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Mistakes transcribing from the Ellis Island ship manifests #general

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings,

Of course there were many, many mistakes made in transcribing >from the Ellis
Island ship manifests to their database. It is no wonder that many of us
have problems finding the names we are looking for. However, it was often
very difficult to decipher the cursive script that many of the ship officers
used when making these entries. These entries were made mostly all hand
until 1920 or so. After 1920, most entries were typed onto the ship manifest
pages. making the information more legible, though mistakes were made in
typing and in its subsequent transcribing too, but to a lesser extent.)
I have created two webpages on my website (URL below) which might help a
small bit. The pages can be accessed via the Research heading on my Site Map
page. The titles of these pages are "Script Samples >from the Ellis Island
Database" and "Upper Case Letter Samples >from Antwerp Ship Manifests
1898-1914."

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mistakes transcribing from the Ellis Island ship manifests #general

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings,

Of course there were many, many mistakes made in transcribing >from the Ellis
Island ship manifests to their database. It is no wonder that many of us
have problems finding the names we are looking for. However, it was often
very difficult to decipher the cursive script that many of the ship officers
used when making these entries. These entries were made mostly all hand
until 1920 or so. After 1920, most entries were typed onto the ship manifest
pages. making the information more legible, though mistakes were made in
typing and in its subsequent transcribing too, but to a lesser extent.)
I have created two webpages on my website (URL below) which might help a
small bit. The pages can be accessed via the Research heading on my Site Map
page. The titles of these pages are "Script Samples >from the Ellis Island
Database" and "Upper Case Letter Samples >from Antwerp Ship Manifests
1898-1914."

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


Re: Stephen Morse's One-Step is Non-Stop #general

D. Abrams <dabrams1@...>
 

Hi Morris and all,
I can attest to the difficulty transcribing microfilmed manifests for a
database as I was a volunteer on one such project. There were many names
that I couldn't make out with certainty because of the handwriting, or the
faded ink or both. It didn't help that many names were unknown to me. I
made every effort to give each name my best shot before I entered it in my
spreadsheet, in some cases searching existing databases to see if a name
that seemed very odd had been recorded anywhere else and/or consulting
others before I committed it to the database I was helping create. It was a
slow, daunting process and I know "my best shot" in some cases was probably
way off.

After my humbling experience I had new respect for the volunteers who
created the EIDB. I'm sure they did their best too. At stevemorse.org the
One-Step process allows family researchers to search the imperfect EIDB as
it exists, one might say, warts and all, using many filters at once. In the
search for LUFT passengers, for example, one could search for Jewish
passengers (Blue Form) named "LUFT" who hailed >from "Janowa". Such
a search will result with a list of 4 names, including Sinabab/Michal), not
288 that a global search on name alone delivers. Not bad most would say.
I think it proves that "all the hurrahs" for One-Step are well deserved.

I urge all Genners to carefully review the FAQs on stevemorse.org to make
sure they understand what the One-Step EIDB process is (and what it's not)
in order to take advantage of its full potential. Also, while searching try
to think kindly about the volunteer transcribers who create databases for us
and faltered along the way. Finally, when you find an obvious mistake on
the EIDB, such as Sinabab for Michal, let the Ellis Island website know. I
found this handy note in Steve's FAQs #111 at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/faq.htm .

I found the link to which Steve refers on the "Passenger Record" page. It
might be elsewhere too. It would be interesting to hear if anyone has used
this method and if a correction resulted.

Best wishes to all searching for elusive passengers!
Dena Abrams
Merrick, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Stephen Morse's One-Step is Non-Stop #general

D. Abrams <dabrams1@...>
 

Hi Morris and all,
I can attest to the difficulty transcribing microfilmed manifests for a
database as I was a volunteer on one such project. There were many names
that I couldn't make out with certainty because of the handwriting, or the
faded ink or both. It didn't help that many names were unknown to me. I
made every effort to give each name my best shot before I entered it in my
spreadsheet, in some cases searching existing databases to see if a name
that seemed very odd had been recorded anywhere else and/or consulting
others before I committed it to the database I was helping create. It was a
slow, daunting process and I know "my best shot" in some cases was probably
way off.

After my humbling experience I had new respect for the volunteers who
created the EIDB. I'm sure they did their best too. At stevemorse.org the
One-Step process allows family researchers to search the imperfect EIDB as
it exists, one might say, warts and all, using many filters at once. In the
search for LUFT passengers, for example, one could search for Jewish
passengers (Blue Form) named "LUFT" who hailed >from "Janowa". Such
a search will result with a list of 4 names, including Sinabab/Michal), not
288 that a global search on name alone delivers. Not bad most would say.
I think it proves that "all the hurrahs" for One-Step are well deserved.

I urge all Genners to carefully review the FAQs on stevemorse.org to make
sure they understand what the One-Step EIDB process is (and what it's not)
in order to take advantage of its full potential. Also, while searching try
to think kindly about the volunteer transcribers who create databases for us
and faltered along the way. Finally, when you find an obvious mistake on
the EIDB, such as Sinabab for Michal, let the Ellis Island website know. I
found this handy note in Steve's FAQs #111 at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/faq.htm .

I found the link to which Steve refers on the "Passenger Record" page. It
might be elsewhere too. It would be interesting to hear if anyone has used
this method and if a correction resulted.

Best wishes to all searching for elusive passengers!
Dena Abrams
Merrick, NY


Raanana contacts #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to locate the following who live in Raanana.
They are all originally >from Cape Town, South Africa.

Charles ABELSON
Michael SILVERMAN
Abel LEVITT

In appreciation
Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J. 07208


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Raanana contacts #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to locate the following who live in Raanana.
They are all originally >from Cape Town, South Africa.

Charles ABELSON
Michael SILVERMAN
Abel LEVITT

In appreciation
Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J. 07208


Searching: Lindenfeld #general

Luc Teerlinck <luc.teerlinck@...>
 

Hello,
I am looking for my grand-father for now a few month ago.
You will find herewith some details about him:
Name: Chaim Joseph LINDENFELD
Date of birth: 6 july 1916
Place of birth: Warzaw in Poland
Name of his father: Abram Lindenfeld
Name of his mother: Chiffra WARTMAN

He arrived in Belgium in 1946 (>from Buchenwald) and was expulsed from
Belgium in june or july 1949. Then he arrived in Israel in approximetly
august 1949 and left Israel in 1972.
I know also that he married in Israel a lady called Masha.
He had some siblings:
sister Zelenka (Zelionka) Esther,1910
sister Leah Miller,1913
brother Felix-Feivel Lindenfeld1903, who might have lived in France
and maybe another one named Dvora.

I really hope that somebody could help me, it is so important for me and
my family.

Best regards,
Luc Teerlinck
Grez-Doiceau
Belgium


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Lindenfeld #general

Luc Teerlinck <luc.teerlinck@...>
 

Hello,
I am looking for my grand-father for now a few month ago.
You will find herewith some details about him:
Name: Chaim Joseph LINDENFELD
Date of birth: 6 july 1916
Place of birth: Warzaw in Poland
Name of his father: Abram Lindenfeld
Name of his mother: Chiffra WARTMAN

He arrived in Belgium in 1946 (>from Buchenwald) and was expulsed from
Belgium in june or july 1949. Then he arrived in Israel in approximetly
august 1949 and left Israel in 1972.
I know also that he married in Israel a lady called Masha.
He had some siblings:
sister Zelenka (Zelionka) Esther,1910
sister Leah Miller,1913
brother Felix-Feivel Lindenfeld1903, who might have lived in France
and maybe another one named Dvora.

I really hope that somebody could help me, it is so important for me and
my family.

Best regards,
Luc Teerlinck
Grez-Doiceau
Belgium


BELAIEF in Brooklyn, NY naturalization/ original name? #general

JGyori@...
 

Dear Genners,
I am doing research for my childhood friend and I need some suggestions. I
am trying to discover the original name and town for the BELAIEF family that
lived in Brooklyn, NY >from roughly 1888. They were soda water manufacturers
(the seltzer man!)

What I know:
I have found the family in the all the censuses available. In 1900, the name
was recorded as "BILEJEFF." In 1910, it is recorded as Belaief. In 1920,
BALAND, and in 1930, it is Belaief again.

Morris was born in Russia in roughly 1860. So he was about 28 when he arrived.
He married Naomi KITAJ / KITAM. I found her passenger arrival as Naumi Kitam
on 8 Dec 1890. She was 19 years old and single. She was >from Babrusk, Poland.

They had their first child, Abraham, born on 9 November 1891, so they lost
no time in child-bearing. My guess is that they married in late December 1890
or January/February 1891.
I have found the birth certificates for their first three children -- all
are under the name BELAJEW.

I cannot seem to find a marriage certificate during that time period. I have
been going through the Brooklyn marriage records and I have noticed that the
dates are definitely *not* in order of certificate numbers. People seem to
have gotten married much earlier and at some later date went and recorded the
marriage. (Also, not many Jewish "sounding" names. And the Italians all
recorded in large clumps!) I'll try the index next, but since I don't really know
the groom's last name that's going to be a bit harder. Of course, it is
possible that they were already married in Russia and she just listed herself as
single on the manifest and traveled under her maiden name.

Questions:
Could they have had an arranged marriage? Because of how quickly they
married and had children, that would be my guess. So would that mean that Morris is
likely >from the same town?

What is anyone's best suggestion of what Morris' original name was?

I can't seem to find a record of Morris' naturalization, as that might help
with the originnal name and/or town. By the 1910 Census, he lists that he is
naturalized.
Any ideas on what court?
I will be in New York City next week and was planning on going to the City
Archives and the National Archives office. Any suggestions for plans of attack
from those of you familiar with those offices?
Thanks for all your suggestions and help,
Please respond to jgyori@aol.com
Regards,
Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona

My family - Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN,
SCHONSTEIN, ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger - Maklar,
Kerescsend, Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina.
SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest
HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia


Anyone with Knowledge of Both Hebrew and Aramaic? #general

ron arons
 

I need help in translating a short (1 1/2 page) article. It's in both Hebrew and Aramaic, so I'm told.

Please respond to me privately.

Thanks.

Ron Arons
Oakland, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BELAIEF in Brooklyn, NY naturalization/ original name? #general

JGyori@...
 

Dear Genners,
I am doing research for my childhood friend and I need some suggestions. I
am trying to discover the original name and town for the BELAIEF family that
lived in Brooklyn, NY >from roughly 1888. They were soda water manufacturers
(the seltzer man!)

What I know:
I have found the family in the all the censuses available. In 1900, the name
was recorded as "BILEJEFF." In 1910, it is recorded as Belaief. In 1920,
BALAND, and in 1930, it is Belaief again.

Morris was born in Russia in roughly 1860. So he was about 28 when he arrived.
He married Naomi KITAJ / KITAM. I found her passenger arrival as Naumi Kitam
on 8 Dec 1890. She was 19 years old and single. She was >from Babrusk, Poland.

They had their first child, Abraham, born on 9 November 1891, so they lost
no time in child-bearing. My guess is that they married in late December 1890
or January/February 1891.
I have found the birth certificates for their first three children -- all
are under the name BELAJEW.

I cannot seem to find a marriage certificate during that time period. I have
been going through the Brooklyn marriage records and I have noticed that the
dates are definitely *not* in order of certificate numbers. People seem to
have gotten married much earlier and at some later date went and recorded the
marriage. (Also, not many Jewish "sounding" names. And the Italians all
recorded in large clumps!) I'll try the index next, but since I don't really know
the groom's last name that's going to be a bit harder. Of course, it is
possible that they were already married in Russia and she just listed herself as
single on the manifest and traveled under her maiden name.

Questions:
Could they have had an arranged marriage? Because of how quickly they
married and had children, that would be my guess. So would that mean that Morris is
likely >from the same town?

What is anyone's best suggestion of what Morris' original name was?

I can't seem to find a record of Morris' naturalization, as that might help
with the originnal name and/or town. By the 1910 Census, he lists that he is
naturalized.
Any ideas on what court?
I will be in New York City next week and was planning on going to the City
Archives and the National Archives office. Any suggestions for plans of attack
from those of you familiar with those offices?
Thanks for all your suggestions and help,
Please respond to jgyori@aol.com
Regards,
Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona

My family - Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN,
SCHONSTEIN, ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger - Maklar,
Kerescsend, Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina.
SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest
HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Anyone with Knowledge of Both Hebrew and Aramaic? #general

ron arons
 

I need help in translating a short (1 1/2 page) article. It's in both Hebrew and Aramaic, so I'm told.

Please respond to me privately.

Thanks.

Ron Arons
Oakland, CA


Programs at Queens Library, NYC #general

Anita <anitac47@...>
 

To All:
I am just posting a program that might be of interest to some of the
members. I know nothing more about it then the flyers I receive. If you
would like information you can go to the library's website
http://www.queenslibrary.org It is being held in the Flushing library at
the confluence of Kissena Blvd. and Main St.

Sunday, May 21, 2:PM:
Jews in Shanghai
Presenter: Ralph Hirsch, Director, Council on the Jewish Exile in Shanghai
In this lecutre, Mr. Hirsch will discuss the lesser known part of this
Jewish experience.

Regards,
Anita Citron
Hicksville, NY
Searching: NADWORNY Odessa, everywhere and anywhere
CITRON, Terebesti and Sicul Mare, Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Programs at Queens Library, NYC #general

Anita <anitac47@...>
 

To All:
I am just posting a program that might be of interest to some of the
members. I know nothing more about it then the flyers I receive. If you
would like information you can go to the library's website
http://www.queenslibrary.org It is being held in the Flushing library at
the confluence of Kissena Blvd. and Main St.

Sunday, May 21, 2:PM:
Jews in Shanghai
Presenter: Ralph Hirsch, Director, Council on the Jewish Exile in Shanghai
In this lecutre, Mr. Hirsch will discuss the lesser known part of this
Jewish experience.

Regards,
Anita Citron
Hicksville, NY
Searching: NADWORNY Odessa, everywhere and anywhere
CITRON, Terebesti and Sicul Mare, Romania


Sheifelmann #general

Stephen A. Cohen
 

Does anyone know what the German word Sheifelmann means? If it is not
a word, could it be a first name or surname?

Happy Passover to all,

Steve

PS: I am researching the following families:

Germany: BAUM in Bosen; EISENKRAMER, MARX & LEFEVRE, LEFEBVRE,
LEFEBRE in Rhineland Palatine//GROSS in Mainz//Belarus: BASIST,
BASHIST in Lida Dist; COHEN formerly SHEINHOUS, SHINHAUS,
SHEINHOUSE,SHEINHAUS, SCHEINHAUS,SHEINHUEZ,SCHEINGAUZ,
SHEINHAUZ in Radoshkovichi, Molodechno in the Vilieka Dist//Galicia:
BIRNBAUM,GOLDBERG,LEINKRAM in Krakow;

Searching list truncated at the allowed six lines -- Mod.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sheifelmann #general

Stephen A. Cohen
 

Does anyone know what the German word Sheifelmann means? If it is not
a word, could it be a first name or surname?

Happy Passover to all,

Steve

PS: I am researching the following families:

Germany: BAUM in Bosen; EISENKRAMER, MARX & LEFEVRE, LEFEBVRE,
LEFEBRE in Rhineland Palatine//GROSS in Mainz//Belarus: BASIST,
BASHIST in Lida Dist; COHEN formerly SHEINHOUS, SHINHAUS,
SHEINHOUSE,SHEINHAUS, SCHEINHAUS,SHEINHUEZ,SCHEINGAUZ,
SHEINHAUZ in Radoshkovichi, Molodechno in the Vilieka Dist//Galicia:
BIRNBAUM,GOLDBERG,LEINKRAM in Krakow;

Searching list truncated at the allowed six lines -- Mod.


Re: Stephen Morse's One-Step is Non-Stop #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

In answer to the posting below. I looked at the
manifest, and I can see where someone might confuse
the name on the manifest with sinabab. Maybe it only
looks that way for old people with trifocals, but
people make mistakes and after staring at badly
written names by people for hours, who only try to
match what the people said in their native tongue with
English, it could end up as a best guess.

What I want to say is that I have used commercial
sites available at my local library and at the NARA
for Census reports for a long time. I found that they
are as accurate on indexing as Steve Morse's Site
which is free of charge. And the Census reports were
written by Americans. Also Steve Morse is not just a
name on the site. I contacted the site three times in
the past year when I could not locate who I was
looking for. Twice I was contacted by Steve himself
and helped with the problem. What more can I say.

Sincerely,
Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A.

*** budblaher wrote:

I read all the hurrahs about Stephen Morse's website.
I first tried the EIDB. I input my cousin's name,
Michal" and surname. Result: no such name on the
list. I tried the Morse one-step with the same
results. I then insert only the last name, "Luft", in
the EIDB. Up came over 200 names. One of the names
intrigued me, "Sinabab", because it had the right
shtetl, Janowa, and age 2. I then searched for the
manifest. Lo and behold, the manifest showed this 2
year old with his mother Freda, brother Harry, and
uncle Mendel, all of whom I am quite familiar with.
Looking at the handwriting, it certainly was spelled
"Michal". My question is how did the EIDB come up
with Sinabab. And how did the meticulous Morse crew
manage to overlook this one?


Interpreting US Navy service record #general

Mimi Katz <GeveretKatz@...>
 

Do we have a US Navy person in our group who might be able to interpret what
the following service record means? I would like to know what "Landsman for
Machinist's Mate (Aviation)" means, and also "Lack of funds". Whose? His
or the Navy's? This record is an extract >from "Ohio Military Men,
1917-1918". How can I get the actual military record >from the Navy? What
family information might be contained in it?

Enlistment Division: United States Navy Reserve Forces

Naval Training Station Great Lakes Ill: 7 June 1918 to 11 Nov 1918.
Landsman for Machinist's Mate (Aviation) 158 days.
Released 20 Dec 1918.
Honorable discharge 30 Sept 1921. Lack of funds.
Naval Training Station Great Lakes Ill.
Landsman for Machinist's Mate (Aviation)
Called to active duty 7 June 1918.

Please reply privately.
Mimi Katz, Chicago


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stephen Morse's One-Step is Non-Stop #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

In answer to the posting below. I looked at the
manifest, and I can see where someone might confuse
the name on the manifest with sinabab. Maybe it only
looks that way for old people with trifocals, but
people make mistakes and after staring at badly
written names by people for hours, who only try to
match what the people said in their native tongue with
English, it could end up as a best guess.

What I want to say is that I have used commercial
sites available at my local library and at the NARA
for Census reports for a long time. I found that they
are as accurate on indexing as Steve Morse's Site
which is free of charge. And the Census reports were
written by Americans. Also Steve Morse is not just a
name on the site. I contacted the site three times in
the past year when I could not locate who I was
looking for. Twice I was contacted by Steve himself
and helped with the problem. What more can I say.

Sincerely,
Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A.

*** budblaher wrote:

I read all the hurrahs about Stephen Morse's website.
I first tried the EIDB. I input my cousin's name,
Michal" and surname. Result: no such name on the
list. I tried the Morse one-step with the same
results. I then insert only the last name, "Luft", in
the EIDB. Up came over 200 names. One of the names
intrigued me, "Sinabab", because it had the right
shtetl, Janowa, and age 2. I then searched for the
manifest. Lo and behold, the manifest showed this 2
year old with his mother Freda, brother Harry, and
uncle Mendel, all of whom I am quite familiar with.
Looking at the handwriting, it certainly was spelled
"Michal". My question is how did the EIDB come up
with Sinabab. And how did the meticulous Morse crew
manage to overlook this one?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Interpreting US Navy service record #general

Mimi Katz <GeveretKatz@...>
 

Do we have a US Navy person in our group who might be able to interpret what
the following service record means? I would like to know what "Landsman for
Machinist's Mate (Aviation)" means, and also "Lack of funds". Whose? His
or the Navy's? This record is an extract >from "Ohio Military Men,
1917-1918". How can I get the actual military record >from the Navy? What
family information might be contained in it?

Enlistment Division: United States Navy Reserve Forces

Naval Training Station Great Lakes Ill: 7 June 1918 to 11 Nov 1918.
Landsman for Machinist's Mate (Aviation) 158 days.
Released 20 Dec 1918.
Honorable discharge 30 Sept 1921. Lack of funds.
Naval Training Station Great Lakes Ill.
Landsman for Machinist's Mate (Aviation)
Called to active duty 7 June 1918.

Please reply privately.
Mimi Katz, Chicago