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malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

The name CHUTS was applied to Jews >from mostly
Amsterdam that settled in the Tenterground Area of
Spitalfields,It is most likely >from the Hebrew meaning
outside or streets,Prounounced at the begining as you
would say the end of Loch in Scotland.
If you left Amsterdam to go abroad it was known as
going Chuts(going outside),Within the Tenterground
area many people were street vendors outside in the
streets.
There was a kids saying in this area,A Chut will beat
a Sephard and 2 Polaks,Something along those
lines,There was no love lost between the
Sephardi,Ashkanasi Dutch and East european later
settlers.The Chuts were very insular and different in
food,speach even there Yiddish was differnt,They were
just as poor but came >from a background mostly of
freedom and toleration dreamed of by the new
easterners.In short they were proud Dutchman and
economic migrants rather the political/religious
migrants,Within time they melted into the mass mix via
marriage as most immigrants do,The tenterground has
gone all that remains are some very Dutch sounding
names.
Kind regards
Malki Katz


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom CHUTS #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

The name CHUTS was applied to Jews >from mostly
Amsterdam that settled in the Tenterground Area of
Spitalfields,It is most likely >from the Hebrew meaning
outside or streets,Prounounced at the begining as you
would say the end of Loch in Scotland.
If you left Amsterdam to go abroad it was known as
going Chuts(going outside),Within the Tenterground
area many people were street vendors outside in the
streets.
There was a kids saying in this area,A Chut will beat
a Sephard and 2 Polaks,Something along those
lines,There was no love lost between the
Sephardi,Ashkanasi Dutch and East european later
settlers.The Chuts were very insular and different in
food,speach even there Yiddish was differnt,They were
just as poor but came >from a background mostly of
freedom and toleration dreamed of by the new
easterners.In short they were proud Dutchman and
economic migrants rather the political/religious
migrants,Within time they melted into the mass mix via
marriage as most immigrants do,The tenterground has
gone all that remains are some very Dutch sounding
names.
Kind regards
Malki Katz


Dutch Jews #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

I usually agree with Aubrey in every way and learn
more about the Dutch community >from him then anyone
else,And totally agree with the comment about the
war. I do not agree with the myth of the Dutch being
the jews saviours, a few days strike does not save a people and
they may paint a picture of stoic resistence but we
know different,And i cant dispute the figures or
observation that they had the highest non survival
rate in western Europe i believe.
I look at my other half of the family and see Sobibor
and Auschwitz non stop.
But of the London Dutch they were very proud of where
they came >from and yes they may have been socialy
deprived as Jews,But what Jew wasnt at that
period,London was no better unless you had 'gelt'.
The East and Netherlands cannot be compared in hatred
and violence at that time.
Yes the 'Chuts' may have come to live a better life
socialy but i believe for economic reasons on this we
differ,Later on nowhere was safe even Denmark thats a
whole different time.
I dont think a country where the water was cut off to
your area at weekends which was a TB ridden slum,In a
country where you couldnt get into many institutions
because of your religion was much better,Correct me if
im wrong did not Holland allow its Jews to be citizens
before Britain.
On this we differ.
Kind regards
Malki Katz


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Dutch Jews #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

I usually agree with Aubrey in every way and learn
more about the Dutch community >from him then anyone
else,And totally agree with the comment about the
war. I do not agree with the myth of the Dutch being
the jews saviours, a few days strike does not save a people and
they may paint a picture of stoic resistence but we
know different,And i cant dispute the figures or
observation that they had the highest non survival
rate in western Europe i believe.
I look at my other half of the family and see Sobibor
and Auschwitz non stop.
But of the London Dutch they were very proud of where
they came >from and yes they may have been socialy
deprived as Jews,But what Jew wasnt at that
period,London was no better unless you had 'gelt'.
The East and Netherlands cannot be compared in hatred
and violence at that time.
Yes the 'Chuts' may have come to live a better life
socialy but i believe for economic reasons on this we
differ,Later on nowhere was safe even Denmark thats a
whole different time.
I dont think a country where the water was cut off to
your area at weekends which was a TB ridden slum,In a
country where you couldnt get into many institutions
because of your religion was much better,Correct me if
im wrong did not Holland allow its Jews to be citizens
before Britain.
On this we differ.
Kind regards
Malki Katz


Re: CHUTS #unitedkingdom

Aubrey Jacobus <zen28027@...>
 

malcolm katz wrote:
They were just as poor but came >from a background mostly of
freedom and toleration dreamed of by the new
easterners.
Sorry to totally disallusion everyone ....
- read "Emancipation and Poverty " - The Ashkenazi Jews of Amstersdam
1796-1850
by Karina Sonnenberg- Stern result of PhD research
She used Dutch documents >from the period to show that although
emanicated
by Napoleon as were European Jews generally they alone failed to
improve their economic and
social position because of a refusal to integrate and a stubborn
resistance to accept them in Dutch society
generally not because of antisemitism but because of their poverty
and contiued foreigness.
King William was anxious to have Jews integrate but was frustrated
in his aim at every turn.
The Jewish community in Amsterdam 1800-1850 received far less
subsidy >from the State than other minority groups
and they were barred >from the guilds for fear of the competition
they might offer.and were descriminated
against in many ways - eg State schools.
Consequently they arrived here illiterate and without trades many
enticed here by Jewish UK tobacco manufaturers
in order to break strikes and force down wages.

Although as anywhere there were heroic anti nazis in Holland - they
had a large Nazi party in 1939 and
Dutch units in Hitlers army in Russia.
One may also ponder why 100 years later - Holland lost 75+ % of its
Jews compared with 44% in Belgium
and 0% in Denmark - by far the highest lost in Western Europe.

Aubrey Jacobus


Re: The demise of Judeo-German in the English Haggadah #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/19/2006 8:51:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
noahsark@isdn.net.il writes:

<< All the customs were Ashkenazi except for the singing
of two of the songs at Leil Seder in the language described in Mr Bernet's
message as Juedisch-Deutsch (Judaeo-German), termed "Western Yiddish" by
scholars, printed in my grand father's (Deyong) Haggadah published by
D.Cohen 256 Whitechapel Road in 5656 (1896) and one printed in 5643 (1883)
by Ann Abrahams & Son in commercial Street. It also appears in one printed
by P. Valentine in 6638 (1878) by Rev. A.P. Mendes.

<< However an edition published in London in 1897 with revision of the
Hebrew
Text according to a MS written in the year A.M. 5574 by the celebrated
Grammarian Rabbi Shabsi Sofer of Przemslow also a valuable commentary copied
from a MS. Of the well known Rabbi Jonathan Eybeshuetz, both of which
manuscripts belong to the Beth Hamedrash of the United Synagogue
published by Jacob Dickinson of 5 Sandys Row does not include the
Judaeo-German versions. Presumably the Anglo Jewry of the United Synagogue
did not care to recognize them?!

==Leaving aside 12390, British Jewry went through a number of traumas. The
proud and distinguished Spanish-Portuguese Jewry held unique prominence in
England for barely twenty five years before the Ashkenazi interlopers
established their own congregation and eventually achieved prominence in numbers, and
parity on the stock exchange and under the ermine of Lords Mayor of London.

==The United Synagogue was established by these Ashkenazim--mostly of German
origin by now) and adopted their ritual, order of prayers, pronunciation
(and wait between meat and milk). British Jews out-emulated British Gentiles in
their endeavors to be unquestionably British, and eschewed the old
Judaeo-German even in the Echad-mi-Yode`a and Chad Gadya songs of the Haggadah.
Educated Jews in Germany had started giving it up as they rose socially in
German, dismissing it as "das Dschargon [the Jargon]"

==When masses of poor "real-Yiddish"-speaking Jews arrived in England >from
Eastern Europe in the last two decades of the 19th century, the established
British Jewish community saw them--as the 1656 Sephardim had viewed the 1690
Ashkenazim--as a threat to their own social and economic status. Printing
Judaeo-German (or Western Yiddish if you wish) translations of Haggadah songs
was no longer relevant; replacing them with the unschooled language of the East
European refugees was unthinkable.

==Of course the East Europeans established their own community organization,
the Federation, and for all I know, they soon published a hagaddah with much
Eastern style Yiddish in it--.

Michael Bernet, New York


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: CHUTS #unitedkingdom

Aubrey Jacobus <zen28027@...>
 

malcolm katz wrote:
They were just as poor but came >from a background mostly of
freedom and toleration dreamed of by the new
easterners.
Sorry to totally disallusion everyone ....
- read "Emancipation and Poverty " - The Ashkenazi Jews of Amstersdam
1796-1850
by Karina Sonnenberg- Stern result of PhD research
She used Dutch documents >from the period to show that although
emanicated
by Napoleon as were European Jews generally they alone failed to
improve their economic and
social position because of a refusal to integrate and a stubborn
resistance to accept them in Dutch society
generally not because of antisemitism but because of their poverty
and contiued foreigness.
King William was anxious to have Jews integrate but was frustrated
in his aim at every turn.
The Jewish community in Amsterdam 1800-1850 received far less
subsidy >from the State than other minority groups
and they were barred >from the guilds for fear of the competition
they might offer.and were descriminated
against in many ways - eg State schools.
Consequently they arrived here illiterate and without trades many
enticed here by Jewish UK tobacco manufaturers
in order to break strikes and force down wages.

Although as anywhere there were heroic anti nazis in Holland - they
had a large Nazi party in 1939 and
Dutch units in Hitlers army in Russia.
One may also ponder why 100 years later - Holland lost 75+ % of its
Jews compared with 44% in Belgium
and 0% in Denmark - by far the highest lost in Western Europe.

Aubrey Jacobus


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: The demise of Judeo-German in the English Haggadah #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/19/2006 8:51:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
noahsark@isdn.net.il writes:

<< All the customs were Ashkenazi except for the singing
of two of the songs at Leil Seder in the language described in Mr Bernet's
message as Juedisch-Deutsch (Judaeo-German), termed "Western Yiddish" by
scholars, printed in my grand father's (Deyong) Haggadah published by
D.Cohen 256 Whitechapel Road in 5656 (1896) and one printed in 5643 (1883)
by Ann Abrahams & Son in commercial Street. It also appears in one printed
by P. Valentine in 6638 (1878) by Rev. A.P. Mendes.

<< However an edition published in London in 1897 with revision of the
Hebrew
Text according to a MS written in the year A.M. 5574 by the celebrated
Grammarian Rabbi Shabsi Sofer of Przemslow also a valuable commentary copied
from a MS. Of the well known Rabbi Jonathan Eybeshuetz, both of which
manuscripts belong to the Beth Hamedrash of the United Synagogue
published by Jacob Dickinson of 5 Sandys Row does not include the
Judaeo-German versions. Presumably the Anglo Jewry of the United Synagogue
did not care to recognize them?!

==Leaving aside 12390, British Jewry went through a number of traumas. The
proud and distinguished Spanish-Portuguese Jewry held unique prominence in
England for barely twenty five years before the Ashkenazi interlopers
established their own congregation and eventually achieved prominence in numbers, and
parity on the stock exchange and under the ermine of Lords Mayor of London.

==The United Synagogue was established by these Ashkenazim--mostly of German
origin by now) and adopted their ritual, order of prayers, pronunciation
(and wait between meat and milk). British Jews out-emulated British Gentiles in
their endeavors to be unquestionably British, and eschewed the old
Judaeo-German even in the Echad-mi-Yode`a and Chad Gadya songs of the Haggadah.
Educated Jews in Germany had started giving it up as they rose socially in
German, dismissing it as "das Dschargon [the Jargon]"

==When masses of poor "real-Yiddish"-speaking Jews arrived in England >from
Eastern Europe in the last two decades of the 19th century, the established
British Jewish community saw them--as the 1656 Sephardim had viewed the 1690
Ashkenazim--as a threat to their own social and economic status. Printing
Judaeo-German (or Western Yiddish if you wish) translations of Haggadah songs
was no longer relevant; replacing them with the unschooled language of the East
European refugees was unthinkable.

==Of course the East Europeans established their own community organization,
the Federation, and for all I know, they soon published a hagaddah with much
Eastern style Yiddish in it--.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Milk, meat, and the pause between #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/19/2006 10:01:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
anita.benson@virgin.net writes:

< The different customs of waiting between eating meaty foods and milky is
an
interesting one. I remember going to a series of lectures on Kashrut issues
and this very same question came up, the Rabbi suggested that English,
perhaps German & Dutch Jews might have traditionally had a milk based drink
at 11 the term elevenses and the English Jews would have certainly adopted
the English custom of afternoon tea at 4 taken with milk. >

==I think the custom goes back to many centuries before Englishmen poured
milk into their tea.

==the explanation I learned >from a rabbi in a series of lectures on Kashrut
was that meat e(even fowl) was a great luxury in Eastern Europe and usually
eaten only on Shabbat or festivals; but it was much more affordable in
Germanic countries, while the Dutch could afford it just whenever. Where meat was
a once-a-week affair, people could wait patiently for six hours to taste
milk; where it was enjoyed frequently, there was more of an inclination to
shorten the wait.

==The one-hour Dutch-Ashkenazi wait was almost certainly related to the
Sephardi halakha which required only a separation between meat and milk meals,
wwhich is the basic halakha in the matter as discussed in the Talmud which did
not impose a set wait; the suggested waiting time was propounded by
Ashkenazi rabbis in the respective regions, no doubt influenced both by the eating
customs of their Jews and their own views on how strict and demanding their
Jews expected their rabbis to be.

==Local custom played a part. In Germany it was customary among Jews and
gentiles to eat the main meal at noon.

==In the old days, milk was drunk by infants, children, nursing mothers and
the feeble. It was more commonly consumed as butter or cheese, and was
incorporated into meals. Drinking milk in tea or in coffee did not become common
until the twentieth century. Elevenses and afternoon tea would not have
influenced the waiting period in Vienna or Frankfurt. In any event, Jews variously
set no waiting period between milk and meat or limited it to half an hour or
an hour. Putting hypothetical milk into their hypothetical elevenses tea
would have no effect, therefore, on any meat consumed at the noon-time main meal.

Shabbat Shalom

Michael Bernet, New York


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Milk, meat, and the pause between #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/19/2006 10:01:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
anita.benson@virgin.net writes:

< The different customs of waiting between eating meaty foods and milky is
an
interesting one. I remember going to a series of lectures on Kashrut issues
and this very same question came up, the Rabbi suggested that English,
perhaps German & Dutch Jews might have traditionally had a milk based drink
at 11 the term elevenses and the English Jews would have certainly adopted
the English custom of afternoon tea at 4 taken with milk. >

==I think the custom goes back to many centuries before Englishmen poured
milk into their tea.

==the explanation I learned >from a rabbi in a series of lectures on Kashrut
was that meat e(even fowl) was a great luxury in Eastern Europe and usually
eaten only on Shabbat or festivals; but it was much more affordable in
Germanic countries, while the Dutch could afford it just whenever. Where meat was
a once-a-week affair, people could wait patiently for six hours to taste
milk; where it was enjoyed frequently, there was more of an inclination to
shorten the wait.

==The one-hour Dutch-Ashkenazi wait was almost certainly related to the
Sephardi halakha which required only a separation between meat and milk meals,
wwhich is the basic halakha in the matter as discussed in the Talmud which did
not impose a set wait; the suggested waiting time was propounded by
Ashkenazi rabbis in the respective regions, no doubt influenced both by the eating
customs of their Jews and their own views on how strict and demanding their
Jews expected their rabbis to be.

==Local custom played a part. In Germany it was customary among Jews and
gentiles to eat the main meal at noon.

==In the old days, milk was drunk by infants, children, nursing mothers and
the feeble. It was more commonly consumed as butter or cheese, and was
incorporated into meals. Drinking milk in tea or in coffee did not become common
until the twentieth century. Elevenses and afternoon tea would not have
influenced the waiting period in Vienna or Frankfurt. In any event, Jews variously
set no waiting period between milk and meat or limited it to half an hour or
an hour. Putting hypothetical milk into their hypothetical elevenses tea
would have no effect, therefore, on any meat consumed at the noon-time main meal.

Shabbat Shalom

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Dutch Jewish Cooking #unitedkingdom

Jocelyn Keene
 

I've been following the cooking thread with interest because some of
the dishes mentioned were ones that my mother-in-law, Iris, used to
cook. I distinctly remember that her favorite dish was chicken and
meatballs (beef) with egg and lemon sauce and I tried to get the
recipe >from her but she didn't use recipes. I tried to watch her and
write down the steps but that was a failure because she didn't
measure things either. After reading the emails this morning, I
mentioned this dish to my husband and he immediately said that it
wasn't chicken and meatballs with egg and lemon but whitefish with
egg and lemon. Would someone please be kind enough to send me
privately the recipe for fish in egg and lemon sauce and has anyone
else ever heard of chicken and meatballs in egg & lemon? To my mind
it is a truly odd combination! And is it the consensus that fish in
egg-lemon sauce is a Dutch Jewish dish? I haven't identified any
Dutch Jews in my mother-in-laws line at all. There was one Sephardic
family that might have come through the Netherlands, I suppose, but,
on Benjamin Levy's (Iris's G-grandfather) naturalization papers in
1866 he said he came >from Fraustadt, Posen (now Wschowa, Poland), not
the Netherlands. Anyway, I'd like to try the fish (or chicken) in egg-
lemon sauce.
Best wishes,
Jocelyn Keene
Pasadena, CA


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Dutch Jewish Cooking #unitedkingdom

Jocelyn Keene
 

I've been following the cooking thread with interest because some of
the dishes mentioned were ones that my mother-in-law, Iris, used to
cook. I distinctly remember that her favorite dish was chicken and
meatballs (beef) with egg and lemon sauce and I tried to get the
recipe >from her but she didn't use recipes. I tried to watch her and
write down the steps but that was a failure because she didn't
measure things either. After reading the emails this morning, I
mentioned this dish to my husband and he immediately said that it
wasn't chicken and meatballs with egg and lemon but whitefish with
egg and lemon. Would someone please be kind enough to send me
privately the recipe for fish in egg and lemon sauce and has anyone
else ever heard of chicken and meatballs in egg & lemon? To my mind
it is a truly odd combination! And is it the consensus that fish in
egg-lemon sauce is a Dutch Jewish dish? I haven't identified any
Dutch Jews in my mother-in-laws line at all. There was one Sephardic
family that might have come through the Netherlands, I suppose, but,
on Benjamin Levy's (Iris's G-grandfather) naturalization papers in
1866 he said he came >from Fraustadt, Posen (now Wschowa, Poland), not
the Netherlands. Anyway, I'd like to try the fish (or chicken) in egg-
lemon sauce.
Best wishes,
Jocelyn Keene
Pasadena, CA


Re: How do I trace a criminal? #general

hoibie@...
 

I found information about a relative by searching the NY Times index. This
would lead you to a story in the newspaper. This would work especially if
the crime or sentencing happened in or near NYC or he was a well known
person.

--
Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How do I trace a criminal? #general

hoibie@...
 

I found information about a relative by searching the NY Times index. This
would lead you to a story in the newspaper. This would work especially if
the crime or sentencing happened in or near NYC or he was a well known
person.

--
Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO


Yad Vashem search suggestions #general

Zev Griner <zgriner@...>
 

The Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony (PoT) database is a marvel of
automated handwriting recognition. Unfortunately, it is my guess that
it is only 80%-90% correct.

Here are some search suggestions to help you better your odds:
- The early PoTs were written in Hebrew. Get someone who can read or,
at least, pick out written Hebrew letters to help you. The handwritten
letters are, many times, written in a script-like or very stylized
fashion. This makes the computer read it wrong or give up. If you just
read the English translation/transliteration, you would never know
this.
- Here is a list of some letter combinations that can get visually
substituted for each other. Search for these sound combinations:
zayin (z), daled (d), tzadi (ts, tz)
pey (p, f), hey (h), raish (r)
aleph (a), double-vav (v)
vav (v), yod (y, i)
kuf (k), final-nun (n)
bet (b, v), chof (ch, k)
hey (h), chet (ch)
mem( m), double-vav (v)
lamed (l), final tzadi (ts, tz), final pey (p, f)
- Use the Advanced Search page to help you do search using multiple
fields. Searching by spouse, parent or submitter is very useful.
- Never use Exact search unless you have seen the exact spelling.
- Do not search by Place, unless you use a district name or the Fuzzy
search. I have a relative with 5 different PoTs saying he lived and
died in 5 different places. Places were spelled in the PoT phonetically
making it hard for the computer to figure out what the correct name or
intended spelling is.
- Do not rely on the "Related Searches" by Submitter. While it may
give you a quick start, the submitter's name may have been misread or
associated with someone else with a similar name. I have a submitter
with 6 variations on the name - different first names, initials, and
last names - all the same person.
- Try searching for a submitter using an initial, keeping in mind that
some initials are easily misread.
- Use what I call the submission number to help you group submitted
PoTs as well as identify unknown or missing PoTs. This is the number
that may appear in the top left corner of the early PoTs. While it is
not documented, I see it on many PoTs. It has the form of NNNN/nn. The
NNNN can be 4-6 digits long and is fixed for a set of submitted PoTs.
The nn is a sequence number, usually a number >from 1-nn, but is
occasionally a Hebrew number: aleph, bet, gimel, daled. This submission
number does not guarantee a unique submitter. I have a set of PoTs
submitted together by a husband and wife under the same basic number.

Please let me know privately if you have any other suggestions and I
will collect them into a FAQ.

Zev Griner
GRINER,PANCER,BAUM/BOIM,GOLDMAN,HOROWITZ,LEIZER/LAZER,ZAJDEL,SAVARICK,LAPERDON


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yad Vashem search suggestions #general

Zev Griner <zgriner@...>
 

The Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony (PoT) database is a marvel of
automated handwriting recognition. Unfortunately, it is my guess that
it is only 80%-90% correct.

Here are some search suggestions to help you better your odds:
- The early PoTs were written in Hebrew. Get someone who can read or,
at least, pick out written Hebrew letters to help you. The handwritten
letters are, many times, written in a script-like or very stylized
fashion. This makes the computer read it wrong or give up. If you just
read the English translation/transliteration, you would never know
this.
- Here is a list of some letter combinations that can get visually
substituted for each other. Search for these sound combinations:
zayin (z), daled (d), tzadi (ts, tz)
pey (p, f), hey (h), raish (r)
aleph (a), double-vav (v)
vav (v), yod (y, i)
kuf (k), final-nun (n)
bet (b, v), chof (ch, k)
hey (h), chet (ch)
mem( m), double-vav (v)
lamed (l), final tzadi (ts, tz), final pey (p, f)
- Use the Advanced Search page to help you do search using multiple
fields. Searching by spouse, parent or submitter is very useful.
- Never use Exact search unless you have seen the exact spelling.
- Do not search by Place, unless you use a district name or the Fuzzy
search. I have a relative with 5 different PoTs saying he lived and
died in 5 different places. Places were spelled in the PoT phonetically
making it hard for the computer to figure out what the correct name or
intended spelling is.
- Do not rely on the "Related Searches" by Submitter. While it may
give you a quick start, the submitter's name may have been misread or
associated with someone else with a similar name. I have a submitter
with 6 variations on the name - different first names, initials, and
last names - all the same person.
- Try searching for a submitter using an initial, keeping in mind that
some initials are easily misread.
- Use what I call the submission number to help you group submitted
PoTs as well as identify unknown or missing PoTs. This is the number
that may appear in the top left corner of the early PoTs. While it is
not documented, I see it on many PoTs. It has the form of NNNN/nn. The
NNNN can be 4-6 digits long and is fixed for a set of submitted PoTs.
The nn is a sequence number, usually a number >from 1-nn, but is
occasionally a Hebrew number: aleph, bet, gimel, daled. This submission
number does not guarantee a unique submitter. I have a set of PoTs
submitted together by a husband and wife under the same basic number.

Please let me know privately if you have any other suggestions and I
will collect them into a FAQ.

Zev Griner
GRINER,PANCER,BAUM/BOIM,GOLDMAN,HOROWITZ,LEIZER/LAZER,ZAJDEL,SAVARICK,LAPERDON


Antwerp City Archives #general

hennynow
 

Hi, Ginger,

I heaved a sigh when I read your message. The City Archives of Antwerp used
to be located on Venusstraat in the city. I consulted them in person in
November 2000, during a short visit to my native town. Of course, I am
fluent in French and Flemish because I was born there in 1923 and didn't
leave until May 1940, when the Germans invaded the country. The police
records are excellent sources of comings and goings of foreigners and were
readily available to visiting researchers. I have never been able to obtain
information via e-mail >from the Archives. Perhaps you'll have better luck.
See http://www.felixarchief.be/

The Flemings ruling the northern part of the country are mulish (my opinion)
about conversing in other languages. Perhaps they'll accommodate you now.
Anyway, the Archive building on Venusstraat (near the harbor in the old part
of town) closed as of 1 May 2006, because the archives are being moved to
another location, which won't be open until 1 October 2006.

Good luck.

Henny

Henriette Moed Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net

MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in Flemish only.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Antwerp City Archives #general

hennynow
 

Hi, Ginger,

I heaved a sigh when I read your message. The City Archives of Antwerp used
to be located on Venusstraat in the city. I consulted them in person in
November 2000, during a short visit to my native town. Of course, I am
fluent in French and Flemish because I was born there in 1923 and didn't
leave until May 1940, when the Germans invaded the country. The police
records are excellent sources of comings and goings of foreigners and were
readily available to visiting researchers. I have never been able to obtain
information via e-mail >from the Archives. Perhaps you'll have better luck.
See http://www.felixarchief.be/

The Flemings ruling the northern part of the country are mulish (my opinion)
about conversing in other languages. Perhaps they'll accommodate you now.
Anyway, the Archive building on Venusstraat (near the harbor in the old part
of town) closed as of 1 May 2006, because the archives are being moved to
another location, which won't be open until 1 October 2006.

Good luck.

Henny

Henriette Moed Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net

MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in Flemish only.


NYC film look-up offers #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

Dear all,
These films will be returned on June 6th. If you would like a look-up,
please email me privately with the information.

FHL# 1322339: Manhattan 1896 birth certificates #34101-37004

[please request by ***certificate number*** as this is *not* a name index]

FHL# 1953369: Manhattan 1898 birth certificates #45001-48000
[please request by ***certificate number*** as this is *not* a name index]

FHL# 1324926: NYC death certificate NAME INDEX, All boroughs 1952-1956

FHL# 2069384: Brooklyn 16 Feb-6 Mar 1931 death certificates #4680-6150

[please request by ***certificate number*** as this is *not* a name index]

Shelly Weiner
Henderson NV

BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF--Walkowisko, Poland to Detroit MI
FELDMAN (Hungary) to New Brunswick NJ & Detroit MI
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH--Ostov, Russia to Detroit MI
RHYZI/ROSSEN--Vladimerets OR Stahovka,Ukraine to Detroit,MI
SMOLER/SMOLYAR/SMOLAR--Vladimerets Ukraine to Detroit MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC film look-up offers #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

Dear all,
These films will be returned on June 6th. If you would like a look-up,
please email me privately with the information.

FHL# 1322339: Manhattan 1896 birth certificates #34101-37004

[please request by ***certificate number*** as this is *not* a name index]

FHL# 1953369: Manhattan 1898 birth certificates #45001-48000
[please request by ***certificate number*** as this is *not* a name index]

FHL# 1324926: NYC death certificate NAME INDEX, All boroughs 1952-1956

FHL# 2069384: Brooklyn 16 Feb-6 Mar 1931 death certificates #4680-6150

[please request by ***certificate number*** as this is *not* a name index]

Shelly Weiner
Henderson NV

BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF--Walkowisko, Poland to Detroit MI
FELDMAN (Hungary) to New Brunswick NJ & Detroit MI
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH--Ostov, Russia to Detroit MI
RHYZI/ROSSEN--Vladimerets OR Stahovka,Ukraine to Detroit,MI
SMOLER/SMOLYAR/SMOLAR--Vladimerets Ukraine to Detroit MI