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Re: Slovak Records #hungary

Vladimir Bohinc <konekta@...>
 

There is a famous year 1895.
In this year the civil records have been introduced in Hungary. This means,
that everybody, disregarding religion, was recorded there.
These records are being kept at the Town Halls or Mayor's offices in
practically every town and village.
Then there is the Privacy Law, and according to that the State Registrars
are allowed to issue a certificate only to a direct descendant.
Searching in those civil records by yourself is not allowed. Not very many
Registrars are willing to search at all. This is ( my opinion) due to the
fact, that those pre 1920 records are written in hungarian and not very many
Registrars know hungarian.
Also the place names in these records are in hungarian, which some
Registrars can not decypher.
Their general attitude is:" Tell me the name and exact date and you can have
the Certificate."
Because the oldest civil records are already over 100 years old, some
Registrars have already turned them in to the Archives.
Vital records in the archives, provided they are indexed, can be accessed by
the public.
Now, on the other hand, we have the Jewish Rabinate records. These books are
all in the archives and are accessible.
They usually begin with around 1850 and end with 1895 or even 1946. This
varies very much, depending on the Rabinate.
It is also interesting, that these Jewish Rabinate records, younger than 100
years are not considered to be governed by the Privacy law, so there is no
problem to study them or request a certificate.
Paradoxically, you can ask for a certificate without any complications for a
records >from Jewish books >from let us say 1935 and this Certificate will be
written by a Registrar, who would deny you to have it for the same event,
but taken >from the civil records.
Another thing to consider is, that Civil Records of one place cover only the
immediate area of this particular place, while Jewish Rabinate records of
one Rabinate usually cover much wider geographical area.
Vladimir Bohinc
Nove Mesto n.V
Slovakia


Subject: Slovak Records
From: Dolph Klein <kledolph@duke.edu>
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:09:21 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

Unless procedures have changed since my last inquiry in 2003, vital
records
of events post-1895 are obtained through the auspices of the Slovak
Embassy
in Washington. The application has to be mailed to Washington and
accompanied with a bank cashier check or money order for $10.00 (back in
2003) per record. The applicant may receive a typed transcript of the
original document with no guarantee that all of the information had been
faithfully transcribed such as Hebrew names and names of mid-wives,
witnesses, etc.

For records of pre-1895 vintage, applications are mailed directly to the
Interior Ministry in Bratislava. They, in turn, determine which of the
regional archives in Slovakia is appropriate for processing the requests.
No money is sent until the archive notifies the sender of the final
payment. Be advised also that the final cost is determined by the type of
application, individual vs. running account, and by the degree of effort
spent in the research, e.g., regular vs. intensive research. The latter is
determined by the amount of money the applicant is willing to spend. In
days gone by, the application stipulated three levels of research effort
and their administrative costs. The applicant receives a photocopy of the
original document with all the information included.

Having sent several applications to Washington and Bratislava, the turn
around time varied anywhere >from seven months to two years. The wait was
well worth the results. My personal experience while visiting the regional
archive in Bratislava was that the archive was understaffed and
overworked.

Another issue is that even when records of the latter half of the 19th
Century are not readily found in the archives, they may be located in
various town halls. Finding such records requires the effort of a paid
professional researcher. Contacting the town hall directly depends on the
willingness of the staff to respond.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Slovak Records #hungary

Vladimir Bohinc <konekta@...>
 

There is a famous year 1895.
In this year the civil records have been introduced in Hungary. This means,
that everybody, disregarding religion, was recorded there.
These records are being kept at the Town Halls or Mayor's offices in
practically every town and village.
Then there is the Privacy Law, and according to that the State Registrars
are allowed to issue a certificate only to a direct descendant.
Searching in those civil records by yourself is not allowed. Not very many
Registrars are willing to search at all. This is ( my opinion) due to the
fact, that those pre 1920 records are written in hungarian and not very many
Registrars know hungarian.
Also the place names in these records are in hungarian, which some
Registrars can not decypher.
Their general attitude is:" Tell me the name and exact date and you can have
the Certificate."
Because the oldest civil records are already over 100 years old, some
Registrars have already turned them in to the Archives.
Vital records in the archives, provided they are indexed, can be accessed by
the public.
Now, on the other hand, we have the Jewish Rabinate records. These books are
all in the archives and are accessible.
They usually begin with around 1850 and end with 1895 or even 1946. This
varies very much, depending on the Rabinate.
It is also interesting, that these Jewish Rabinate records, younger than 100
years are not considered to be governed by the Privacy law, so there is no
problem to study them or request a certificate.
Paradoxically, you can ask for a certificate without any complications for a
records >from Jewish books >from let us say 1935 and this Certificate will be
written by a Registrar, who would deny you to have it for the same event,
but taken >from the civil records.
Another thing to consider is, that Civil Records of one place cover only the
immediate area of this particular place, while Jewish Rabinate records of
one Rabinate usually cover much wider geographical area.
Vladimir Bohinc
Nove Mesto n.V
Slovakia


Subject: Slovak Records
From: Dolph Klein <kledolph@duke.edu>
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:09:21 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

Unless procedures have changed since my last inquiry in 2003, vital
records
of events post-1895 are obtained through the auspices of the Slovak
Embassy
in Washington. The application has to be mailed to Washington and
accompanied with a bank cashier check or money order for $10.00 (back in
2003) per record. The applicant may receive a typed transcript of the
original document with no guarantee that all of the information had been
faithfully transcribed such as Hebrew names and names of mid-wives,
witnesses, etc.

For records of pre-1895 vintage, applications are mailed directly to the
Interior Ministry in Bratislava. They, in turn, determine which of the
regional archives in Slovakia is appropriate for processing the requests.
No money is sent until the archive notifies the sender of the final
payment. Be advised also that the final cost is determined by the type of
application, individual vs. running account, and by the degree of effort
spent in the research, e.g., regular vs. intensive research. The latter is
determined by the amount of money the applicant is willing to spend. In
days gone by, the application stipulated three levels of research effort
and their administrative costs. The applicant receives a photocopy of the
original document with all the information included.

Having sent several applications to Washington and Bratislava, the turn
around time varied anywhere >from seven months to two years. The wait was
well worth the results. My personal experience while visiting the regional
archive in Bratislava was that the archive was understaffed and
overworked.

Another issue is that even when records of the latter half of the 19th
Century are not readily found in the archives, they may be located in
various town halls. Finding such records requires the effort of a paid
professional researcher. Contacting the town hall directly depends on the
willingness of the staff to respond.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC


Searching: OLENICK family in NYC as early as 1870 #general

Mark Rosenholz <statedmark@...>
 

Seeking family of Elias OLENICK (bp California, DOB : abt 1862) who
first married Dora GREEN/GREENE, and then married Fanny/Fannie
MATLOWSKY/MATLAWSKY in Feb. 1885 in NYC. Elias & Fanny had at least
5 children (Simon, Emanuel, Jacob, Jessie/Jesse, & Ruscia/Grace) per
1900 NY census.

Elias' parents are Moses L. OLENICK & Elizabeth SISSENWEIN/SISCUVIN;
Moses and Elizabeth married in San Francisco on 15 May 1857. Moses &
Elizabeth appear in the 1880 NY census with 2 children: Dora, age 13,
bp California; and Israel, age 5, bp NY.

Elias boarded with the Harris SEFF (?ZEFF) family in the 1880 NYC
census. Harris' wife Serena has a California birthplace in the
census. My suspicions (based on CA bp's) are that Elias and Serena
are related, but I have no proof of the same. Serena likely died
before 1887 since Harris remarried Concordia FILIPOWSKI in NYC in 1887.

Mark Rosenholz
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: OLENICK family in NYC as early as 1870 #general

Mark Rosenholz <statedmark@...>
 

Seeking family of Elias OLENICK (bp California, DOB : abt 1862) who
first married Dora GREEN/GREENE, and then married Fanny/Fannie
MATLOWSKY/MATLAWSKY in Feb. 1885 in NYC. Elias & Fanny had at least
5 children (Simon, Emanuel, Jacob, Jessie/Jesse, & Ruscia/Grace) per
1900 NY census.

Elias' parents are Moses L. OLENICK & Elizabeth SISSENWEIN/SISCUVIN;
Moses and Elizabeth married in San Francisco on 15 May 1857. Moses &
Elizabeth appear in the 1880 NY census with 2 children: Dora, age 13,
bp California; and Israel, age 5, bp NY.

Elias boarded with the Harris SEFF (?ZEFF) family in the 1880 NYC
census. Harris' wife Serena has a California birthplace in the
census. My suspicions (based on CA bp's) are that Elias and Serena
are related, but I have no proof of the same. Serena likely died
before 1887 since Harris remarried Concordia FILIPOWSKI in NYC in 1887.

Mark Rosenholz
Albany, NY


Searching: SCHWARTZ/Ratno, Ukraine #general

Elliot Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

Does anyone have any information about the SCHWARTZ family >from Ratno in the
Ukraine? Esther Schwartz became my paternal grandmother.
Elliot Fishman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SCHWARTZ/Ratno, Ukraine #general

Elliot Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

Does anyone have any information about the SCHWARTZ family >from Ratno in the
Ukraine? Esther Schwartz became my paternal grandmother.
Elliot Fishman


Searching: FISHMAN/Volochisk #general

Elliot Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

Does anyone have any infomation about the FISHMAN family >from Volochisk in
the Ukraine?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: FISHMAN/Volochisk #general

Elliot Fishman <elliotf@...>
 

Does anyone have any infomation about the FISHMAN family >from Volochisk in
the Ukraine?


Photo identification - Viewmate 7560 #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Most of my wife's family perished in the Holocaust and she never met her
relatives.
Recently we found a photo which we suspect depicts her 5 uncles on her mother's
side.

That photo can be seen on
< http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7560 >

Given that siblings usually carry some genetic/facial similarities, my question
is: could these five men be brothers? Do they look alike?

BTW, this photo was taken in 1931, in Budapest. We know this >from an annotation
on its back.

Many thanks for examining this picture.
Regards
Tom
--

Tom Venetianer < mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br >
Sao Paulo - Brazil

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photo identification - Viewmate 7560 #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Most of my wife's family perished in the Holocaust and she never met her
relatives.
Recently we found a photo which we suspect depicts her 5 uncles on her mother's
side.

That photo can be seen on
< http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7560 >

Given that siblings usually carry some genetic/facial similarities, my question
is: could these five men be brothers? Do they look alike?

BTW, this photo was taken in 1931, in Budapest. We know this >from an annotation
on its back.

Many thanks for examining this picture.
Regards
Tom
--

Tom Venetianer < mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br >
Sao Paulo - Brazil

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Searching for Michael GETTINGER, US army uniform identification #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

I have for many years searched without success for my childhood
friend Michael GETTINGER.

Like me, he grew up in Haifa, Israel. He was born there in 1937.
He left there, I think, around 1950 with his father Nathan ??? and
mother Edith ??? (I am no longer certain of their personal names)

I have a picture of him in US Uniform. it is posted to Viewmate at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7558

I failed to find anyone in the US Military who could help me identify
the military unit Michael belonged to - or any archive where I might
ask about this.

The photograph was probably taken in 1958

There is a possibility that he has moved to Argentina.

Do you know of any other person I can alert to the search?

Thank you

David Lewin
London

MODERATOR NOTE: Replies about the uniform identification and personal data about
Mr. Gettinger should be sent privately. Replies on search methods may be sent to
the list.


WALDMAN #general

Marilyn McKay <oceanjade@...>
 

I found the wedding year of my gf's parents......they were >from Warsaw and
Lodz and married in Lodz, Poland. Their names were Nycha Zysla SENDYK and
Mosek WALDMAN. Married: 1901 both born about1876. They had a son (my
grandfather)Ytzhak born in 1902 on Lodz. I have been searching for his name
but can't find it. They came to the U.S. around 1903.

Would anyone be able to tell me why I can't find a record of his
birth.......I would appreciate any thoughts ....

Marilyn McKay
Tampa, Fl.

Searching: WALDMAN< SENDYK< KARMELEK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Michael GETTINGER, US army uniform identification #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

I have for many years searched without success for my childhood
friend Michael GETTINGER.

Like me, he grew up in Haifa, Israel. He was born there in 1937.
He left there, I think, around 1950 with his father Nathan ??? and
mother Edith ??? (I am no longer certain of their personal names)

I have a picture of him in US Uniform. it is posted to Viewmate at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7558

I failed to find anyone in the US Military who could help me identify
the military unit Michael belonged to - or any archive where I might
ask about this.

The photograph was probably taken in 1958

There is a possibility that he has moved to Argentina.

Do you know of any other person I can alert to the search?

Thank you

David Lewin
London

MODERATOR NOTE: Replies about the uniform identification and personal data about
Mr. Gettinger should be sent privately. Replies on search methods may be sent to
the list.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WALDMAN #general

Marilyn McKay <oceanjade@...>
 

I found the wedding year of my gf's parents......they were >from Warsaw and
Lodz and married in Lodz, Poland. Their names were Nycha Zysla SENDYK and
Mosek WALDMAN. Married: 1901 both born about1876. They had a son (my
grandfather)Ytzhak born in 1902 on Lodz. I have been searching for his name
but can't find it. They came to the U.S. around 1903.

Would anyone be able to tell me why I can't find a record of his
birth.......I would appreciate any thoughts ....

Marilyn McKay
Tampa, Fl.

Searching: WALDMAN< SENDYK< KARMELEK


Tuszyn #general

jap972@...
 

Hello,
I have been searching for family >from Tuszyn for a long time,it appears
that there is not to many people searching that area of Poland,I keep
hoping that i'll find some connections to my fathers family,his mother
was Ruchel BLADY, she was married to a Szaja Dowid SZWARC,they had 9
children,my father was Chaim SZWARC, he had a sister Malka Laja Szwarc
married to a Szmul Wolf HAMPEL,another sister Rojza Szwarc married to a
Jon WALD, Ruchel Blady's parents were Moisek Aron Blady,and Rhakil
SADOWSKI,she was Moisek Arons second wife,Szaja Dowid Szwarc's parents
were Abram Szwarc,and Sara RUBINSTEIN,
if any of this seems to be familiar to anybody please contact me
Thanks to all of the wonderful people on here for your help,
Thank you
Sherry Finkel Schernbeck
jap972@aol.com

searching for
BLADY, HECHT, SADOWSKI, RUBINSTEIN, SZWARC, WALD, HAMPEL, HERSLIKOWITZ, and
WOLFSTADT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tuszyn #general

jap972@...
 

Hello,
I have been searching for family >from Tuszyn for a long time,it appears
that there is not to many people searching that area of Poland,I keep
hoping that i'll find some connections to my fathers family,his mother
was Ruchel BLADY, she was married to a Szaja Dowid SZWARC,they had 9
children,my father was Chaim SZWARC, he had a sister Malka Laja Szwarc
married to a Szmul Wolf HAMPEL,another sister Rojza Szwarc married to a
Jon WALD, Ruchel Blady's parents were Moisek Aron Blady,and Rhakil
SADOWSKI,she was Moisek Arons second wife,Szaja Dowid Szwarc's parents
were Abram Szwarc,and Sara RUBINSTEIN,
if any of this seems to be familiar to anybody please contact me
Thanks to all of the wonderful people on here for your help,
Thank you
Sherry Finkel Schernbeck
jap972@aol.com

searching for
BLADY, HECHT, SADOWSKI, RUBINSTEIN, SZWARC, WALD, HAMPEL, HERSLIKOWITZ, and
WOLFSTADT


Jewishgen does it again! #general

Pierre KOGAN
 

Dear fellow JewishGenners,

Once again JewishGen, and its wonderful members, through its JGFF and
two very helpful responses to locate the family of a person, a
physician, who had been on a Convoy #50 >from France. Now his name,
picture, and all of his information can be added to the Yad Vashem
database, so that he can once again be recognized and resored to memory.

This is not the first time that JewishGen has helped me in similar
searches. But I am grateful to you all! A particular thank you to
Marian Rubin and Elisha Amidan!

P. Kogan
F- 67000 Strasbourg

MODERATOR NOTE: A great way to show appreciation is through a
contribution to JewishGen; for more information, see
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewishgen does it again! #general

Pierre KOGAN
 

Dear fellow JewishGenners,

Once again JewishGen, and its wonderful members, through its JGFF and
two very helpful responses to locate the family of a person, a
physician, who had been on a Convoy #50 >from France. Now his name,
picture, and all of his information can be added to the Yad Vashem
database, so that he can once again be recognized and resored to memory.

This is not the first time that JewishGen has helped me in similar
searches. But I am grateful to you all! A particular thank you to
Marian Rubin and Elisha Amidan!

P. Kogan
F- 67000 Strasbourg

MODERATOR NOTE: A great way to show appreciation is through a
contribution to JewishGen; for more information, see
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


Re: Originally Poland - then Germany #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Roger Lustig" wrote

Technically, there weren't any regions that were Poland in 1871-81,
period. The "Kingdom of Poland" was part of the Russian Empire. There
was no country called Poland between 1795 and 1919.

As far as I know, there were no territorial exchanges between the two
empires during the period you mention. However, the Grand Duchy of Posen,
which was part of the German Empire, had many Polish-speaking inhabitants.
"Grossherzogtum Posen" was rather a short lived entity. Following its
establishment in 1815 (Vienna Congress) it ceased to exist in 1849. This was
an autonomous entity of Prussia, formed to satisfy Polish national
aspiration. Following uprisings in 1846 and 1848, Prussian administration
has changed its name to Provinz Posen.

BTW, Polish speakers were also numerous in the other parts of Prussia: Upper
Silesia, East Prussia and Pomerania.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Originally Poland - then Germany #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Roger Lustig" wrote

Technically, there weren't any regions that were Poland in 1871-81,
period. The "Kingdom of Poland" was part of the Russian Empire. There
was no country called Poland between 1795 and 1919.

As far as I know, there were no territorial exchanges between the two
empires during the period you mention. However, the Grand Duchy of Posen,
which was part of the German Empire, had many Polish-speaking inhabitants.
"Grossherzogtum Posen" was rather a short lived entity. Following its
establishment in 1815 (Vienna Congress) it ceased to exist in 1849. This was
an autonomous entity of Prussia, formed to satisfy Polish national
aspiration. Following uprisings in 1846 and 1848, Prussian administration
has changed its name to Provinz Posen.

BTW, Polish speakers were also numerous in the other parts of Prussia: Upper
Silesia, East Prussia and Pomerania.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta