybody recognize any of the Kids in the photo?
The mentioned newspaper "Igros von tzehoraim" is
probably just a small "kids play" newspaper, but does
anybody have any more details about it?

Please respond to me directly.

Kind regards,
Arie Band


JG Alert: 2006 Canadian Census - May, 2006 #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear All,

Via another Discussion Group I am on, I have just been made aware
that there will be a Census carried out in Canada this year. Census
Day will be 16th May, 2006. One of the provisions is a "check-off"
box against every individual's name that permits the personal details
of that person to be released in 92 year's time - 2098. The check-off
box is for everyone, even a baby a few months old. People are being
exhorted to make sure all these check-off boxes are indeed
checked-off.

However, what has not not been mentioned (and I was amazed this never
happened in the US 2000 Census, nor the 2001 UK Census) is for
genealogists to alert their families and get them to make photocopies
of the census returns. This way, future genealogists won't have to 92
years!

So please, anyone who has Canadian family, do alert them and make
sure they photocopy the "completed" census forms and mail them to the
family genealogist.

It goes without saying that genealogists should always be making
archival copies of relevant documents that detail family information.

>from a balmy 64 degree Berkeley

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
Berkeley, California, USA


Re: ROTHSCHILD a name where and how ? #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

Rothschild was quite a common name and probably had nothing to do with red
shields.
For example, in the First World War three men named Rothschild served in the
Canadian army. One was a mail carrier (presumably postman), another was a
mail order manager, the third was a mining engineer. In the British army 14
men named Rothschild served, of whom six were members of the banking family.
The other 8 were presumably ordinary people.

Harold Pollins
Oxford


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JG Alert: 2006 Canadian Census - May, 2006 #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear All,

Via another Discussion Group I am on, I have just been made aware
that there will be a Census carried out in Canada this year. Census
Day will be 16th May, 2006. One of the provisions is a "check-off"
box against every individual's name that permits the personal details
of that person to be released in 92 year's time - 2098. The check-off
box is for everyone, even a baby a few months old. People are being
exhorted to make sure all these check-off boxes are indeed
checked-off.

However, what has not not been mentioned (and I was amazed this never
happened in the US 2000 Census, nor the 2001 UK Census) is for
genealogists to alert their families and get them to make photocopies
of the census returns. This way, future genealogists won't have to 92
years!

So please, anyone who has Canadian family, do alert them and make
sure they photocopy the "completed" census forms and mail them to the
family genealogist.

It goes without saying that genealogists should always be making
archival copies of relevant documents that detail family information.

>from a balmy 64 degree Berkeley

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
Berkeley, California, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ROTHSCHILD a name where and how ? #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

Rothschild was quite a common name and probably had nothing to do with red
shields.
For example, in the First World War three men named Rothschild served in the
Canadian army. One was a mail carrier (presumably postman), another was a
mail order manager, the third was a mining engineer. In the British army 14
men named Rothschild served, of whom six were members of the banking family.
The other 8 were presumably ordinary people.

Harold Pollins
Oxford


New Member Introduction #yiddish

Howard and Linda Pierce <lrp4507@...>
 

Hi, my name is Linda Pierce and I’m new to Jewish Genealogy. My great-uncle
Samuel TACKEFF (b. July 14th, 1887), was listed in his WWI draft
registration as a professional singer and in family lore as being in
Vaudeville. He lived in the Boston, MA area. My last clue is in an article
about the family, which says ”Bandsman Samuel Tackeff, who is at Camp Devens
with the 301st ammunition train.”

How would I begin to get more information on his career and/or
performances? I am unfamiliar with resources that would contain such
information. Are there any books you might recommend to give me background
on Litvak/Russian/Jewish Vaudeville around the WWI era?

Thank you for your wise advice on where to begin the search.

Linda Pierce,
Searching Tackeff/Tackiff/Takeef/Takip and Jacob&Rose Bernstein


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre New Member Introduction #yiddish

Howard and Linda Pierce <lrp4507@...>
 

Hi, my name is Linda Pierce and I’m new to Jewish Genealogy. My great-uncle
Samuel TACKEFF (b. July 14th, 1887), was listed in his WWI draft
registration as a professional singer and in family lore as being in
Vaudeville. He lived in the Boston, MA area. My last clue is in an article
about the family, which says ”Bandsman Samuel Tackeff, who is at Camp Devens
with the 301st ammunition train.”

How would I begin to get more information on his career and/or
performances? I am unfamiliar with resources that would contain such
information. Are there any books you might recommend to give me background
on Litvak/Russian/Jewish Vaudeville around the WWI era?

Thank you for your wise advice on where to begin the search.

Linda Pierce,
Searching Tackeff/Tackiff/Takeef/Takip and Jacob&Rose Bernstein


Grodna photographer #general

david nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

Hi fellow searchers,

I am trying to research my wife's family, known in the UK as Freedman.
However, we do know that this name was adopted when they arrived here
around 1902, having travelled >from Grodna via Riga.

We have a photographer which, >from the sitters' outfits, wee date at around
1900 or thereabouts. We do not know the identity of the middle-aged sitters
who were formally dressed as if for as family occasion and very stiffly
posed. However, on the back of the picture are the photographer's details.
His name was Ch.A Ezerskologo and his studio address was Sobornaya Oolitisa,
D.Borovskago, in Grodna. Apologies for any mistakes in that address, but it
was transliterated >from the original Cyrillic script.

While we do not know my wife's grandfather's original name - they never
spoke about the 'old days' to their children but adopted the formula New
Name, New Country, New Life" we do know that his wife's maiden name was
Betsy Steingart.

I know that I am probably clutching at straws, but if the photographer left
any records of his customers, this may be enough to identify the sitters who
could be my wife's great-grandparents who were left behind in Grodna.

Any help or suggestions would be most welcome.

Thank you for your time in reading this message.

David Nathan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Grodna photographer #general

david nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

Hi fellow searchers,

I am trying to research my wife's family, known in the UK as Freedman.
However, we do know that this name was adopted when they arrived here
around 1902, having travelled >from Grodna via Riga.

We have a photographer which, >from the sitters' outfits, wee date at around
1900 or thereabouts. We do not know the identity of the middle-aged sitters
who were formally dressed as if for as family occasion and very stiffly
posed. However, on the back of the picture are the photographer's details.
His name was Ch.A Ezerskologo and his studio address was Sobornaya Oolitisa,
D.Borovskago, in Grodna. Apologies for any mistakes in that address, but it
was transliterated >from the original Cyrillic script.

While we do not know my wife's grandfather's original name - they never
spoke about the 'old days' to their children but adopted the formula New
Name, New Country, New Life" we do know that his wife's maiden name was
Betsy Steingart.

I know that I am probably clutching at straws, but if the photographer left
any records of his customers, this may be enough to identify the sitters who
could be my wife's great-grandparents who were left behind in Grodna.

Any help or suggestions would be most welcome.

Thank you for your time in reading this message.

David Nathan


Kutno Records Indexing #general

ZENKA@...
 

Kutno Records Indexing

I am attempting to locate any photocopies of indexes and partial or
completed indexed years which would have been generated in conjunction
with the old Kutnogroup. Since the Kutnogroup disolved without a
single record being made available, it is my intention to complete the
indexing for Kutno records 1808-1828. Any existant information you might
still have in your possession would help to reduce the time and expense
involved. It is my goal to make the records available as quickly
possible but there is a sizable amount of data. Any information you
might provide would be gratefully received.

Please respond to me directly and include the word "Kutno" in the subject
line.

Ann Solomon
Tiburon,CA
SOLOMON/SALOMON/SALAMONCZYK/SOLOMAN/KATZ/STRASSBERG/STRASSBURG/MAMELSTEIN/
MARMORSZTAIJN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kutno Records Indexing #general

ZENKA@...
 

Kutno Records Indexing

I am attempting to locate any photocopies of indexes and partial or
completed indexed years which would have been generated in conjunction
with the old Kutnogroup. Since the Kutnogroup disolved without a
single record being made available, it is my intention to complete the
indexing for Kutno records 1808-1828. Any existant information you might
still have in your possession would help to reduce the time and expense
involved. It is my goal to make the records available as quickly
possible but there is a sizable amount of data. Any information you
might provide would be gratefully received.

Please respond to me directly and include the word "Kutno" in the subject
line.

Ann Solomon
Tiburon,CA
SOLOMON/SALOMON/SALAMONCZYK/SOLOMAN/KATZ/STRASSBERG/STRASSBURG/MAMELSTEIN/
MARMORSZTAIJN


Further update on cemeteries and gravestone photography #general

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings all,
I have now put online a Cemetery Directory that lists cemetery name, phone
numbers, addresses (both geographical and mailing), website addresses, dates
the cemeteries opened, approx. number of burials, along with other info such
as their policies on taking gravestone photos for you for free or for a fee
and mailing them to you. I am updating the list as I get more information.
Here is an update:

Mt. Lebanon Cemetery, Glendale, New York:
website: www.mountlebanoncemetery.com
They make available online a list or society names, along with the section
and block numbers.
They will take either a Polaroid or digital photo for you for fifteen
dollars per and mail it to you either by regular mail or e-mail (your
choice).

*Mt. Moriah Cemetery, Fairview, New Jersey:
website: www.mountmoriahcemeteryofnewjersey.org
More good news--their website allows you to do a search for an individual
burial or organization. The search for organization will only take you to
the cemetery map with the section highlighted, but the individual search
will allow you to search by last name or first name. The results, if
successful, will yield the person's last name, first name, date of burial,
organization and section and will highlight the section for you on an
overall grounds map.
They will take a Polaroid photo for you for eight dollars per and mail it
out to you by regular mail.

Beth Israel Cemetery, Woodbridge, New Jersey:
no website
If you would like them to take a photograph of a gravestone for you, mail
them a check for ten dollars per matzeva and they will take a Polaroid photo
for you and mail it to you by regular mail.

Mt. Lebanon Cemetery, Iselin, New Jersey:
no website
They will take a digital photo of a matzeva for you for five dollars per and
send it to you by regular mail.

King Solomon Cemetery, Clifton, New Jersey:
no website
They will take a matzeva photograph for you without charge and send you a
Polaroid by regular mail.

New Mt. Zion Cemetery, Rutherford, New Jersey:
no website
They will take a photograph for you for free >from a disposable camera, but
then you must wait until they use up the camera until they will mail it to
you by regular mail. Or you can send them a disposable camera and they will
send the camera back to you after they take your photos.

Union Field Cemetery, Ridgewood, New York:
website: www.unionfieldcemetery.org
If you would like a matzeva photo, please contact the cemetery office
through their new website. The fee is five dollars per photo for a Polaroid
(ten dollars for a digital photo though they cannot e-mail the photo to
you).

Mt. Neboh Cemetery, Glendale, New York:
no website
They will take a Polaroid photo for you for a fee of five dollars per and
send it to you by regular mail.

Re your possible request for a photograph of a matzevot (gravestone), you
generally must send the cemetery a check before they will take a photo for
you (assuming there is a fee.) Also, please be sure that the person you are
interested in is actually buried in that particular cemetery-best to call or
write the cemetery first. There might be, e.g. many Louis Cohens buried in a
large cemetery, so it is best to supply the cemetery with whatever
information you can that will help them find the correct stone, e.g. the
exact date of death, society name, plot location, etc. Please see the
individual cemetery policies on my Cemetery Directory web page.

Steven Lasky
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Further update on cemeteries and gravestone photography #general

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings all,
I have now put online a Cemetery Directory that lists cemetery name, phone
numbers, addresses (both geographical and mailing), website addresses, dates
the cemeteries opened, approx. number of burials, along with other info such
as their policies on taking gravestone photos for you for free or for a fee
and mailing them to you. I am updating the list as I get more information.
Here is an update:

Mt. Lebanon Cemetery, Glendale, New York:
website: www.mountlebanoncemetery.com
They make available online a list or society names, along with the section
and block numbers.
They will take either a Polaroid or digital photo for you for fifteen
dollars per and mail it to you either by regular mail or e-mail (your
choice).

*Mt. Moriah Cemetery, Fairview, New Jersey:
website: www.mountmoriahcemeteryofnewjersey.org
More good news--their website allows you to do a search for an individual
burial or organization. The search for organization will only take you to
the cemetery map with the section highlighted, but the individual search
will allow you to search by last name or first name. The results, if
successful, will yield the person's last name, first name, date of burial,
organization and section and will highlight the section for you on an
overall grounds map.
They will take a Polaroid photo for you for eight dollars per and mail it
out to you by regular mail.

Beth Israel Cemetery, Woodbridge, New Jersey:
no website
If you would like them to take a photograph of a gravestone for you, mail
them a check for ten dollars per matzeva and they will take a Polaroid photo
for you and mail it to you by regular mail.

Mt. Lebanon Cemetery, Iselin, New Jersey:
no website
They will take a digital photo of a matzeva for you for five dollars per and
send it to you by regular mail.

King Solomon Cemetery, Clifton, New Jersey:
no website
They will take a matzeva photograph for you without charge and send you a
Polaroid by regular mail.

New Mt. Zion Cemetery, Rutherford, New Jersey:
no website
They will take a photograph for you for free >from a disposable camera, but
then you must wait until they use up the camera until they will mail it to
you by regular mail. Or you can send them a disposable camera and they will
send the camera back to you after they take your photos.

Union Field Cemetery, Ridgewood, New York:
website: www.unionfieldcemetery.org
If you would like a matzeva photo, please contact the cemetery office
through their new website. The fee is five dollars per photo for a Polaroid
(ten dollars for a digital photo though they cannot e-mail the photo to
you).

Mt. Neboh Cemetery, Glendale, New York:
no website
They will take a Polaroid photo for you for a fee of five dollars per and
send it to you by regular mail.

Re your possible request for a photograph of a matzevot (gravestone), you
generally must send the cemetery a check before they will take a photo for
you (assuming there is a fee.) Also, please be sure that the person you are
interested in is actually buried in that particular cemetery-best to call or
write the cemetery first. There might be, e.g. many Louis Cohens buried in a
large cemetery, so it is best to supply the cemetery with whatever
information you can that will help them find the correct stone, e.g. the
exact date of death, society name, plot location, etc. Please see the
individual cemetery policies on my Cemetery Directory web page.

Steven Lasky
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


Re: Definition of Gentleman in England #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Steve Orlen asked about the word "gentleman" on his
now "Infamous Volinski Wedding Certificate" and
Michael Bernet defined the word for us in the context
of the British class system.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7487

If you study the censuses of England and Wales, there
are many indicators of social status. In this example
we see "Living on own means" [a very common
description]; gentleman; annuitant etc contrasted with
many "working class" occupations:

http://tinyurl.co.uk/b6rw

The enumerator must have decided what to enter into
the occupation slot after visiting the houses. In the
given example >from the 1881 census, I suspect that
"gentleman" implied that this man [of undefined past
occupation] was not very wealthy but obviously
reaonably well-off, ie and not a retired cowherd.
We even had a "Distressed Gentlefolks' Aid
Association" in the UK:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/8007

In the case of a wedding certificate, those involved
must have given the description to the registrar - ie
they wanted to clarify they were not "in trade" [God
forbid!] or manual workers. There is a sharp contrast
between the groom's father {Emanuel VOLINSKI/
VOLENSKI "deceased carpenter" and the bride's father
Mordecai - a gentleman. We do not know who wished to
stress this fact. I suspect it was brought up many
times in this marriage; my inner thoughts are
reinforced now I have read Steve's amusing [yet sad]
description of the groom Israel: "A cruel & formidable
intellectual ... He eventually moved to London where
he lived permanently & haunted the British Museum. He
opened an art gallery; he sired several illegitimate
offspring. In his later years he became a gentle
benevolent senior citizen & pleaded to be allowed to
come to America. But the family never forgave his
indiscretions & bluntly refused his appeals... he died
in 1936 at the age of 91."

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Definition of Gentleman in England #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Steve Orlen asked about the word "gentleman" on his
now "Infamous Volinski Wedding Certificate" and
Michael Bernet defined the word for us in the context
of the British class system.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7487

If you study the censuses of England and Wales, there
are many indicators of social status. In this example
we see "Living on own means" [a very common
description]; gentleman; annuitant etc contrasted with
many "working class" occupations:

http://tinyurl.co.uk/b6rw

The enumerator must have decided what to enter into
the occupation slot after visiting the houses. In the
given example >from the 1881 census, I suspect that
"gentleman" implied that this man [of undefined past
occupation] was not very wealthy but obviously
reaonably well-off, ie and not a retired cowherd.
We even had a "Distressed Gentlefolks' Aid
Association" in the UK:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/8007

In the case of a wedding certificate, those involved
must have given the description to the registrar - ie
they wanted to clarify they were not "in trade" [God
forbid!] or manual workers. There is a sharp contrast
between the groom's father {Emanuel VOLINSKI/
VOLENSKI "deceased carpenter" and the bride's father
Mordecai - a gentleman. We do not know who wished to
stress this fact. I suspect it was brought up many
times in this marriage; my inner thoughts are
reinforced now I have read Steve's amusing [yet sad]
description of the groom Israel: "A cruel & formidable
intellectual ... He eventually moved to London where
he lived permanently & haunted the British Museum. He
opened an art gallery; he sired several illegitimate
offspring. In his later years he became a gentle
benevolent senior citizen & pleaded to be allowed to
come to America. But the family never forgave his
indiscretions & bluntly refused his appeals... he died
in 1936 at the age of 91."

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: ROTHSCHILD a name where and how ? #general

Elsebeth P <jgsdk_ep@...>
 

At 01:20 10-02-2006, Judy wrote: ... snip...During my research I have found
that the name sprung up in many different areas before the famous
ROTHSCHILD'S even thought of the name. ... snip ... So does anybody have
any ideas or suggestions as to what was on the red shield sign) and isn't
this before the time that surnames came about in Germany.
Dear Judy,
I can tell you about the Danish ROTHSHILDs.
A man - his name is unkonwn! - who lived in Karge-Unruhstadt (which in the
sources are said to be located "where Brandenburg, Posen and Schlesien
meets") had at least 5 children (mentioned in a will).
One was Elias who immigrated to Denmark in 1773 together with his nephew
Israel (son of Leb/Loeb).
Elias settled in Maribo (on the island Lolland) in 1773 and Israel stayed
and worked with him until
1780, when Israel moved to Roskilde (a Danish town not far >from Copenhagen).
Elias was known as Elias MARIBO/MARIBOE and Israel was known as Israel
ROSKILDE/ROESKILDE but very soon the name was written ROTHSCHILD -
presumably because of Israel's German pronounciation!?
So we have had many ROTHSHILDs in Denmark (as well as MARIBOES), and
as far as I know none of them were related to the later famous ROTHSHILDs.
So there weren't any red shields in this story ...
Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk


Re: ROTHSCHILD a name where and how ? #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Judy wrote on 10 feb 2006 in soc.genealogy.jewish:
ROTHSCHILD
So does anybody
have any ideas or suggestions as to what was on the red shield sign)
In that time many people where analphabetic and the signs of cafes and
shops had to be visual. Itinerant painters were ordered to make a name into
a visual display.

A famous one was a London smitty, later inn, named "The Infante od
Castille" [baby Isabella, I believe, later wife of Ferdinand of Aragon]
which was vulgated to "Elephant and Castle", so the shield shows/showed an
Elephant and a Castle Keep.

I believe colours were also part of the visual image, so being the
establishment with a red sign hanging outside in the Frankfurter Jüdengasse
had a good business appeal.

The best historical link I found here:

<http://www.rothschildarchive.org/ib/?doc=/ib/articles/data_faq_redshield>

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)