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UK marriage records - Great Synagogue of London #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I have been informed that Harold & Miriam Lewin have gone to great lengths
to publish the following book.
Lewin, Harold & Miriam. Marriage Records of the Great Synagogue- London
1791-1885. Jerusalem, 2004. 700p. Information on how to contact them about
the book can be found on our website.
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/BIB/BksMembers.html
This is not an advertisement just a reference. Various other books written
or produced by members of the Israel Genealogical Society can be seen on
this page
Rose Feldman
Secretary, Tel-Aviv Branch of the Israel Genealogical Society & webmaster
http://www.isragen.org.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Posted as a one-time sales mention, as allowed for
genealogical books.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UK marriage records - Great Synagogue of London #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I have been informed that Harold & Miriam Lewin have gone to great lengths
to publish the following book.
Lewin, Harold & Miriam. Marriage Records of the Great Synagogue- London
1791-1885. Jerusalem, 2004. 700p. Information on how to contact them about
the book can be found on our website.
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/BIB/BksMembers.html
This is not an advertisement just a reference. Various other books written
or produced by members of the Israel Genealogical Society can be seen on
this page
Rose Feldman
Secretary, Tel-Aviv Branch of the Israel Genealogical Society & webmaster
http://www.isragen.org.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Posted as a one-time sales mention, as allowed for
genealogical books.


Re: Blocking Replies to Your Jewishgen Postings #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I am another writer who is irked when a reply to some question is blocked by
a Spam protector. Why would I go to the trouble of filling out an online
form, just to be able to help someone? There are many alternative
spam-blocking techniques, so this one is not the only way to do it.

It is even worse, sometime. I got that message after I changed my ISP, but
the contact message had 'expired' and would not let me fill out the form, so
I can no longer email a cousin. I wrote to the ISP and got no help.
Perhaps she is reading this.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

MODERATOR NOTE: This topic has been explored here recently, but we
are posting in the hope that Sally's cousin will see this and help
out. Good luck!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Blocking Replies to Your Jewishgen Postings #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I am another writer who is irked when a reply to some question is blocked by
a Spam protector. Why would I go to the trouble of filling out an online
form, just to be able to help someone? There are many alternative
spam-blocking techniques, so this one is not the only way to do it.

It is even worse, sometime. I got that message after I changed my ISP, but
the contact message had 'expired' and would not let me fill out the form, so
I can no longer email a cousin. I wrote to the ISP and got no help.
Perhaps she is reading this.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

MODERATOR NOTE: This topic has been explored here recently, but we
are posting in the hope that Sally's cousin will see this and help
out. Good luck!


Re: born in Austria, Poland, Hungary #general

joyweave
 

My apologies for bad history!

I've looked again at the census returns for this family for 1900- 1930
and now I see that in 1900 they came >from Austria, in 1910 they came
from Russia and in 1920 and 1930 they came >from Germany.
Most interesting. In today's world they are >from Kamanetz-Podolska,
Ukraine.

Sorry.

Joy

Joy Weaver wrote:
*********************************************************************
This subject head reminds me of something I learned that others may need
and not know.

One family related to mine came to the U.S. in the 1890s. The 1900
census says they were >from Austria, but everything else says they were
from Ukraine.
I wondered why they lied at the beginning, but then learned that
Ukraine, or at least part of it, was indeed under the Austro-Hungarian
Emperor at that time.


Re: Name Derivation: EBY #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/4/2006 9:46:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
educonser@... writes:

< My ggrandfather was known as Samuel EBY.
< I cannot find any roots for the name.

==It could be a patronymic. Eber, Eberle etc were first names derived >from
Abraham. So it would be the equivalent of its American sound-alike, Abie

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: born in Austria, Poland, Hungary #general

joyweave
 

My apologies for bad history!

I've looked again at the census returns for this family for 1900- 1930
and now I see that in 1900 they came >from Austria, in 1910 they came
from Russia and in 1920 and 1930 they came >from Germany.
Most interesting. In today's world they are >from Kamanetz-Podolska,
Ukraine.

Sorry.

Joy

Joy Weaver wrote:
*********************************************************************
This subject head reminds me of something I learned that others may need
and not know.

One family related to mine came to the U.S. in the 1890s. The 1900
census says they were >from Austria, but everything else says they were
from Ukraine.
I wondered why they lied at the beginning, but then learned that
Ukraine, or at least part of it, was indeed under the Austro-Hungarian
Emperor at that time.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name Derivation: EBY #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/4/2006 9:46:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
educonser@... writes:

< My ggrandfather was known as Samuel EBY.
< I cannot find any roots for the name.

==It could be a patronymic. Eber, Eberle etc were first names derived >from
Abraham. So it would be the equivalent of its American sound-alike, Abie

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: born in Austria, Poland, Hungary #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Joy Weaver wrote: < "This subject head reminds me of
something I learned that others may need and not know.
One family related to mine came to the U.S. in the
1890s. The 1900 census says they were >from Austria,
but everything else says they were >from Ukraine.
I wondered why they lied at the beginning, but then
learned that Ukraine, or at least part of it, was
indeed under the Austro-Hungarian Emperor at that
time.">

If you were >from Dublin in Southern Ireland [Eire]
before it became independent in 1921 and settled in
the US and wrote "United Kingdom" on your census form
at the time, it would not have been ***a lie***.
Likewise, if you were >from the Habsburg Empire, which
was vast and - included parts of Europe which *later*
were in the Ukraine - to say you were >from Austria was
***not a lie***. And yes, parts of the old Habsburg
Empire, pre 1918, are indeed now in the Ukraine.

Your travel document in the late 1800s would probably
have stated you were a subject [Untertan] of the
Emperor Franz Josef.

This discussion has now more or less reverted to the
original question posed by Victoria Reed. Victoria
told us that the US census for her family said they
were >from *Vienna*, when they came >from Galicia. After
my detailed explanation and analysis of censuses,
Victoria rechecked her facts and issued a correction.
The word *Vienna* [the Imperial Capital of the
Habsburg Empire] only appeared on the ship's passenger
list and *not* on the census which clearly stated
*Galicia*.

In my experience of sea travel in the 1940s and 1950s,
we handed in our passports to the purser and picked
them up after a few days. He, or one of his juniors,
must have decided to select relevant words >from the
passport - in the case of our family, I have no idea
what he wrote: we all had British passports and were
living in Alexandria, Egypt, but I was born in Vienna;
my older brother was born in Alexandria; my mother was
born in Vienna in 1906 and my father in London pre
1900. The scope for mistakes is enormous.

Was filling in these ship's passenger lists in the
"good old pre-terrorist days", a mere formality to
cross-check with the ticket purchases and comply with
safety regulations - or did the lists per-se play a
role in the immigration process?

I would be most interested to hear if anyone has a
travel document/passport for someone >from Galicia or
Bukowina pre 1918 and whether the word *Vienna*
appears on the document. It may only appear if the
person in question went to Vienna first to obtain the
travel document - ie "issued in Vienna". I assume
there must have been district passport offices in many
important centres such as Krakow, Lemberg, Czernowitz
etc also issuing travel documents. Hopefully, we can
have a look at a viewmate scan.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: born in Austria, Poland, Hungary #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Joy Weaver wrote: < "This subject head reminds me of
something I learned that others may need and not know.
One family related to mine came to the U.S. in the
1890s. The 1900 census says they were >from Austria,
but everything else says they were >from Ukraine.
I wondered why they lied at the beginning, but then
learned that Ukraine, or at least part of it, was
indeed under the Austro-Hungarian Emperor at that
time.">

If you were >from Dublin in Southern Ireland [Eire]
before it became independent in 1921 and settled in
the US and wrote "United Kingdom" on your census form
at the time, it would not have been ***a lie***.
Likewise, if you were >from the Habsburg Empire, which
was vast and - included parts of Europe which *later*
were in the Ukraine - to say you were >from Austria was
***not a lie***. And yes, parts of the old Habsburg
Empire, pre 1918, are indeed now in the Ukraine.

Your travel document in the late 1800s would probably
have stated you were a subject [Untertan] of the
Emperor Franz Josef.

This discussion has now more or less reverted to the
original question posed by Victoria Reed. Victoria
told us that the US census for her family said they
were >from *Vienna*, when they came >from Galicia. After
my detailed explanation and analysis of censuses,
Victoria rechecked her facts and issued a correction.
The word *Vienna* [the Imperial Capital of the
Habsburg Empire] only appeared on the ship's passenger
list and *not* on the census which clearly stated
*Galicia*.

In my experience of sea travel in the 1940s and 1950s,
we handed in our passports to the purser and picked
them up after a few days. He, or one of his juniors,
must have decided to select relevant words >from the
passport - in the case of our family, I have no idea
what he wrote: we all had British passports and were
living in Alexandria, Egypt, but I was born in Vienna;
my older brother was born in Alexandria; my mother was
born in Vienna in 1906 and my father in London pre
1900. The scope for mistakes is enormous.

Was filling in these ship's passenger lists in the
"good old pre-terrorist days", a mere formality to
cross-check with the ticket purchases and comply with
safety regulations - or did the lists per-se play a
role in the immigration process?

I would be most interested to hear if anyone has a
travel document/passport for someone >from Galicia or
Bukowina pre 1918 and whether the word *Vienna*
appears on the document. It may only appear if the
person in question went to Vienna first to obtain the
travel document - ie "issued in Vienna". I assume
there must have been district passport offices in many
important centres such as Krakow, Lemberg, Czernowitz
etc also issuing travel documents. Hopefully, we can
have a look at a viewmate scan.

Celia Male [U.K.]


BRENNSOHN(BRENSON) family photos #general

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

The ancestor photos of Nina Kossman have been added to my Rigapage.
Her BRENNSOHN(BRENSON) family photos can be seen at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/riga/Ancestors_Photos.htm
The page is growing rapidly so there are now thumbnails which can be
enlarged by double clicking on the photo.

Arlene Beare
UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BRENNSOHN(BRENSON) family photos #general

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

The ancestor photos of Nina Kossman have been added to my Rigapage.
Her BRENNSOHN(BRENSON) family photos can be seen at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/riga/Ancestors_Photos.htm
The page is growing rapidly so there are now thumbnails which can be
enlarged by double clicking on the photo.

Arlene Beare
UK


Re: Name Derivation: EBY #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:49:17 UTC, educonser@... opined:

Hello,

Here is my contribution to the Name Derivation discussion.
My ggrandfather was known as Samuel EBY. I cannot find any
roots for the name. Was it created when he landed by a
lazzy immigration official? Or is there some sense to the name ?
On different documents I have seen it spelled as Ebbe, Ebbi,
Ebe, and Ab. It was translated for Yiddish script as Eby. All
of his family took the name Eby. They came form Rushany, Grodno.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Please reply privately
There is a point of general interest here, so I hope the moderator
will pass this response for posting, despite the request for private
reply. This is addressed to anyone who may make a similar query; this
one is only an example.

Although several variant spellings are given for the name, and it is
stated that at least one of them was given by a transliterator >from
Yiddish, we are not allowed to see the original Yiddish.
Transliteration between these two writing systems is not unambiguous.
There is more than one Yiddish spelling that might be interpreted as
any one of the Latin spellings offered. That means that information
has been lost that might give someone here a clue to the origin of the
name. Maybe not, but please give us something to work with beyond our
unaided imaginations. It is not so difficult to make a scan that
anyone should be restrained >from making one and posting it on
Viewmate.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email
form there.

MODERATOR NOTE: ViewMate is a free web-posting service for images.
You can upload your photo or document scans at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ , and our volunteers will sort
and post them for others to view and aid with translations and
identifications. If you have a Yiddish document on hand, or are able
to get access to it, ViewMate can be very helpful.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name Derivation: EBY #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:49:17 UTC, educonser@... opined:

Hello,

Here is my contribution to the Name Derivation discussion.
My ggrandfather was known as Samuel EBY. I cannot find any
roots for the name. Was it created when he landed by a
lazzy immigration official? Or is there some sense to the name ?
On different documents I have seen it spelled as Ebbe, Ebbi,
Ebe, and Ab. It was translated for Yiddish script as Eby. All
of his family took the name Eby. They came form Rushany, Grodno.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Please reply privately
There is a point of general interest here, so I hope the moderator
will pass this response for posting, despite the request for private
reply. This is addressed to anyone who may make a similar query; this
one is only an example.

Although several variant spellings are given for the name, and it is
stated that at least one of them was given by a transliterator >from
Yiddish, we are not allowed to see the original Yiddish.
Transliteration between these two writing systems is not unambiguous.
There is more than one Yiddish spelling that might be interpreted as
any one of the Latin spellings offered. That means that information
has been lost that might give someone here a clue to the origin of the
name. Maybe not, but please give us something to work with beyond our
unaided imaginations. It is not so difficult to make a scan that
anyone should be restrained >from making one and posting it on
Viewmate.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email
form there.

MODERATOR NOTE: ViewMate is a free web-posting service for images.
You can upload your photo or document scans at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ , and our volunteers will sort
and post them for others to view and aid with translations and
identifications. If you have a Yiddish document on hand, or are able
to get access to it, ViewMate can be very helpful.


NYC Public School records revisited #general

David Priever
 

Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,

I read the posting by Ms. Lynne R. Shapiro with great interest. She is 100%
correct in what she states.

As many of you know, a few years ago I was obtaining many school records for
those of you who requested it >from schools within my school district on the
Lower East Side of New York. It became increasingly difficult since many
schools did not have the records sought *or* the school administration would
either not allow access or the office staff did not have the time to look.
Luckily I was able to find many by myself. I apologise to those who asked
and I was unable to find or obtain the records.

According to the NYC Bd. of Education Chancellor's Regulations, >from what I
recall, school records are supposed to be retained for 50 years after the
student graduates. The pupil office cards -today yellow for girls and white
for boys (or visa-versa)-are kept considerably longer. I saw many POC's
during my searching travels for students who were born in the late
1890's-early 1900's.

There is a family federal act (I don't recall the exact name) which fully
explains who had the right to obtain the records and the procedures.

Luckily I was in a school in which the principal (he retired June 2005) was
a history buff, very long-standing in the educational community and he knew
I was into genealogy even with a degree in Physical Education and liked it
very much when I found items on his own family!!

To close, our late great fellow genealogist Lucille Gudis expressed interest
a few years ago to me in possibly having the POC's scanned, especially in
the schools of the Lower East Side. I always thought this would be a
phenomenal idea and bring in quite a bit of revenue for the Department of
Education but laws and privacy acts put a lid on this for now. The NYCDOE
is trying to prevent any lawsuits.

I could be wrong in some of what I say, but as far as I know I am pretty
much on the mark.

The records *are* there. Many aren't due to the reasons of age, but for the
most part I can say that I have seen with my own eyes records in school
basements *and quite alot of them* that are very old. It is just a matter of
doing the search.

Sincerely,

David Priever
Jamaica, Queens Co., NY
email: brooklyn1960@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Public School records revisited #general

David Priever
 

Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,

I read the posting by Ms. Lynne R. Shapiro with great interest. She is 100%
correct in what she states.

As many of you know, a few years ago I was obtaining many school records for
those of you who requested it >from schools within my school district on the
Lower East Side of New York. It became increasingly difficult since many
schools did not have the records sought *or* the school administration would
either not allow access or the office staff did not have the time to look.
Luckily I was able to find many by myself. I apologise to those who asked
and I was unable to find or obtain the records.

According to the NYC Bd. of Education Chancellor's Regulations, >from what I
recall, school records are supposed to be retained for 50 years after the
student graduates. The pupil office cards -today yellow for girls and white
for boys (or visa-versa)-are kept considerably longer. I saw many POC's
during my searching travels for students who were born in the late
1890's-early 1900's.

There is a family federal act (I don't recall the exact name) which fully
explains who had the right to obtain the records and the procedures.

Luckily I was in a school in which the principal (he retired June 2005) was
a history buff, very long-standing in the educational community and he knew
I was into genealogy even with a degree in Physical Education and liked it
very much when I found items on his own family!!

To close, our late great fellow genealogist Lucille Gudis expressed interest
a few years ago to me in possibly having the POC's scanned, especially in
the schools of the Lower East Side. I always thought this would be a
phenomenal idea and bring in quite a bit of revenue for the Department of
Education but laws and privacy acts put a lid on this for now. The NYCDOE
is trying to prevent any lawsuits.

I could be wrong in some of what I say, but as far as I know I am pretty
much on the mark.

The records *are* there. Many aren't due to the reasons of age, but for the
most part I can say that I have seen with my own eyes records in school
basements *and quite alot of them* that are very old. It is just a matter of
doing the search.

Sincerely,

David Priever
Jamaica, Queens Co., NY
email: brooklyn1960@...


PRINCES in Amsterdam #general

BBellACSW@...
 

I will be visiting Amsterdam 15 March through 21st. Does anyone have
suggestions about good researching facilities there? And how I might prepare
for the trip? I would be happy to learn of anyting else that might be of help
to me during my visit there. My family line is Hart and Bella PRINCE.

Bessie Bell
Sea Cliff, New York
bbellacsw@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PRINCES in Amsterdam #general

BBellACSW@...
 

I will be visiting Amsterdam 15 March through 21st. Does anyone have
suggestions about good researching facilities there? And how I might prepare
for the trip? I would be happy to learn of anyting else that might be of help
to me during my visit there. My family line is Hart and Bella PRINCE.

Bessie Bell
Sea Cliff, New York
bbellacsw@...


RAWBONE / RABONE / RATHBONE origins in England and Ireland pre 1650c #general

S BARNEY <hornspipe@...>
 

The variant spelling of the RAWBONE / RABONE / RATHBONE
have been inter connected to the same family genetic
line in England, etc., for at least 400 years
confirmed by my research into those family units in
Warwickshire. My maternal direct line is out of
Wellesbourne, Warwickshire, and began with one
family unit in 1800 to 70 units at 1900 when 400 yrs
in a rural activity setting was closed by
absorbstion to the industrial areas. Many smaller,
adjoining villages held relative numbers. I am
aware of individual names in records c1350. but
the increased concentration of the names increased
post 1550c in the north of england, the midlands
(Warwickshire), Gloucestershire and Ireland. I am
aware the Jewish cultural awareness and/or
conventions was not observed post-incoming period.
Most people with these surnames are curious of its
origins for general reasons (and are *very* active on
the internet seeking their past) or because they
sense a Jewish core heritage >from those early times,
including myself. I would welcome some input which
would help to clear the mist. posted by John
Hornsby, (Rawbone), Warwickshire, England.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RAWBONE / RABONE / RATHBONE origins in England and Ireland pre 1650c #general

S BARNEY <hornspipe@...>
 

The variant spelling of the RAWBONE / RABONE / RATHBONE
have been inter connected to the same family genetic
line in England, etc., for at least 400 years
confirmed by my research into those family units in
Warwickshire. My maternal direct line is out of
Wellesbourne, Warwickshire, and began with one
family unit in 1800 to 70 units at 1900 when 400 yrs
in a rural activity setting was closed by
absorbstion to the industrial areas. Many smaller,
adjoining villages held relative numbers. I am
aware of individual names in records c1350. but
the increased concentration of the names increased
post 1550c in the north of england, the midlands
(Warwickshire), Gloucestershire and Ireland. I am
aware the Jewish cultural awareness and/or
conventions was not observed post-incoming period.
Most people with these surnames are curious of its
origins for general reasons (and are *very* active on
the internet seeking their past) or because they
sense a Jewish core heritage >from those early times,
including myself. I would welcome some input which
would help to clear the mist. posted by John
Hornsby, (Rawbone), Warwickshire, England.