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researching Walter BRYK #austria-czech

Oliver Bryk <oliverbryk@...>
 

I am researching my relative Walter BRYK, b. 22 Jan 1882 in Vienna, d. 1930
in Vienna, and his wife Leopoldine nee LANK. According to undocumented
family lore Walter was a banker and allegedly counted the King of Yugoslavia
among his clients (if true that would have been Alexander I who was
assassinated in Marseille in 1934.) Walter's twin brother was the
anthropologist, lepidopterist, and biographer of Linne', Dr. Felix Bryk.
I will be grateful for any leads regarding Walter, his wife, and/or their
descendants.

Oliver Bryk, San Francisco, California


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech researching Walter BRYK #austria-czech

Oliver Bryk <oliverbryk@...>
 

I am researching my relative Walter BRYK, b. 22 Jan 1882 in Vienna, d. 1930
in Vienna, and his wife Leopoldine nee LANK. According to undocumented
family lore Walter was a banker and allegedly counted the King of Yugoslavia
among his clients (if true that would have been Alexander I who was
assassinated in Marseille in 1934.) Walter's twin brother was the
anthropologist, lepidopterist, and biographer of Linne', Dr. Felix Bryk.
I will be grateful for any leads regarding Walter, his wife, and/or their
descendants.

Oliver Bryk, San Francisco, California


Rare given name Eliezer LIEBER / LIBER #general

Yossi Mund <pymund@...>
 

One of my ancestors had the rare name combination "Eliezer Lieber".
This is an ancient, but rare, combination - Lieber is one of many
varieties of nicknames of Eliezer, such as Lipa, Lipman, Lieberman,
etc. meaning "beloved". (These can be found in the "Seder HaShemot",
printed in some editions of the "Shulchan Aruch" with section "Even
HaEzer".) I have never come across anyone else with this particular
variation. I suppose that anyone with the same name in his area is
likely related to him. He lived in the Lviv (Lwow/Lvov/Lemberg) area of
Galicia (now Ukraine). He probably was named after an ancestor with
surname WITLIN or WITTLIN. Any one know someone else with this given name?

P. Y. Mund
pymund@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rare given name Eliezer LIEBER / LIBER #general

Yossi Mund <pymund@...>
 

One of my ancestors had the rare name combination "Eliezer Lieber".
This is an ancient, but rare, combination - Lieber is one of many
varieties of nicknames of Eliezer, such as Lipa, Lipman, Lieberman,
etc. meaning "beloved". (These can be found in the "Seder HaShemot",
printed in some editions of the "Shulchan Aruch" with section "Even
HaEzer".) I have never come across anyone else with this particular
variation. I suppose that anyone with the same name in his area is
likely related to him. He lived in the Lviv (Lwow/Lvov/Lemberg) area of
Galicia (now Ukraine). He probably was named after an ancestor with
surname WITLIN or WITTLIN. Any one know someone else with this given name?

P. Y. Mund
pymund@yahoo.com


Looking for the PURS web site #general

Karen Zale
 

One more time I need the help of the group. I have used the PURS (Pruzhany
Uyezed Research Society) web site with so much information about Shereshov.
When I typed in their address http://www.purs.org I now got InsuranceQuote.net.
Does anyone know their new address? Thank you for your help.
Karen Zale
Plano, TX
GREENBERG - Pultusk, Wyszkow; KAPLAN - Chernigov; EHRENFREUND, KELLERMAN - Tarnow
REITMAN, ZALEFSKY - Shereshevo; FINKELSTEIN - Shchedrin;
SORKIN - Kapustino, Rogachev


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for the PURS web site #general

Karen Zale
 

One more time I need the help of the group. I have used the PURS (Pruzhany
Uyezed Research Society) web site with so much information about Shereshov.
When I typed in their address http://www.purs.org I now got InsuranceQuote.net.
Does anyone know their new address? Thank you for your help.
Karen Zale
Plano, TX
GREENBERG - Pultusk, Wyszkow; KAPLAN - Chernigov; EHRENFREUND, KELLERMAN - Tarnow
REITMAN, ZALEFSKY - Shereshevo; FINKELSTEIN - Shchedrin;
SORKIN - Kapustino, Rogachev


What to do if there are no census records nor City DIrectories. #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Genners,

After posting my note about City Directories, I received an inquiry >from a
well known Jewish researcher asking what resources might be available if the
researcher could not find a census record or if no City Directory was yet
available.

So I made a list of these:

The first is that for the 2000 Summer Seminar, Hal Bookbinder and Joan
Rimmon made up a list of over 800 Community Jewish History Books, arranged
by State and Community. This listing was transferred over to the IAJGS and
is now available on line at the IAJGS site-www.iajgs.org. On their home page,
click on Resources, and North American Community Books and then the state.

Hal and Joan have added several books to the original list. You can search
for the books in State and large Public and College libraries and they might
be available on inter-library loan and almost always available at the
Library of Congress (LOC)

Another suggestion is to call the local public library and ask the reference
librarian for help. Most communities have a community historian to keep such
information. Ask the librarian for his name. Also ask for the name of the
local historical society and sent them the inquiry. If there is a local
Jewish Genealogical Society, send them the inquiry. Maybe a local
researcher will have an answer. The addresses of all of the JGS's are at
the IAJGS site given above.

If the person had an occupation for which he had to have a license, locate
these lists and send a request
If there was a local newspaper, they probably have a morgue arranged
alphabetically and they might search it for you or the local Public Library
might keep the newspaper morgue. If the kids were of school age there might
be records at the local B. of Ed or these records might be removed to some
storage place.

Local Synagogue or Temple Records might be available or they might have been
sent someplace for storage. Check YIVO, HUC, JTS or AJHS or YU to see about
these. (All at the Center for Jewish History) (JTS is separate)

The City Clerk of the community probably will have records and there may be
copies at the County Center and or at the State Archives.

If you have the opportunity to make a visit this might be much more
profitable than just calling or e-mailing but always call in advance anyway
to ensure that the records are available.

If you have done all of these without success let me know and I might think
up something else.

Joseph Fibel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen What to do if there are no census records nor City DIrectories. #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Genners,

After posting my note about City Directories, I received an inquiry >from a
well known Jewish researcher asking what resources might be available if the
researcher could not find a census record or if no City Directory was yet
available.

So I made a list of these:

The first is that for the 2000 Summer Seminar, Hal Bookbinder and Joan
Rimmon made up a list of over 800 Community Jewish History Books, arranged
by State and Community. This listing was transferred over to the IAJGS and
is now available on line at the IAJGS site-www.iajgs.org. On their home page,
click on Resources, and North American Community Books and then the state.

Hal and Joan have added several books to the original list. You can search
for the books in State and large Public and College libraries and they might
be available on inter-library loan and almost always available at the
Library of Congress (LOC)

Another suggestion is to call the local public library and ask the reference
librarian for help. Most communities have a community historian to keep such
information. Ask the librarian for his name. Also ask for the name of the
local historical society and sent them the inquiry. If there is a local
Jewish Genealogical Society, send them the inquiry. Maybe a local
researcher will have an answer. The addresses of all of the JGS's are at
the IAJGS site given above.

If the person had an occupation for which he had to have a license, locate
these lists and send a request
If there was a local newspaper, they probably have a morgue arranged
alphabetically and they might search it for you or the local Public Library
might keep the newspaper morgue. If the kids were of school age there might
be records at the local B. of Ed or these records might be removed to some
storage place.

Local Synagogue or Temple Records might be available or they might have been
sent someplace for storage. Check YIVO, HUC, JTS or AJHS or YU to see about
these. (All at the Center for Jewish History) (JTS is separate)

The City Clerk of the community probably will have records and there may be
copies at the County Center and or at the State Archives.

If you have the opportunity to make a visit this might be much more
profitable than just calling or e-mailing but always call in advance anyway
to ensure that the records are available.

If you have done all of these without success let me know and I might think
up something else.

Joseph Fibel


Re: the name Christof -- Correction #general

Mark Halpern
 

Well, my unscientific experiment with the JRI-Poland database was very
flawed as most people (but me) know that given name starting with CHRIS
in many countries would be KRYS or KRZYS or KRIS in Polish.

Running those through the JRI-Poland database results in 45 hits -- 21
for Krystyna, 5 for Krysia, and fewer for Krysa, Krysla, Krysia, Kryse,
Krysta, Krissel, Krissa, Krystain, Krystyian, and Krzysztof.

Sorry for my temporary brain cramp.

Mark Halpern


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: the name Christof -- Correction #general

Mark Halpern
 

Well, my unscientific experiment with the JRI-Poland database was very
flawed as most people (but me) know that given name starting with CHRIS
in many countries would be KRYS or KRZYS or KRIS in Polish.

Running those through the JRI-Poland database results in 45 hits -- 21
for Krystyna, 5 for Krysia, and fewer for Krysa, Krysla, Krysia, Kryse,
Krysta, Krissel, Krissa, Krystain, Krystyian, and Krzysztof.

Sorry for my temporary brain cramp.

Mark Halpern


Re: the name Christof #general

Mark Halpern
 

The Jewish Records Indexing - Poland database of Jewish records of
Poland and that part of Ukraine that was previously part of Galicia
encompasses over 2.7 million entries -- all with given names. The
database contains mostly records >from 1826 through 1905. Searching the
database for a Given Name starting with CHRIS... and the result is
astounding.

There is only one index entry with a given name starting with Chris.

1891 death in Warsaw of Christian KELTER.

Repeating the search for Given Names starting with CRIS results in no
matches.

Not a very scientific study, but gives you an idea that before 1905,
these "Christian" derived names were not popular with Jews in an area
where the Jewish population was great.

Another good use of the fantastic (I am biased) JRI-Poland database.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Volunteer

----- Original Message -----
Out of curiosity, I checked the JGS-Montreal's database of over
70,000 birth, marriage and death records >from 1842-1942. Other than
obvious conversions or similar reasons, there are no Christians or
Christines. There are several Dolores' and 30 Natalies, indicating to
me that people did not really consider these as Christian-derived
names (and that Dolores was not nearly as popular as Natalie!).

In stark contrast, Mary, which today is often thought of as a
non-Jewish name, shows up over 700 times - as many as Leah and almost
as many as Ruth.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: the name Christof #general

Mark Halpern
 

The Jewish Records Indexing - Poland database of Jewish records of
Poland and that part of Ukraine that was previously part of Galicia
encompasses over 2.7 million entries -- all with given names. The
database contains mostly records >from 1826 through 1905. Searching the
database for a Given Name starting with CHRIS... and the result is
astounding.

There is only one index entry with a given name starting with Chris.

1891 death in Warsaw of Christian KELTER.

Repeating the search for Given Names starting with CRIS results in no
matches.

Not a very scientific study, but gives you an idea that before 1905,
these "Christian" derived names were not popular with Jews in an area
where the Jewish population was great.

Another good use of the fantastic (I am biased) JRI-Poland database.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Volunteer

----- Original Message -----
Out of curiosity, I checked the JGS-Montreal's database of over
70,000 birth, marriage and death records >from 1842-1942. Other than
obvious conversions or similar reasons, there are no Christians or
Christines. There are several Dolores' and 30 Natalies, indicating to
me that people did not really consider these as Christian-derived
names (and that Dolores was not nearly as popular as Natalie!).

In stark contrast, Mary, which today is often thought of as a
non-Jewish name, shows up over 700 times - as many as Leah and almost
as many as Ruth.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada


seemingly Christian given names #general

jutel@...
 

There are many reasons that a Jewish person might have a
Christian given name or might do a range of seemingly
un-Jewish things, despite being Jewish. In my own family,
the recent immigrant parents of my great grandmother, on one
side, and my grand mother on the other, died young. The
children improvised their up-bringing to a certain extent in
both of these families, and on one side, legally changed the
spelling of both first and last names. It's quite curious:
why would one want to change >from Dora Drozdowitz to Dorothy
Drosdowitz? It seems such a small change...

But on the other side, they took a firm departure from
Judaism, and whilst no-one married non-Jews, they practised
new religions (Christian Science), and for two generations,
no one on that branch knew anything about being Jewish, or
about Jewish practices, despite being 100% of Jewish
extraction. My own given name (of course I was born in the
50s, not the 1880s) is the most popular Catholic given name
in the world - my mother liked it - and my son's middle name
is Christian (named for a mentor of mine who died the week
of his birth).

The contemporary example of mine and my son's given names is
probably not pertinent, but the fact is I am 100% Jewish,
but my family lost much of the understanding and cultural
practices in the early 20th century in the New World.
Interestingly, we still married Jews, and knew we were
Jewish, but didn't do things the way it might have been
expectged of us.

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, New Zealand


Subject: re: the name Christof
From: Celia Male <celiamale@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 12

I have screened the 153,000 Jewish burials in Vienna and
can confirm that there are no *Christof* but there is a
single *Christian*:

TIREL Christian aged 54 died 03.12.1999

and a few Christines:

FRUCHTER Christine aged 84 died 11.12.1989
KREISLER Christine aged 33 died ab 7.05.1885
LANDSTEIN Christine aged 56 died 06.02.1931
PREIS Christine aged 41 died abt 18.12.1927
REINER Christin aged 76 died 21.01.1972
SONNENFELD Christine aged 59 died 03.06.1942
SPAT [umlaut] Christine aged 90 died 23.10.1991
SPITZER Christine aged ? died abt 29.07.1893
WEIL Christine aged 53 died abt 23.04.1928

Hence the use of the name Christine in Vienna was already
used in the late 1800s. As for *Christian* - he is a
"one-off"!
=a0
There is always the possibility that these were Christian
girls who had married Jewish husbands. Christian's origins
too needs further investigation. It is interesting and
probably significant to note that he was born in 1945.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seemingly Christian given names #general

jutel@...
 

There are many reasons that a Jewish person might have a
Christian given name or might do a range of seemingly
un-Jewish things, despite being Jewish. In my own family,
the recent immigrant parents of my great grandmother, on one
side, and my grand mother on the other, died young. The
children improvised their up-bringing to a certain extent in
both of these families, and on one side, legally changed the
spelling of both first and last names. It's quite curious:
why would one want to change >from Dora Drozdowitz to Dorothy
Drosdowitz? It seems such a small change...

But on the other side, they took a firm departure from
Judaism, and whilst no-one married non-Jews, they practised
new religions (Christian Science), and for two generations,
no one on that branch knew anything about being Jewish, or
about Jewish practices, despite being 100% of Jewish
extraction. My own given name (of course I was born in the
50s, not the 1880s) is the most popular Catholic given name
in the world - my mother liked it - and my son's middle name
is Christian (named for a mentor of mine who died the week
of his birth).

The contemporary example of mine and my son's given names is
probably not pertinent, but the fact is I am 100% Jewish,
but my family lost much of the understanding and cultural
practices in the early 20th century in the New World.
Interestingly, we still married Jews, and knew we were
Jewish, but didn't do things the way it might have been
expectged of us.

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, New Zealand


Subject: re: the name Christof
From: Celia Male <celiamale@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 12

I have screened the 153,000 Jewish burials in Vienna and
can confirm that there are no *Christof* but there is a
single *Christian*:

TIREL Christian aged 54 died 03.12.1999

and a few Christines:

FRUCHTER Christine aged 84 died 11.12.1989
KREISLER Christine aged 33 died ab 7.05.1885
LANDSTEIN Christine aged 56 died 06.02.1931
PREIS Christine aged 41 died abt 18.12.1927
REINER Christin aged 76 died 21.01.1972
SONNENFELD Christine aged 59 died 03.06.1942
SPAT [umlaut] Christine aged 90 died 23.10.1991
SPITZER Christine aged ? died abt 29.07.1893
WEIL Christine aged 53 died abt 23.04.1928

Hence the use of the name Christine in Vienna was already
used in the late 1800s. As for *Christian* - he is a
"one-off"!
=a0
There is always the possibility that these were Christian
girls who had married Jewish husbands. Christian's origins
too needs further investigation. It is interesting and
probably significant to note that he was born in 1945.


Seeking Advice on NYC Bd. of Health Death Record #general

Carol Raspler
 

Dear Cousins:
A cemetery's reference or index card for a deceased in 1952 shows only an
address and beneath it, a NYC Board of Health number as: #000 (zeros are mine).
Can someone advise the best way to secure information about that #?????
Remember: 1952.
Thanks much, Carol Raspler, Delray Beach, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Advice on NYC Bd. of Health Death Record #general

Carol Raspler
 

Dear Cousins:
A cemetery's reference or index card for a deceased in 1952 shows only an
address and beneath it, a NYC Board of Health number as: #000 (zeros are mine).
Can someone advise the best way to secure information about that #?????
Remember: 1952.
Thanks much, Carol Raspler, Delray Beach, FL


Hungarian directory at NYPL #general

Harvey Finberg <hjfinberg@...>
 

The New York Public Library catalog shows a copy of "Kamarai Kozlony;
a budapesti Kereskedelmi es iparkamara hivtalos lapja" published in
the 1930's. Has anyone used this book and could give me a precis of
the contents? Does any Jewishgenner or H-Sigger know if it list
merchants and bankers in Budapest?

It is kept offsite and must be requested in advance so I would like
to know ahead of the IAJGS conference.

I do not subscribe to the H-Sig list so cannot cross post. My
interests lie in the Austria-Czech SIG with a very occasional
meander into Budapest.
Vera Finberg
Fairfax, VA

Kohner - Vseruby, Czech Republic/ Budapest
Thieben - Rousinov, Czech Republic/Bucsu Hungary/Budapest


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hungarian directory at NYPL #general

Harvey Finberg <hjfinberg@...>
 

The New York Public Library catalog shows a copy of "Kamarai Kozlony;
a budapesti Kereskedelmi es iparkamara hivtalos lapja" published in
the 1930's. Has anyone used this book and could give me a precis of
the contents? Does any Jewishgenner or H-Sigger know if it list
merchants and bankers in Budapest?

It is kept offsite and must be requested in advance so I would like
to know ahead of the IAJGS conference.

I do not subscribe to the H-Sig list so cannot cross post. My
interests lie in the Austria-Czech SIG with a very occasional
meander into Budapest.
Vera Finberg
Fairfax, VA

Kohner - Vseruby, Czech Republic/ Budapest
Thieben - Rousinov, Czech Republic/Bucsu Hungary/Budapest


Married woman traveling under maiden name MATLIN? #general

lubarsky <lubarsky@...>
 

After a lot of unproductive searching it occurred to me that my
grandmother might have been traveling under her maiden name.
I finally found Rosche Matlin arriving Sept 15 1902 on the Kroonland,
departing >from Antwerp, right next to Moische Matlin (her brother) who
arrived Sept 2 1902 on the Freisland out of Antwerp.

Did they try to book passage together and were separated? Why would she
be traveling under he maiden name since she married my grandfather earlier
that year in Bobruisk?

Bill Lubarsky

Searching: LUBARSKY, MATLIN, KRELLBERG, KASTENOWITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Married woman traveling under maiden name MATLIN? #general

lubarsky <lubarsky@...>
 

After a lot of unproductive searching it occurred to me that my
grandmother might have been traveling under her maiden name.
I finally found Rosche Matlin arriving Sept 15 1902 on the Kroonland,
departing >from Antwerp, right next to Moische Matlin (her brother) who
arrived Sept 2 1902 on the Freisland out of Antwerp.

Did they try to book passage together and were separated? Why would she
be traveling under he maiden name since she married my grandfather earlier
that year in Bobruisk?

Bill Lubarsky

Searching: LUBARSKY, MATLIN, KRELLBERG, KASTENOWITZ